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Coverage of BMarsh trial

For anyone interested, Klis is getting updates from reporter Lindsay Jones from the Atlanta courtroom where Brandon's 2009 season may be decided. The 6-person jury was appointed by 10am (4 women, 2 men, for whatever that's worth), and opening arguments are over and done with. Looks like updates are being posted here.

I sure hope 1) that justice is served and 2) that Marshall is deemed innocent. He's still a big factor in this offense's potential effectiveness.

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by weazel on Aug 13, 2009 2:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Man

I hate lies.

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 13, 2009 3:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Especially when there's no way to know who's doin' it

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 13, 2009 3:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Women May Help the Defendant

I think women are often tougher on women and their motives than men, so I don’t necessarily think that having women on the jury hurts Marshall. It really all depends on who they believe and what they believe the motives were of each person in having this matter come to a criminal trial.

by Baltimore Bronco on Aug 13, 2009 4:00 PM MDT reply actions  

My lawyer friends have told me...

…that women on juries are typicaly harder on women as witnesses and defendants.

Working in law enforcement (as I do now), I can tell you that the women I work with are much better at getting to the bottom of a woman’s story than we guys are. I see a crying woman with a hard luck story, and at least my first reaction is to want to help. My female colleagues skip that right away, and are instantly trying to assess the truth (which is what any investigator should be doing).

BTW, if this trial is criminal (not civil), the standard of proof is higher than just whom the jury believes. To come to trial, there has to be enough evidence to convince the prosecutor, and there has to be enough that the judge allows the case to proceed. Even if the jury seems to base a decision on whom they tend to believe (preponderance), the judge can at anytime end the trial or over rule the jury for lack of evidence.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 13, 2009 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have heard that too.

I don’t see this as being anything good, Marshall may have a lengthy suspension over it.

by bfree2bronc on Aug 13, 2009 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hopefully someone with more legal experience can clarify this..

but unless all 6 jury members vote against Marshall, the case would be thrown in Marshall’s favor correct? Due to a split jury?

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 13, 2009 4:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Georgia

The Georgia Constitution provides the right to a jury. Article I Paragraph XI. A typical jury consists of 12 jurors UNLESS the General Assembly prescribes any number, not less than six, for courts of limited jurisdiction and in superior courts in misdemeanor cases.

Remember that BMarsh is being tried for a misdemeanor, not a felony.

The timeline is typically presentation of evidence by witnesses brought by the prosecution, then cross-examination of witnesses by the defense. The prosecutor may or may not re-examine the witness after the defense cross-examination. If so, then the defense may ask questions again as long as they are in the scope of the questions and answers previously presented.

Next up is the defense presentation of evidence by witnesses brought by the defense, cross-examination of those witnesses by the prosecution, and possible re-examination and re-cross.

Once the evidence is presented, good practice calls for the prosecutor to ask for a directed verdict of guilty. That means the Court makes the decision of guilty without the assistance of the jury. This rarely is granted. On the other hand, after the prosecutor closes his arguments, the defense also asks for a directed verdict of not guilty. (See Georgia Statutes O.C.G.A. 9-11-50) Again the Court makes the decision and a directed verdict is often granted.

The jury gets the case after closing arguments and after the Court gives the case to them for deliberation.

In civil cases, the “burden of proof” is typically the “preponderance” of evidence. That means basically that all things being equal, the greater weight or more credible evidence or more convincing evidence favors either the prosecution or the defense. Nothing is determined until the “burden” of proving something is met. This is NOT a civil case.

In criminal cases, the “burden of proof” is typically “beyond a reasonable doubt.” This means basically that the evidence necessary for a conviction has been fully satisfied, entirely convincing, and satisfied to a moral certainty that guilt is established. Each state has a slightly different definition, but they are generally the same for purposes of this brief post. BMarsh’s cases, while only a misdemeanor, IS a criminal case.

One interesting thing about a 6-member jury is that it MUST be a unanimous decision. 12-member juries do not always have to bring a unanimous decision. So the answer to your question is, if there is no unanimous decision then BMarsh goes free.

The jury may return a not guilty verdict or a guilty verdict on each charge presented to it. However, even if the jury returns a guilty verdict good practice by the defense is to ask for a judgment notwitnstanding the verdict dismissing the case. Such a motion is usually made on legal grounds rather than evidentiary grounds. An example might be for prosecutorial misconduct for failing to reveal all the evidence in its possession that might have exonerated BMarsh.

Finally, even if there is a guilty verdict there may not be a severe punishment. The Court may decide to impose a small fine, or a fine with some probation, or some other light sentence that may ultimately result in his criminal record being expunged.

Judges and juries are somewhat unpredictible. However, I have never lost in court because I’ve always presented the best evidence and argued using applicable law to present the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I may not have always gotten everything I was asking for, but good practice demands that you should always ask for more than you expect but what is also reasonable. That combination always wins cases.

One thing I can tell you for sure. Judges and juries do not take kindly to evasiveness and lying. They will see right through you. Judges especially are presented with evasive and lying witnesses every day and are hyper-sensitive.

by Endzone on Aug 13, 2009 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Is this correct?
Once the evidence is presented, good practice calls for the prosecutor to ask for a directed verdict of guilty. That means the Court makes the decision of guilty without the assistance of the jury.

This is certainly not the case in Colorado, and would seem to take away the right to trial by jury.
Also:

So the answer to your question is, if there is no unanimous decision then BMarsh goes free.

Not true in Colorado- if the jury can’t reach a unanimous verdict, it’s a “hung jury” and the court would declare a mistrial, which would mean doing it all over again.

He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.

by bradley on Aug 14, 2009 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you for this insight

I appreciate you taking the time to share it with us, my friend

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 14, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I remember what you're talking about..

I just don’t remember if it’s the same situation. 11 arrests in like 4 years is a lot to keep track of. haha

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 13, 2009 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah I found this on PFT

<strong>BANGZIP

This is to crazy to even call right now. Get your popcorn ready.

by Syndor on Aug 13, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Both teams of attorneys (and the judge) know all of the facts.

It can only get to this stage if -

1. The prosecutor believes the defendent is guilty AND believes he (prosecutor) can prevail in the case,

2. The judge rules that there is enough evidence of wrongdoing to justify a trial.

Only the defense counsel is not bound to believe one way or the other as to what the evidence may or may not prove. His job is to present the best case for his client within the boundries of the rules.

It isn’t a perfect system, but (as the cliche goes) it is the best. I’ll support the verdict.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 13, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's toast for the first 3 games then, and the tight end's/running backs amy take up the slack.

This all just might fall right into our hands if the opposing teams see a different slant on our offense until he gets back.

by bfree2bronc on Aug 13, 2009 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mistrial

Harvey Steinberg made the right call asking for a mistrial. The Colorado false imprisonment, DUI, and March 2009 incidents are NOT the subject of this trial, have not been reduced to any verdicts (they are only charges), and should never have been allowed to be mentioned AT ALL because they are prejudicial and not facts. I find it pretty outrageous that the Court denied the motion.

by Endzone on Aug 13, 2009 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Credibility

Yeah. I don’t think Rasheeda is very credible. Steinberg is using those letters to attack her credibility.

by Endzone on Aug 13, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

well played on his part.

Peyton Hillis is also referred to in early Greek mythology by his other names such as Zeus or Poseidon.

by Joe Medina on Aug 13, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Both sides have rested, according to DP

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_13086039
Court resumes at 1:20 EDT, for closing arguments. Then the jury will retire to deliberate.

He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.
From The Big Law, by Chuck Logan

by bradley on Aug 14, 2009 11:20 AM MDT reply actions  

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