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Surveying the Defense


Much of the MSM’s attitude towards the Broncos was infected during the Cutlergate issue so there’s been monkey pile of proffered opinions that contain little serious analysis. We can lump much of this in the Group Think pile, and ignore it — for the most part.

There are some kernels of truth, or logic, contained therein, so I wanted to address what has merit.

[note: this originally appeared as comment to another post but is reposted in near-verbatim here]


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BASELINE ANALYSIS

The standard line of thinkings goes: we were terrible and added little so we’re still terrible. Added to this is the adjunct: scheme changes depress performance so we’re going to suffer even more on top of this.

There’s a sort of “logical arithmetic” that underlies this analysis; you simply add the negatives and expect a poor defensive performance. What’s not readily apparent is that this is an invalid form of reasoning.

For instance — we’re replacing many of the players who were deemed to be part of the problem, but the MSM’s ‘received wisdom’ (MSM’s RW hereafter) regards this as a negative! In fact, the baseline performance level that they’re using is based on these ‘problem players’ and the depressing effects of adding new players and changing the scheme are considered further negatives, which could potentially depress performance even more!

Let me go further — in regards to the scheme change; viewing the switch to a 3-4 as a negative creates a logical conundrum. The implication is that keeping Slowik’s ‘non-scheme scheme’ would have been preferable. Moreover, since the baseline for our performance is arbitrarily set at the end of the Shanahan/Slowik era, the defensive changes we made BEFORE last season aren’t considered as part of the problem, but rather, they’re considered in the positive. Any scheme changes we make this year are being added to the baseline established last year, which is itself considered a proxy for our talent level on defense. Another way of looking at the situation — however — is that removing a negative (i.e., Slowik’s scheme) is like adding a positive. In other words, getting rid of Slowik’s scheme eliminates a depressing influence on our team’s defensive performance, one that LED to that historically bad defensive performance. We actually would have been better on defense without the ill-considered Slowik scheme and the rag tag group of veteran castoffs we’d accumulated.

REGRESSION TO THE MEAN

Defensive units often respond quickly to ‘positive’ changes so the turn-around from bad to good (or at least decent) can be quick. Mired in the statistical analysis (or inextricably intertwined) is the fact that bad things happen for a reason. Dysfunctional teams tend repeat their mistakes, as coaches are hired and fired and schemes are changed, all of which is disruptive and fails to adequately address the problem — typically.

The myriad organizational problems that dysfunctional organizations suffer from accompany (statistically) the scheme changes and personnel changes that appear in data. Therefore, much of quantitative analysis done on scheme change, etc., is a record of what bad teams do, and these ‘bad’ examples are lumped in with the more rare ‘good’ examples, because they’re categorized together since they share a common trait. Yes, indeed, most rebuilding efforts are unsuccessful, because the category of “rebuilding teams” is dominated by teams that failed and thus needed to be rebuilt.

SEEING THROUGH THE LENS OF TEAM BUILDING

It’s often better to see the rebuilding process in the same way as one would look at any other type of organization. Rather than focus on the ‘bottom line’ that’s an end-product, look instead to all the little things. Dysfunctional organizations aren’t produced overnight, moreover, organizational problems often breed other problems, so the many ‘culture changing’ little steps that are introduced by a new management may appear insignificant initially but they usually contribute to the bottom line eventually.

The point is to NOT worry about the bottom line of wins/losses but instead focus on process. Wins & losses are what is produced after you do everything else that goes into playing football.

The MSM’s RW is that — once again! — changing the Bronco’s culture, and certain aspects of the offense, too, was a big mistake. There’s an "if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!’ maxim being employed here, and there’s also considerable resistance in the fan-base to change. But just look at what the MSM’s RW is saying here. What they’re saying is that there weren’t any problems with team’s culture and organization so you shouldn’t fix anything. Actually, Shanahan was a marvelous game coach and a poor general manager. Many of us here believe that THAT WAS the problem! All one has to do is look at the How the Broncos were Built section of the media guide to see — quite graphically — how bad we were at team building. Here’s who we have left from before 2006 — Ben Hamilton and D. J. Williams. You can also include Champ Bailey, since he was acquired in a trade for Clinton Portis, but THREE players is not a successful team building effort.

RE-EVALUATING

Much of what we’ve come to believe represents a distorted picture of the Broncos. This is even more true when it comes to the MSM’s RW. I, too, believed many of the things I’ve mentioned, such as keeping things the same, but I didn’t cling to those beliefs after I had the chance to analyze the new staff’s moves. What’s apparent about much of the MSM’s RW is how little thought went into it. And this isn’t surprising considering how few credible print journalists there are nowadays and the media’s tendency to use conflict to draw interest.

Approximately one year ago today, I commented in a post here at MHR about the Broncos’ failure to successfully engage in a team building effort. What may not have been apparent to many people is how that failure at team building would eventually translate into on-the-field results. The strange thing at this point is that much of the recent success (a half full glass terminological phrasing) is due to the fact that our draft drought has ended and we’ve been acquiring talent over the course of the last 3 years. We’ve acquired enormous amounts of talent recently and this is part of the story behind why we’ve been so good/bad. The MSM’s usual narrative is that our talent level is the problem, and so the solution MUST BE the infusion of more talent. Failing to add a generous portion of (usually young) talent is likened to completely misunderstanding the team building process.

However, I would say that it’s the MSM that’s missed the boat here. Team building is first and foremost a careful process. You don’t engage in a willy nilly process of collecting whatever talent is available and throw them together and then hope that somehow a team is formed, yet most of the MSM’s RW explicitly says that we should do exactly that. Furthermore, there’s a limit to how much young talent you can bring in, since many young players of an equal talent/experiential level don’t equate to a single competent veteran. Again, the MSM’s RW is that the high number of merely competent (but high character) veterans we brought in were an insufficient solution — thus missing the point. As I pointed out earlier, we DON’T HAVE ANY VETERANS! Not unless you’re speaking of Champ, DJ and Hamilton, or any of the other vets acquired in recent times, so acquiring high character, low cost vets was the only good solution to the problem. We could have overspent on a single player, such as Haynesworth, but we added to a greater number of positions instead.

Even though I could go on (and on) I want to wrap this up. Much of the negative coverage of the Bronco’s recent team building efforts has been the result of a failure to understand what wasn’t being done in terms of team building and thus misses the nature of our problems. We’re both younger and more talented than the MSM recognizes, and the veteran talent we shed in the offseason was part of the problem. It’s not that all of them were terrible. The problem was that there was no plan behind their acquisition, and many of them were also “street veterans” who collectively amounted to a disaster. The fact that many of the new FA vets are equally old misses the point. Nearly all of them, almost without exception, were still wanted by their original team. They may resemble the players we released as far as their superficial aspects but they’re somewhat different than the castoffs we acquired in the last two years. Finally, since we’re so young as a team we’re still behind in terms of development. Much of this younger talent will need to learn through more playing time, but the most obvious fact about this is that we will almost certainly improve and continue to improve as time goes by.

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great post

i didn’t know we only had 3 leftovers from 06. all i can say is, with the past two drafts that we have had, that won’t be the case anymore!

by milehighnation on Aug 1, 2009 9:17 PM MDT reply actions  

check the Media Guide section How the Broncos were Built

We had a few more up till last year, since Foxworth and Paymah were drafted in 2005, along with Pears, who was signed as a UDFA. What it shows you is how little talent we accumulated during the early zeros. Most of the talent that dates from this period was acquired through alternatives to the draft. Players such as Bly came in trade for a number of drafted players, but Foster and Bell have to be considered as disappointments, which is why we traded them. Another example of this type of trade, in which mistakes or disgruntled players are traded, is Engelberger for Middlebrooks. One player has left and come back, too — Putzier.

The passage of time accounts for some of the failure to build, since some players have already finished their careers, such as Gold, but most teams have accumulated more from this period of time than we have. Our ability to compete as recently as 2005 was a legacy of earlier drafts, and trades, FAs, etc. Once Wilson was gone (to name a notable player although not the only one), our failure to replenish the team through the draft, etc., became a critical need. And that’s when we became an average team. Curiously, it was a this point (2006) that we started to accumulate players through the draft again.

The current team is now a mixture of recent drafts (and thus quite young) and vets who are mostly recent acquisitions.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

2006 was the year that Jim Goodman

was promoted to Director of Player Personnel. We know how Shanny and Sundquist got along, and I think the whole intent of creating the “Player Personnel” subcategory (i.e. Coaching, Front Office, Player Personnel) was to elevate Shanny above the GM and to ease the removal of Sundquist.

2006 seems to be the point where Goodman was promoted high enough to be a major cog in the actual acquisition of players (he was previously Director of College Scouting). Not only was he organizing his scouts data fro presentation, he was now also talking directly with Shanahan about when and where the players needed to be taken. Sundquist was practically out of hte loop and playing little more than a contract and mouthpiece role.

2007 seems to be Sundquist’s Last Stand, and a hallmark of his ‘style’ was the Overload at a Position Draft, which was 2007 in spades. By 2008 he was gone, and that draft showed NONE of the previous drafting tendencies.

Obviously the dates don’t line up perfectly, but knowing what we know of Shan and Ted’s excellent adventure, I think there is reason to speculate that dissonance could be a strong factor in the 3 year timeline of draft success/non-success.

I believe the key was Goodman; the problem with Goodman was his connection to Shanny, and the fact that all data points towards any extended relationship between him and Shanny being one where he was an endangered species. GMs under Shanny were like whales off the coast of Japan. DCs get most of the attention, but GM wasn’t any better.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 2, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Shanahan's success

It may be profane but I never saw Shanahan display an ability to team-build, particularly on defense. I gave credit — rightly or wrongly — to Beake for the talent we acquired in the 90s, although Dahlen, who was Shanahan’s man, deserves a little credit since he drafted Wilson.

Historically, we’ve never been organized in a way that allows the GMs the authority to properly execute their jobs [ LINK ].

My biggest complaint isn’t the draft but our evaluation of FAs. Goodman may have had a knack for evaluating college talent but I wonder about the decisions made on FAs, and much of the blame goes to Sunquist, too. We went a strange route starting around the time of the Brownco experiment.

Typically, a poor decision making process (to the extent that decisions are intentional and not caused by lack of discernment) could be attributable to a groupthink process. The GMs lacked the standing to say no to Shanahan and jumped aboard on some bad ideas. Not all of the ex-Browns DLs were terrible ideas but we stopped developing any talent from within. These problems speak to an organizational weakness.

What I find encouraging now is Xander’s demonstrated ability to judge FAs. And I’m curious if he was partly or wholly responsible for last year’s emphasis on leadership qualities in the draft.

It’s to Bowlen’s credit that he finally righted the organization, and I doubt that many football fans truly appreciate how important team organization is — (perhaps Lions’ fans do now after MIllen).

A segue — there’s two important overall points I’ve been trying to make. One, a string of successful drafts is a harbinger of very good things in time. Two, solidifying the defense doesn’t require huge injections of veteran talent. By huge I mean Haynesworthian. Merely solidifying many positions takes the strain off of the weakest links, so a rebound to a slightly below average defense seems likely — IMO.

The crux of this last point is that we depressed our defensive performance with some strange FA acquisitions and odd schematic adjustments in the last few years.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

To kinda add to your point on the drafts...

they are only successful if you can retain those players after their rookie contracts expire. It’s been clear that the Broncos of Shanahan didn’t have any serious intention on retaining players after their contracts were up—unless they had star caliber, break out years. Not that they are the only ones to do that, but you can’t build a long lasting TEAM of guys unless you draft wisely and add players that are stitching the problem, not just putting a band aid on it.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 2, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Aug 2, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

it's still hard to understand their letting Pryce go

They were living in their self-created delusion. “Just one more player………” When everyone else had adjusted to free agency and learned the lesson that you have to retain defensive talent, they we’re letting them get away.

I suppose they rationalized. A player such as Hayward may not have appeared worth big money. The overwhelming impression I had at that time was that they had no plan. They never learned their lesson and adapted. Success was the enemy; they didn’t see a need to develop from within until it was too late. I don’t think they even knew how, speaking to the defensive talent. We had good defensive coaches up until the early zeros and the defensive side of the coaching staff dried up after that.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

They scared easy

Pryce was having back trouble, and they couldn’t leverage him, so poof.

Gone.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 3, 2009 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Awesome post Colinski

It was long, but necessarily so. Until the talented, good-character, player’s we’ve drafted have the time to gain experience and essentially become Veteran leader’s themselves; we need to fill that void with Free Agency, which I believe we did. Denver robbed the Free Agency this off-season and the results will speak for themselves.

Only under the leadership of those guys, and the consistant drafting of future-leader, good-character players will our young players have a mold to grow into and expand on. Eventually getting us to the point where Pittsburg, Indy, and NE are; and that is keeping our growth internal. Those teams I just mentioned only resort to the Free Agency if something unexpected happens, or it is a last resort. Or maybe there is a great steal to be had.

Great, great, great, GREAT article! Rec’d!

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Aug 1, 2009 10:40 PM MDT reply actions  

My english teacher

would have failed me for that comment. So many grammar and punctuation errors… Lol. Oh well, you all know what I mean! It’s the Kool-aid I swear.

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Aug 1, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

role of FAs

The FAs replace the leadership that we should have had if we were growing from within, as well as providing players who can play immediately. The view that FAs must be great or they aren’t worth having is the MSM’s anti-Bronco Kool-aid. It also fails to address the caponomic logic/cost effectiveness of high priced vets. We needed MORE players; not less. The point (IMO) was to inject a number of high character vets into the defense, since we lack that, and we couldn’t really keep many of the ones we released and expect to improve.

We’re trying to create an environment conducive to the development of the younger players. Our previous FAs were almost all ‘street veterans’ who had been released by their previous teams. For instance, only Boss and Wiegmann were still under contract when we signed them away from their previous team last year, according to the Bronco Media Guide. Very few of the FAs this year were releasd, although there’s been unverified claims to this effect for a few on this list. I trust that the Media Guide is mostly accurate.

Here’s the list:

RB Correll Buckhalter*** (UFA-Phi)
ILB Andra Davis*** (UFA-Cle)
S Brian Dawkins*** (UFA-Phi)
DL Ronald Fields*** (UFA-SF)
WR Jabar Gaffney*** (UFA-NE)
CB André Goodman*** (UFA-Mia)
T Brandon Gorin*** (UFA-Stl)
ILB Nick Greisen**
S Renaldo Hill*** (UFA-Mia)
RB LaMont Jordan*** (UFA-NE)
G Matt McChesney**
T Clint Oldenburg**
DL J’Vonne Parker**
LS Lonie Paxton*** (UFA-NE)
OLB/DE Darrell Reid*** (UFA-Ind)
QB Chris Simms*** (UFA-Ten)
RB Darius Walker**

I’ve bolded the players who had not been released by their previous team, which is a measure of whether of whether they were still wanted.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 1:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

I believe that you are changing to a 3-4 defense (please correct me if I’m wrong), but if you are it’s going to take some time to develop. It has the ability to stuff an offense, but you won’t know how well the transition is working until the season starts. We were pretty fortunate to land Demarcus Ware so it aided in the development. Your cover guys will be crucial in the system because if they can’t contain an explosive receiver then it places more pressure on the front line to handle the offense. All organizations hit a bump in the road at rebuilding and no one knows how the future will turn out, but one thing is for certain- be prepared to part company as needed because people can look good in August and play awful in September. The work is never done.

Needagoodtime!

by Loveforjoy! on Aug 1, 2009 10:48 PM MDT reply actions  

Great post Coliski!

I liked all of it, but particularly liked the second to last paragraph. This rocked:

Team building is first and foremost a careful process. You don’t engage in a willy nilly process of collecting whatever talent is available and throw them together and then hope that somehow a team is formed, yet most of the MSM’s RW explicitly says that we should do exactly that.

I firmly believe we are on the right track now, and were not at this time last year. The W/L record this year may not be thrilling, but I believe we are heading in a good direction with our talent, personell, player development, rebuilding, and culture.

by NedBronco on Aug 1, 2009 11:25 PM MDT reply actions  

8-8 this year would be a success to me.

But only if those 8 games we lose are games that were close and we fought tooth and nail to win. If our team goes out and plays 4 quarters instead of 2 like last year, expect some good things to happen.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 1, 2009 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like the new picture Joe.

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Aug 1, 2009 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you thank you...

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 2, 2009 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

re: measuring success

I said that success is measured by team building metrics, when I wrote about this subject last year. Basically, it’s our ability to bring in a core of draftees and have them develop within our system, which can be measured by how many players a team retains from the draft who eventually play together for an extended period of time. This is the “nucleus.”

Or to put another way, once we went the route of the Brownco experiment we had given up on developing from within. The reliance on veteran free agents is a short term fix. It can help, and it did for a short while, but you need the nucleus. Ours at that time were Wilson, Pryce, etc., but the failure to develop from within caught up to us by 2006, and by that time it was too late. It’s always a lagged effect so the result don’t show up till later. Our drop off in 2006 was the result of what we weren’t doing in the preceding years.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 2:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

like electrons gravitating around

…nothing.

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 2, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice post Colinski

When evaluating teams, the MSM always seems to rank familiarity over unfamiliarity. Even if there’s no logic to be had in such a choice. If they can’t quantify what a team is, in a sense, then there’s an almost automatic assumption that said team will be worse. It doesn’t matter to analysts that our defense last year was woefully overmatched every time they stepped on the field. What matters is that they’re not sure this year what, exactly, the Broncos will be. So they rank us lower. To my thinking, I will gladly take potential uncertainty over certain mediocrity every day of the week.

The distortion extends to our Offense as well, as if McD breaking up the 08 Broncos was akin to Yoko breaking up the Beatles. Yet after the first three games, the Offense proved to be just as mediocre, in certain ways, as the Defense. The only way for the Broncos to actually improve, was to move from the average effort we recognized, to something entirely new.

rec’d.

by bowma101 on Aug 2, 2009 12:08 AM MDT reply actions  

MSM ranking

Right on bowma101.

Here’s the problem – they can’t rank a team as # “I don’t know” – it doesn’t fit on their 1 to 32 board. So if they don’t know, (not enough familiarity or carry-over from the last year), they have to either go WAAAAY out on a ledge and rank them high or they rank them a safe low. And none of the MSM guys are really going to take an in-depth analysis of all 32 teams. (In particular, they are likely to spend less time on teams that haven’t been contenders recently – unfortunately, like our Broncos.)

And to be a little sympathetic to the MSM’s situation, (I feel nauseous even typing this), every time the Broncos started to climb in the weekly rankings during regular season the last few years, they immediately disappointed with the next outing or two. We all felt the frustration, right?

by dwinjapan on Aug 2, 2009 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Man, did we ever feel the frustration

The hardest thing about last year’s Broncos was how every game seemed to be a red herring. We think we’re one thing, then turn into something else. Some weeks we looked like a bad team masquerading as a good team, and other weeks we were a good team that played suspiciously like a bad team. You’re right that it’s hard to blame the MSM for the negative expectations sometimes. Every time we looked like we could be something special, we came right back around and punished those who believed in us by looking completely inept. I don’t want to watch my Broncos be reliably inconsistent anymore.

by bowma101 on Aug 2, 2009 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

game theory in football

What hurt us on offense somewhat was the lack of options. The best way I can explain this is that your odds of success improve the less you use an alternative and the less prepared the other team is to stop that option.

We ran successfully but not enough, and part of our success was due to the fact that the other team wasn’t trying to take away that option. Our passing game was our main threat but it wasn’t as efficient as it could be because teams were trying to tack that option away from us. Brandon Marshall was still a threat despite double coverage and Cutler’s throwing into that coverage but he wasn’t AS big a threat as our unused alternative. Our efficiency dropped because we didn’t try to go to what the defense was giving us.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 2:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

We played into other teams hands

Whenever we faced adversity in a game our reaction was alway to pass, pass, and then pass some more. You’re right that our running game was partially so effective because teams never really tried to stop it. Why should they? We almost always went right back to passing, and with the questionable decision making (both by Jay and Bates with the playcalling) teams knew that us passing gave them more opportunities to turn the game around in their favor. I don’t think we realized how much did exactly what the other teams wanted us to do with our playcalling and execution.

by bowma101 on Aug 2, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Col, my man

I love your logic – definitely one of my favorite writers on the MHR! Definitely rec’d!!

When I look at others considering a problem I often find that it’s the seemingly little points surrounded by a fog of ambiguity that end up leading to a collapse of their overall solution. For example, everybody thinks they know what they are talking about when they say “X,” but unbeknownst to them, each’s “X” is slightly different, and when “X” is part of the foundation for their solution, the entire structure quickly becomes lopsided. They’re all so focued on the outcome, (in the NFL, the W/L column), that they forget to sit down and get everyone of the basic solution “pieces” and get the tools dusted of, clarified and in perfect running order as they begin to work toward the outcome.

I see this as a fundamental problem of both our pre-McD Broncos and of the MSM’s evaluation of our Broncos.

Frankly, I was sold on McD as soon as I heard he had been looking into the “little” things like diets, etc., not to mention his focus on discipline and the details – getting back to reevaluating your tools and cleaning up all of the basics. (This is one thing that the Japanese do VERY well!!)

The MSM, for their part, simply don’t have the time or the journalistic integrity or the inclination, (as was correctly pointed out, playing up controversy appears to make the MSM writers somehow better writers?!?!), to focus on the details of their analysis and instead, for the most part, play the popular tunes over and over. But heck, look at the guys that are the face of the MSM these days. Experience in the NFL is great, but it does not necessarily lead to great analysis OR journalism. And in particular, this rush to go after the BIG names and personalities and to make them the MSM talking heads is probably incredibly counter-productive in terms of research, deep analysis and journalistic integrity.

As someone wrote in a different fanpost, 8 and 8 is fine as long as we play disciplined and hard four quarters a game, and the 8 losses are close and hard-fought. I agree. And LoveforJoy is right in saying that a 3-4 will take some time to develop, not to mention new offensive schemes. So we need to be a little patient..

The key will be the intensity and the intelligence of our coaching and play. And in the end, I am thinking we will be A LOT BETTER than 8 and 8!!! GO BRONCOS

by dwinjapan on Aug 2, 2009 12:25 AM MDT reply actions  

oooops, my bad

good ole’ Calijoefornia wrote the 8 and 8 idea above – I’m with ya’

by dwinjapan on Aug 2, 2009 12:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

A Japanese segue

I saw signs that Xanders & McDaniels were incorporating Deming’s ideas. Much of the New England Patriot way sounds like a page from a book on TQM, which is like a religion in Japanese business.

At the point I wrote about my observation, which was back in the late winter, we were hearing pundits and others talk about the authoritarian nature of the New England Patriot way. I don’t think they ‘got’ it.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 2:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Getting it.

Another thing which has only been vaguely touched on in Our Offseason of Discontent, is the whole ’Patriot’s Way’ issue.

The patriot’s are fiewed as much more than just ‘authoritarian’: Spygate, Belicheat, Shady Brady, etc. There was definitely a case for leaguewide envy for a three time SB winning team, and that inspired as much vitriol as awe. Sure, pleasure can be taken by some that NE coaches don’t succeed elsewhere, but the AMOUNT of pleasure seems to be inconsistent with the initial crime. And it isn’t just Spygate: the undefeated run in 2007 was an uninspiring look into human psychology. It was a case of ‘Tall Poppy Syndrome’ if ever I saw one.

Woody Paige is an example of someone who needed ot be won over specifically because of his dislike of all things Patriots (coupled with his liking of Shanny, and you have the basic recipe that fuels a lot of the fanbase’s general negativity towards McDaniels: and Woody is nothing if he isn’t a dyed in the wool Bronco fan) Hatred of the Patriots hasn’t been touched on as much as I would have thought, given the contentious nature of our offseason…

Or hasn’t it? Perhaps Mcdaniels hatred=Patriots hatred?

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 2, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

McPrejudice

I can think of one poster here who makes no attempt to hide the irrational basis of his opinions. I would think that if you were trying to convince people then you wouldn’t reveal that you didn’t actually think you’re way to your position.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Words fail me.

I’ll just say rec’d, and spoy on!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 2, 2009 10:27 AM MDT reply actions  

+1

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 2, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

"spot on"

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 2, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

AWESOME POST

And great follow up
REC!

To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.

by Broncobh on Aug 2, 2009 5:27 PM MDT reply actions  

You Blow Me away Professor Colinski.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 2, 2009 8:47 PM MDT reply actions  

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