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2009 Denver Broncos Training Camp -- 8/1 Update - Hits and hitting keep on coming for Broncos

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The Broncos had just one practice scheduled for today, but as has been the case through 3 workouts so far, Josh McDaniels made the most of the nearly 3 hours he had his team on the field.  On a day when the temperature seemed much hotter than the 80 degrees being reported, the Broncos were once again in full pads and once again spent time physically getting to know one another.

Of course, the big news of the day, and there seemed to be a lot of it, was the return of Champ Bailey, Renaldo Hill and Marcus Thomas from the PUP list.  At the time, the made every Bronco present and accounted for, except for the two rookies, of course.  That all ended, both during the workout - Nic Clemons being carted off with an apparent left leg injury - and after when news broke that Jarvis Moss was taking some time to decide his future in football.

As for the work on the field, it is becoming increasingly obvious that Josh McDaniels' football team is going to pay attention to detail, focusing on the little things.

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As such, I spent a lot of time watching the D-Line group go through their drills. I told myself I would pay attention until someone stood out to me.  Finally, someone did, though my excitement is rather tempered.

Rulon Davis, signed as an undrafted free agent out of California, has shown speed for a man his size (6-5, 283) and has some power and explosion, at least on the sled.

You can also see the talent buried in the 6-2, 329-pound body of Chris Baker.  Baker is small, but has a lot of speed and power in that 'tiny' package.  He definitely rough around the edges, but I am interested to see what NFL coaching can do for him.

One thing for sure, the Broncos are coaching Ronald Fields hard.  Fields is an important piece of the puzzle this season and they need him to play as well as he ever has is the defensive transition is going to be a smooth one.

The main focus of the individual work with D-line centered around "locking out", a term used to describe extending ones arms fully away from your body to keep an offensive lineman from getting his hands on you.  Marcus Thomas and Fields struggled at times with it.  Kenny Peterson, however, seems to be playing solid football.  Perhaps Peterson will be a late bloomer under the watch of his former high school teammate.

As I mentioned earlier, Nic Clemons was carted off the field during the workout and walked gingerly into the locker room.  McDaniels wouldn't elaborate on his condition, saying he hoped it wasn't too serious.

Here are some other random thoughts from the practice....

Milehighreport_small_medium With Champ Bailey and Renaldo Hill back in the fold, the first team defense was complete for the first time.  Here is how I saw them, at least during some drills today -

DE - Ryan McBean
DT - Ronald Fields
DE - Kenny Peterson

OLB - Darrell Reid(for Moss)
ILB - Andra Davis
ILB - D.J. Williams
OLB - Elvis Dumervil

CB - Champ Bailey
FS - Brian Dawkins
SS - Renaldo Hill
CB - Andre Goodman

Nickel - Jack Williams

It did seem Dawkins and Hill would switch positions at times, and again, this early in camp, you can take these lineups with a grain of salt.

Milehighreport_small_mediumPerhaps the funnest part of the day was another old-time high school drill.  Some one-on-one hitting drills, which included tackling to the ground.  DB's took on WR's while RBs and LBs went at it.  I was on the side with the WR's and DB's.  One solid encounter was between Brandon Marshall and Josh Barrett.  It brought a loud reaction from the crowd as both men engaged.

Milehighreport_small_mediumOne scary moment involved Tim Crowder, who went helmet-to-helmet with Peyton Hillis.  Bad idea.  Crowder laid on the ground for a couple minutes before rising to his feet.  He return to action.

Milehighreport_small_mediumHave I mentioned how awesome Brian Dawkins is??  I have spoken about his leadership, but I can't say enough.  He is constantly talking to the younger guys, and is a perfect complement to Champ in the defensive backfield.  Overall, he is a huge ball of intensity, and his energy can't help but rub off on his teammates.

Milehighreport_small_mediumSpeaking of the DBs, this might be the most talented group the Broncos have had in some time.  Andre Goodman has really impressed me.  He had an interception today as well as several pass deflections.  As a whole, I really like this group.

Milehighreport_small_mediumAnother example of how the Broncos are focusing on the little things - at two different points, the Broncos were forced to run laps because of mistakes.  First, it was Tom Brandstater and Blake Schlueter who ran the 'Lap of Shame' for a fumbled snap.  Then, it was the entire 2nd-team defense, a coach included, for not having enough players in the huddle.  I love it!

Milehighreport_small_mediumRyan Torain looked good again, which is worth mentioning since it was coming off of two hard workouts yesterday.  Coming back from a serious injury like the one Torain had, it is important to see how he will respond on back-to-back days.

Milehighreport_small_mediumThe practice ended with some field goals, which it appeared to me had Matt Prater hit 6/8.  All were from various distances. 

That is all, more to come later.  For those who were in attendance, give your thoughts as well.

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Thanks for the report Guru!

It is sure nice to have a clear and concise report on the happenings today… and your thoughts too. Thanks for keeping this Montana Boy in the loop!

by RevrendBronco on Aug 1, 2009 6:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

hope nic is alright

sad about jarvis, didnt think he would make the team, but still hope he figures everything out.

Also if we lose nic for sometime how about bringing in vonnie holiday or kevin carter? vets who know how to play the 3-4.

but love the mistakes philosophy MCD brings. I think we are going to have a fundamentally sound team this year.

by Skotty on Aug 1, 2009 6:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

chris baker and rulon davis

really think we got some steals there. baker has the body type to be a NT and can play end. And davis is a tough 3-4 end whos marine which gotta have respect for. Cant wait to see these guys on the field!

by Skotty on Aug 1, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The drills

that we went through in bootcamp had a ton more misery attatched to them than what he’s seeing in the NFL. I won’t say he’s going to be a top performer just yet; but there shouldn’t be much about the NFL that can really scare the heart out of him. The guy is going to fight to the death.

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Aug 1, 2009 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to hear the secondary is solid. As a South Florida resident, I got to see Goodman play quite a bit the past few years. The Dolphins didn’t want to lose him and their draft strategy proves that out. He is a nice player, much better than the 2008 version of Bly. I’m not excited about Hill, but we have Barrett and some high draft picks so no worries. I’m not going to miss Manuel, Lowry and Bly making a mockery of the Bronco jersey.

I’m not hopeful for Fields, whom wasn’t exactly backing up a bunch of great D-linemen in San Fran. Fields is what he is, a career backup. I’ve heard Powell doesn’t look so good either. Hopefully Thomas, Peterson, McBean and Davis can solidify the DE spots until the 2010 draft. Use Chicago’s 1st rounder on an NT. Maybe Baker surprises, but it sounds like he is a few years away.

My boy Prater went 6/8.. 75%, okay I suppose. I’m taking the short position on Matt, we’re going to have a new kicker come mid November.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 1, 2009 7:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I understand

he’s not lights out or anything yet, McGeorge, but man… I like the fact he can nail the 50+ yarders. Of course… that is when he actually DOES nail them!

Hopefully, he will prove to be consistent and his big leg will remain, but I hear your concern.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Aug 1, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the second practice

Powell hasn’t seen contact football in quite some time, and Baker is a rookie.

Fields will do fine. I’m interested in hearing about Pedescleaux. He’s a physical freak, from what i understand. I’d love it if we were able to bring him, Davis, Baker, and Robinson along as back-ups or practice squad guys. They all sound coachable, and they all have skills that will translate well in a 3-4.

by JeffG on Aug 1, 2009 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

McGeorge

I wouldn’t be too worried. Bruton is performing at Safety well (from my take today). I don’t think its a long shot to see him start at some point in the year; possibly earlier than many might expect. The guy is pretty balanced all around, with the talent of the coaching staff and other players around him, it really isn’t possible for him to be horrible. Only injury or incapacity to learn will keep him from being a dependable starter. – IMO

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Aug 1, 2009 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you see Hillis bulldoze Crowder?

Holy cow! I just watched video of it on the CDS4 news. It was one on one drills, like was mentioned above, and Hillis absolutely blew Crowder up.

Wow… Hillis is going to make some noise this year if this keeps up. How do you give ANYBODY ELSE the ball near the goal line?

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Aug 1, 2009 7:20 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

CDS4 = CBS4

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Aug 1, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got a link to that vid?

I love watching Hillis bring the “whole funk”!

by RevrendBronco on Aug 1, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe

it is up now on DenverBroncos.com.

I saw the video on the tv sports report.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Aug 2, 2009 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cant describe it to you guys.

I was practically front row for it. All I can say is Hillis is a BAMF.

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Aug 1, 2009 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Guru

I keep checking my computer to watch for your post after practice!

Your efforts are much appreciated!

Go Broncos!

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Aug 1, 2009 7:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes it drives me nuts

that a lot of people do not believe in MOSS. The truth of the matter is when he came out of college he should have went to a 3-4 team. He is not a 4-3 end. He also had 3 different DC his first three years. He finally has a defensive coaching staff that can help him reach his potential because he has a ton of it. If you have not seen any flashes when he actually played then you are just nuts. The kid is a perfect fit for a 3-4 OLB. He is easily the fastest and most fluid of the DL moving to OLB. I hope he changes his mind and comes back strong to prove all the doubters wrong.

Good to hear Rulon and Baker are playing well, I also believe they will be steals. Thanks Guru for all your great coverage

by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 1, 2009 7:22 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

When I heard Moss did only 17 reps on the 225 and the NFL combine, I realized the kid is not dedicated to weight room (Ayres only did 18, but that is another story). When I watched him play for Denver, I didn’t see any dedication to the game.

Moss is gifted, but not driven. I don’t think he has what it takes (upstairs and in his heart) to be an NFL player.

Maybe Crowder can flash.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 1, 2009 7:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

so what is the

difference between Moss doing 17 and Ayers 18. That is a horrible argument and comparison. I agree Moss is super talented and it seems like the lacks the drive to reach his potential. That may be because there is really have been no veteran to take Moss under his wing to help him develop. The guy was put in a bad situation the minute Shanny drafted him. He got put in the wrong system, with horrible defensive coaches. He also came to a team that lacked veteran leadership on the defensive line, well really the whole defense lacked veteran leadership. I fell for the guy.

by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 1, 2009 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most of that applies to D.J. Williams as well....

but you don’t hear him contemplating retirement or see ANY lack of desire or heart. Don’t get me wrong, I like Moss and I’m not judging him for that; it’s his life and if he doesn’t want to play football, that’s absolutely fine. But from a football perspective, yes, he may have had a few bad breaks, but I think McGeorge’s point (the one regarding Moss’ drive and heart, not the combine reps….don’t really care about that part) is still right on. And if you don’t have the heart and drive, I don’t care how much talent you have, or good or bad situations you’re put in, or how much mentoring you get, you will not succeed in the NFL…..plain and simple.

Again, I’m not summarily dismissing the facts of your comment or the fact that Moss has every right to decide his own future, but the excuses for why he hasn’t lived up to his potential (no veteran mentoring to help him or being a bad situation) are just that….excuses. D.J. Williams has gone through all of that and then some (he’s actually played a different position almost every year on top of the limited veteran mentoring and being in the same bad situation as Moss), but he works his tail off and has given 110% every year no matter what. I don’t think anyone can say the same for Moss. I will say Moss has never been a complainer and by all accounts seems like a good team guy, but his apparent lack of heart and desire for the game right now (regardless of the reasons) is fairly apparent. I feel for him as a person and I’m glad that he’s figuring this out now and not in the middle of the season; I respect that. But from a football standpoint, if he doesn’t want be here or play football, then it’s best to move on now.

"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)

by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 1, 2009 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well saying DJ went through the same exact thing is

not completely correct. He had veteran leadership in Al Wilson and Ian Gold. The had guys there that were good players that could give him pointers. I am not trying to compare Moss to other players on the team. I just think people around he jump on his back way too quick. And DJ is an awesome player but he also got outplayed by a undrafted rookie last year in woodyard but shanny put him back in because he was a vet.

by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 2, 2009 2:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I agree that he does not want to be there then the team has to move on. That is an obvious fact. He either needs to retire or come back with the right mindset.

by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 2, 2009 2:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look....

you can defend, rationalize and make all the excuses for Moss you want. The point is he was a 1st round draft pick, was paid millions of guaranteed dollars to do a job and has never (from day one) seemed all that into it. And let’s keep some perspective… this IS a job. I’ve been hired to do jobs for companies and people in my life that were less than ideal or perfect. Jobs that had less than ideal situations, no one mentoring me, and I wasn’t prepaid a guaranteed amount of money to do it. And I still took it upon myself to give my all and do the best that I could.

Injuries aside (something every NFL player deals with), Moss has to shoulder much of the responsibility for his less than stellar results and the perceived lack of dedication and heart (which I personally don’t think is merely a perception). We can quibble the finer points of combine reps, the comparisons to D.J. Williams’ situation, being in a bad situation because of coaching and the team’s defensive style, not having mentors, and on and on and on…. At the end of the day, Moss has been given millions of dollars, asked to perform a job, had NFL caliber coaching (even if it was low-caliber coaching by NFL standards, it’s still relevant) and I don’t think it’s unreasonable for Broncos fans to expect more from him…..even if that “more” is just in the form of more dedication, enthusiasm and heart and not so much results. Lets be honest, if this were a real world job, he’d have been fired (with little to no guaranteed pay) long ago.

So, as I said, while I feel for him as a person and hope he finds what will make him happy, Broncos and football fans have every right to “jump on his back”….at least a little bit. Granted, much of that can get blown out of proportion (that’s just the way emotional fans can be), but the underlying reasons are still not unjustified.

Still, as I said, I do respect him for not just sitting back and collecting a paycheck for as long as he can. I’m sure he’s fully aware of the implications a decision to leave football would have, both on himself and his teammates. And I’m glad that he has the wherewithal and decency to question his career path now when it’s much easier for the team to recover rather than at a later date. For that, I’m grateful and wish him the best.

"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)

by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 2, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moss caught no breaks, but didn’t create any for himself either. About 50% of 1st round picks don’t pan out.

DJ, Cutler and Clady are all very good NFL players so 3 of our last 4 still ain’t bad.

You start adding in Lelie, Middlebrooks and Foster and then things get ugly.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 1, 2009 8:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Then again: add in Al Wilson, Pryce, Nash and Mobley and Denver is around that 50% number again (with no Top 10 picks mind you).

If Moss is a bust (likely), it fits into the stat breakdown of 1st round busts across the NFL. 1st round busts happen all the time.

It’s no slam dunk Moreno or Ayres both turn into decent players, which is one of my huge complaints with the Cutler trade. We traded away a bona-fide NFL QB for a bunch of maybe draft picks.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 1, 2009 8:08 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

bona fide quarterback perhaps..

but a guy that was determined to get on the first bus out of town regardless. Why have a QB that hates to be here? Put a hypothetical into place here:

We got 2 minutes left, down by 6 in the 4th quarter and we need to go 95 yards to score. We NEED this win to make the playoffs. Do you rely on the quarterback that doesn’t want to be there to get it done? Or would you rather have a guy that wants to be a part of this team calling the plays?

My money is on the idea that if Jay Cutler were our QB in that situation, he’d probably fail on purpose because he wants out.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 1, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inside of 2 minutes and 95 to go

I would rather have Orton leading that drive. He’s flat out better than Cutler in that situation. First you show you can win on a consistent basis and excel when the pressure is really on, then you’re a “bona fide” NFL QB.

by rocko1 on Aug 1, 2009 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, I don't want to say Cutler couldn't handle that pressure.

I think he could do it, I just think that ANY quarterback that didn’t want to be where they are just wouldn’t give it all on the drive…

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 1, 2009 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your point

it was the insinuation by McFly that Orton wasn’t a “bona fide NFL QB” that raised my blood pressure. nothing at you.

by rocko1 on Aug 1, 2009 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does everything come back to that trade?

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Aug 1, 2009 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

Great job on this. Love all the details.

This is the degree of coverage that the Denver Post should be providing. Fantastic work!!

But who will guard the guards themselves?

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 1, 2009 9:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Should

be providing…

But never will.

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Aug 1, 2009 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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