When you make silly assumptions like the ones in your last rant, you prove out your ignorance.

I don’t know if The Coach is a liar. He certainly is slippery and comes from a dishonest organization that had to forfeit a 1st round pick for their dishonesty and cheating. There is no theory behind what the Pats did. The Coach’s roll in that mess is certainly unknown, but you can bet you a** he knew the Pats were cheating and it was not him that stood up the Bilicheat to end such nonsense. In fact, by taping defensive signals, the offense was the primary beneficiary of the cheating. An offense that The Coach had a roll in as a QB coach and then O-coordinator.

So it makes ME a sucker because I’m not quite convinced that The Coach is a choir boy.

McGeorge: true ignorance is thinking that McDaniels initiated it all. He surely thought about it (probably before the call), but I have seen nothing that indicates Denver initiated those talks and tons and tons that say he listened to an offer that came from someone else (Tampa Bay most likely).

I do agree with you though that McDaniels is no choir boy. He certainly seemed to do quite well offensively with an organization that cheated to his benefit. That is bad right ther.

Cutler was the chump who wanted out. McDaniels was the coach who had the sack to realize we don’t need that chump on our team.

Do you guys just cover your eyes when you see facts. Try to follow the REAL order of events here. It was reported that Mike Vrabel had been traded to KC on Friday night, the day before Cassel was dealt.

The Coach said when talking about the Cutler vs Cassel trade, “we arrived too late to that dance”. He was referring to when Denver became involved in trade discussions on Saturday (most likely via another team like Tampa Bay). However, the Pats had already agreed to deal Vrabel in the Cassel package the night before. Denver simply got in the game too late to trade Cutler for Cassel (two way / three way / picks /players / etc.)

If you think it went down another way, you’re not following the facts of the Vrabel trade announcement the night before. Denver didn’t shoot down the Cutler for Cassel. New England shot it down because they had already agreed to deal Cassel and Vrabel to KC the night before. I’m certain New England would have taken a 1st round pick from Denver or Tampa or Detroit for Cassel rather than KC’s #2. But they had already struck their deal with KC.

True douche-ness is putting words in someone else’s month (i.e. The Coach initiated the trade or Cutler is a choir boy). I didn’t say either of those things.

The idea that The Coach turned down a Cutler for Cassel swap is held by those that don’t know the 1st thing about what happened.

The Pats were not in a position to entertain a trade involving Cutler and Cassel because New England had already deal Vrabel and Cassel to KC the night before Denver ever got involved. This has been well documented (by the likes of Peter King, a The Coach supporter) so I have no idea where you guys get this nonsense your so sure of and yet so wrong about.

I would say you’re typical The Coach sheep that spouts off the company line, but since The Coach said himself “we arrived too late to that dance” in reference to a deal with Cassel, not even The Coach could support your thesis.

You guys cry your eyes out when someone calls out The Coach, but several of you openly bash or turn a blind eye to those that label Shanahan, Cutler or Marshall "pussy, cry baby, traitor, etc". It’s clear most of you have picked a side as well.

No kidding I don’t trust The Coach. The guy is dead set in his ways even though he has NEVER COACHED one game at any level. Some call it conviction, but I call it youthful arrogance. I don’t like him at all. That should be beyond obvious. I don’t blame Jay for wanting to get away from a coach he felt would be a detriment to his career. Now I also believe Jay will live to regret this decision. In Chicago, there is not an Eddie Royal or BM to throw to and no Clady or Harris to keep the DE’s off his back. The Bears have been a good team for the last several years because of a great defense, but that unit is getting old and their best years (Urlacher, Briggs, Vasher, Harris, Tillman, Brown) are in the rearview mirror.

Too bad Bronco fans are divided like this, but come November or December, we’ll all probably be on the same page again. Hopefully I’ll be climbing on the McDaniels band wagon. But I’m pretty certain it will be me offering you all a hand to safety as that bandwagon goes flying off a cliff. I won’t be the least bit surprised if The Coach is an offensive coordinator at some Big Ten school by 2011.

Gerard Warren 2005 pre contract extension = best player on Denver’s roster.

Gerard Warren 2006 post contract extension = 4th best DT on the roster.

As we’ve seen all too often, it honestly can be their last. In one way or another it could be their last. I don’t disagree with your assertion that players will often fall of their intensive wagon when signing a big deal. However, Orton is in a situation that he recognizes as his one shot to really get paid.

He’s coming into his 5th year if I understand it right, and bagging a multi-year contract right now is exactly what he needs and wants. Kyle Orton hasn’t showed anyone that he desires to play for another team after this year. I think he genuinely wants to be in Denver because of his available talent on the offense. No one can deny our balls out talent on the offense. When you have an offense like that, any quarterback can flourish (Ben Roethlisberger ‘05 anyone?) Kyle Orton not only has a good oppurtunity in Denver, he’s got the job that bunches of other QB’s would give up their left leg for.

You have valid points McG, and I hope you don’t tell me that I’m ignorant too.