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I'm Tired

Broncos fans, a lot of things surrounding the Broncos in the past few years have just flat worn me out. I'm a die-hard fan of the Orange & Blue. However, that does not leave me immune to tiresome feelings regarding certain aspects of my team. Join after the jump to find out what I'm tired of.

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1. I'm tired of Broncos "fans" demonizing Pat Bowlen. I don't understand it, I don't agree with it, and frankly, it's just flat-out wrong. Pat Bowlen has been one of the best owners in all of sports over the past 25 years, and that hasn't changed. It hasn't changed since he was voted as #1 by ESPN a few years back. Let me see if I can set the record straight: PAT BOWLEN HAS NOT CHANGED ONE BIT! He burns to win, and he's willing to support his team in whatever way that he feels is necessary to do so. The beauty of it, though, is that he doesn't cross the line that Al Davis, Jerry Jones, and Dan Snyder are so often on the wrong side of. He lets the football people be football people, and he handles his own side of things. Pat Bowlen has been great for this community, and he will continue to be such. Give the man the respect that he deserves.

2. I'm tired of fans pining for Mike Shanahan. I love Shanahan as much as the next guy. I will always be a fan of his, and I will always be grateful to him, as we all should be, for what he brought to this city. He's gone, though, and he ain't comin' back, as Rockies broadcaster Jeff Kingery would say. It was not a mistake to fire him.

3. I'm tired of "fans" boldly predicting that the Broncos don't have a chance to win more than 4 games this season. You know what? They may not win more than 4 games this season. I know this, though - come week 17, whether the team is 15-0 or 0-15, I'll still be watching. I hope that those of you that don't like Josh McDaniels will understand that it is still OK to hope for good things from this team. Like it or not, he's here. Why not have a little optimism? It's never quite as bad as it seems, that I can promise you. If McDaniels flames out after a couple of years, then guess what - we'll get a new coach. Personally, I hope that Mr. Bowlen never has to hire another coach, because that would mean that we have the best guy in the business right here in Denver, and we are having sustained success. Love the changes or hate them, it's still OK to be a fan of the team. If you have a legitimate reason for predicting 4-12, then I have no problems with your prediction. "Jay Cutler...", "McIdiot...", and "Pat Bowlen is Al Davis..." are not legitimate reasons.

4. I'm tired of the offseason.

5. Finally, I'm tired of supporting and trying to defend players that don't appreciate the support or are simply in-defensible. That was my biggest beef with the Shanahan years since the turn of the millenium. We have been force-fed Dale Carter, Daryl Gardener, Maurice Clarett, Ashley Lelie, Travis Henry, Jay Cutler, and Brandon Marshall, and we've all defended them to the hilt. The first five speak for themselves. Cutler, though I don't believe that he's quite the villain that he's made out to be, turned out to be a villain. We all defended him against Chargers fans that came up with every insult in the book, and we all turned out to be wrong. Frankly, I don't appreciate that. Marshall, whom I have been a big supporter of, saying that he's gotten an undeserved bad rap, is once again making me look bad, and he's making a liar out of himself. I'm through trying to explain and defend the Broncos players that have problems because, you know what? I don't have to.

I will always be a Broncos fan, but from here on out, I simply refuse to support a guy that doesn't appreciate it or deserve it. As far as I'm concerned, Brandon Marshall can go, and I could not possibly care less whether or not we get so much as five used Oakland Raiders practice jerseys for him. If he wants to change, then I'll support him, but until then, I won't. I don't have to. I love Jay Cutler the football player, but the way that he did the fans here, especially when he went to Chicago and said that the "fans in Chicago are more knowledgeable", ended all of my support for him. Kyle Orton may only be 1/100 the quarterback that Jay Cutler is, but Orton is happy to be here and excited to be a Bronco. If he gives his all to this team and this community, then he is 100X the QB that Cutler is in my mind because he is easy and fun to support. I would much rather support a team that goes 0-16, but is full of high character players than to suppport a team with characters like what the Dallas Cowboys have. I'm tired, and I need some rest.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Always a few irritations around..

 when we’re facing the long wait until the battles begin. Especially this year, when there’s so much unknown to anticipate. Fortunately the people on this site aren’t as blatantly, poisonously negative as on the other blogs.

I’ve always thought that Bowlen was the best owner in the league.

And the worst Bronco ever, in my book? Eddie Kennison. Signs as a free agent, plays a couple of games, turns negative, tells Shanny he’s retiring and gets his release, and the next week signs up with Kansas City. That was the year McCaffrey went down in the first game, too, so Rod Smith had to carry the whole load.

"Remember, it's only a game."

by robswenson on Jul 28, 2009 3:38 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, please don't remind me of Kennison

I’ve spent a lot of painful years trying to forget about him.

"Speak softly and carry a big (hockey) stick." - Theodore Roosevelt

by wtnelson on Jul 28, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not the best owner in the NFL

Bowlen is quite possibly the best owner in professional sports, at least in the US. I’m not too aware of international owners. He certainly ranks, IMHO, and I don’t even live in Denver!

by BroncosBassist on Jul 29, 2009 5:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post, rec'd

Let’s just move forward.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Jul 28, 2009 4:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, moving forward is the name of the game!

…but if the Chargers do win the AFC West, and if Cutler does take the Bears to the superbowl… (a nightmare to most Bronco fans….) There is still one thing we can hope for: The Dolts to go all the way and shut out Chicago in the big game so Rivers can rub it in his stuck-up, spoiled face! Maybe Cutler can be the next big quarterback to make it to the superbowl and never win.

However, when we DO make it there, I WANT the Bears to be there (not that I don’t like them, the Bears are one of my favorite NFC teams to watch…. anyways back to my sentence) I hope WE get to shut them out!

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The Dolts

I would much rather be able to continue to point out to SD fans the fact that they are the worst franchise in the AFC West whenever they start running their mouths, then to see Rivers beat Cutler in a Super Bowl.

Super Bowl Championships, AFC West:
Raiders – 3
Broncos – 2
Chiefs – 1
Chargers – 0

The Dolts are the worst franchise in the Division in the only stat that counts. I’d rather that continue than to see Cutler get defeated in the SB by Rivers.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Jul 30, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moving forward to look backwards,

first of all, I believe Pat Bowlen involved himself so deep with Shanahan that he felt obligated to keep him on board, even through the years we as fans could see how wrong he was. For whatever reason it was, friendship, pals to the end, or what ever, I believe Pat knows he made a mistake to let him have so much control.

I don’t pine for Shanahan, in fact I was calling for his head 3 years ago when he and Jake Plummer had their squabble and Cutler was brought into the game. Anybody with any reasonable sense would have went with Jake the whole season and then maybe, just maybe Cutler would have won the job in the ’07 training camp. That to me was the greatest mistake Shanahan made.

It’s been an interesting off season to say the least, and I too am ready for some football. It will happen, just like everything else in life, just can’t wait to see how these “changes” will work out.

last but not least, McDaniels IMHO will not put up with pitty party players. He has said that players will be smart, tough, versitile, and have a team first attitude or else they will be looking for the door. I myself have a lot of optimism, and not because I fell off the turnup truck yesterday, but because as I view the changes that have been made, I see moves that are well thought out in a little amount of time, and the move are very good IMO. Very good, all of them, including that guy you mentioned whoes playing somewhere in Illinois. Great stuff. wt rec’d

by bfree2bronc on Jul 28, 2009 8:35 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

+infinity bfree

And 13-3 Baby!

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jul 28, 2009 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tired of the past and excited for the future!!

Great points wt! Mr. Bowlen wants to win its just that simple. As a life long fan of the Broncos, I appreciate that. He’s made a couple of mistakes on the way, but he’s also helped to bring two championships to Denver. Shanny helped also I’d I’ll always appreciate him for that, but IMHO he had lost the desire. IMO he lost it in 06’ when D Will and Nash died. His decisions after that were very questionable (ie Cutler over Plummer). I love the team first attitude brought in by McDaniels! I’m ready to be the underdog again. The 2009 Broncos are going to surprise the fans, the NFL, and the MSM. Their going to be a complete team. Win or lose we’re headed in the right direction!
Go Broncos!!!!

by sbsbroncofan on Jul 28, 2009 8:55 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm Crazy......

for feeling Orange…..and….Blue.
100% agreement WillieT. A fan no matter what.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Jul 28, 2009 9:09 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a fan!

Loved the post!
I really #%@#ing hate all the espn analysts we have in this town. Everybody I’ve heard on the radio is a clone of some douchebag on tv. Just because some moron on tv thinks he should be a coach or an owner doesn’t make his point valid. Here is the truth, here is all we know … NOBODY CAN PREDICT HOW THE BRONCOS WILL DO THIS YEAR! But I know I will be cheering my ass off for them to win and it’s good to know I’ve got the MHR family with me :-)

by South Stands on Jul 28, 2009 11:23 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

reagarding point #1

I like to recall what McD said when asked (by Woody Paige I believe) about what it was like to work with Bowlen, whether it was high stress, or whetehr Bowlen was never around.

McD said that Bowlen came by his office everyday and asked him “What can I do to help us win today?”

That is an eloquent demonstration of that line that you mentioned, that is drawn in the dust, which no Owner should ever pass over. Delegate wisely and be there if they need you.

Let us not forget how strong the relationships are that Bowlen seems to fore. Shanny was a good thing for the Denver Broncos, and the strongest symbol of that fact is his friendship with Pat Bowlen.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 29, 2009 12:53 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I had not heard that...

that Bowlen would go by his office and say that. That is being a great owner!

All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.

by orangeblood on Jul 29, 2009 7:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kudos

I agree with every point you have made. I personally try to be objective when things unfold among players, coaches and management. I realized one detail though, not being a resident of Colorado I lack that one attribute of community. Sure I’m a fellow bronco fan but the residents, the community if you will, its by far more insulting when a player manages to make comments regarding the fan base.

I apologize to the fanbase for my shortsightedness.

By the way, 0-16 is NOT in our future. I won’t get into predicting anything because the number one challenge we have is not whether or not Marshall plays, its how soon we can get both Moreno in Ayers involved in their careers. Both men stand to make a difference and start entrenching their legacy in bronco lore!

Say hello to my fast...

by dcrespo7 on Jul 29, 2009 6:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

No doubt!

So excited, 3 weeks from now is our first preseason game!!!

Say hello to my fast...

by dcrespo7 on Jul 30, 2009 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post WTN and I am feeling ya my man...Rec'd.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jul 29, 2009 6:30 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Let the season begin.

Can’t wait for the preseason games to begin so that we can start really evaluating what kind of team we have. I have hopes for a good record, but really I just want the team to play hard to the final whistle and not feel embarrassed by them anymore (see our losses to KC, Oak and SD last year)

by solace on Jul 29, 2009 7:42 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

#3

To me, the behavior of a huge portion of Bronco Nation is the only enduring disappointment of this offseason. I really thought Denver fans were more reasonable, loyal, and knowledgable.

Throw a little adversity at the collective group— I guess— and it goes bonkers and all hateful. I don’t really get it, and I no longer feel connected to that community as a whole. In fact, its sort of embarrassing.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer

by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 29, 2009 7:53 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that it has more to due with the fact that open forums

have proven to be the embarrassment. It is not just Broncos fans, but anyone commenting on any story, behind a veil of anonymity, that spurs hateful and sometimes hurtful comments, and typically at anothers expense. Daily there are commercials for CBS4 and 9news, among the others, advising people to refrain from hate filled commentary, and to report those that are blatantly so.

As for the Broncos, this site has proven to be a safe haven for open and insightful discussion. Anyone that is willing to judge Broncos fans by the comments left in the latest Dave Krieger article in the Denver Post online, is judging a book by its cover. There is no depth to those comments, the likes of which are evident on this site anyway.

Therefore, I am not embarrassed by fans that can support an opinion since it shows a passion for the team. Now what is embarrassing is when a player denounces fans as unintelligent when those fans have stood by him for three disappointing seasons of unreached potential. Be embarrassed for players that reject a fan base that has stuck up for, and with them, even after dragging an organization as classy as the Broncos through the mud by their actions on and off the field.

Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon

Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw

by Choochoobonewagon on Jul 29, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

we would like to think most of humanity has those qualities, but we get shown time and time again that most are not

by gOOn on Jul 29, 2009 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seems like the easiest way to get a rec these days...

Is to badmouth Shanahan or Cutler. That’s what I’m tired of. I’m not pining for them, but I’m not interested in reading daily rants against them, either – that’s no better than reading daily rants against McDaniels when he hasn’t gotten to show us anything yet.

by Gorbal on Jul 29, 2009 9:15 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that was the theme here at all Gorbal;
  1. Fans demonizing Owner Pat Bowlen.
  1. Fans pining for Mike Shanahan
  1. Fans boldly predicting the Broncos winning only 4 games.
  1. He’s tied of the off season.
  1. He’s tired of supporting and trying to defend players that don’t appreciate the support or are simply in-defensible.

As you and I can see, these 5 points he brought up are an oppinion of how he feels aboout his (our) beloved team. I don’t see much in the way of ‘badmouthing’ but rather illustrating a point that the msm other anybody else has failed to do over the past few years. Is Shanahan deserving of being ‘badmouthed’? I don’t know. All I know is that he seemed displaced at times on the sidelines in critical situations. Maybe his heart wasn’t into it any more. After the 2 Super Bowl wins his draft/FA signings have been suspicious to say the least, if he was getting bad info from scouts and his cronies (coaches) that’s one thing, but Shanahan ultimately ‘ran’ the team. So, there are no excuses for him. I wish him luck in whatever endeavors he does. Jay will have success in Chicago if he choses to, or he may turn out to be another Jeff George, that drama will have to unfold on down the road and we’ll watch and see what happens there. There is no need to ‘badmouth’ anyone, for I am sure we have all made mistakes one time or another in our lives.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 29, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That wasn't my intention at all

I can see how you would take it that way, but that wasn’t my intention. On the first Shanahan point, I was merely meaning to convey the fact that I’m excited to see what the Jedi can do and that I’m tired of hearing the endless complaining that Mike Shanahan should be back. It wasn’t meant as an indictment of Shanahan in any way.

On the last point, I was trying to say that I’m tired of supporting low-character players. Cutler and Marshall are the most recent examples of guys that have abused my support, and I’m done trying to support and defend guys that don’t appreciate it. The examples of poor signings during the last decade of Mike Shanahan’s tenure were other examples of that.

"Speak softly and carry a big (hockey) stick." - Theodore Roosevelt

by wtnelson on Jul 29, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I’m guilty of reading too quickly and not thoroughly enough – you actually said that you were grateful to Shanahan for what he did and didn’t make another mindless post acting as if he never gave this town anything.

Reread the whole thing more slowly and you make some good points (and the tone is different than what I had gotten when I skimmed it).

by Gorbal on Jul 29, 2009 12:51 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

nice job, Gorb...

a lot of posters won’t apologize if they’ve made a mistake by firing off a response that was, in hindsight, a little too hasty. You showed class on this one.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Jul 29, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a problem

Thanks for coming back.

"Speak softly and carry a big (hockey) stick." - Theodore Roosevelt

by wtnelson on Jul 29, 2009 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loved the post.

I saw all the recs and figured it was something worth reading and boy was I right. You explained yourself very well and was thorough.

BRONCO FAN 4 LIFE…..24/7/365.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

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2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Jul 29, 2009 6:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly

Every word. You crawling around inside my head??? Creepy!!!! ; )

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith giving the Kennison rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Jul 29, 2009 7:10 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Jerry Jones may seem odd at times and makes questionable decisions, but he doesn’t cross any line. He owns the team so he can stand anywhere he likes. Some people like him, some people don’t but he paid up nicely for that new stadium.

Needagoodtime!

by Loveforjoy! on Jul 29, 2009 11:06 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Definitely not alone Nelson

Rec’d for sure – it gets EXTREMELY old to keep hearing ‘fans’ bash their own team – one of the MOST annoying things, is when these ‘fans’ go to the actual Broncos website (DB.com) and proceed to naysay on that sites’ blogs…. Especially to the degree that some do…… It’s like paying money to go watch a game/concert/show that you’re only going to boo at…. wtf?

The best we can do is continue to CHOOSE to make our attitude(s) as positive as possible in any given circumstances (of course, not to the point of being blind to negatives) – because that is the one thing we always have control over, at least I always have, not that I’ve always controlled/steered it appropriately at all times, but it seems that some people don’t realize they possess that control. Anyway, ranting a bit there – thanks again – definitely a relatable post

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 30, 2009 8:47 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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