A few links on you-know-who...
Ok, guys, as most of you know, I'm a Cutler apologist. However, as you hopefully also know, I'm not blinded by my Cutlerism and I do recognize his flaws as well as his contributions in the firestorm that got him shipped out of Denver and traded to the Bears. I'm a realist and I understand the reasons why he is no longer a Denver Bronco. I also recognize that there really isn't much of a reason to post these links aside from the fact that there are a few good tidbits of insight from our star CB into his state of mind regarding this offseason.
However, I do feel that with as much flak Cutler gets on this site these days, it's only fair to our former QB to get a little bit of positive pub every once and awhile. So, here are two fairly recent links:
Champ Bailey on the Waddle and Silvy Show (Chicago Talk Radio)
Cutler not interested in endorsements yet
The first link is interesting in that many of us (including me) were reading into Champ's initial comments regarding the Cutler trade as Bailey not viewing Cutler very favorably. If this interview is any indication, that was not accurate assessment. The second link is hopefully ... well, I guess for Bears' fans ... an indication that he is indeed maturing off the field and will show improvements on the field as a result. From a former fan's perspective, I think the accounts of what he has been doing off the field and his comments regarding focusing on football are highly classy and professional.
Yes yes, I know what you are going to say: "Tunga, you need to move on"... I've said the same thing myself several times in comments for other posts!! But as a self-proclaimed Cutler apologist, I just couldn't let these positive stories of Cutler not get posted, when all the negative ones do...
Anyways, for what its worth and for those few remaining Cutler fans out there, enjoy the links! =)
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I think you're to be applauded
for standing up in support of a player you believe in.
Personally, I’ve been pretty indifferent regarding Mr. Cutler. I wasn’t a supporter, neither was I a detractor. He always struck me as someone with a lot of unrealized potential. When McDaniels came on board, Jay struck as someone who wasn’t going to be a good fit for the new culture. So, I wish him all the best in Chicago.
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
by BShrout on Jul 7, 2009 8:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
why thank you!
And for me personally, I would’ve thought Cutler + McD would have been a marriage made in heaven! McD could’ve taught him the skills lacking for him to truly become into a franchise QB and helped him mature as a professional. But alas… it was not to be…
by tunga77 on Jul 7, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
cutler was never as bad
as his detrectors would have your believe, nor as good as his apologists would say. He is a developing quarterback with a ton of physical ability, but one who has yet to consistently play up to his ability. But in hindsight I don’t think he and McD would ever have been a match. McD seems to want a game manager, someone who plays within himself, executes his assignments and trusts in the system. I believe cutler wants to be a gunslinger in the mold of Favre. At best he and McD would have had an uneasy truce ala Reeves/Elway.
In the end the trade was probably best for both teams.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jul 7, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
These statements keep getting shorter and sweeter
+1
There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.
by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 7, 2009 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to Champs comments
He said that he’s a really good QB, top ten, and a good leader, but he mentioned nothing about his character, which I think is what he was referring to in that video on the Broncos site. I think most of us would agree with that, though I’m not so sure about the leadership part. Yelling at your WR’s and sulking on the field is not what I would want from a leader, but maybe he was really good in the locker room.
As our QB he made me excited and pissed in equal amounts. One great throw followed by a stupid pick. I hope the same thing happens in Chicago this year and that they finish poorly so that we get a good pick next year, and after that I’m done with him. I kind of look at him as Favre Jr. That’s not a good thing. :)
by solace on Jul 7, 2009 10:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
"Yelling at your WR’s and sulking on the field is not what I would want from a leader, "
Maybe not, but it happens. I saw a video a year or so ago where Peyton Manning went to the sidelines after the Colts failed to get a first down. He sat by himself, fuming. After a bit he got up and stormed down the bench to where his O linemen were. He stood there screaming at them, so hard you could see a blob of spittle fly out of his mouth (it landed on his jersey). After a couple seconds of that, one of the O linemen stood up and pointed forcefully in the other direction (telling Manning to go sit down). Manning stormed away. This from a top QB with ten years or so in the league. So, let’s don’t be so hard on Cutler for yelling at a WR now and then.
The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.
Chuang - Tzu
by bradley on Jul 7, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always found that to be one of Peyton's biggest flaws actually
Do you remember the time he threw his kicker under the bus, or the time he threw a hissy fit at the end of the AFC Championship. I just don’t buy the idea that if the best QB playing does something wrong, then suddenly that makes it right. I don’t want to see any of my players acting like spoiled children on the field, not my hall of fame QB and not my 3rd string long snapper.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Jul 7, 2009 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying I'm one of them...
But some circles would compare this kind of behavior to a field general demanding the most and the best out of his troops and holding everyone accountable for their jobs. I remember Elway once saying that he would jump on OLinement for false starts. And then he sheepishly said that they certainly would jump on him when he himself made stupid mistakes.
In my mind as long as the QB isn’t unnecessarily berating a WR or linemen incessantly, but rather trying to rally them, shouting is ok in my books.
by tunga77 on Jul 7, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A note on QB irritation
Years ago, Parcells was coaching the Giants and Phil Simms. Parcells loved to play head games, but he made some good points. One day in practice he was berating the O line, which was often getting beaten and letting Simms get sacked. Then he turned his ire on Simms and told him – very publicly – that he was schmoozing with his O line too much, not holding them to a high enough standard and letting this crap (edited for a family site) continue. Simms later realized that Parcells was right.
It’s a tough game played by very tough people. I echo SWG’s assessment of Cutler – physically, A, but emotionally, C- – and yet I can’t agree that yelling at your teammates is bad. It’s part of his job description, and sitting alone is just his style. Should he be studying more photos? Probably, yes. But in general, he’s just doing his job. The issues will play out in whether he can mature in his decision-making on the field, which is where he has some growing up to do.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 7, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler not bad
I think most on this sight if they were the coach of a team and had to choosebetween Cutler and Orton all things being equl would choose Cutler. So would McD that is why he got Moreno, Smith and 1/2 of Quinn (agree with you bear) as well as Orton. I believe that is why the Cassel deal didn’t go down because Denver wasn’t getting just compensation.
The thing that people are trying to bring out is the dropoff is not as big as MSM try to make it.
I also believe that Cutler will be a better QB for going through this than he would have if he stayed in Denver.
by 3nS on Jul 7, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK,
I’ll back up with my previous statement. If I had a coworker acting like I described above I might go looking for a better job, but I don’t work in football.
I was too critical in my judgement of Cutler’s on field yelling. That doesn’t change my opinion of him in general though, I still think he is an arrogant jack a$$. But that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be on his teammates when they drop the ball so to speak.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Jul 7, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I correct in assessing ...
that the source of our displeasure with Cutler “yelling at WRs” came about primarily in the SD game when he was caught on camera dropping the F-bomb on Eddie Royal for a dropped pass?
I’m guessing this, b/c I myself was pretty steamed at Cutler for doing that. And I remember the reason I was so unhappy with Cutler was because Eddie was one of the few bright spots in that game and had such an amazing rookie season, that I felt it was unjustified.
However, looking back on it, I can totally understand that perhaps Cutler was more than just a little frustrated by the complete and utter arse whooping Phyllis and his Merry Men put on us and that he took it out on Eddie. I think if you asked Eddie now, he’d have no problem with the instance and would chalk it up to the heat of the moment.
Beyond this particular instance, do we know that he dropped F-bombs on all his receivers and linemen whenever they screwed up? I don’t think so… unless some of you have insider knowledge that I haven’t seen yet. I do remember him being very fiery on the field many times, but how do we know he wasn’t shouting words of encouragement and trying to rally the troops?
As for the Favre comparison… it is an apt comparison. Likewise, I remember too many times where I’d be screaming at the TV for Cutler to take care of the ball before the snap only to see him throw a RZ pick. But as I have said elsewhere, if a good coach can teach him this type of patience, ball security, and game management, then… man, isn’t he going to be something special? Sure, this might never happen, but I just thought he was worth the risk to take…
by tunga77 on Jul 7, 2009 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The F bomb thing
I remember a play early last season where Jay laid the ball right in the hands of Nate Jackson. Perfect play – Jackson was right where he was supposed to be (at the sideline), the ball was right where it was supposed to be, Jackson’s hands were right there. But he didn’t catch it. Jay ran at him screaming (if I lip read correctly) “catch the f*****g ball!!”
But I also remember a lot of times when a receiver didn’t catch a catchable ball and Jay just accepted it and went on to the next play. IMO, he gets too much grief for his occasional yelling incidents since he bombed out on the Broncos.
The sage is full of anxiety and indecision in undertaking anything, and so he is always successful.
Chuang - Tzu
by bradley on Jul 7, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's the only single instance I can remember
But it was just his demeanor on field that I didn’t like. I remember during another game he jumped up and down the announcer said something like if you’re looking for an example of how a 4 year old might throw a tantrum, you’ve found it right there. I remember being very offended at the announcer and pissed that he would make that comparison. I suspect, though, that it really was the truth, which is why it hit me so hard. He’s a Bronco. He’s our star QB. There’s no way he’s acting a like a four year old on the field.
He also seemed to lose his confidence as the game went on. I think I can remember him trotting on to the field after losing the lead, several times, with his head down. I want a guy who will inspire his guys with the confidence that they are going to score again.
Of course, having said that, I also remember after we won the first game against SD, Marshall said that Cutler did exactly that. He said before we got the ball back that they were going to go down the field and score to win the game. So maybe I’m reading too much into the way he held himself on the field. It’s possible he was like, Man, I can take these guys down the field and score again, but what’s the point if our defense will just give those points back? That’s human nature and totally understandable and I’m pretty sure I thought that at home watching on the couch. Of course a really inspiring leader should quickly dispell those thoughts and focus only on the positive. I’m not a really inspiring leader, so I’m not sure if that is true or not. :)
I totally agree that he can be something special, if he learns humilty and patience. Like Elway did. I just hope it’s not this year, and that Chicago falls flat and we get a good pick out of them. He can be an all star again in 2010. :)
In some ways, because of his possible upside, I wish he were still here, but I believe that we, as a team, are in a better spot without him. I’ll continue to believe that at least until after we’ve lost our first 7 games (god I hope not)
by solace on Jul 7, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Champ has too much class
He is not going to blister Jay. I think his comments are more indifferent than anything else. Jay is gone and it is time to move on. Watched an interview Jay did recently. He sure seems to be arrogant. When someone is like that, i usually hope they get flamed.
Each week that brings us closer to the ultimate prize,
by Punkin Head on Jul 7, 2009 10:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish him well.
I would have thought I’d be a co-apologist with you a few months ago. As I’ve calmed down on the issue, I realize much of my animosity towards Cutler is rooted in the complete revision of him both locally and nationally. Thats not his fault. Yet I also don’t feel like I can believe anything that rolls out of his mouth anymore. He was shamelessly untruthful on many occassion during all the drama.
One observation: I’m not sure he’s giving up much in edorsements. Maybe some local stuff. But from a marketing perspective, he’s a lot like Mark Rypien. He’s got a little more personality, but most of it is negative. Rypien had no personality at all. Niether guy should be dreaming of the GQ cover anytime soon. I think he’s putting a calculated spin on things, and those statements are intended for the obvious purpose of rebuilding his tattered reputation. It doesn’t help his cause that shortly after PFT reported on this evidence of maturity with him, they basically retracted that opinion of him when he fired a guy AFTER the guy moved his operation to Chicago for him (did the crap work), and then did it via a text message.
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer
by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 7, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Besides...
…who needs endorsements when you already have over $20 million of Pat Bowlen’s dollars in your bank account— over half of it flat out stolen?
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer
by PredominantlyOrange on Jul 7, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a huge surprise
That Champ chose not to trash cutler to a Chicago radio station. I noticed that they did try to get him to trash McDaniels with the “Did you question some of the tactics of Josh McDaniels?” question. Nothing really to see here, IMO- pretty standard stuff.
My take on the situation is that, for whatever reason, cutler got bent out of shape and complained his way out of town. I just don’t see that as any sort of leadership, and don’t want that guy as the leader of my team. Of course, that’s just my opinion.
After reading “A Few Seconds of Panic” over the weekend, I’m very glad we’re moving past the old regime.
by AllBroncsallday on Jul 7, 2009 10:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Champ was just being professional.... That's all!
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
by Hogblog on Jul 7, 2009 1:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Professional and Honest
I think Champ said what he believes, I don’t think he had a bad experience with Jay. But, the Broncos pay him to play so he’s not going to talk down the coach. I think now that Champ has had time to let all this sink in he’s really okay with everything and wants to focus on football not hyperbole.
by bchiper on Jul 7, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, nice to see the other side
I get rather tired of all the Jay bashing that goes on, when I see that Champ had no issues with him and respected him, it makes me sad to see a player of his caliber move out of Denver. I will just have to cross my fingers and hope that things work out on the Broncos side.
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by Broncoman on Jul 7, 2009 2:04 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, thanks for posting this...
I really appreciate having a diversity of views represented here.
I find myself pulling for Jay to struggle, not so much because I wish him ill, but because his success will reflect poorly on my team. McD is my coach, ergo I want history to vindicate him and Bowlen in the great Bronco schism of 2009…
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by Broncs Cheer on Jul 7, 2009 2:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler!!
I posted on here the day that Cutler was traded that it was one of the saddest and disappointing moments for me as a die-hard Bronco fan and I still feel that way. Trading Cutler would have been like trading Elway after the 1985 season which was Elway’s third season and we know that the 1st of Elway’s 5 Super Bowls started in 1986. People were saying Elway was immature, a punk, spoiled, etc., early in his career and Culter’s detractor’s are saying the same things about him. All I can say is that I feel like we traded a future Hall of Fame quarterback and the closest thing we will ever have to Elway to the Bears in Culter and I will definitely be watching Bears games when the Broncos aren’t playing. I hope I am wrong but I think McDaniels will be fired after two bad seasons because he messed up a great offense and our defense will still be bad this season although it has to improve some. I hope McDaniels wins at least 2 SuperBowls like Shanahan did but I think he and Xanders are in way over their heads and it all started when they upset Cutler. But it all goes back to one thing with me. Why didn’t Bowlen make sure McDaniels wanted Cutler when he interviewed him for the job? And if Bowlen did ask him that question did McDaniels lie about how he really felt about Cutler just to get the Broncos job? Man, I wish I access to McDaniels interview with Bowlen. Also, Culter said that the public will probably never know the whole story so I wonder what the whole story is. It will be interesting to compare Cutler’s career in Chicago with McDaniels career in Denver as time goes on. I think Cutler will be a Bear for the next 10 or 12 years so the question is how long or short McDaniels careeer in Denver lasts? I am looking forward to this season like I do every year but I am still disgusted that Culter is a Bear now and not a Bronco.
by broncorob on Jul 7, 2009 9:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Blame Bus Cook
This was all orchestrated to get a big money contract that he wasn’t going to get in Denver with the new regime. Follow the money.
by Ponderosa on Jul 7, 2009 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler will not be in Chicago that long.
After a couple years, he going to want a big dollar deal and when Angelo doesn’t pony it up, he’ll cry his way out of Chicago too.
Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.
by Joe Medina on Jul 8, 2009 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money
wasn’t the issue as far as I can tell. Cutler hasn’t redone his contract with the Bears and Bowlen would have been glad to have given Cutler a new contract in another year or two. Cutler got mad at McDaniels for trying to trade him and Culter simply didn’t want to play for him after that although it probably isn’t as black and white as that but Culter didn’t leave because he wanted a new contract.
by broncorob on Jul 7, 2009 10:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler gets bashed here
because he rejected “our” team. If he was still with the Broncs, we would all be hoping he would mature into a great decision maker and allow his talent to grow with understanding of the NFL game instead of forcing it on the field.
But he’s not with our team any more, and he and his agent forced their way out of town.
For that, he doesn’t receive patience or the benefit of the doubt around here any longer.
For that, you will see more “negative” posts here about Jay than you will “the other side.”
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
Just click your heels together three times and say, "There's no player like Hillis... there's no player like Hillis."
by BroncTastic on Jul 7, 2009 11:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The word in Chicago
Is that Cutler’s contract will be redone before training camp is out, and perhaps before it starts. Yes, Cutler’s behavior was part and parcel of the strategy of Bus Cook to create more money. It worked, too. He had talked trade before any issues with Cassel (and those were vaporous) even arose. I don’t want to seem tough on this, but believing that this wasn’t in great part about money is likely inaccurate. cutler was also angry with Bowlen and McD because Bates wasn’t going to be retained. That’s just not his call, nor should it be.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 8, 2009 1:37 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I also
saw on ESPN Insider where Culter will probably get his contract redone to lower his $12 million cap hit for 2012 after i made my post above but even if he gets a new contract I don’t think he wanted out of Denver over money. Bowlen would have paid him what a fracshise quarterback deserves. I still think it had more to do with McDaniels, Bates leaving, and some other factors that Culter said would probably never be revealed publicly.
by broncorob on Jul 8, 2009 10:35 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My point of view...
As I stated in FanPost, I just feel like Cutler gets villified for every little mistake he makes now and sometimes I feel it goes a bit overboard. Hence, I wanted to provide a bit of positive pub.
As BroncTastic pointed out, this is obviously in part due to the nature of how he left us, ala a messy divorce, and if he were still here you would not see much, if any, of the negative posts. But where I am coming from is that there are some of us who do not feel that he (or even he + Bus Cook) were the sole reasons for the trade. For me at least, and without ever knowing the entire story as a fan, I feel that I cannot lay blame solely on one party or another, but that there is probably equal parts blame to go around for everyone involved. No one was a saint in this situation and no one was entirely to blame. Anyways, people make mistakes. We can forgive the Bronco management for botching their side of things. Shouldn’t we also be able to forgive Cutler for his actions as well? =P
As BroncsCheer said, the cool thing that we see on this site is the amazing plethora and variety of thoughts and opinions surrounding all subjects Broncos. Although we are in the minority nowadays, there are still some of us who are Cutler fans, despite his faults. I am one of them and I chose to post some articles that show him in a more positive light. No worries if you hate his guts. That’s your perspective on things. This is mine. Thanks for reading!
by tunga77 on Jul 8, 2009 11:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You are right Tunga
without ever knowing the entire story as a fan, I feel that I cannot lay blame solely on one party or another, but that there is probably equal parts blame to go around for everyone involved.
It takes two to Tango.
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by KaptainKirk on Jul 8, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Jay gone?
I think McDaniels has little to do with it and Bowlen has a lot to do with it. Here’s my evidence.
In this DP article of Jan 3rd it talks about Jays phoning the Broncos organization and wanting a say in the HC and Bates job.
Cutler wants say.
Bowlen seems to be deferring to Jay, which is a mistake. Pat never does consult with Jay and Pat makes the hire based on his own judgment.
In this article in SI, it states that Jay’s subbing of Pat is why Pat put Cutler on the trading block. (McDaniels was saying at the time that he wanted to work it out.)
How the trade went down
Summary: Jay felt snubbed by Pat; Jay snubbed him back. Pat said, trade him.
Jay forgot that he was an employee. Also interesting, I found comments on the DP article stating that Jay needed to keep his mouth shut, because he’s starting to sound like Jeff George. All this is almost 3 months before McDaniels considered trading Cutler, BTW.
by MichaelCushman on Jul 8, 2009 4:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a very
interesting Jim Rome clip on youtube where Rome interviews Jay the week leading up to this year’s Super Bowl and Jay talks about how he really likes McDaniels and is looking forward to running his offense so I still think it had more to do with Cutler being mad about the trade rumors and McDaniels saying anybody could be traded. I don’t know how to post a link to the Rome clip but it is easy to find for those of you who want to watch it. It amazes me how in this interview everything was sunshine and roses and then just a few weeks later it got real ugly. I think the main reason Jay didn’t return Bowlen’s messages is that he new that was the best way to get traded and he was right. I don’t agree with what Jay did but I don’t think he had anything against Bowlen but he knew if he didn’t respond to Bowlen it was his ticket out of town.
by broncorob on Jul 8, 2009 7:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Jay has a credibillity issue
Hard to fully believe anything Jay says. He denied getting Bowlen’s phone calls, but backed down, without admitting anything when Bowlen offered to show the call records.
As soon as he’s traded he says, he didn’t want to be traded and loves Denver, then less that 24 hours later he is in Chicago saying it’s a dream come true.
His agent is famous for not calling owners back as well, perhaps that’s where he picked up the bad habit? Then there’s the agent’s vested interest. Bus Cook was not his original agent, so he works for Jay for free until Jay signs a new contract. Big surprise that Chicago is going to give him a new contract? Not really. Hard to know who are the puppets and who are the puppeteers.
In my opinion, Jay started the whole thing by acting like management and not a player. He didn’t like the Shanahan firing and was loyal to a fault to the outgoing coaching staff. At some point, you are going to get smacked down if you don’t stay in your role and keep questioning the owner’s decisions. There are going to be hurt feelings and bruised egos.
Anyway, there’s no rewind in life. Hopefully all the individuals and organizations involved learned and benefited from the experience.
by MichaelCushman on Jul 9, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who believes the stories
Needs to read styg’s article. It covers this in an even, rational, detailed fashion.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 9, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Orton protecting ball?
Someone said somewhere Orton will protect ball better. I just want to bring out 1 little fact fumbles- fumbles lost. Jay had 5 fumbles 2 fumbles lost. Orton had 6 fumbles 5 fumbles lost. OL has a lot to do with that but Orton will fumble the ball.
by 3nS on Jul 9, 2009 2:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to get in a Cutler-Orton debate at all, but...
Career fumbles:
Jay Cutler – 24
2006 – 8; 2007 – 11; 2008 – 5
Played 37 games, at 0.65 fumbles a game.
Kyle Orton – 20
2005 – 12; 2007 – 2; 2008 – 6
Played 33 games, at 0.61 fumbles a game.
Also, are you including the “incomplete pass” against SD?
"Who speaks for Charlie?"
by Tempestuous Binary on Jul 9, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are talking INTs
You’re right, too – the more a QB gets hit, the more often he tends to fumble. If you add hurries and knockdowns to Orton’s 27 sacks, it was a tough year on him. Jay had it much easier – might not next year. No one can really say much about the Chicago line – an older LT, an untested RT, a guard who couldn’t start in Carlina. They might surprise – either way.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Jul 9, 2009 3:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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