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The Dude Abides...The Truth About Kyle "NeckBeard" Orton

 

Ask Kyle Orton to shave if you’d like, but, please, stop booing him.

 

There’s really no good reason for this kind of Raider behavior.  You don’t live in Oakland after all, so don’t trash your QB, wander the streets drunk with firearms, and dress up like a Halloween drag queen on Sundays, all while saying, "I’m just a passionate fan."

 

Remember, Bronco fans are smarter (and more literate) than this.  And they watch game tape. 

 

That’s right.  Instead of booing Kyle Orton at a training camp practice, I decided to go back and watch every one of Orton’s games from last year.  I also checked out several Patriots games so that I could understand what McDaniels does and how Orton fits into the system.  

 

Just what does McDaniels see in Orton?  A lot actually.  After looking at all of this game tape, I am quite convinced that Orton is going to thrive under McDaniels, but before I address this, first, some observations about Orton (aside from the neckbeard) and his offense in general:

 

  • Orton's offensive line and receivers were simply not that good.  I watched over and over again Orton's receivers fail to get separation from defenders.  Moreover, Chicago's tackles were below average at best.  Frequently Orton would have his pocket collapse on both sides at the same time.   This made 3rd and long an extremely difficult down for Orton because his receivers couldn't find space and he could barely get into his drop without pressure.  

 

  • His arm is just fine.  Forget about all of this garbage about Orton not being able to make all of the throws.  Go back and look at the tape.  He regularly made throws of 30, 40, and 50 yards...each and every game.  On many occasions, just like any NFL QB,  he overthrew his receivers on streak routes.  Yes, his accuracy is not as good on these Level 3 passes, but, honestly, I can´t believe how anyone can say this guy has a weak arm if they simple go back and watch game tape.  In fact, in several of the games, the announcers say right on camera, "Look at the laser Kyle Orton threw to get that ball in there."  And after watching dozens and dozens of Matt Cassel passes, you can rest assured that Orton has a stronger arm than Cassel. 

 

  • Orton is not mobile and can do a bit better job of shifting within the pocket, but he can read a defense and he can audible.   I was extremely surprised to see Orton walk to the line of scrimmage in the same way Manning and Brady do, patiently survey the defense, point out to his backs and linemen what was coming, and, on many occasions, audible to a better play.  In fact, Orton sometimes used a hard count so the linebackers would reveal their blitz package early.  This allowed him to know where to go with his Level 1 reads.

 

  • Orton did a good job in the no-huddle and shot-gun.  Certainly, this is not going to come as any surprise to MHR readers, but for proof of this, simply pull up the Philadelphia-Chicago game from last year.  The Bears came out with a no-huddle offense in the first half in order to keep the Eagles from sending in blitz packages.  Orton got to the line of scrimmage, he read the defense, he took the hits, and he torched the Eagles with a variety of Level 1, 2, and 3 passes.  I was surprised to see that the Bears did not take advantage of this no-huddle more often during the season, except in their second meeting with the Vikings.

 

  • Orton is very accurate in Level 1 & 2 passes.  In particular, he throws Level 1 slants, Level 1 outs, and Level 2 seam passes extremely well.  Chicago did not use a lot of crossing routes (unfortunately), but when they did, Orton did just fine.

 

  • Orton is a team guy first, doesn't complain, and picks his guys up in the huddle.  On one occasion, during the Tampa Bay game, Orton threw a nice 30 yard post to Devin Hester.  Hester dropped it cold.  Orton didn't go Dan Marino on him.  Instead, Orton was waiting for him at the huddle, patting him on the helmet and encouraging him. During the Atlanta game, Orton thew a nice 30 yard score with 20 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter.  All of the coaches and the defensive players were high-fiving and hugging Orton.  It was clear that Orton was was respected and well liked by all of his teammates.  Lastly, Orton took one hell of a pounding last year in the Carolina, Tampa, and Minnesota games.  He kept getting up.  And he didn't complain, despite the fact that his offensive line rarely gave him a comfortable pocket and Jared Allen and Julius Peppers looked liked they were playing against the practice squad.

 

  • Orton checked down and he looked off the safety when he had a pocket.  When Orton wanted to get to the Level 3 post, he would look off the safety.  Many fans (usually those with tribal tattoos and black and silver face paint) fail to recognize this subtle art.  

 

  • Orton was a master a finding his running back in the flat and getting rid of the ball quickly.  It's not coincidence that Matt Forte had 63 catches last year.

 

Now,  what do we know about McDaniels and what he's going to be bringing to Denver with his "Amoeba Offense?" Well, we hear lots of things, but mostly, it has been said the offense is tailored to the strengths of the individual players.  This may very well be, but we are left to speculate.  However, if you go back to the tapes of Patriots games last year, you get a pretty good picture as to why McDaniels wanted Orton to run this system:

 

  1. A LOT of shotgun with 3, 4, and 5 receiver sets in which the QB must check down.
  2. A LOT of 1st and 2nd Level passes, particularly from the slot.
  3. A LOT of use of the running backs in the passing game.
  4. A LOT of bubble screens and running back screens.
  5. A LOT of "hot" reads, given that defenses try to stop this system by blitzing.

 

McDaniels isn't stupid.  What he saw on tape last year was a a guy in Orton, who can do all the five things listed above and do them well.  What he saw is a guy  being misused by the Bears.  And given the receivers and offensive line of the Broncos, what he saw is a guy who is going to surprise the hell out of everyone this year.

 

If you'll just let him get through a practice or two.

 

Go Broncos!  And Rock the NeckBeard!

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Very well

drawn out. This is pretty much what I’ve been speculating as well. He doesn’t need the laser rocket arm. He does need to be accurate, which he is. It’s like he took the west coast, singleback and spread offenses and just created a monster out of them.

Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!

by grind_core on Aug 11, 2009 5:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Grind Core

Exactly. Orton is going to be well over 60% this year because he’s going to be hitting a lot of bubble screens and slot slants.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great Post

I think Orton is going to surprise A lot of People this year. The only talent he had in Chicago last year was Matt Forte. It is kinda like Drew Brees going from SD to NO. People are going to be very surprised.

by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 11, 2009 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Gnarly

I had not thought about this, but that is a good comparison. I also think Rich Gannon is a good comparison. Once he got into that system, he suddenly became a Pro-Bowler overnight.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 6:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brees and Orton are both Purdue guys

They ran a very nice spread formation offense there – still do, I believe? Orton was frequently lauded for his generalship in that formation.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 11, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bear, as a Univeristy of Wyoming Alumn

I love the Purdue Spread. Tiller ran it at UW and it was the bomb. That offense at 7,200 feet was impressive. Good point. Orton will be coming full cycle. I imagine he is quite giddy.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Preparation

If the team prepares as well for the season as you did for this post (especially relative to MSM), we go NOTHING to worry about. Thanks for the great work.

by idahobronc on Aug 11, 2009 6:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Idaho

thanks, man. My eyes are a little red from watching so many Chicago games, but I am glad I did. Orton is a good QB.

By the way, if you were wondering who is a better LB, Briggs or Urlacher, rest assured that it is Briggs.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

oops

“we got” instead of we go; but of course WE GO.

by idahobronc on Aug 11, 2009 6:03 PM MDT reply actions  

I suggested to Orton that he bring back the neckbeard at TC about a week ago and he said it’s coming.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 11, 2009 6:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Sweeeeeet!!!

We really should be playing up the neckbeard more. Plummer wasn’t Plummer until he brought out the mountain man look. Personally, if I see Orton rock the neckbeard, I will be tempted to do it myself. In fact, they really should create a Neckbear day at a Mile High home game.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m way ahead of you! I’ve been rocking the neckbeard off and on for years. It seems like the QB of the Denver Broncos should have a beard…it just seems right. ;-)

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 11, 2009 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I had my neckbeard until about 20 minutes ago...

I had to shave it off, it was getting to be ridiculous in this humid weather… Massachusetts sucks.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 11, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wish I could grow a neck beard

But for some reason my facial hair line is actually moving up the older I get. (I am having to shave closer and closer to my eyes as of late, which is troubling considering I cut myself at least 4 times a shave.)

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by Choochoobonewagon on Aug 11, 2009 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

+ 1

He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.

by bradley on Aug 13, 2009 7:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nicely done

After this article was posted, the Chicago Sun-Times was nice enough to republish it. I did the same thing that you did, lb – I watched all of his games, most of the repeatedly. I’m still dumbfounded (some would just say dumb…) at the weird statements that some of the Bears fans have made regarding the ‘lack’ of his arm and his supposed weakness. Thanks for reviewing his recent body of work – I don’t have any doubts that he will experience some issues early on as he truly gets comfortable in the offense, but he’s a very fine young Qb and a very fine young man from everything that I’ve heard or read. He is an ex6tremely hard worker, last to leave, first to arrive, and the team seems to be becoming very protective of him and the slights and insults that they’ve heard are only adding to their bond.

Betting against Orton is a sucker’s bet. I appreciate the article – glad to hand it a rec’d!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 11, 2009 6:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Bear

Your posts are always well researched and well done. If mine are half as good as yours, I will be satisfied. I agree with you 100%, where this idea that is arm is weak came from, I haven’t a clue.

One can only watch so many Bears games before one realizes Jared Allen is going to use JC as a play toy and that the Bears got fleeced in that trade.

As agreed. Look at Cassel. For the first 4 games, he struggled, but by the end of the season, this guy was looking better than Brady in that offense.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very astute broncobear

“I don’t have any doubts that he will experience some issues early on”

I think we’re definitely going to see some growing pains as the Broncos get used to new systems, new players, etc. on both sides of the ball. We all want them to be good right away, and with the talent and coaching they have, this team will show some flashes. But as fans we need to give this team until 2010/2011 before we start booing them.

by creamy on Aug 12, 2009 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great research

and optimism. However, regardless of how things look on paper, Kyle will be judged by what happens on the field. He is a big boy making million of $’s and he can handle being booed just as Cutler, Plummer and Griese before him did. He did not get booed because he is Kyle Orton, he got booed because he got picked twice (according to what I read, I was not there). I would guess when playing in front of the home crowd he will risk being booed if he gets picked again, but weep not for Mr. Orton, he also will have 70K on their feet cheering him when he throws a TD.

by AKfan on Aug 11, 2009 6:14 PM MDT reply actions  

It was a practice( can't justify no matter what) when he was booed and

he only makes $995,000.00. Orton’s winning percentage as a starter in homes games is 80%. He was 6-1 in 2008. He’ll bring some of that whoop azz to Mile High in 2009!

by rocko1 on Aug 11, 2009 7:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Look I was a number of Broncos games last year

and Cutler threw so many untimely picks I can’t even remember them all. As a fan I was pissed and angry, but I didn’t boo him. Certainly it would have been justified in that situation, but I chose to support the team.
I guess what I’m saying is throwing some picks one week into camp, in a new offense, is certainly not justification for booing our new QB. If he turns into a Cutler like red-zone pick machine during the season, then you can let the boo birds fly. Until then we should support Orton.

by DBronx777 on Aug 12, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why does

Everyone become so offended by the boos. where you at the practice DBronx777? If not then listen to what people who were there said. ITS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL!! We, as Denver fans, are some of the historically most passionate fans around. And in my experience a little love hate relationship, or some tough love, has never been a bad thing. Let it go. people boo. non of it was as big as the media is making it out to be.

“If I am cut, do I not bleed? If I throw a bad pass, am I not boo’d?” unkown.

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by DenBronx on Aug 12, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

That throw against Atlanta

was amazing. The game on the line with 19 seconds left and Orton throws an absolute perfect pass to Rashied Davis. I remember watching this game and realizing what a gamer Orton was. Now how the bears ended up losing that game is another story… here’s the link to the play.

by KPBronco on Aug 11, 2009 6:18 PM MDT reply actions  

KP

Yeah there were five interesting plays at the end there:

1. Jason Elam misses a 20 yard field goal?
2. Orton’s SWEET pass with 20 seconds left
3. The Bears stupid squib kick to give the Falcons a shot with 11 seconds
4. Matt Ryan’s amazing out pass with 1 second left
5. Elam’s 48 yard field goal

I couldn’t believe that Ryan got that ball off with the pocket pressure too on that pass.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Indeed

One of the craziest finishes to a game last year. Ryan really showed he’ll be in this league for awhile.

by KPBronco on Aug 11, 2009 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

that sequence cost us a playoff berth

The defensive coverage that allowed that sideline completion still gets me steamed. one of the worst jobs of coaching in Bears’ history.

by rocko1 on Aug 11, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good link, KP

Thanks – that as a heck of a pass. It’s shame he isn’t strong in the 4th quarter, isn’t it? Sure…In the 2 minute drill last year, Orton had a 101.8 QB rating and a 60% completion rate. Other than that….Nice work, guys

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 11, 2009 6:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Haha

Creep can roll man! Looks pretty accurate and strong armed to me.

by KPBronco on Aug 11, 2009 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Our season was over if the offense

doesn’t score in the final two minutes of the Packers and Saints games. In both games Orton get’s the offense into field goal position to tie the score, and is perfect in overtime as the Bears win both games. Talk about pressure! Our season is over if Kyle and the offense don’t get it done. He must have completed 90% of his passes during both 2-minute drills and the overtimes. Minus 10 degrees for the Packers and not much warmer against the Saints.

by rocko1 on Aug 11, 2009 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Huh??

Are you really a bear fan?? Here is the drive chart that he “led” the team on against GB:

M.Forte left end to GB 23 for 28 yards .
M.Forte right end to GB 15 for 8 yards (N.Collins).
M.Forte right tackle to GB 13 for 2 yards (A.Kampman).
M.Forte left guard to GB 10 for 3 yards (M.Montgomery, R.Pickett).
M.Forte right tackle to GB 7 for 3 yards (M.Montgomery).
K.Orton pass short right to D.Hester to GB 4 for 3 yards (B.Chillar).
M.Forte right guard to GB 3 for 1 yard (R.Pickett). Measurement.
M.Forte left guard for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
He threw for 142 yrds and 2 picks for the game…

In the NO game he was awful as well 172 yrds no TD’s and 2 picks, he did lead a drive on a game tying field goal but it was the product of poor defense more than Orton. Did not complete one pass over 10 yrds. His best play was when Hester had his guy beat by 10 yrds earlier in the game and he under threw him and drew a PI call.

He was awful in both games. Look the guy is a great teammate and a good leader but jeez he is very average. Someone else mentioned the eagles game and yes he had a great drive he orcheastrated but he was awfule for most of that game. A couple of good drives that led to td’s but a slew of 3 and outs.

by tfrabotta on Aug 11, 2009 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

A rose by any other name?

tfrabotta’s remark was detailed, balanced, and non-trollish. “great teammate and a good leader but jeez he is very average” is not the dank glass completely empty remark of a troll

by Dwhite on Aug 11, 2009 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

funny how I am a troll when pointing out your inaccuracy

Your points concerning the bears are constantly written like this and I have my doubts that you are really a bear fan based on this. I have never read a post from you at WCG and if you were such a bear fan why not? Is there anything I wrote that was not true? You can’t spout that Orton led them on a game winning drive against GB when he handed off on 7 of 8 plays.

by tfrabotta on Aug 12, 2009 5:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Game winning drives both games

Imo you’re a troll. Get you’re facts straight. WCG…Bears fan???? what does that have to do with this great fan post? you’re trolling boy!

by rocko1 on Aug 12, 2009 6:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's not a troll! If Tfrabotta is a troll the you're a Genie

for trying to sell dreams to the Broncos fans here. Get off the Orton sauce! You know darn well Orton didn’t do all the stuff you’ve been typing. tfrabotta is absolutely right. Stop selling Orton as the next Dan Marino. It’s not happening. Orton is closer to the guy the fans are booing in practice than the guy who played in the Atanta game.

by Dils on Aug 12, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

well look who showed up

It’s the Orton basher and backer of Rex Grossman…Dils. Anytime something comes out positive on Orton, Dils rides to the rescue to set the world straight. Everything he states about Orton is based on what he has seen on the field. At the same time, speaking out of the other side of his mouth, he was a big backer of Rex Grossman.

by rocko1 on Aug 12, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL!!!

Boy me and you are going to have a ball this season on these blogs I see!

by Dils on Aug 12, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

don’t worry guys. we like the company.

by lolcopter on Aug 12, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

How have you been!

It will be one very interesting season to say the least. Serious question for you. How is Rex doing down in Houston?

by rocko1 on Aug 12, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Look up the stats when it counted

final two minutes of 4th quarter and the overtime in both games you troll!

by rocko1 on Aug 11, 2009 9:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

funny didn't I just list

all the plays of the 4th qtr drive in the GB game? In the NO game he led them on that FG drive and NO played into his hand by playing a deep prevent and kudos to KO that he took what they gave him with short passes and dump offs.

by tfrabotta on Aug 12, 2009 5:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

you smell that?

it smells of negativity and troll!

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 11, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Trafbotta

Who am I to get in the middle of a throw down like this, but I will say in the Eagles game Turner abandoned what had been working for more under center approach. And Hester was the only guy that I ever saw get much separation for Orton all year.

But anyway, good post.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not saying everything was KO's fault

as he had moments of brillance through the year. Again the frustrating thing is his inconsistency and that would kill drives. He can’t take credit for the great drives and get none of the blame for the many three and outs. Many factors in all of this, play calling was spotty, Oline was inconsistent. I just don’t like someone pretending to be a “true” bear fan..

by tfrabotta on Aug 12, 2009 5:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Except Hillis.

He could do the work of the refs as well on the same play.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 12, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Like you ain't never seen a QB have a bad day,

I recall Jim McMahon having a bad day once in a while so back off the of Kyle. The great of all have bad days once in a while. It’s just plain nonsense to say any different. I’ll take Kyle’s record you take Jayster’s.

by bfree2bronc on Aug 12, 2009 12:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Even Joe Montana had a bad period...

it was the time spent in KC. ZING!

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 12, 2009 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Believe me

no one has anything on the bears when it comes to bad QB days. We may lead NFL history in that, why do you think we are so excited about the trade?

by tfrabotta on Aug 12, 2009 5:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good luck with him then.
The low point may have come in a November loss to the Raiders when Prater was 1-for-3 on field-goal attempts, and took an extreme sideline tongue-lashing from former Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler in what was a messy, season-crushing 31-10 loss to Oakland.

Prater has consistently said, including this week, that the blowup was “just one of those things,” that Cutler “wasn’t having a great game, I wasn’t having a great game, and other guys got it from him too. It was just everybody noticed mine.”

However, some players have privately said Prater tried to later talk to Cutler about the blowup only to be rebuffed and that he also had a difficult time with former Broncos special-teams coach Scott O’Brien’s evaluations of his work during the week.

Like it was Praters fault for the loss.

by bfree2bronc on Aug 12, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

That stupid Raiders game was the game that made me start to doubt Cutler. They gave him man on the outside all game. He kept challenging the DBs, and he kept missing on the long throws. He had nothing going — it was clear he wasn’t going to get anywhere targeting those routes. And still, he wouldn’t check down.

No rhyme or reason to it, but to me, that was the worst loss of the season. Even worse than the one in san Diego.

by Chibronx on Aug 12, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

cutler

2-2 against oakland
1-3 against san diego (thank hochuli!)

by lolcopter on Aug 12, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually in the Eagles game he was great in the first half

And then there was no oline protectiohn in the 2nd half. He was sacked 4 times, knocked down a bunch, hurried every single snap.

Yes he was intercepted a few times in the 2nd half. And a couple were even his fault.

But I would blame the 2nd half of the Eagles game mostly on poor coaching, and horrible OLine play.
(If you can’t tell I actually just finished rewatching it 3 min. before this post)

  • In other news, Corell Buckhalter played amazing in the game. Started, got hurt, went to the locker room for about 1/2 a quarter, and then returned *

Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.

by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Aug 12, 2009 2:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep he had a nice first half

and second half was very conservative play calling but we still didn’t even convert many third downs in the entire second half. He has to take some of the blame for that. When they were bringing heat why not audible into another play?

by tfrabotta on Aug 12, 2009 5:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

great article
And after watching dozens and dozens of Matt Cassel passes, you can rest assured that Orton has a stronger arm than Cassel.

That’s all we need to know about Orton’s arm.

McDaniel’s isn’t stupid.

I nominate this for the understatement of the preseason.

Great article.

But who will guard the guards themselves?

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 11, 2009 6:45 PM MDT reply actions  

This is what I've been saying all along

I am very excited about Orton, I have liked him his whole career. Last year I was telling friends how good he looked but most people pretend like they agree but obviously don’t. He is a man who was born to play QB. It seems natural to him. He is a young QB that plays more like a 10 year vet.

by mjdbronco on Aug 11, 2009 6:49 PM MDT reply actions  

Awesome post, Dude!

What is your background? It sounds like you were a QB at some point in your life?

I have been continuously dumbfounded by everyone who intimates Orton has a weak arm. Most of my experience watching him, admittedly, is on Youtube. But, with the crappy quality videos on youtube on most of his throws, especially the throws where he is fitting it into someone and really lets it go, I can’t even see it. I honestly couldn’t tell a difference between his fastball and Cutler’s, even though I know Cutler has the stronger arm.

by aLuffabo on Aug 11, 2009 6:49 PM MDT reply actions  

If you listen to sport talk radio

…all you hear about is Orton’s supposed weak arm. What’s telling, however, is that all these radio jock experts like to brag about bringing that up with McDaniels — and that McDaniels has begun routinely rolling his eyes at the question.

He doesn’t seem to think Orton’s arm strength is a problem. Woody Paige, on the other hand, is now calling Orton Brian Greise — and insisting that opposing defenses will keep an extra body in the box and their corners up because Orton can’t beat anybody over the top.

I keep wondering if he and others of his ilk watched the same game film I did, or if they watched any at all. Because one of us is crazy.

by JeffG on Aug 11, 2009 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's not that it is weak

His release is not quick, a bit of a wind up. He is very inconsistent with his accuracy on throws beyond 10 yrds.

by tfrabotta on Aug 11, 2009 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Griese?

As in went to the Pro Bowl after compiling a great TD to Int ratio (4th best ever) Griese? I’ll be happy for Orton to beGgriese this year. He can be Rothlesberger next year, and Montana after that. But Griese this year is fine.

by Dwhite on Aug 11, 2009 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

What he said was

…that Greise is not very inspiring. Greise doesn’t win playoff games.

Whereas Cutler…

Woody sometimes needs to have a muffin and keep quiet.

by JeffG on Aug 11, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

D....

To this day, I think Griese got a horrible rap in Denver. Paige thinks he was right about Griese, but there are not a lot of QBs that have played as many years as Griese has. His career numbers are 119 TDs to 99 TDs and a 82.7 QB rating. You could do a LOT worse. And I think under the right system he would have been much better than this.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

A possible reason for Griese's bad rep?

My wife hates Griese because he got injured at a crucial point in the season and cost her dearly in fantasy football.

by Dwhite on Aug 12, 2009 5:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed Griese

In fact his brother taught at my Virginia Hichschool in the late 90’s to early 2000’s. But the simple fact is he was a drunk who couldn’t keep himself healther as Dwhite mentioned. Griese hit his own head while drunk and took himself out for a while if my memory is acurate……and there is all probability that it isn’t.

But I do think Orton will be fine in this offense. I mean hell, unless Royal gets wide open why are we gonna try a long pass to a shorty against a most likely taller CB? Hit Royal on the post and let his legs to the talking. IMHO

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Aug 12, 2009 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

A shorty like

Steve Smith of the Panthers? Yeah… what a bust those shorties are against taller corners. (saying this as a positive poke)

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Aug 12, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

…..:-P I think you know what I mean though lol.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Aug 12, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I did...

just couldn’t resist.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Aug 12, 2009 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Griese always had a knack for turning the ball over at the worst possible time. (this was also a trait our previous quarterback was starting to show)

by lolcopter on Aug 12, 2009 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

your wife plays fantasy ball?

fantasy wives/girlfriends of the world unite!

My girlfriend is getting into FF, it’ll be interesting to see how her first year goes. She doesn’t really understand it yet, but she will soon enough when her squad is tanking.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 12, 2009 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I won't let my wife play

Someone has to be aware enough to do laundry and cook and clean etc during the football season…(Not to be a knock on women, its just that I disappear for 5 months out of the year)

by trumanj on Aug 12, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nothing against the ladies...

My girlfriend and I have a great understanding…I’ll take her to the theatre or anything else she wants—-between January and August. August to January is me time. hahahaha

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 12, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wives

We both used to play, though i was a lot more serious about it. She drafted without my direct input but with my personalized player projections. One year I was in two pay leagues and my wife won one and sister-in-law won the other!

I gave it up beacuse of the time committment and it somewhat messed up actually enjoying football.

by Dwhite on Aug 12, 2009 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great job Lebowskibronco!

One of the best on Orton at the MHR! Rec’d!

by rocko1 on Aug 11, 2009 7:40 PM MDT reply actions  

+ 1

He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.

by bradley on Aug 11, 2009 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Front Page Material

Excellent post! Everything here on MRH is superb but some articles rise above the rest. This is definitely one of those articles! Rec’d!

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Aug 11, 2009 7:40 PM MDT reply actions  

104.3 is reporting that Orton got ‘benched’ today at the PM practice and Simms was running the 1st team offense. Hmmm?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 11, 2009 7:40 PM MDT reply actions  

That is too bad

KO is a great guy and hope he does well.

by tfrabotta on Aug 11, 2009 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Would that be like

Ryan Harris is out for Friday and we don’t know when he’ll be back? their credibility is a little suspect in my book. I don’t doubt that simms worked with the 1st team offense, but that’s not the same as Orton being benched.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 11, 2009 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly SWG!

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 12, 2009 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn't hear that

On what show? Nothing about it on the website.

by JeffG on Aug 11, 2009 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Poster

I have looked and looked and looked for anything about this, but I can’t find anything to support this.

I think it is suspect, man. If not, it still doesn’t change my analysis of Orton from what I saw.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was right about the end of practice, around 7pm or so. They said that after Orton took several sacks on the practice, Simms replaced him running the first team offense. I haven’t seen anything else about it either…and you’d assume HCMcD would’ve been asked about it after practice. Who knows? I have no doubt that their credibility can be suspect…that’s why I lead the statement with “104.3 is reporting that…”. lol.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 12, 2009 12:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

And they used the word “benched”…not me.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 12, 2009 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

that’s why I said “their” credibility is suspect not yours.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 12, 2009 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing that late in a practice...

…this is no different from pulling your starting goalie if he gives up five goals in a game.

Why let a bad roll continue at that point? Doesn’t mean his job is in jeopardy. Plus I highly doubt the sacks were all Orton’s fault. Partially, sure, but not all.

by ShawnDenver on Aug 12, 2009 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe that means our defense is starting to get it,

and I know, defenses generally better than offenses in training camp, but they may be gelling now and that would be a good sign.

by bfree2bronc on Aug 12, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great post.

This was an excellent read and I agree with you. Our bookends played terrible last year and I won’t miss either of the two this season. The offense thrived when KO ran the shotgun and it always seemed that Turner abandoned it too soon, which took the momentum away from some of the games.

Again, great read lebowski.

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Aug 11, 2009 8:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Smudgers

Good to hear from a Bears Fan. Trying my best to not rip Cutler too hard. Thanks for the comments. When watching the film, I did keep wondering why Chicago kept going to Orton under center.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can't go no huddle and shot gun all game

we would get a little one dimensional don’t you think? Have to run the ball to control the clock…

by tfrabotta on Aug 12, 2009 5:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not sure...

I’m assuming Turner wanted to keep the defenses guessing. To be honest, I dunno.

The Eagles game was a perfect example. KO came out in the shotgun on the first drive, used a lot of quick dump offs and really took one of the strengths of their defense out of the equation. Then after the first drive, they abandoned it. I agree with tfrabotta, you can’t stay in the no huddle all of the time, but I do think Turner under utilized it and broke away from it too fast.

And no worries about the Cutler thing. As a Bears fan, I am stoked that he’s the QB for our team. I do understand, as a fan, why some of you feel the way you do. I can actually see, now, both sides of the coin. And to make sure that last comment isn’t misconstrued, as grindcore (and others) have pointed out, I do realize not all Bronco’s fan was a Sizzle believer from the onset.

Bears/Broncos Super Bowl 2009, Cutler vs. Orton, Lovie vs. McDaniels. Bear Down!!!

- Smudgers

"Newbie, if the next two words out of your mouth aren't 'See ya' then the third word will be 'Oh my god. My crotch. You've punched me in my crotch." - Dr. Percival Ulysses Cox

by David Taylor on Aug 12, 2009 6:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mark it an 8 Dude!!!

El Duderino, (Im not into the whole brevity thing)
the observations were great! I did the same thing sounds like to a lesser degree. But came away with the same feeling. Orton made some incredible plays with very little support (line or receivers) around him. I don’t think that we are going to crush anybody, but in Orton and McD i think what we have is two very smart and very determined individuals. Both men have a lot to prove. For that matter Nolan does as well, but that’s a different reply.
I personally love every single national article or video report that i read or see that says the Broncos will win 2 or 3 games at best. HA! This team has an incredible amount of talent. To me the defense has some questions, but not as many as you’d read about. Then, to me, its just a matter of time before the team gels.
Its gonna be good and it will also be frustrating, but I will enjoy serving up some crow I think!
The Dude Abides Man!

by KMA on Aug 11, 2009 9:30 PM MDT reply actions  

KMA, Thanks

Agreed. We may not crush everyone, but I think we’ll be in every game. I don’t think you’ll see any 41-10 drubbings of Denver this year. Orton is too smart to put them into bad situations or give up costly turnovers.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bfree

I acknowledge the line….awesome…wish I would have thought of it!

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Every time I read your posts...

I want to go watch the movie. I love John Goodman and it’s one of his finest in my opinion.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 11, 2009 9:35 PM MDT reply actions  

CJ, that is because

New Information has come to light, man…I have certain information..

by TJ Johnson on Aug 11, 2009 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Big Lebowski

is easily one of the most quotable movies ever. I swear it’s like every line in the movie is a one liner but it all works!

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 11, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

To this day..

I still use “you’re like a child that wanders into a movie” every chance I get, lol.

Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!

by grind_core on Aug 12, 2009 12:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

I pretty much use all of Jesus’ quotes and all of Goodman’s quotes at least once a week.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 12, 2009 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

I SAID MARK IT ZERO!!!!!!

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 12, 2009 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

One of my friends in high school

looked for months for Logjamming or whatever it was called. She thought it was a real movie. Then again, her dad (who dresses up as the Dude himself on Halloween) convinced her that Logjammer or whatever was real… She was such a klutz. hahaha

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 12, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Awesome man.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Aug 11, 2009 10:05 PM MDT reply actions  

Kyle Orton's learning curve...from a newbies perspective

First off….. great post! +1
Hi all, I am new to this site and felt the urge to contribute to this discussion on Orton. By all means I do not consider myself a guru, coach or expert. And please forgive my punctuation (was always my weakest point in college) .

I was surfing some of the other videos of Orton on youtube and came across this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaUrgq2fnXs&NR=1

Keep in mind that the Colts defense was ranked 16th(T) in sacks last season (NFL.com). Very middle of the pack.

 From this I have a few observations:

1. Yes Kyle looks terrible in his first few throws but settles down for a long night of punishment, and takes it like a MAN, and never QUITS!

2. It showed me more of the character of Orton than any highlight reel. And that character is probably the reason that Urlacher went vocal when he first heard news of the trade… “I guess the Bears felt like we needed another quarterback, so they made a move,” Urlacher said. “They gave up a lot. Cutler must be pretty good.”. He also said more about Orton, that he was a great QB, teammate and leader….(saw the original video of it) but I cant remember exactly (old age is catching up with me) and the article that I found, cut most of it out!

3. If this video is any indication of life in Chicago for Jay Culter…….OUCH!!! I sure hope the Bears did more than sign on an injury plagued lineman on the backside of his career. And lol I know its the dead squirrel issue (I refuse to say dead horse). But I have some advice for Cutler…….RUN….RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!! Lol nuff said!

4. This brought me to a few questions…How long will it take Orton to get out the the “happy feet” mode that was mandatory to survive in that offense? Will it be ingrained for his NFL career, as he was NURTURED in this system? hehehehehehe

IMO I don’t think so. Ive always felt that a QB can only be as good as his O-line allows him to be (after the 70’s 80’s and 90’s of watching Bronco football). Not to be cliche but behind every good QB in the history of the NFL there were the men who made it possible! With the Broncos O-Line its up to Orton to break out of that “shell” and show his talents.

With Orton’s work ethic (first player on the field and the last player to leave), leadership skills, and character, I think his learning curve will be a short one.

I will leave you with this question: WHEN Orton breaks out of that “shell” where will his talent hit its’ ceiling?

Man I can not wait for the season to begin. GO BRONCOS!

PS… Im opening a new kool-aid stand…..Who wants to make bets on the first MSM cough cough choke “professional” ahem writer/analyst (I think I threw up in my mouth a little)…. to buy the FIRST GALLON?

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Aug 11, 2009 11:07 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Fantastic Post

Thanks Dude!

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Aug 11, 2009 11:21 PM MDT reply actions  

I love Abiding here

This might be my favorite article from you yet, great job!

by studbucket on Aug 11, 2009 11:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Great Post Dude

Thanks for all the work…Too bad the MSM (with all their resources) and some “fans” can’t (won’t) take the time to educate themselves so that they can make (at least) informed commentary and honest reporting…Thanks, rec’d as well!

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 12, 2009 5:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Rec'd!!!

Thanks for taking the time to go through all the game film for us.

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Aug 12, 2009 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

For what its worth, here is my unscientific analysis.

To me, Griese was a 1 step forward, 2 steps back QB. Plummer was 2F, 1B. Plummer also seemed to have difficulty throwing from the pocket and reading defenses. Elway was a 3+F,1+B, BUT, unlike the others, had the ability to go 5B,7F, and WHATEVER combination he had, he LED the team and we usually won. With Cutler, we THOUGHT (or at least I thought) that we were getting an Elway-like QB. The athletic ability is there. I definitely don’t think the leadership and decision-making ability is. I haven’t seen enough of Orton to know how good he is. From what little I have seen, he seems like a 2F, 1B guy with the ability to throw from the pocket. If he can lead and and read defenses, then the upside is greater. Right now, I am keeping him as a 2F,1B kind of guy.

Another way I have thought about it is, with Griese if we made 1 key mistake in the game, we could still win. With Plummer, we could make 2 (and I used to count, and it usually came out that way, I knew that when we made that third mistake we couldn’t make it up). With Elway, we could make 5+. Cutler seemed to be all over the board to me and I never pegged him. Sometimes he seemed like the guy who you felt you were always in the game with if you had him on your team, sometimes it felt like he could never do more that 2 things right per game. Hopefully, Orton is a 3+ mistake guy, which is where I put Roethlisberger. A lot of the reason that he wins is because of the strength of the overall team. I think that is the combination that McD is shooting for with Orton, and he had with Cassell last year.
 
I apologize for rambling.

by Orange Crush II on Aug 12, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions  

Your are right

I should probably down grade Roethlisberger to a 2F,1B kind of guy. He had that 32 TD, 11 IINT season, but followed it with a 17 TD, 15 INT performance. I only got to watch a few of his games last year, but I saw him come through in some clutch situations. It goes to my overall point that it they won due to the strength of their team, and the QB played his role. A lot of his contribution isn’t captured in stats. I am thinking that if KO works out, he wins in a similar way. Although his intangibles, such as pocket passing, cerebral play, and leadership,will differ somewhat from Ben’s. Ben is physical, improvises well under pressure, seems to possess leaderhip, to name a few.

by Orange Crush II on Aug 13, 2009 7:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice point

I think of what you are describing as trustworthiness. Elway’s teammate always trusted that no matter how poorly he had played up to that point, John could raise his game and lead the team to victory. I think, to a lesser degree, that Pitt feels that way about Big Ben. They believe that no matter how rough a game he has had, if they can keep it close, Big Ben will find a way to win. From listening to Chi players I think the Bears players had a lot of trust in Orton. Maybe not that he would win, but that he would certainly give it his best effort.

In contrast, I get the feeling that Bronco players, like a lot of Bronco fans, did not have the same trust in their former QB. If he was having a good game he would probably have a great game. But if he was having a bad game, there was little sense that he could elevate his game, and the players around him. There was a sense of resignation.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 12, 2009 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

You said it better than I did.

I certainly felt that way about Cutler, and that gave me a lot of doubt as to whether he was ever going to be the super star that I thought that he would be. With the game on the line, or even when just trying to build a lead, Cutler seemed to make mistakes at the most inopportune moments. He seemed down right sloppy to me at times. I think that it goes back to what is in his head and his heart. One day I hope we find out what McD’s evaluation really was. Personally, I am glad that his philosophy seems to be winning based on the strength of the overall team. Hopefully, Cutler’s trade accelerated his grand plan, and KO is a good fit for his philosophy.

by Orange Crush II on Aug 13, 2009 7:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, Big Ben was sacked 46 times

I took that number from hosted.stats.com. But I take your point. Every team has certain weaknesses and with PITT one certainly was it’s O line. A great defense makes up for a lot of mistakes. They also had a good rushing attack, and their QB’s rating was 80.1, only .05 off from Orton’s. Actually, Ben’s numbers and Orton’s are nearly identical, other than sacks – I linked each to their player page for those who are interested.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 12, 2009 5:36 PM MDT reply actions  

A most excellent post Dude.

I’ve been in “De-briefing” mode catching up from attending Camp yesterday. I saw the amount of comments and knew I had to reserve a block of time to ingest it all. Your articles are always well worth the wait. Thanks for doing the homework Bro!

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 12, 2009 8:36 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice post

And thanks for the stats broncobear. What i found most interesting was his improvement from 2005 to 2008. Not only does he go from a 52% rating to 59% but he throws for 1000 more yards in the process. But more telling is while getting sacked about the same amount of time 30 to 27 and throwing for 1000 more yards he doubled his touchdowns from 9 to 18 while reducing his interceptions by 1. I remember thinking before that he was learning as he grew and I look forward to his continued learning now. While I’m thinking about it, and this may have already been mentioned but I wonder if any of those boo birds considered the possibility that if you go one on one with the same person over and over again that you are going to start recognizing tendencies and you get to know just how fast that ball will be coming your way so play to that. These guys know each other. The real test for the defense will come playing against those they don’t know well and for the offense playing against a defense that doesn’t know them that well. Just a thought.

by DBCLASS on Aug 12, 2009 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kirk,

Thanks!! And awesome reporting from Camp, my man!!!!!

by TJ Johnson on Aug 12, 2009 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

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