San Francisco 49ers 17 - Denver Broncos 16 - Kyle Orton struggles in preseason debut
FInal
| Category | Broncos | 49ers |
| Score | 16 | 17 |
| Rushing Yards |
110 | 136 |
| Passing Yards |
231 | 142 |
| Total Yards | 341 | 278 |
| T.O.P | 31:42 |
28:18 |
Let's start where everyone will with the game - Kyle Orton. Obviously Orton did not play well. He showed glimpses at times and seemed to move the ball well against the 49ers first-team defense. Crucial mistakes, however, cost him, and the team. Orton threw three interceptions, one in the end zone, and seemed to let the game get away from him a bit. After starting the game 5/5, Orton finished the half 4/11 with those 3 picks. It will obviously do nothing to stop the backlash towards Josh McDaniels, both inside and outside the fanbase. That's unfortunate, but it comes with the territory.
I said prior to the game that I was going to watch the quarterbacks to see if their footwork was right. To see if there were reacting, making quick decisions. Kyle Orton did none of these things. He had happy feet all night. He looked like a player that was thinking instead of playing and reacting. Part of that could be fact that Orton is still learning the offense. Part of it was Kyle Orton making poor decisions and poor throws. I got the feeling Josh McDaniels threw a little bit of everything at Kyle Orton to get a sense, both physically and mentally, of where he is with the playbook. Test failed. It was a night to forget for Orton, but luckily, and please keep this in mind, we are still 29 days from the opener. There is plenty of time to fix what went wrong.
Chris Simms played well, even though the offense didn't seem as complicated(formations and play-calls). You wouldn't expect the Broncos to throw their whole playbook at the 2nd team players. You can't ignore, however, how Simms played. If tonight's QB performances did re-open the QB battle then Chris Simms needs to get time with the first unit. He needs to get time against an opponent's 1st team defense. If that happens next week that will tell the tale.The other huge concern for the Broncos is Knowshon Moreno who left the game in the 2nd quarter with a knee sprain. He will reportedly have MRI tomorrow. The Broncos do have depth at running back, but losing Moreno for any length of time would be a crushing blow.
On the bright side, Peyton Hillis is proving his worth to the new coaching staff. Hills ran 10 times for 49 yards, and added 19 more in receptions. That is Hillis' game and the Broncos will find a way to get him on the field this season.
Eddie Royal is a super star. This year Brandon Marshall wants big-time money. It won't be long until Eddie comes calling as well.
One thing is for sure after watching the Broncos for 60 minutes. Mike Nolan's defense will be better, no doubt about it. Yes there were some let-downs and the team still needs to work on getting off the field on 3rd down. What I was looking for, however, was an aggressive style, with guys flying around. I saw that the entire game. I also liked, for the most part, what I saw from the inner triangle against the run. There were times, which are to be expected right now, that the linebackers looked a bit confused, but for the most part this group is coming along nicely. Four Broncos' sacks prove that.
Brian Dawkins will help the defense a lot when he is on the field. I am definitely excited to watch this unit gorw throughout the season.
This is what the pre-season is for. There was some good, there was some bad. Acknowledge it, learn from it, and get better. That is the idea, and that is what Josh McDaniels and the Broncos are goig to do.
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Grades:
RB – A
Special Teams – A-
TE – A (yay Putzier! Like a beefy Eddie Mac in #87!)
WR – A
OL – A
DL – B
Secondary – B-
Simms – B+
Orton – Wow… Really?
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
All in all I thought it was a great first preseason game.
The defense looked vastly improved, the ST looked impressive, and the offense is getting there pretty quickly.
Orton looked like he read/heard all the stuff people are saying, MSM, fans, etc, and came out thinking he needed to prove everyone wrong, and not just play the game, IMO
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Aug 14, 2009 11:17 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Sure ...
It was against the niners’ and sans Frank Gore! I was glad to see the defense being competent, but just like it is too quick to judge Orton, let’s watch the defense closely these next few days. Seattle should be a good measure, as should the Culter-led Bears.
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
It was how the defense did what they did, not necessarily the result. Same with Orton. It wasn’t the 3 picks, it was how he went about throwing them that troubled me.
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by John Bena on Aug 14, 2009 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The progression got me...
The first one was “whatever”.
The second one was “oooh… Not good.”
The third one was “oh my god you are as bad as Chi told me you were”.
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two bad decisions and an underthrown ball to an open receiver
There’s your three picks. If Orton had been solid we might have seen Brandstater, but as it was McDaniels might have left Simms in to see what his alternative is if Orton can’t get straightened out.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Aug 14, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its like post Elway QBs are cursed to throw INTs
kinda like playing against odds :)
by isiddiqi on Aug 14, 2009 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elway threw 'em too
He just made up for them with actual touchdowns. ^^
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by broncosmontana on Aug 15, 2009 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed agreed...
The defense looked a lot more like … um… well … a defense. Except for that 3rd and 15 early on, but they showed much more in this game than they have in a while. … And tru dat about Orton: even without the pics he played very scary! Doesn’t look like a starting QB!
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without ...
the awesome left-handed passing skills. And with what we saw tonight, the right-handed passin’ skilz
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember what people were saying l;ast year about Cassel
by isiddiqi on Aug 14, 2009 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Delhomme threw 5 ints in the playoffs last year.
Cold comfort… But comfort none the less.
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling...
Cassel will not be the all-of-a-sudden super star we think he was. He is playing with the Chiefs, thus I am not expecting him to look as good. Kinda like Bubby Brister without the 98 Bronco offense: you’re good because you’re team is freakin’ awesome.
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and I would like to keep it that way ;)
by isiddiqi on Aug 14, 2009 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Granted....
but I think his point is that Cassel with that “freakin’ awesome” team during the preseason last year looked awful. Orton has more experience and ability than Caseel and therefore should be given at least another preseason game or two before we toss him out for Simms who played well, but against the lower string defense and with a clearly simpler game plan. Plus, I still liked Orton’s “Plummer-esque” attitude and demeanor on the sideline before, during and after all of those INT’s.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 14, 2009 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No to "pee in the fire"...
But Cassel was a rare exception to the rule (and didn’t really accomplish anything – and won’t because he’s with the Chiefs). He’s a Flutie… A Griese… A Garcia… A Maddox… Someone who stepped in with a superior team and didn’t mess up. Orton’s claim to fame is that he was better than Rex Grossman… Ugh… He better be better than Simms, because he ain’t thus far!
J
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree at all....
with your assessment of Cassel (and Grossman, for that matter). But Orton actually has some NFL history, and with a very sub-par offensive team, and there’s a lot of positive there, whereas Cassel didn’t. Look, I’m not going to defend Orton to the death as a great QB. He’s not…..plain and simple. But do I think tonight is indicative of what we could expect from him in this offense? Of course not. And do I think he’s far and away a better QB than Simms? Absolutely! Not even close.
Your assessment of Orton to SImms isn’t even close to fair or rational if you’re basing it on a half of preseason football for each player. Again, this isn’t to knock Simms; he played well tonight. But each player’s history prior to coming here has to mean something too (at this point, until we have more to go on). And as much it seems you think Orton has to prove, I feel Simms has a lot more to prove. Personally, I’d like to Simms start next week and get some reps against the first team D and get more of the play book thrown at him (as Orton had tonight). If Simms performs like he did tonight, THEN maybe I’ll be ready to replace Orton with Simms.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
No way Orton has more ability than Cassel
Orton won games in chicago because of there incredible Defense..Plus Hester
You guys are in some trouble this year..But I admire your optimism..
I have you guys picked last in the division this year, and this game didn’t prove that theory wrong..
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 15, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're basing predictions
and theories based on the very first exhibition game then I have nothing more to say to you. Cheers.
by underdog on Aug 15, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"No way Orton has more ability than Cassel Orton won games in chicago because of there incredible Defense..Plus Hester"
And Cassell won games in NE despite a lousy Patriots team?
He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.
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by bradley on Aug 15, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Incredible defense =
ranked 21st.
I’m through with this guy. NEXT!
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
cassel started how many games in college and in the pros before preseason last year?
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 14, 2009 11:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm....
that would be…. ZERO.
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by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 1:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreno
I did not catch any of the game. How serious did it appear? Any early speculation?
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by The Heat on Aug 14, 2009 11:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't look bad...
He got hit on a play, was hopping around, then looked to re-injur it during one of the interceptions…Walked off the field.
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by John Bena on Aug 14, 2009 11:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know we wanted to see him play as fans...
…but if this guy was the stud we were told he was, he didn’t need to play.
J
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not realistic at all.
You don’t just sit through the preseason, especially after a holdout and being a rookie, then jump in during the regular season and perform. Sorry, but not sure you’re being rational or logical on that one. Everybody plays, everybody has a chance to get hurt… just bad luck. And it happens every year during the preseason and every year some fans are saying that same thing…. “why did we play him during the preseason?” And the reason is because it’s absolutely necessary for the player to get up to game speed (esp. for a rookie) and for coaches evaluations of that player. It sucks, but it’s really no different then if a player goes down in the first game of the season. Does anyone say, “Well, why didn’t wait to play him until week 6 or 7 when it really starts to matter?” Football is rough and injuries will happen, preseason, regular season, post season. Teams need to deal with them and move on. And I think we have a built a team, especially at RB, that is well equipped to handle these “natural disasters”.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 14, 2009 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you and respect what you're saying...
But he didn’t have to play tonight. He held out until last week. At the very least he wasn’t conditioned or ready to carry the rock like he did… Give him a week to at least come close to catching up.
J
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you this one, J
I was disappointed with the decision to start him this game, especially after McDaniels stated that Moreno was behind on his conditioning compared to the rest of the team (and the rest of the NFL).
I respect the coach’s intellect and will hope it turns out OK, but I personally don’t get it. And that’s from a guy who has been a Moreno apologist from the beginning.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait....
I don’t recall McD ever saying Moreno was behind on conditioning. All I ever heard him say was he was behind on the playbook, the scheme, the offensive language, etc. Maybe I’m mistaken again, but I never heard McD say that Moreno was out of condition. Which, as I’ve stated a few times already, his injury had little to nothing to do with conditioning. It was a “football” injury that could’ve happened to him regardless of sub-par or superior physical conditioning.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
again, I just don’t agree that conditioning had ANYthing to do with his injury. Maybe I’m wrong, but he looked in football shape to me. He only held out a little over a week. We’re not talking weeks or months here. That on top of the fact that the injury seemed to be one of those fluke injuries that happens during the course of a play and not even remotely related to conditioning or training, and it makes little sense to me to hold him out until next week when every rep of experience, especially for a rookie, means so much. But, either way, by all initial accounts, it wasn’t serious and he’ll be back fairly soon…..I hope.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, that being said...
I also wouldn’t have argued his being held out. I guess my main point is that he seemed to be in great condition on all of his other runs tonight AND, I can’t reiterate this enough, I don’t believe his injury had anything to do with conditioning. I’m not a doctor or trainer or physical therapist or anything, so what do I know? But I’ve watched the replay several times and don’t see how another week or two or 10 would’ve made a bit of difference on that one.
I suppose it doesn’t really matter at this point, anyway. I just hope he’s okay and can still be the super stud many of us believe he will be. He sure looked damn good on the few carries he had tonight!
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
No matter what condition he was in, you can’t train to avoid gettin rolled up on
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by Zogernaut on Aug 15, 2009 1:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless, Moreno had to play
The conditioning issue is not so much a concern as he was working out everyday down South during his holdout. As a player he was keeping his body where it needed to be. As far as playing, sure, McD could have held him out due to his short tenure in camp and learning the playbook, but there are a few PR issues that come into play. The Fans wanted to see the new star of the team, and so does Bowlen. Even for just a few plays if nothing else. Denver needed to show off their new RB.
So he plays, and Moreno gets 9 yards from scrimmage on his first run. I was excited to see it. Imagine if McD DIDN’T play Moreno. The heat would have come down on the rookie coach like he wouldnt believe. The only excuse would have been “he’s not ready”, then the media would have been all over it. Injury is a chance that every healthy player takes, like it or not. In this case he was taken off the field, and not a big deal as I see it.
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by Denver Diehard on Aug 15, 2009 6:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All good points, but
If he doesn’t get hurt, we are all excited to have got to see him show his stuff
by BroncoSense72 on Aug 15, 2009 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you sir.
Also how did Doom look? That was something I wanted to keep an eye on. Is he going to be able to hang in coverage?
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by The Heat on Aug 14, 2009 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doom?
Had a sack!
Let’s not forget the 4 sacks tonight! That was huge! No turnovers though… ugh… How I miss those.
J
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacks and Pressure
Will go a long way to help this defense, and keep Champ as one of the best corners in the game.
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
by The Heat on Aug 14, 2009 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just rewatched the game (DVR=awesome). Moreno will not be out long. He was injured at the end of the int return when a guy blocked him from the side while his knee was semi planted. He may be out a few days, but it did not look bad.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 14, 2009 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he looked really good too didn't he?
One of the many bright spots tonight
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 14, 2009 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also recorded it and just went over and you can see in his last run he limps a bit but seems to shake it off. Then in the third int. return you can see how he is being blocked and steeps awkward on his LEFT leg so I’m guessing it’s his left knee the problem. But by looking at that I still Can’t tell how serious the injury might be, I’m hoping for the best. All we can do is wait until the MRI results tomorrow if McD decided to give them out.
P.S. Moreno is a monster and showed us in his only carries why we picked him 12th overall.
by DnA on Aug 15, 2009 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's preseason!
If Moreno’s injury is minor, I think this was a fairly successful debate for McDaniel’s and his warriors! The defense looked better and the offense moved the ball against their 1st team defense.
We will be better next week.
by Bronco Bob on Aug 14, 2009 11:23 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I guess ...
this is why not holding out is important! he hadn’t played much until tonight!
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really sure....
you can equate the holdout with his injury, if that’s what you were getting at. His injury happened during the course of normal football plays, actually one happened on an interception. Had nothing to do with his training, conditioning, coaching, playing or anything else. It was just football. I agree with McGeorge. From all indications it looks like he’ll be fine. However, IF for some reason he wasn’t, just as with so many other positions on our team, we have ample depth to make up for it. It would be a huge loss, to be sure, but that “bloated” stable of RB’s that McD has been chided for a few times is looking smarter all the time. Not to mention the talent and execution of some of the backs that were chosen….except for “Jordan up the middle”. :-)
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by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 14, 2009 11:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
Looks like Orton was given just about every available formation to play out of. He made a couple bad decisions, but that’s to be expected at this point. He also looked like he was tentative — which should also be expected at this point with the complexity of the offense.
Simms looked good; still, he was playing a much more vanilla offense than the one Orton was running out there.
Too soon to panic. Reggie Rivers’ interview with Orton after the game was telling: Orton put it all on himself, said he’ll have things to learn from, and showed no lack of confidence.
Was glad to see we generated some pressure on defense, including a push up front at times. Not happy about the third and long conversions we gave up; this has been a problem for several years now.
by JeffG on Aug 14, 2009 11:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
"That's to be expected..."
He’s not a rookie… He needs to do better or Simms will bench his butt.
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
New offense, new WRs, new TEs, new RBs, new OLine and new coaching staff
That’s about as close as you get to being like a rookie as a vet.
Course I don’t know many fans who can become comfortable with a 250+page playbook in a few short weeks either, but hey, they expect more I suppose.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Aug 14, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and did I mention the entire offense has to get use to that new scheme too.
They’re not going to be anywhere near comfortable in Week 1 of Preseason.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Aug 14, 2009 11:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
He is not a rookie and a pre-season game shouldn’t have rattled him that much
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't look "rattled"
This is a complex offense. He’s still thinking his way through reads, and he and his receivers need to be on the same page. For what it’s worth, on the Bly interception, it looked to me like he thought Stokely was going to cut back inside.
It was no accident that we saw so many formations for Orton out there. Baptism by fire. As he gets more comfortable, he’ll cut down on the mistakes. But let’s be reasonable: he moved the ball well on a several drives. And had this been a “normal” pre-season game, we may have only seen him for that first lengthy drive, and may be saying different things right now.
He stayed out their to get more experience playing a new offense against a first team D at full speed. He has a month — 3 more games and however many more practices — to learn, adjust, and get comfortable both with his receivers and the system. And the receivers have that same opportunity.
by JeffG on Aug 14, 2009 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
At the speed of the NFL game
If you are still thinking (about a complex system) and not just reacting, you are going to have some struggles…I was dissapointed in KO last night but also believe he will bounce back and be successful with managing this offense
by BroncoSense72 on Aug 15, 2009 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was definately more good than bad
And despite the INTs, any reasonably sane person would expect a new QB in a new offense to be behind the Defense.
Once Orton gets to the point he is comfortable with the offense and not over thinking as appeared the case tonight he will look better.
The better news was the play of the defense and ST. After three years of watching conservative defenses we’re finally going to see some aggression. The speed, discipline and playmaking improvement was obvious even in the first preseason game. No longer will Broncos fans be embarrassed to watch a defense. It may not end up being the best, but it’s already a big improvement. How about the Punter, eh? Two potential weapons from the punting spot. Booming kicks.
There were mistakes, but better to make those mistakes now than in Weeks 15-17 like last year. Now they have film on those mistakes and can work to improve them. They continue the work tomorrow. Rome was not built in a day and neither is a entirely new football team with new schemes on both sides of the ball and a lot of new players.
This game provided a lot of good foundation pieces to build upon.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Aug 14, 2009 11:29 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
Much was better tonight than in the past. Plus it had a freshness coming from a new coach. Kind of a new look and feeling with not knowing what the new guy was going to do. Looks like an emphasis on running and solid D. Bronco fans can’t argue with that…. Now if we get the QB goin’ we’ll be in business!
J
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The defense and special teams did look good out there.
I also thought the offense looked like it has a ton of potential and could be absolutely dominant with the consistent play of a quarterback. Lots to look forward to after this game.
by Kapiti on Aug 14, 2009 11:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big +1!
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 14, 2009 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares?
I care about the one released just before week 1 of regular season…
by isiddiqi on Aug 14, 2009 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that we showed a lot of growth out there tonight
The DLine got penetration and made some plays, McBath and the Phonz played well. I noticed Reid was in the game, and my Fave Baker looked good. Orton still needs to get used to the fact that he has more time to throw. The ST’s were vastly improved and the gunners and gunner blockers did really well, IMO. After the 2nd pick, I knew that the masses would be calling for Orton AND Joshes heads. Next it will be Simms deserves to start. I’m still grinning and not worried.
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by KaptainKirk on Aug 14, 2009 11:32 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
"Orton still needs to get used to the fact that he has more time to throw."
Interesting thought, Kap.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 14, 2009 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big +1 on Baker!
He got good penetration, made a sack, disrupted the backfield, and looked BIG. Won’t be long before he’s pushing Fields for more PT.
Just my opinion, though. Still, I felt real good about our chances after watching, no matter how KO played. Marched down the field, was perfect on the drive, and got baited by one of the best CB’s in the game. Ran into quicksand afterwards, but he’ll get coached up, and will overcome. I mean, they didn’t give Clements 80mil for nothing…
No inspirational quote here, just this...GO BRONCOS!!!
by Zogernaut on Aug 15, 2009 2:06 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
" Big +1 on Baker! "
Baker was the absolute steal of the draft! Oh wait, he wasn’t even drafted.
He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.
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by bradley on Aug 15, 2009 5:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't stop smiling about that guy
: D <—- SEE??
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by broncosmontana on Aug 15, 2009 7:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed abd rec'd
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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Aug 15, 2009 6:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As expected, McDaniels looks to be staying the course...
McDaniels reaffirms orton is his guy: "I still have faith in him." Said he won’t make "knee jerk reactions"
-TSG
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by John Bena on Aug 14, 2009 11:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Until he tosses up 3 more in the next game...
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he won't throw 3 more next game
by isiddiqi on Aug 14, 2009 11:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He couldn't... could he?
I mean really? An off night is an off night…. But two games in a row is an off year.
J
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Cutler just put up a 30 qb rating vs. Buffalo
Maybe they’ll send him back here.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I’d hope after two they’d pull him for someone else
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was
wondering that too … I definitely wanted to see him
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to see Brandstater too but...
i’d rather have the two quarterbacks that have a chance at being the starting quarterback getting the reps.
by Kapiti on Aug 14, 2009 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah ...
but this super silly part of me hopes Brandstarter is the new Tom Brady! I guess that shows I am not really sure of Orton or Simms.. .. But Simms actually looked aight tonight
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Brady didn't become...
Tom Brady until his second season if you know what I mean.
by Kapiti on Aug 14, 2009 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru dat
but wouldn’t it be nice to just get that super bowl now and not have to wait.
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
They’re not playing the SB til February — we can still make it! : )
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 15, 2009 7:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Orton has already played a few seasons, so you can't compare him to Brady at all
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 15, 2009 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe they are talking about Brandstater
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
by c_style on Aug 15, 2009 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll get field time in the 3rd and/or 4th preseason game.
Right now it’s much more important to get Kyle Orton and Chris Simms comfortable in the new offense in game scenarios.
Because of all the newness with the Broncos this year, you can expect the top QBs to play a little more in the preseason than in the past.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Aug 14, 2009 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
We’re most likely not getting a Super Bowl this year and CERTAINLY not with Brandstater (meaning this year, maybe someday). Brandstater will play, but with all of the changes, new players, new schemes, etc. Orton and Simms need as many reps as possible to get them ready for the regular season. TomB will play, but he’s a project, not a solution for this year…..not even close. I do like the kid, though. But “next Tom Brady”? Hmmm…. let’s not get ahead of ourselves just yet. I mean, come on. How long have we all been waiting for the “next John Elway” or “next Terrell Davis”. There’s a reason why players like that don’t come along very often.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 14, 2009 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
People say that Simms was playing against...
a 2nd team defense but he was also playing with a second team offense.
by Kapiti on Aug 14, 2009 11:40 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
But it was a niner
second team defense. … The Niners are lacking in talent all around afterall
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know... We really should have beat the Niners... Damn!
by Jezru on Aug 14, 2009 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
they really aren’t good.
~me
by vincerelli on Aug 14, 2009 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh.
The raiders won today too. I’m not worried about preseason wins and losses.
No stairway... Denied!
by papigrande on Aug 15, 2009 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
The Raiders won today and yesterday? Maybe I should worry about them more than I was. ;-) (Just teasing.)
I’m not worried either!
by underdog on Aug 15, 2009 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got both of their wins for the season out of the way in the same weekend. ;)
No stairway... Denied!
by papigrande on Aug 15, 2009 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 1:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 1:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
we played pretty poorly against some pretty bad teams last year. Take away the INTs, which are coachable, and we had a pretty decent showing, IMHO.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 15, 2009 7:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 2nd team defense argument doesn't mean much to me really...
Just like Kapiti said, we had our second team offense out there. The playing field was pretty much level as far as I’m concerned. With that in mind, I have some predictions for the preseason depth charts:
1. Kyle Orton WILL keep the job unless he throws away his chances next week. Then it will be an open competition I think.
2. Peyton Hillis is climbing up the depth chart fast. LaMont Jordan is sliding like a kid on a waterslide.
3. Spencer Larsen might be giving Andra Davis a long run for his money. Expect that position to be a strength this year.
4. Our defensive line is a lot better than anyone will admit to. Not only that, but our backup guys have some good potential. Remember, inside competition is always a good thing.
5. Our pass defense needs work. No doubt about it. Denver’s always seemed to have a problem defending the pass in the mid-range game. Rest your heads though, once Brian Dawkins shows up, he’s bringing a hell of a lot more than just his body with him. He’s bringing an attitude that can’t be replicated.
6. Our offensive line has good depth all the way across. No sacks allowed tonight makes me a happy boy.
7. Our ability to stop the run and keep pressure on throughout the game will save us on more than one occasion this year. Count on that. We were pretty dang good inside the red zone defensively. Now we just need to work out the third down defense and lay off the blitz so much on a 3rd down situation.
Awesome game, and I finally feel a little fulfilled. A little bit.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Aug 14, 2009 11:49 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Totally agree about Hillis vs Jordan
It’s very early but PH already looks ready for the season and Jordan looks even more mediocre than I expected. And Hillis is so versatile. I think he and Moreno and Buckhalter will give them the best trio and the best chance to win. And yeah the OL looked good.
by underdog on Aug 14, 2009 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 1:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back up O Line looked good as well.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Aug 15, 2009 7:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peyton Hillis looked like a stud...
but of course we already knew that. I think Moreno and Hillis will be the two mainstays at running back, at least I hope so.
by Kapiti on Aug 14, 2009 11:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope The Stormin Mormon replaces Andra Davis early in the season...
Spencer is a stud.
Agree on the DLine looking good too. McBean has more talent than I gave him credit for.
Taylor Mays in '10
by donbok1 on Aug 15, 2009 1:26 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've been watching
McBean since the second day of camp. He is a real asset to this team. Glad to nsee nsomebody else noticed him as well.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Aug 15, 2009 7:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McBean played like a stud
I thought the D line showed marked improvement…They were getting good initial push and it was great seeing some sacks
by BroncoSense72 on Aug 15, 2009 7:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McBean was impressive
Lots of energy and determination. I thought Kenny Peterson did well also.
He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.
From The Big Law, by Chuck Logan
by bradley on Aug 15, 2009 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back from the 'Stick
Hey all, the report above from Guru pretty much says it all but it was fun to be there live at the game even though they ultimately lost.
And I fully support McD’s decision to go for the 2 pt conversion, btw. There were a few Niner fans around me who were surprised but also said “ballsy move.” I thought it was the right one, what the check, who wants a tie or OT in exhibition. More chance for injures that way, too. Might as well go for it.
Few other observations from a few rows back of one end zone:
Both punters looked good! Not exciting I know but I was impressed by both Kern and Colquitt.
Broncos pass rush was impressive for a first game, and they stuffed the run pretty well too.
The 3rd string defense really blew the coverage on that late touchdown. That was awful, the Niners FB was wide, wide open and no one was near him til the end zone. It’s a backup D but still not a good mistake.
Looked like a clean first half from both teams overall for a first game as far as penalties and such.
Orton’s picks were all frustrating but he moved the ball well otherwise and as some of you pointed out above he also had the most complicated O to learn and implement.
I’m hopeful Knowshon is ok, seems like it. He was looking good in his few plays. The niners’ backup RB who got hurt was clearly far worse off, he had to get carted off the field and was down for awhile. Of course none of the fans around me seemed to care about him because there was some stupid fight that broke out to our left when that happened. Some fans were in regular season form already!
also, as noted here already, the pass defense could use some work but again, it’s early, there’s no B-Dawk, and so on. At least the pass rush looked good.
Simms looked good to me, but again was a less complicated offense to run. But he made some good throws and that TD was a delight (and right near me!)
Overall, for a first exhibition game with a new staff and a ton of new players, and considering I’d been more worried about the D, figure the O will be fine, I’d consider it a success even if they lost by 1.
I’d llike to see Orton get more confidence next week, make less mistakes; see Prater get a few longer field goal tries; see the D get a turnover or two; and mix it up on offense a little bit more as they get comfortable.
A lot of other Broncos fans there at the game tonight, all of us putting up with the usual drunken shouts. I mile high salute you all.
by underdog on Aug 14, 2009 11:54 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Just rewatched the game. Orton was not pressured on any of the picks. Just bad decision (#1 and #2), poor accuracy (#1 pick) and a weak arm (#3 pick).
Orton fell apart after the 1st pick. His second drive was terrible, throwing behind Stokley twice and fixing on Stokley to the point he got picked when Bly jumped the third pass Brandon’s way.
The third pick was the most distressing. No pressure, threw off his back foot and weak weak arm. It was his only long pass attempt of the night and by far his worst throw.
He does not appear to have the arm to be a good NFL QB. He better improve by leaps and bounds with his accuracy (?) and decision making (more practice). His lack of arm strength is very worrisome.
Special teams were much improved (maybe we can trade a punter for value), D-line surprised in a good way, Larsen, Elvis, DJ and Baker were great. Lot’s of positives from the D and special teams. Royal is awesome.
Was not impressed with Pittman (aka Jordan) and Gaffney was invisible (good thing BM got acquitted).
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 14, 2009 11:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It's SO early
to make judgments about Orton imho. I agree with you about at least 2 of those picks but I think he’s been an accurate QB in the past and it’s such a new offense, and it’s his first game. I plan on withholding judgment on him for a couple more exhibition games before worrying. (Simms def seems to have the better arm strength for the long ball however.)
by underdog on Aug 14, 2009 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, a 50 yard cannon that sailed into the receivers arms.
Who said Jay Cutler’s the only cat who can toss a long ball?
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Aug 14, 2009 11:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
maybe it’s just me, but, while I was impressed with his pocket presence on this play (and others), Simms’ long TD pass lazily sailed to a WIDE open McKinnley who was standing there for what seemed like minutes waiting for it to arrive. Had he not been so unbelievably wide open (either to his credit or blown coverage) that pass was deflected or picked for sure (actually, as it was, the cover man actually almost got back in time). Not trying to knock Simms, but, like so many other things in this game, I think some of the “evaluations” of individual play are getting a little blown out of proportion for a preseason game. Simms played well and Orton did not. But comparing the two given the defenses they faced and the completely different playbooks that were obviously thrown at them, I’m going to agree with dashiell and reserve judgment on either QB (positive or negative) until at least game 3 or 4 of the preseason.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think while Simms does have a pretty good arm, on that play
it did seem like blown coverage and a nice move by McK combined as much as anything. That bad D almost made up for the Broncos terrible D on the TE score for the Niners on the previous drive. ;-)
by underdog on Aug 15, 2009 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
and I’m not knocking Simms, his arm strength or solid play tonight. Only that 3 picks by Orton (only one of which might’ve had ANYthing to do with arm strength) are being compared to a 50 yard pass by Simms that was actually severely under thrown such that had the coverage not been blown and the receiver not so wide open, there would’ve been no “super strong arm” play to begin with. Again, just trying to add some perspective to the hype. It was still a great play by Simms and, facing a lower string D or not, he did look solid.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe they're talking about Brandstater
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
by c_style on Aug 15, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This posted out of place :0
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
by c_style on Aug 15, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Almost…. :-)
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he was on the run and throwing across his body (for a lefty)
So take what you will from that. Kinley’s openness, by the way, was all him. The CB cheated up, expecting a QB run and McKinley sold it 100% and then blew by him.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McKinley played well tonight
I only saw the one dropped pass. (could have been another) But he had good speed and made people miss, as a returner and a WR
by trumanj on Aug 15, 2009 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't a weak arm.
It was poor mechanics. He threw it off his back foot. It is a worrisome mistake, sure, but not one that can’t be corrected. That’s the difference: a weak arm can’t be fixed, but mechanics can. In fact, I think all the mistakes Orton made tonight can be fairly easily corrected.
No stairway... Denied!
by papigrande on Aug 15, 2009 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
And it’s not like he’s a rookie just becoming accustomed to the NFL game. He’s a gamer AND has some of the best offensive (and QB) coaches in the league. I can almost guarantee had Orton been in when Simms was in and given the much simpler playbook (that Simms was obviously running) and playing agains the lower string D, he’d have been much better. That’s not praise to Orton, but it’s perspective for all those ridiculously calling for Simms as the starter after a half of preseason football for each.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just the point I was going to make
The mechanics issue extends to Orton’s time with the Bears too. When his technique is solid, he can definitely put some zip on the ball. As has been said before, he’s capable of making all the throws required of him—he just can’t do it with poor form and motion. Everything looked very correctable.
by bowma101 on Aug 15, 2009 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"threw off his back foot"
Oh please tell me he didn’t learn that one from Sexy Rexy… :-/
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orton threw an out
In the first drive that showed his arm strength.
His problem is that he sometimes tries to finesse longer throws. The more comfortable he gets with the system, the more zip he’ll have on the ball, I figure. The first INT he misread the coverage and led Graham rather than anticipating a sit down. The second looked to me like he expected Stokely to be inside. The third was underthrown — but certainly not because he can’t throw a ball twenty yards in the air.
It’s important he struggle now, when he can learn from it. Last year, it took Cassel several weeks of games before he felt comfortable, and that may have been the difference between sitting home and going to the playoffs.
In this case, Orton has another month of pre-season games and practice to get comfortable with the system and the receivers, and for the receivers and he to get on the same page.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
How come no one is talking about the throws that Orton DID in fact show some good zip on? His INT’s or any other “soft” throws he made tonight weren’t because he can’t zip it. It’s because he’s trying too hard to put a soft touch on it; too hard for a soft touch….there’s a contradiction in terms. :-)
In any case, Orton still needs to “wing it” Cutler-style now and again, but with the same intelligence and confidence he did during that first quarter drive. And, given his history, I have no doubt he eventually will.
Why, when they are alike in a lot of ways, are so many who supported Plummer so ready to vilify Orton? I just don’t get it. Is it because Plummer was replacing crappy, unpopular QB’s and Orton replaced the supposed next coming of Elway? I suppose that’s a bit rhetorical, since the answer is pretty obvious. But, truth be told, Orton actually has a better arm (more short range zip and accuracy, anyway) and is a MUCH better decision maker than Plummer (love’em or hate’em, decision making was not one of Plummer’s strengths).
I miss Cutler’s abilities, but I don’t miss his attitude and have begun to even dislike him personally because of the true colors that have been exposed these past few months (which of course doesn’t entirely relate to how well he would’ve done here football-wise). But I’ll be the first to say we should bench Orton if and when the time calls for it. But now is most DEFINITELY not that time.
So let’s keep some perspective, and most definitely some patience, about Orton, the coaches, and the preseason results. I, for one, saw WAY more positives than negatives tonight. And the negatives I saw were mostly correctable things that a team as well coached and loaded with solid veterans and talented youngsters as we have will have no problem fixing.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
About Vilifying Orton
Well, right now it looks like Orton played the game and found at least 3 ways that won’t work. I really don’t get it. He didn’t ask for any of this. He accepted the trade, came in with a great and humble attitude, and is working very hard to grasp a master’s level offense after coming from a community college offense. What do we gain if he fails? He’s been nothing but a class act through this whole process. It’s very frustrating to watch supposed Bronco fans attack him as if he’s the one who made the off season decisions that people dislike. Stupid.
by bowma101 on Aug 15, 2009 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Shoot. Ignore the first sentence of the above comment.
I copied and pasted weird. Blah.
by bowma101 on Aug 15, 2009 12:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I stated above in another comment....
I don’t understand why so many fans who were ready and willing to support Plummer are ready to scorch Orton. The only thing I can come up with is that Plummer was replacing some bad QB’s and came in as a “savior”. Whereas Orton was replacing a "savior’ and the “next Elway” and doesn’t stand a chance unless he wins us a Super Bowl. Honestly, I almost think it’s as simple as that. The majority of fans, sadly, are misinformed, misguided and EXTREMELY fickle (that last one could probably be applied to most of us). But all in all, Orton and Plummer have a lot of the same positive traits, except that Orton actually has a better arm (at least short distance accuracy and zip) and MUCH better decision making abilities and football IQ than Plummer (and this is not meant to knock Plummer, who I really liked at the time). But it’s amazing how ridiculous, short-sighted, and irrational many of us fans can be. Just natural, I guess, when you have a fan base that has as much passion for their team as the Broncos faithful do.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 1:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Fan" is, after all, short for "fanatic"
And fanatics are rarely known as being paragons of rationality. I will still maintain that we have more here on MHR than other sites.
Broncos fans taken as a whole, however? I’ve got to admit, I’ve kinda lost a little in my opinion of them after the reactions to Cutler/McDaniels/etc. And then there’s the giant shadow Elway casts…
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 1:05 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I have been very disappointed in Bronco Nation as a whole this offseason. Even one of my best friends who is as die hard, if not more so, than me, lost a lot of faith during the whole McD/Cutler/Etc. fiasco. And it was really disappointing to hear the way he talked. He’s coming around because I have been faithfully serving him a healthy portion of articles forwarded by email over the last several months. He’s finally starting to come around. If he can come around, then another fan can come around, pretty soon we all can come around! (borrowed from the end of Rocky IV) :-)
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 1:09 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've said this
on a baseball blog I frequent, too, this season when I see people making knee jerk reactions to things. I mean, look, that’s to be expected, some fanatics are like that. But what I said there is what I’ll say here: there are times when I hear things which truly make me wonder if that person has been a fan for longer than a week. Because if you’ve been a fan for many years, as I think most of us are, you should know that it takes time, and it takes patience, and one game, especially one meaningless game in early August with a ton of changes leading up to it, should have zero to do with what happens in September and beyond.
On the baseball blog there are fans who wanted such and such a player benched because of a two day slump, or who thought a tiny 3 game losing streak meant doom. For football fans, and honestly I think most people here are pretty level-headed, which I’m grateful for, but for some fans it’s just the here and now and not the road ahead that matters, and today what some people will see is literally only that Orton threw three picks. Not saying they were good news. But if that is going to determine what happens in the Fall, then I will not waste my time on those people.
by underdog on Aug 15, 2009 1:14 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
By the way....
not that it matters, but in my comment above, I meant that I have been forwarding a heavy dose of MHR articles/posts to my friend and that has been a very effective antidote for the offseason poisons that he seemed to consume in large quantities. I have some other friends, just about as die hard, that are a little slower to come around. But I keep faithfully feeding them a steady diet of MHR as a cure for their football malnourishment.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 1:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bit unfair
I bleed orange and blue, and truly was not one of the ppl freaked out by moving Cutler (thought we got decent value). And it is hard not to be disappointed in Orton’s performance tonight. Yes it is pre-season. Yes there is lots of new stuff. Yes he looked great while he was not throwing interceptions.
The interceptions looked like really bad decisions to my very unprofessional eyes.
So am I ready to throw in the towel on Orton? No. Am I a bunch more worried about our QB situation than I was 10 hours ago? Yes.
by Bronco Fan Doug on Aug 15, 2009 3:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't that too small Alphonso Smith making that diving deflection?
AWESOME!!
broncorat
by broncorat on Aug 15, 2009 12:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
yes it was. But how can that be? He’s only 5’ 9" and much too short (by an inch or so) to successfully play cornerback in the NFL.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was an awesome play by the Phonz.
by MacGuffin on Aug 15, 2009 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The kid can play.
We will see much more of #33 before he retires.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Aug 15, 2009 7:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I KNOW!!
I screamed like a little girl on that one. If Jamie Dukes goes to hell, that clip will replay on a continuous loop in front of him for all eternity.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if we go to hell
we’ll get clips of Jamie Dukes replaying on a loop for eternity.
by underdog on Aug 15, 2009 12:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
*shudder*
I think I just threw up in my mouth
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 12:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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Please forgive me, Football Gods, for I have sinned! I confess these sins in the hopes that I will NEVER end up in a hell where I have to hear, see, or in any other way be exposed to Jamie Dukes! Please, o’ merciful football Gods, don’t let this be my fate! I will sacrifice Al Davis in your name as an offering and will repent for all eternity to avoid such a cruel and horrible fate!!!!!!!!!!
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 1:06 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I believe Al Davis
has already been offered and resides down there in the off-season.
(He’s looking more and more like the Tales from the Crypt host every year.)
by underdog on Aug 15, 2009 1:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Yeah, he sold his soul for those Super Bowl titles and has then cursed as the Crypt Keeper ever since.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 1:35 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Btw I have some pics from the game that
I’ll post this weekend. Hope they came out okay.
by underdog on Aug 15, 2009 12:06 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I also thought
that Larsen had a game changing type hit/tackle near the end of the game. The kind of hit that, at another time or place would change momentum of a game.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 15, 2009 12:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he stuffed Sheets behind the line
Pinned the team back in their own territory, and saved 3rd down. Dude is a stud. Just wish they manufactured his jersey. Gotta go with the guy who has the same first name as me. :)
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 12:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker
I was happy to see Baker play well tonight with a sack and getting some push inside.
by MacGuffin on Aug 15, 2009 12:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, me too
I’ve always had high hopes for him.
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker's a stud
I was watching him most of the time. He constantly was getting push upfield, not getting pushed back. He’s a load in there and will only get better. Yahhoooo!
by azbroncomaniac on Aug 15, 2009 8:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
answer.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Aug 15, 2009 12:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
"How dare you condemn me without knowing all the facts?!!"
by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 15, 2009 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many sacks did the broncos offensive line let up tonight ?
by broncosfaninphilly on Aug 15, 2009 12:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Really
but Clady is only like the 15th best tackle in the league. I thought for sure he would give up 15 or so sacks.
by trumanj on Aug 15, 2009 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I fell in love with Hillis for the second time
Defense looked improved too Seems like some people actually tackled.
WW is a beast. Larsen had an oh so pretty hit on a RB. And Baker got himself a sack!
still room for improvement but liked what i saw.
by trumanj on Aug 15, 2009 12:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Preseason games are so difficult to get a grasp of
As fans, we can’t compartmentalize them in the way we’re used to, through wins and losses, because there are so many different aspects to what we’re watching. In one sense, its not even team versus team. The niners didn’t try to adjust to us and we didn’t try to adjust to them because each team had their own separate set of goals and intentions with what they wanted to accomplish. I don’t want to say the games don’t matter, because they do, just not in the way we’re accustomed to.
In the regular season we view each play as an incremental step to something larger—namely the outcome of the game, whether we win or lose—but it simply doesn’t work that way in preseason. The progression of plays that McD called is probably not the way he’ll call it in an actual game. The plays he called have a purpose, but that purpose may not necessarily be to win the game.
To me, it looked like he called plays for Orton similar to how they structure an SAT test. Start easy, then move to the more challenging stuff as you go. Notice early on how quickly and comfortably Orton made his reads and how almost all those throws were near the sideline. The calls definitely played to Orton’s strengths. Then, in the later plays Orton had to look more near the center of the field, near greater flows of traffic. He looked less certain about his reads and (as many have already said) much more antsy in the pocket and his technique suffered.
I wasn’t thrilled with what I saw from Orton, but I recognize he’s not operating at his full capacity yet. He has a long way to go in the playbook and if he is given time and patience, he will get it. Sometimes in football you have to over think things now so you don’t have to think at all later. I don’t think McD is going to open the QB competition back up because right now there’s no need. This is an important part of Orton’s process; the failure is what’s going to help him more than anything else. Growing pains is all.
“I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.” Edison.
Well, right now it looks like Orton played the game and found at least 3 ways that won’t work.
by bowma101 on Aug 15, 2009 12:34 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Nice comment
I too felt Kyle was taking a test. He did well for a while. BTW, if the 3 interceptions were completions, he would have been 12 for 16, and SF would have lost by at least 10 points. Did anyone notice that we didn’t run the ball much on that first drive? It was a test, not a game plan.
Simms benefited from Hillis running the ball well. Hillis is not really the second string RB, but one of the top two by the time the season starts. In fact, that’s about all Simms did, hand it off. I didn’t think Simms played as well as Kyle. Simms completed passes to players for losses several times. That last throw only worked because it was preseason, and the SF DB screwed up.
There’s zero chance at this point that Simms is challenging Orton. Orton is a pro who keeps working on fixing his mistakes. He didn’t pass the test, but he didn’t fail either, because the purpose of the test is to learn, not to rank.
by MichaelCushman on Aug 15, 2009 6:41 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Growing Pains...
Before I begin, I am a Broncos fan. Always has been always will be. I try to see the possibilities in the team and even if we go 0-16 I will be here supporting the team regardless of the coach, QB, RB, DT or K. I am not always happy with them and their decision but who is?
1. Orton made some mistake BUT also some good passes throughout the night. I think tonight argues for an open QB competition. Simms looked good against the second team defense. If it translates to the first team, start him if Orton doesn’t pick up his game.
2. McDaniel’s play calling was good and challenging. I think in preseason games a coach will want to challenge his players ability to retain their training. I liked his pissed off passion on the sidelines. The new system looked good if properly executed.
3. Considering the 49ers offense was missing some players (Crabtree and Gore in particular) I thought the first team defense looked ok. I think the issue will be sustainability. Denver defenses last year looked good early and faded in the second half resulting in big plays in the 4th quarter and Broncos losses. It McDaniels conditioning program is as tough as it sounds, hopefully the defense can sustain its integrity.
4. God I hope Moreno is ok. He looked great. Compared to Young and Hall, words can’t say.
5. Hillis looked great too against the 2nd team defense. If Moreno isn’t good to go he should be the guy with Jordan as the 3rd down back.
6. Loved A. Smith’s knock away in the 3rd qtr.
7. Where are the turnovers? Can’t expect them all in one game but I’d like to see a few close ones.
8. Ayers played on the second team defense and Dawkins stayed in Denver. If AYers can pick up the play and Dawkins comes back the defense should improve significantly.
9. Wouldn’t mind seeing Baker rotated into the first team to see if he can perform at a 1st level.
In conclusion, keep McDaniels regardless of the personnel moves, maybe Simms, pray for Moreno and the defense could be heading in the right direction.
by Brendan1587 on Aug 15, 2009 12:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Couple of exceptions/additions:
#3. Partially disagree. First, I think our defense, despite SF missing one proven RB and one untested rookie WR, still was more than okay. Also, I don’t think our defense EVER looked good last year, early, middle, or late. We had been winning some games early on, but in hindsight our defense was still atrocious and made some of those games MUCH closer than they ever needed to be (not that our 2nd ranked, or was that 16th ranked, offense always helped).
#7. The turnovers will come. With our extremely strong secondary (and that was minus Dawkins who will be back) combined with the sustained pressure our front 7 was able to achieve (will this hold up against better o-lines?), the turnovers will come. The 49er’s, like us and every other team, weren’t exactly pulling out all the stops or aggressiveness on offense, so we should be patient. I really liked what I saw from the front 7, the secondary (even if it won’t be the same during the regular season…it will be better, if nothing else because of Dawkins), and our coaching and schemes. For me, very positive on all fronts. Not to mention special teams, which I feel could almost single handedly win us a game or two this season (although maybe I’m being overly optimistic because THIS is what solid, all around special teams play is supposed to look like).
#8. Wholeheartedly agree!
Some very good and reasonable observations. Great comment!
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 2:36 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Observations
I thought Chris Baker really stood out tonight, 1 sack, and a tackle for a loss. I’m guessing he will be our starting NT by mid season. He actually even looks like a NT.
I was impressed by Phonz, as well as our other starting cb’s. I however, was not impressed with Josh Bell, Jack MF Williams-two missed tackles and a couple blown coverages.
I still love WW and think someday, he will be a true superstar. I also thought Doom and Jarvis played ok, however was not impressed with our starting d lineman in general. They played ok, I just didn’t see anything too spectacular.
Did anybody see Ayers make any kind of plays cuz I sure didn’t. Oh yeah, and Hillis is still a beast. I’ll be pissed if I see Jordan and Buckhalter getting more time than Hillis.
Overall, I think that the D will be much improved, although still no turnovers
"Vegetarians are cool. All I eat are vegetarians - except for the occasional mountain lion steak "
Ted Nugent
by Idaho Nate on Aug 15, 2009 12:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I was screaming at Jack Williams after that missed tackle
KaptainKirk, I suggest removing the “MF” moniker until he earns it back
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took the M away after the 2nd miss =)
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 15, 2009 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just got home from work so i coudnt watch the game
I just literally bought my Orton jersey yesterday. I didnt buy it too early, right??
by Calibroncoboy on Aug 15, 2009 12:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
he's not named starter yet
but I think he was asked to do more than Simms and did quite a few things well. I think nothing will be decided for a few more weeks.
by trumanj on Aug 15, 2009 12:55 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's no problem. What really takes gumption is
the 49ers fan I spotted at the Stick tonight wearing a M Crabtree jersey(!) Now that’s confidence!
by underdog on Aug 15, 2009 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And disposable income
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 15, 2009 1:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously the only thing I'm worried about right now
is Moreno
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno=ROY
by stedtfeld on Aug 15, 2009 1:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh the controversy it will cause in the MSM
When Hillis starts over Moreno in the first game.
by mikebirty on Aug 15, 2009 1:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I can picture Dukes saying
“And the little known Hillis, a 7th rounder out of Arkansas, is set to start over the 12th overall pick, the sensational Moreno”…………. Then he busts up laughing
Gosh i pray that Knowshon is healthy and Orton gets his stuff together. We got to improve by week 1,
by Calibroncoboy on Aug 15, 2009 1:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh orton
I know we’re all supposed to be understanding and give orton the benefit of the doubt. But 3 INTs in 1 half and 2 others in a scrimmage practice? Am I supposed to congratulate the guy for holding onto the snap too? I don’t care what he did in Chicago or how new and complex the offense is for him. I don’t even care if he wears a Broncos uniform. Until he starts leading the offense and winning games, he doesn’t deserve to be praised or coddled. Right now, he sucks. Period.
by Linmoo on Aug 15, 2009 1:53 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay....
none of those things matter to you? Geez, tough crowd. So what were you saying of Cutler after his first 5 starts the year Plummer was pulled for him at the end of the season? Or Plummer during, well, ever really? Or Elway during those Super Bowl losses? Perspective and reality do go hand in hand.
Orton’s history does matter. That it’s preseason with a completely new coaching staff and scheme and the roster is 2/3’s new all do matter. I’m not saying your ire towards him after tonight’s performance isn’t somewhat justified, but to ridiculously suggest that all those other factors don’t matter is down right, well, for lack of any subtlety, ignorant. It’s not about understanding or benefit of the doubt so much as reality. Were you calling for Culter’s head and saying he “sucks, period” after his absolutely atrocious ending to last season (and that wasn’t one half of a preseason, but several regular season games for a division win and a playoff berth).
Come on people, let’s keep some perspective….. how many times does that need to be said?
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 2:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your sig says a lot
Reality is that Orton played very poorly on several plays and did not have outstanding footwork or mechanics. Most of us believe he is capable of playing at a higher level.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Aug 15, 2009 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now he's learning. Period.
If it helps you to get through your day by booing him or otherwise running him down — and if you have no tolerance for mistakes being made in pre-season games and scrimmages while a guy is learning a new offense and new receivers — by all means, have at it.
But don’t get miffed when some people read your comments and feel a bit embarrassed by them.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 2:18 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing that miffs me is your level of tolerance for 3 INTs in 3 offensive series. Yes, it is the preseason…but KO can’t be so uncomfortable with the offense (after months of learning it) to make the kind of errors he did tonight. The last interception was one of those “I bet I can throw the ball over those mountains!” kind of throws. Horrible read, horrible feet, horrible pick. A bit more worrisome is McD’s unquestionable status for KO instead of pushing him with competition (something he had plenty of in Chicago and thrived). All I’m saying is that so far, I’m not convinced one bit that Orton has the brains or the talent to run McD’s amoeba offense.
by Linmoo on Aug 15, 2009 2:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny....
how everyone sees things so differently. It may sound like fence sitting, but I tend to agree with both of you. However, Linmoo, I do disagree with a couple of points. One, that McD has at any time indicated that Orton is the unquestioned starter. In fact, I think it’s quite the opposite. Yes, they (the Broncos as a whole) have a lot invested in him, but, and I’ve said this NUMEROUS times tonight, I don’t understand how anyone can be worried about things like mechanics and reads and his feet, etc. when pretty much none of this was a problem in Chicago. It’s been a few months and Orton did look very solid on that first drive. Sorry, but when you’re learning a new “amoeba offense” as complex as this one with new players, coaches and team…. well, maybe I’m just a little more forgiving or patient than others, but I still think Orton will be fine.
I also don’t think there’s a Broncos fan who has any “tolerance” for the 3 INT’s tonight. BUT…. in the grand scheme of things it’s not that big of a deal. By preseason game 4 if we’re STILL seeing this kind of play from Orton, then HELL YEAH I’ll be worried. But, as others have pointed out, Cassel was atrocious in the preseason last year and there was even talk of him being cut. Then he delivers, under McD’s tutelage, an almost Pro-Bowl caliber performance to get his team to 11-5 and if not attaining, at least deserving, a playoff spot.
I guess my point is, you don’t necessarily have to have faith in Orton, but, unless you’re a McD hater, shouldn’t we faith in McDaniels? He’s proven time and again he can develop QB’s, much the same way we ALWAYS had faith in Shanny to develop any 3rd rate, hack RB. So to that end, I’d just say have patience. Orton has a history of overcoming, persevering and delivering. Combine that with McDaniels history of, well, pretty much the same thing and then some, and I’d say there’s reason to be optimistic, or at the very least patient and understanding. Just my opinion.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 3:52 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll have intolerance for 3 INTs once the games count
Before then, I have tolerance for the arc of learning curve.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 4:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading through these comments...
You are the most honest and correct person when it comes to what happened to Orton so stand your ground. The guy is in like his 5th or 6th season, so the exuse about him having to get use to the offense is BS. Those interceptions were terrible for one big reason…Each one was indicative of what he can’t do.
He looked good the first drive because the 49ers played off and didn’t send any pressure. They played very vanilla, almost like a zone or prevent. The first int was maybe his most forgiveable because the corner made such a nice play on the ball but he missed a wide open reciever underneath on that play. The other 2 were vintage Orton and what we saw every week in Chicago.
The second one was a terrible read where he stared down hisreciever and threw right to a guy. But the worse, the one that Broncos fans should be worried about the most, the one that validates what me and every Bears fan has tried to warn everyone here about was the last one. He had a least 5 to 6 seconds to throw the ball. He had a guy open and when it was time to make that throw, the throw you need to make in this league, he couldn’t. HE CAN’T MAKE THE THROWS.
This has nothing to do with time in the system and it doesn’t question his pure arm strength. But it shows that he isn’t accurate after 25 yards downfield. This is why it doesn’t matter who your recievers are in this league or how open they are. We watch him miss Devin Hester so many times downfield that they took Go routes and Fly patterns out the playbook. So what teams will do next is stack 8 in the box and dare Orton to beat them but without the ability to make teams pay downfield he’ll be in trouble. He’ll keep checking down to Moreno and his tight end and as long as the defense is giving him underneath stuff he’ll be fine. But when it’s time to make the type of plays needed by a good QB in this league, he’ll fail. He’s no rookie. He is who he is.
by Dils on Aug 15, 2009 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
But some of us watched the Chicago games last year. Others here might panic and pine for Elway — this is the biggest failing of Denver fans — but some of us will stand our ground on the other side.
Orton had 12 interceptions last season. 12. What we saw last night is indicative of one thing only: he’s not yet comfortable with the offense.
I also agree with a commenter who noted that Orton needs to realize he has more time to throw here. He has to adjust his mental clock. That’ll come with time and familiarity.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume there will be no objections when I say:
Orton SUCKED!!!
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 2:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. How'd that work out for you last time?
Personally, I think McDaniels gameplanned to make Kyle look good so that the fans would take to him, but it backfired. Thoughts?
/sarc
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 2:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How'd it work out for me last time?
I’d say I gave you all a fair heads up….whether you wanted to hear it or not.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 2:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You gave us all a fair heads up....
and are now claiming to be “right” that Orton sucks after a half of a preseason football game? Well, thank you. See my comments directly above for this kind of ridiculous prediction.
And in case you don’t read my other comments, I’m not coddling or defending Orton just to be optimistic or hopeful. I’m doing it based on reality backed by a reasonable and historical basis. IF…. he keeps playing like he did in this first half of the first preseason game of a new coaching regime, new scheme and new players, then I’ll be right there with the rest of you who “knew” he’d suck and were calling for his head. But excuse me if I don’t join you right now.
I’m a big believer in don’t just bitch and moan about what you don’t like, but offer a solution. So…. what’s your solution? And if you say Simms, well, of course, you’re entitled to your opinion, but…. well, that will tell me all I need to know right there about your “predictions” on Orton.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 2:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that 3…THREE INTs in a preseason game is pretty much unheard of…right?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 2:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I guess he sucks then and should be cut.
Thank god that’s what the first preseason game is for. I’m convinced.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 3:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way....
you haven’t offered a solution. Cuter’s gone and we have Orton, Simms and Branstater. I won’t offer anymore quips if you don’t offer anymore half-ass critiques with no solution. What’s your solution? Perhaps I missed it above, but is it Simms? And even though I sarcastically mocked that choice, and still will, if you can back that up with any relevant, logical reasoning, then I’m all ears. I truly don’t care if it’s Orton or Simms or Branstater or Cutler or Jeff Freakin’ George. I just want a serviceable, if not above-serviceable, QB to run this offense. Because with the way our running game, WR’s, and TE’s look, we don’t need a superstar, Hall Of Fame guy back there. Would that be nice? Of course. Do I think Cutler was it? Actually, as much as I had a man-crush him while he was here, no, I don’t. Not in this offense. Anyway, I would like to hear thoughts, ideas and suggestions for our QB position….even those that are in the future and not for this year.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 3:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, playing an entire half in the first pre-season game
…is pretty much unheard of.
But I see you’re back to the all caps. Guess you REALLY MEAN IT!
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 4:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do REALLY MEAN IT!
Sometimes you have to be willing to call a dog a dog.
You’ll notice that I made no predictions regarding Orton’s future with the Broncos or his future ability as a QB. All that I said is that he SUCKED! If, after 3 INTs on 4 drives, you can’t at least admit to that then….???
Now you’ve had a chance to see live what I was referring to in practice. And believe me….I’m not happy about it.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 4:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your passion is obvious....
if not completely misguided, ill-informed and ignorant. But this is MHR…. so it’s still welcome.
Hey, Orton sucks! It says so right here, so it MUST be true. Man, I hope Orton doesn’t actually ever play better….I say that for your sake, Poster. I mean, if he actually DOES play well (and in the regular season when it MATTERS and not just the BS preseason) will you still be here and admit it? Cause if Orton is canned as starter or plays like garbage, I (and many other members) will be here to take our lickings.
Yes, you did mention that he “SUCKED”. And as great as that insight was, maybe you could back that up a little bit with some reason, logic, stats (you know, other than one half of the preseason first game of the year)…..you know, beyond the 3 obvious INT’s tonight. Cause if that’s all you got, well, then I would sincerely look into Chargers season tickets. Cause you and A.J. Smith and Norv Turner will get along just fine.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 7:06 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
nuh uh…you’re ignorant. :-P
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Sometimes you have to be willing to call a dog a dog."
And the best time to do that? Is after the first preseason game.
Ignore what Orton did last season — his only true starting season where he had a chance to play with the first team. Ignore what he did in college. Call a dog a dog!
You KNOW! You are JUST SPEAKING TRUTH to POWER!
Fine. I’ll know now how to take your posts.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s really funny about your and RockyMtnHigh’s responses is that they’re all based off of two words…“Orton SUCKED”. Which were intended to describe only a single and specific performance each time that I wrote them. You do realize that the title of this post is “Orton struggles in preseason opener”? In other words…he SUCKED! I guess it’s okay to say as long as we use happy little euphemisms? However, if I actually say he sucked (after 3 straight INTs in a single half) then I’m “completely misguided, ill-informed and ignorant” or “a shallow-minded doomdayer.”? Uh huh.
Do you know how ridiculous you two sound?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta love "fans" who couldn't
even begin to understand the first 10 pages of an offense like McDaniels, yet, they expect a new QB in completely new surrounds to full grasp the 250+ pages of the playbook and his teammates by the first preseason game.
The lack of football knowledge and understanding among some “fans” is truly appalling. Some “fans” just can’t seem to grasp the fact that just cause you want it to happen, doesn’t mean it won’t take some time. It’s called patience.
Get back to us once you’ve completely and thoroughly digested 250+ pages and are perfectly comfortable throwing to an entirely new group of friends. If you don’t have it done it two months does that mean you SUCK? Some how I think Orton still gets it done quicker.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Aug 15, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah…cause Orton’s INTs clearly weren’t bad throws or poor decisions. He just didn’t know the play. Uh huh.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two of them he clearly expected the WR to do something else
But I wouldn’t expect someone clearly lacking perspective to be able to understand that.
Heck, even his competition didn’t find it troubling:
“Kyle didn’t struggle,” Simms insisted. “I really don’t think he did. He moved the ball well in all his series, and I think he’ll tell you the those three throws are ones he makes every day in practice. He’s a good player, and he’ll bounce back and be ready for next game.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/08/15/broncos.struggling.ap/index.html
Then again, Simms understands he and Orton are learning one of the most complex offenses in the NFL. He’s able to keep things in perspective. Like the fact that Matt Cassel, who had been in the offense for more than a year, still struggled initially.
Other’s appear to struggle mightily with this concept.
So you’ve obviously learned and feel comfortable with 250+ page playbook and new recievers within a short period of time? Maybe you could offer some pointers oh great wise master of the game.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Aug 15, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh great wise master of the game.
Finally I’m getting the recognition that I deserve. That’s more like it!
“Kyle didn’t struggle” Simms insisted
And you believe that? Did you watch the game? I’m pretty sure Orton would say he struggled.
Look…I’m not saying that the guy is forever doomed as a QB. Just that he had a bad game. It’s not like you have to know every play in the 250 page playbook to play in the first preseason game. I assure you that every play they ran had been covered extensively in practice. And I “respectfully disagree” (you should try it sometime) that he expected the WR to do something different. Graham and Stokley were clearly running the correct route on those two INTs…it was just a bad throw/decision. The other INT was a severely underthrown ball while Orton was on the run.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would never treat anyone so arrogant "respectfully"
You’ll get treated as your tone, attitude and lack of understanding demand. Respect is neither given nor demanded, it is earned. And I want none of yours either.
Maybe they did run the right routes. Maybe they didn’t. You have the playbook in front of you? However, there was clearly miscommunication between the receivers and Kyle. Ray Charles could see that.
Orton clearly expected Graham to continue to move outside, instead Graham sat down in the zone. Orton expected Stockley to continue inside, thus the throw to the inside shoulder, but Bly beat him to the spot.
And maybe you aren’t a “Chicken Little”, however, your comments do clearly show a lack of perspective and
understanding of the intricacies and complexities of the offense being implimented in Denver. Unless you’re named Peyton and Tom, you don’t learn an offense like this in two months.
Oh and FYI, Tom and Peyton have been in complex offenses that put tons of decisions/adjustments on the QB like this offense for many years so even they have that advantage over Kyle. Kyle’s been in one of the most vanilla offenses ever seen his entire NFL career. I don’t expect him to be picture perfect even by the regular season. But he’ll continue to improve as he gets more and more comfortable with more time in the system.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Aug 15, 2009 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But those are mistakes that will be fixed as he
and his receivers continue to work together.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Aug 15, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or…maybe they did run the right routes.
And my name does happen to be Peyton and Tom.
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by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see Cutler vs Buffalo?
He SUCKS!
Kaleb Hanie should get reps with the first team.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Severely underthrown"
Love the hyperbole. The backer leaps up and and finger tips it, otherwise it’s complete. It was a lazy pass. He aimed it. But it wasn’t “severely underthrown,” unless by “severely” you mean “by a matter of a couple inches.”
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh c'mon dude...really?
You should probably watch the replay before you continue to embarrass yourself. While it was a nice grab by the DB…Gaffney was a solid five yards behind where the ball was picked. It really wasn’t close to him. I’d say that by NFL standards that constitutes “severely underthrown”. Either way, you’re just nitpicking now.
Look…I’m sorry you’re angry at life, but stop taking it out on me.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you had followed the Pats fans
converstions, you’d have seen many of them were giving up on Cassel early on. Remember he had a lot more experience in the system than Orton and Simms have; combined.
Yet, as the season continued, Cassel did nothing but improve and get better. To the point that he became a “franchise player” and traded to a team as their next “savior”.
It’s gonna take some time. To act like 3 INTs in the first preseason game is the end of the world, shows a lemming mentality and seems to imply that we should all just head for the cliff. If it took Cassel over a year to learn and get comfortable in the system, then there can be no reasonable expectation that Orton is after a few months.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Aug 15, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re reading more into my comments than is actually there. I’m commenting on a single performance in a single game. I’m not ‘giving up’ on Orton. I’m not acting like ’it’s the end of the world’. However, 3 INTs on 3 straight drives is concerning. Being concerned about that certainly doesn’t make me Chicken Little.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You might be the most misunderstood poster on this site
I hope you are laughing at all this, I know I am….
Guys, I don’t think poster is who we think he is….
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 15, 2009 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Styg…I find it fairly amusing.
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by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just got home after a long drive out of Candlestick traffic,
and knew I could count on MHR to talk me off the ledge that the SF announcers were nudging me further and further out on with their knee-jerk (emphasis on the second syllable) analysis of Orton and the Broncos’ QB quandary. If I hear Damon Bruce from KNBR say “It’s time to panic in Denver” one more time, I’m going to break something. I’ll grant that it’s pretty tough to sugar-coat KO’s performance this evening, but it’s THE FIRST PRESEASON GAME… nuff said.
A few brief impressions before I crawl into bed with my wife, lest she think I drove off the highway:
Beyond the obvious (Eddie and Peyton), players that pleasantly surprised me were
1) McKinley—though he dropped the big third down pass, I thought he showed better return skills than Phonz.
2) Spencer Larsen—largely for his leadership! The man was coaching up his teammates on the 2nd team D and special teams (along with Reid, who’s clearly an ST leader). He was also a joy to watch at fullback leveling textbook blocks on linebackers coming off the edge. He seems to be a key cog in the McD machine.
3) Chris Baker—who anchored a fairly stout 2nd team D-line. Marcus Thomas had his moments as well, I thought.
Players who didn’t impress:
1) Prater—His performance didn’t suffer much in the game, but I just didn’t see his ballyhooed leg strength, his (penalty aided) touchback notwithstanding. More than anything, though, he just seemed nervous to me. I could feel the black hole of his lack of confidence from the front row of the second deck. I’m worried.
2) Josh Bell—I’m sure the TV showed just fine that he may have played himself onto the back edge of the backside of the bubble tonight.
3) Jarvis—I was watching him, hoping for a flash, and didn’t see it. Ayers didn’t particularly impress either, but had at least one nice swim move.
And I don’t know how Crowder got buried neck deep in McD’s doghouse, but he didn’t get a single sniff on defense as far as I noticed. Even Rulon and Pedescleaux got a few snaps toward the end, but Crowder sure looked like a man on the outside looking in tonight.
All in all, though, I thought it was a pretty decent team performance. If Orton had thrown a couple more passes to the guys in white, I think we would be feeling pretty good about ourselves this evening….
by Plummer's But on Aug 15, 2009 2:20 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I know this will be an unpopular post;
however, trying to put a positive spin on this game is pointless. That was bad…really bad.
That was as bad as could have been imagined.
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by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 2:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
You thought the game, overall, was bad?
I’d LOVE to hear an expanded explanation and justification for that beyond “Orton sucked”. What part of it, for you, exactly sucked? The consistent pressure by the front 7? The overall solid scheme and coaching on all (D, O, ST) sides of the ball (granted, there were missteps, but it’s freakin’ preesason)? The exceptional running game? The solid play of our tight ends and wide receivers? The great play by our o-line, including the 2nd and 3rd team (depth)? The sacks produced by our defensive play calling, the front seven, and/or our coverage (depending on the sack)? Our very solid special teams play? Our domination in several major statistical categories (all of which are infinitely more important than a ridiculous, and close, final score)? The overall aggressiveness and “no quit, fight to the end” attitude displayed by every coach, player and part of our team…..and during a preseason game (something we couldn’t see at any time during some regular season games last year)?
I could go on and on. And I’m sure, in all of your infinite football wisdom, understanding and experience, you will dismiss it as overly optimistic Kool-Aid drinking. Despite the fact that some of the brightest football minds on this site (which is really saying something) agree with it. But, sure, yeah, right, the game was “really bad”. You REALLY need to read more MHR University, my friend.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 2:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume you’re very young so I’ll just leave this one alone.
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by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 3:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry.....
what does age have to do with it? However, if you bothered to look at my profile and did some simple math (you can add, right?) you’d see I’m almost 35 and have been a die hard, orange and blue Broncos fan since age 7 (which would be 1982, by the way). Not that it matters, but I don’t see any of that kind of dedication or age relevance on your profile…. wonder why? So unless you have a logical, intelligent reply, which I’m guessing you don’t given your baseless, condescending response, then don’t even bother posting one to me.
Okay, look, if for some reason, I offended you, then I apologize. I can see you’ve been a member here for a long time, or at least your profile has, but if you look at my comments you’ll see I’m pretty respectful and am always open for a respectful, intelligent discussion. If I was overly critical and came off the wrong way to you (which as I reread my comments, that may have been the case), then I am sorry. That is never my intention, and, as can happen when people are passionate about their team, emotions can get the best of them.
In any case, I don’t enjoy getting in personal tit-for-tat arguments on here, but will also defend myself and my beliefs when attacked or shown blatant disrespect. So… I’d rather have a productive, respectful, civil and lively discussion based on the Broncos and not you, or me (which I might have started), getting personal.
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 3:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assumed you’re younger based on your condescending comments and sarcastic tone. That’s usually an indication that I’m dealing with a teenager.
What specifically didn’t I like about the game?
-Four INTs between the two QBs is obviously troubling. Yes…I understand it’s preseason. However, with a month until the regular season starts I’d like to think they are much further along the ‘learning curve’ than they are.
-While we did consistently apply pressure and stop the run, we clearly did so to the detriment of the pass coverage. Every time the 49ers threw the ball they had a ridiculously open WR. They had numerous easy 2nd and 3rd down loooong conversions. I was pleased with the sacks.
-The worst thing that can happen in a preseason game happened…an injury to a key player. Fortunately it sounds like Moreno is relatively okay, but he still may miss the entire preseason which is obviously essential to a rookies development.
-There were numerous dropped passes by the WRs.
-The offense line was good in blocking but got several ineligible receiver calls and false starts (I’ll write those off to preseason game one…but it still needs to get cleaned up).
-I don’t think the defense got a single turnover…which is something that was important for me to see. They were close on a couple.
I said that game was “as bad as could have been imagined”, but not even I imagined we’d have 4 INTs, 0 forced turnovers, and a key player injured. I know you and Jeff think I’m just negative all the time, but that really isn’t the case. I simply didn’t like what I saw yesterday. Were there some positives? Sure. But in this game they were heavily outweighed by the not-so-positives’. I think you and Jeff are reading a little too far into my comments. I’m not predicting ‘doom and gloom’ or an 0-16 season. I’m simple commenting on a single poor performance.
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"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So brave
Willing to take the unpopular position like that.
You, the media, and just about everybody on the DP forum. Brave little outliers, all.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 4:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Show them your outside the box thinking skills Jeff. There is not an MBA term you don’t love to abuse so why don’t you show this guy your anti group-think skills
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 15, 2009 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
MBA?
I was an English prof. I don’t know what MBA terms I’ve used, but if I used them, I’m certain I did so incorrectly.
But on to your point: Let’s see, how can I show this guy my “anti group-think skills”…? Oh, I know! — just because you’ve been posting here a longer time than I have, Posternutbag, doesn’t mean I have to automatically respect your opinions or believe that you are “one of the good guys,” no matter what the enforcers of feel-good relativism and decorum around here tell me.
Because I don’t. And unlike others here, I won’t pretend that I do — even though it’s clear you are a shallow-minded doomdayer.
How was that? “Anti group-think” enough?
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice rant. You’re the one slinging insults over the internet and yet I’m the ‘shallow-minded’ one. Hmmm?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slinging insults?
See, there’s the problem: just because I don’t pretend to respect all opinions equally doesn’t mean I’m slinging insults. It means that I value the distinction between well-thought out and supported arguments and superficial arguments that rely on emotion and appeal to a mob mentality.
Shallow is shallow. Superficial is superficial. Those are not insults. Those are descriptions.
Just because you write something — and because other people around here are happy for your contributions — doesn’t mean I have to accept what you have to say as equally valid as what others who bother to substantiate their arguments have to say.
Sometimes you just have to call a dog a dog.
I heard that somewhere.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU, sir, are truly a champion for independent thought and reason. Keep up the good work!
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
PNB
I’ve no problem with your perspective. However – Simms didn’t have an INT. Orton did have his 3, but there weren’t 4 in the game. I jsut ent back and checked the box score to see if I’d missed one, but Simms was 11 of 17 for 142 yards and no INTs
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Aug 15, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simms threw an INT on the 2 pt conversion in the back of endzone.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Otherwise, Simms was clearly a bright spot from that game. However, he also wasn’t asked to run the same offense that Orton was and against the second and third team defense. I think Orton should get the start against Seattle, but if he struggles again and Simms continues to look good then it might be time to give Simms a shot running the first team offense.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
And you’re right – it didn’t count in the stats.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Aug 15, 2009 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simms INT came with 1:52 left in the 4th quarter. It was intercepted by Smith (#30).
They may not count it as an INT because it’s on a 2pt conversion.
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by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, But
Orton completed 12 out of 16 passes. That’s 75%. =)
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 15, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol…that’s true.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 15, 2009 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good or Bad. I am still here and I love that it is football season again.
My image is the Circa 1960-’61 Broncos home uniform sock. Some what folk lore to me ... but referred to as the clown sock by my Dad.
by YellowStoneBronco on Aug 15, 2009 2:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y
The correct spelling is definitely.
Not definately.
Not definatly.
Not definantly.
Not definetly.
Not definently.
And certainly not defiantly.
The correct spelling is definitely.
by TheMastermind on Aug 15, 2009 2:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Your right with you’re comment. ;-) ha ha
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 15, 2009 3:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
While you're at it....
Some people can use help with ridiculous, as well.
Oh. And Ayers.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 4:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call em as I see em
Here is what I left with after the game…
- Defense made me very happy. I expected pass coverage issues in the middle with a bunch of converted linemen, and saw that. But decent pressure throughout and the 1st team really only gave up 3 points. Run D was decent. Very good showing for a unit that has so many changes on scheme, people, and new positions.
- I am not one of the Cutler fans, but was very very disappointed in Orton. Bad bad throws for those interceptions. I am very worried about our QB situation starting tonight.
- Moreno is a star in the making. Hope he is ok.
- Lets just say it, except for 3 Orton interceptions the 1st string O looked good. Did I mention I am worried about our QB situation?
- It is preseason.
by Bronco Fan Doug on Aug 15, 2009 3:14 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kyle Orten was just doing his best Jay Cutler red zone impersonation
Hmm
Initially moved the ball quite well between the 20’s. Then forced a ball in the endzone for an interception. Questionable decision making in the money zone.
Almost like he was trying to a Jay Cutler impersonation. ;)
by Kosty on Aug 15, 2009 6:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though.
Did not see the complete game, but from the clips I saw and the reports, it looked likek a dramatic improvement for the defense ….already.
Orton seemed OK against the first team defenses besides the interceptions (I know big besides) and he will be helped a lot by Brandon Marshall back in the mix.
More importantly the front line and the nose tackles in the new 3:4 looked competent and the defense already much improved already from this year. It also looked like the coach was using the game as a tryout period at game speed.
by Kosty on Aug 15, 2009 6:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Heckuva game
This was played more like a late season game when both teams really need a win. Singletary obviously has the Niners on a higher level, and the Broncos showed us all some fire and energy. And power! This defense is not at all like last year’s.
He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.
From The Big Law, by Chuck Logan
by bradley on Aug 15, 2009 7:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler threw three INTs last season
at home against Miami. This stuff isn’t unheard of, especially in a first preseason game with a new O. We won’t really know for awhile yet. But I liked what I saw from McD in formations and aggressiveness, and I liked the 1st team D a LOT.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 15, 2009 7:35 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, McGeorge
This one’s for you:
Cutler threw three INTs last season at home against Miami.
He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.
From The Big Law, by Chuck Logan
by bradley on Aug 15, 2009 7:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was his worst game as a Bronco. He also won the Cleveland game by himself. Probably his best game as a Bronco.
Nothing changes the fact that Orton was terrible last night – terrible on many levels. His lack of poise was most distressing.
If that was supposed to be a cheap shot, I’m sure you can do much better. Lots of infighting in Bronco nation. Not a good sign at all.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 15, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with the second paragraph
He needs to calm down and play from instinct. He clearly needs a lot more reps to get there. But he’ll get them.
I was encouraged by what I saw from Simms, even against a 2nd team D.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 15, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you dog is ugly.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 15, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can spell better than you though.
He felt like the man who drew the first circle. Perfect, and complete.
From The Big Law, by Chuck Logan
by bradley on Aug 15, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now
That wasn’t meant to be a dig at anybody, b. I offered that simply to put things in perspective. Anyone is capable of a bad game from time to time. What matters is how Orton responds to it. Cutler responded well, as McGeorge noted. He won many games for us, and the issues he had were coachable, completely. He just didn’t want to be a Bronco anymore, which is sad. But I’m not dwelling on it, and didn’t mean to rehash that here. Just to bring perspective.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 15, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On that first INT
I questioned the play call. I really thought that we would make a statement with giving the ball to Hillis or Jordan. I mean, we really need to show improvement on our short yard and goal line running ability too, besides passing. I can give Josh a flyer during preseason, but I DO NOT want to see a play calling like that. that was a typical Bates call, IMO.
I also think that the tackling at the 2nd level needs more practice attention.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 15, 2009 7:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought...
With the O-line and running backs we have now (and if they stay healthy), perhaps there is reason to believe “showing” the team’s improvement in short yard and goal line situations is not necessary.
What is necessary? An offense that can smash the ball in when necessary and, when needed, throw for a short yardage TD as well (which is what we tried to do).
I am going to make an a$$ of u and me and believe McDaniels had specific red zone plays he wanted to see.
Just a thought…
My roots are in Denver and my branches in Nebraska.
by Blackshirt4Broncos on Aug 15, 2009 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
That is pretty much what I meant with giving him a flyer.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 15, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
…the Broncos wanted to win, naturally, but this is the first preseason game. It is used to gauge where people are, to evaluate talent, to provide teachable moments.
Did anyone see Orton interviewed after the game? He’d already put it behind him.
Did anyone see he and his teammates on the sideline? They are already rallying around him.
As I noted elsewhere, it took Cassel several games to get comfortable in McDaniels’ system. Orton has the entire preseason left to go — a month of games and practices.
McDaniels seems quite aware of the learning curve. When he says it’s time to move off Orton, THEN it’s probably time.
by JeffG on Aug 15, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lurked here for a long time - time to post a thought or two
As a Colorado born/bred Bronco fan now settled in Kansas City for the past 10 years, I have had the misfortune of listening to the local media laugh off the Broncos all off-season. They proudly take credit for the domino effect of Bowe dropping the on-side kick against San Diego leading to the new coaching staff in Denver, the loss of Cutler, et. al.
Personally, I am thrilled with the result of this game – in particular the interceptions of Orton. Not that I don’t want him to succeed or because I don’t believe he’ll improve and eventually be a solid starter… but because that one item is the ONLY thing the media here is talking about (and continuing to feed their shallow perceptions regarding the decline of the Bronco franchise).
There was a tremendous amount of new things introduced this year and to expect perfection after one pre-season game is laughable… for the most part, there was much more good things than bad out of this game. The three picks weren’t pleasant, but let’s watch a few more games before we get nervous.
As for the rest of the division – go ahead and focus on those three interceptions. Continue to downplay the ability of the team, and align your perception of the Broncos with these plays alone… If we continue to progress like we have, and show signs on D, STs, etc… you’ll have a surprise coming when we meet.
by BroncoTalon on Aug 15, 2009 8:08 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Great point
I love your perspective on it. There were positives that can be found everywhere, even in Orton’s performance, that those judging purely on the stat line will miss. And if this was your first post, then welcome! Keep them coming.
by bowma101 on Aug 15, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to have you with us, BT
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Aug 15, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
well after last nights game i will not be tuning into 104.3 teh Fan this week
this last week was all orton bashing, i cant imagine what it will be this week and dont plan on finding out.
im not really concerned with orton. it was his first game in a new system. next week will be a big test to see how he responds. if he looks as bad next week then ill be on the questionable side but for now ill wait and see
i really hope moreno is ok. he looked good out there in the few touches he got and seemed pretty fast. hillis once again showed he needs to be getting touches.
by purplesocks on Aug 15, 2009 9:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought things went well for the first preseason game
Orton moved the ball very well against the 49ers first team on that first drive and had us back into 49ers territory on that second drive . I wouldve liked to see us do a better job of running out of the shotgun but Jordan and Buckwalter just didnt seem to have the burst that Moreno and then later on Hillis had .
I thought some of the plays called were scout plays where McDaniels wants to get these plays on film against the first team defense to teach from this week. On a couple of plays I wondered where is the TE in the passing game .
Im not worried though and for the first preseason game I thought it was great because you get some good and bad footage from the first teams to go over and the 2nd and 3rd string got to play in a close game .
by Hoopforia on Aug 15, 2009 10:16 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Good points Hoopforia.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
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by KaptainKirk on Aug 15, 2009 10:22 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Bubble slides?
Which players “on the bubble” had the most movement?
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Aug 15, 2009 11:31 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Arctic
I thought Tony Carter (backup DB) did some special stuff last night…saw him 3-4 times in limited playtime, so he must be doing something right.
Putz caught a TD and held onto it for dear lfe. Hell bea hard one to cut. Matt Willis also was impressive on a couple of plays, but healso had a dud play. Brandon Loyd hadone cac for a lot of yardage, but overall the play itsef graded out mdiocre, and other than that he didn’timpress me (but I am still reviewing.) Mckinley’s routes were good, though he had a drop that was a headshaker. Looks like great WR depth, no doubt. McBath probably isn’t considered a bubble player, but he was up and down, and Ayers also isn’t going anywhere, but he looked confused all night. His best plays were bull rushes, but Coffee’s long run was because Ayer’s messed up on a stunt-style of play, missing his assingment completely and leaving a lane wide open.
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 15, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
Larsen did your sig proud, and TWICE nearly killed someone. In a fateful incident, a niner RB looked to blow out his knee, and went down early, but if he hadn’t, he was probably about to be levelled by Larsen anyways…
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 15, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larsen must have been a Hittite in a
former life. Are his hits on YouTube?
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Aug 15, 2009 4:41 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Larsen must have been a Hittite in a
former life. Are his hits on YouTube?
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Aug 15, 2009 4:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

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