Broncos dealing with Patriots for DE Le Kevin Smith
by John Bena on Aug 17, 2009 8:33 AM MDT
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Details are sketchy, but ESPN's Adam Schefter just tweeted the following -
Adam_Schefter Denver and New England are dealing. Denver just acquired DE Le Kevin Smith from the Patriots. Don't know terms but know Broncos needed D help
Here is the BIO on Smith from the Patriot's website
Details to follow..
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Height: 6-3 Weight: 308
Year: 4 Yrs/Pat: 4
Acquired: D6-06(206th Overall)
School: Nebraska
Major: Construction Mgmt.
Born: Jul 21, 1982
Thats all I know about him, have never seen him play. If anyone knows more, please post.
I sure hope McD is sure about him, the only thing I can imagine is that we payed a draftpick for him. He better not be camp material and get cut at the end of preseason.
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
Le Kevin Smith
Good backup, hard worker, good character guy. I was rooting for him to claim a roster spot.
Providence Journal writer Shalise Manza Young just wrote a piece about Smith that I linked to today. It might give you a better idea of the guy. Here’s a couple of quotes from her article:
A sixth-round draft pick out of Nebraska in 2006, Smith has always had an uphill battle in trying to crack a starting lineup that includes Richard Seymour, Ty Warren and Vince Wilfork as well as supersub Jarvis Green. But he carved out his role, learning both the nose and end positions and a solid special teams player.
Listed at 6-foot-3, 308 pounds, the Georgia native is coming off his best year with New England. With Warren slowed by a torn groin and Green also limited by injury, Smith played in 15 games, with 21 tackles and a fumble recovery against Denver. In his first two seasons, he had totaled four tackles.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Aug 17, 2009 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Marima.
Your comments and this link were both helpful.
I like this trade for both sides, personally. Time will tell, of course, but I’d sure rather be pullind D-Lineman from the Pats than the Browns! ; )
by NedBronco on Aug 17, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Makes Sense
New England just acquired another DE from Oakland right? So suddenly this guy was expendable. Probably still a pretty good player considering the depth in New England.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Depth
I don’t mind the move for depth but our first string D line looked good to me. I just want to know what he gave up and what kind of player he is….
2008 (15/0): Played in a reserve role along the defensive line and totaled a career-high 21 tackles (10 solo) … Tallied his first career fumble recovery against Denver (10/20) … Notched a career high five tackles at Seattle (12/7) … Played in the season’s final 15 games after being inactive in the season opener against Kansas City (9/7) … Tallied one tackle playing in reserve at defensive end against Miami (9/21) … Played on defensive sub packages and made one solo tackle at San Diego (10/12) … Credited with his first career fumble recovery, scooping up a ball freed on Lewis Sanders’ strip of Broncos running back Andre Hall against Denver (10/20) … Tallied three tackles … Contributed two tackles in coverage playing in reserve at defensive end against St. Louis (10/26) … Tallied a single-game career high five tackles, including three solo stops at Seattle (12/7) … Dragged down Maurice Morris for a 1-yard loss … Helped create the hole for Ellis Hobbs’ 95-yard touchdown kickoff return as Hobbs tied the Patriots franchise record with his third career kickoff return for a touchdown at Oakland (12/14) … Dropped Darren McFadden for no gain … Notched two tackles (1 solo) against Arizona (12/21) … Played in reserve at defensive end, tallying two tackles in the Patriots’ shutout victory at Buffalo (12/28).
Bringing Bronco love from 1,112 miles away
At 6-foot-3-inches and 308 pounds, he can complete a backflip.
http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=32017
Bringing Bronco love from 1,112 miles away
That is what I noticed.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
We sure love those back flippin DE's : )
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
I hope we didn’t trade a draft pick, but I my guess is we did. I hate all this trading away of future picks. Hillis in round 7, TD in round 6, Marshall in 4, Larsen is 6.
These picks matter if done right.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
And if you get the right player in trade
it’s worth the pick. Not sure that’s the case here — don’t know what was traded, or why the move was made — but if you think a guy is going to play for you and it costs you a late round pick, you take the trade, especially if you believe you can compete now.
Come on, McGeorge. Any trade looks bad if you cherry-pick the good results from an historical list. I could just as easily say — Ahmaad Galloway 7, Herb Haygood 5, Aaron Hunt 6, Tony Leland 6, Josh Sewell 6.
Or I could say, gee, Willie Middlebrooks, Marcus Nash, Jarvis Moss — what’s so great about first rounders again?
or a 3rd round pick for Maurice Clarett.
C’mon guy, we’re not playing Fantasy GM here. Let’s let the professionals do their job.
(The we can criticize the move in hind-sight. HA)
Hey
Im tired of people hating on Clarett. He was MVP of the Penal league last year just beating out John “big Sally” Humphrey
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Aug 17, 2009 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmm... I thought the runner up
was a guy named Lawrence Phillips?
We traded away a 6th rounder for Jimmy Kennedy and cut him in training camp.
Getting contributions for low round draft picks on four and five deals at minimum salaries is the best possible use of salary cap dollars.
Trading away draft picks for vets is just another risk The Coach keeps heaping on himself. This guy sure has a strong vision for someone that has never been a rodeo before as a head coach or GM. You guys trust his judgment, I don’t. I hated that Shanahan had so much power. He was a great coach and horrible GM until 2006. Then he became a solid GM but poor coach. It’s too much for Mike to handle effectively. Now Bowlen has given The Coach the same powers… Josh has too much power (for a rookie coach or a coach with 25 years of experience). Me thinks many of these trades will eventually come back to haunt him and the franchise.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Wait, so NOW you're into salary cap considerations?
Alphonso Smith will be so pleased to hear that you’re coming around ;-)
And seriously, do you know what he traded? Do you know it was McDaniels’ doing?
I rather think it’s too soon to find in this yet another doomsday scenario.
by JeffG on Aug 17, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
trade value for a 6th round pick & backup
…. ain’t much. I’d guess he brought a conditional late round pick, and he’s worth that if the conditions are that he plays and contributes.
The market value for a player at Smith’s level isn’t high because they become available at the final cut to 53. New England’s personnel situation is difficult because they drafted a few (Brace, Pryor & Richard) DLs in the draft, so why not convert that excess back into draft picks rather than just cut them?
Also, for the reason I just mentioned, the impetus for the trade could have come from New England’s end.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
First of all the new D-linemen is a Patriot. McDaniels wanted him and made this trade. I do agree about the minimal impact of this trade. No need to make a mountain out of a mole hill. I really don’t have a strong feeling about this trade one way or another. I don’t believe we own our 5th round pick in 2010 from the Brandstater trade so I guess we traded the Cowboys 5th rounder.
But call me crazy: I’m somewhat concerned with all the roster turnover. We needed several new faces on the 2009 Broncos, but there will be repercussions for the sheer amount of turnover and lack of continuity. Someone wrote the other day about why he was against letting Bly go and he got a ton of praise for it. Bly… The guy that played like GARBAGE in 2008 after a so-so 2007. The Same Bly that was one of the most overpaid players on the NFL last season. I don’t think we’ll miss Bly (I know I won’t), but I do worry about the new faces that keep coming and coming and coming. So why not LeKevin Smith, maybe someone else next week.
The real point of my last post was that I believe McDaniels has TOO MUCH power. Shanahan had TOO MUCH power. I don’t like the lack of patience McDaniels is showing with trading way all these 2010 draft picks. You guys think Bowlen knows what he is doing, but I think he is getting lazy in his old age. I think we needed a GM like AJ Smith (one that would stand up to McDaniels if he felt it was right), but we got a salary cap guru with next to no player evaluation experience. So what we really got is a Coach GM in McDaniels. In the end, I think it will backfire on us.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
organizational responsibilities
You need to review ‘who does what.’ Personnel is Xanders, with expected input from McDaniels.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
I believe Xanders is the personnel director like I believe in the Sasquatch.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Why's that?
Just on the side of information – Xanders got his start in management doing personnel for the Falcons, and helping them build a heck of a squad. He has an excellent reputation in finding and helping develop personnel and that was the stated reason that Bowlen brought him on board. The debate that led to Jeff (and later Jim) Goodman fighting with McD was a personnel decision, so obviously Xanders is involved there.
I don’t know of a single piece of evidence – rather than theory – that indicates that Xanders isn’t handling a lot of the personnel. Nothing personal, here, just a disagreement about what evidence shows in this case.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
hear Joe Ellis' comments
It’s probably late but I’ll repost this later, too.
http://www.fm1043thefan.com/channels/audioOnDemand/Story.aspx?ID=1122225
The current arrangement of responsibilities is balanced, which is unlike our past history. Historically, one person held authority, and that was usually the coach.
http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/14/krieger-broncos-as-chiefs-go-with-what-they-know/
One pertinent fact that’s found in the Ellis interview is that McDaniels acts as the sole spokeman for the team, which is probably why people assume that decisions are his and his alone. The obvious reason we can believe the Broncos when they say that there’s an equal sharing of power — besides the absurdity of any reason for lying — is time. Despite the belief that McDaniels attention to detail translates into complete control of all aspects of the team, he’s a little busy right now with coaching responsibilities.
People who assume details such as the job responsibilities of the GM & HC are simply projecting their negative beliefs. Even Shanahan, who did have complete control, didn’t have the time to do everyone else’s job, and he talked about his failure to ‘delegate’ authority properly upon leaving. Shanahan believed that by taking control he could influence the organization’s performance, but the trap was that those he designated didn’t provide better information.
Xanders and McDaniels are tied at the hip, according to Ellis, so I expect they agree on a lot of things. Both report as co-equals to Bowlen, so neither holds more actual power. People merely assume that decisions are due to McDaniels, because he’s the face of the organization. What people fail to notice is that both McDaniels and Xanders speak collectively of their decisions, as in “we thought…” This is not an insignificant detail.
Finally; the character assassination against McDaniels is merely consistent in ascribing (projecting) blame. What was assumed previously is balanced again new assumptions. The classic example is the urban myth about McDaniels supporting the Cutler trade while Xanders opposed it. All we know is that reports had the Bronco organization rejecting the proposed trade, there were no reports of information coming from inside the organization. The good cop/ bad cop dynamic is well known in social science. And we’re seeing a classic illustration of it here.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 18, 2009 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would rather slam my head in a car door than have a megalomanic and egotistical GM like AJ Smith....wow!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Just because the trade was with the Patriots
doesn’t mean it was McDaniels that orchestrated the whole thing. Sure, McDaniels probably told Xanders he wanted DL help, but I can’t see him saying, this is the only person I want so get him at all costs. And, if you think that a coach never has a say when acquiring new players, you must be kidding yourself.
I think Xanders had nothing to do with this trade. It’s a small trade, I really don’t have a strong feeling one way or another about this trade.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
I agree that getting contributions for low-round draft picks at minimum salaries is the best use of salary cap dollars. So what don’t you like about this move? They traded a fifth-round draft pick to get a guy with a sixth-round contract (that’s good in cap terms). And instead of hoping that he can play, we already know he can play, as evidenced by the part where he’s played a lot for one of the league’s top 3-4 defenses.
The funny thing, McGeorge, is that I can never tell whether you’re an optimist or a pessimist. It seems to change with the situation.
Plus we got him NOW
That 5th round pick next year? Is still in college. As is the 7th rounder we get in return.
And at that point?
We’ll have gone through an entire season with a player who has actually played.
And won’t have a pick to replace him if he doesn’t perform.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Actually, we'll have a seventh
Even still, a pick can’t perform when it’s not on the field.
Sometimes it needs pointing out that picks are for actual players. Which means that a future pick has just as much chance, if not MORE, of not performing than does an established player.
When it comes to McDaniels long term impact with Denver, I’m still a pessimist – this trade is a small reason why. The guy has too much power. More than one mad should.
I did like some of the things I saw on Friday, more than Peter King anyway.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
LOL!
Yeah, we might really need that 5th round pick to grab our next HOF RB!!
Cmon.
by lolcopter on Aug 17, 2009 10:41 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d just be happy if we got another Larsen, Hillis or McKennly.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
i think Larsen is really going to shine this year. he showed flashes playing MLB in the 4-3. he seems like the perfect sub for Andra Davis in the 3-4.
BIG, not the fastest, and hits like a freight train
smart too
my favorite.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 17, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Defense
I know it’s only preseason but after watching the First string D on Friday I feel a whole lot better about them. Peterson, McBean, and Fields all made plays so if this improves the D I’m all for it, however McGeorge, I don’t like giving up draft picks either but it’ll be years before we find out how it works out……..
D-Line help
that’s definitely a must. I figure we are playing with a bunch of “no name” players already, might as well add another guy with good size that can play in the 3-4.
Well Put
Big guy, knows a 3-4. I want to see what we traded for him but certainly McD must know him so they have a darn good idea of what they are getting.
I say, welcome to the Broncos! No go out there and kick some butt!
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
I'm starting to feel a little foolish.
This isn’t a ringing enorsement of Marcus Thomas or Carlton Powell…two players that got the full force of my optimism this offseason. Add that to my apparent miss on McBean’s play Friday night, and I think its time I just shut my keyboard when it comes to defensive line.
by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 17, 2009 9:04 AM MDT reply actions
Agreed
This move does indeed speak volumes. I too thought Marcus Thomas and Carlton Powell were doing much better. When we bring in a career back-up to compeat for a starting slot it does not bode well for our starting three. Other than the one huge missed tackle, I thought McBean played well Friday. Hmmm…makes me wonder. Don’t put away the keyboard yet PdO!
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
career backup means something different if you are backing up ty warren / vince wilfork, to me at least
it would be different if he was a career backup with our starting line from the last few years
by Todd Jewell on Aug 17, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
big +1
Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork, and Richard Seymour, to be more precise. Who exactly would he beat out to start with only 3 years under his belt in the NFL? With his performance last year (not spectacular, but good), this year could be his breakout, if he’s any good. Worst case, we got a good rotational guy with some upside. I’m fine with the trade.
by BroncosBassist on Aug 17, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Good points all
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
rotoworld says:
smith and a 7th in 2010 for broncos 2010 5th
thats cool i guess
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
We don’t have our 5th round pick in 2010. We traded it for Brandstarter.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Hey im surprised nobody caught on that. Did we have 2 5th round picks from something?
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After the draft
McD said in his press conference that they had a pick in every round of next year’s draft.
Have a good time all the time...that's my motto. - Viv Savage
Depth
It could be that the Broncos want to keep the D-Line fresh by rotating many players, so adding quality depth is not a statement that there is a problem with more than 1 or 2 players in camp. It may not be a statement that, for example, Thomas is not in the mix just as folks thought. .
From Alex Marvez at FoxSport
New England has traded defensive lineman Le Kevin Smith and a 2010 seventh-round draft pick to Denver for a 2010 fifth-round selection, a source told FOXSports.com.
The 6-foot-3, 308-pound Smith played his first three NFL seasons in New England, appearing in 15 games last season as part of the team’s defensive line rotation. He will bolster depth in Denver, which was seeking defensive line help in its transition to a 3-4 scheme.
By acquiring Denver’s fifth-round selection, the Patriots are assured of keeping their 2010 fourth-round pick. New England recently sent its 2010 third- and fourth-rounders to Oakland for linebacker Derrick Burgess. The trade, though, was made with the condition that a fifth-round pick could be substituted for the fourth-rounder if New England later acquired one. The Patriots traded their own 2010 fifth-round pick earlier this year to Tampa Bay for tight end Alex Smith.
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
So it looks like Oakland will get our 5th round pick
as part of the deal our 5th round pick will go to Oakland allowing the patriots to keep their own 4th round pick…?? Did I understand that right?
On To Victory!!!
Yep that’s right. They got a 3rd and 4th, but if the Patriots would get a 5th after the trade, they would be able to exchange it, so Oakland will get our pick yes.
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
Shanahan would be so proud of young Josh.
He gets a guy we need for not too much and can screw Davis at the same time. How cool is that?
broncorat
That looks like a great trade
Smith is an unusually talented player who has excelled at special teams and has played both DE and NT at the NFL level. In high school, he was the USA Today Player of the Year for Georgia, took three state championships in discus and two in the shotput as well (so he’s a heck of an athlete), went to college and started 35 of 49 games on the D line for Nebraska and contributed 6 sacks to the league leading 50 from the D line in 2005. As a pro, he has played as a DE, DT and NT in addition to being a special teams standout while in NE.
Given that we’re getting a proven player whose skills can immediately benefit us from NE along with a 7th round pick for a 5th, I can’t see any downside to this acquisition at all. The Raiders made this possible by trading Derrick Burgess to NE, who needed to create a space for a potential starter, and we are reaping the benefits. This is a great situation for the Broncos.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
Farm Team
I am very suspicious of picking up players from a coach’s former team. Reminds me of the Yankees and Kansas City in baseball in the 1950’s. The halo effect often shines bright for players who are marginal on very good teams. While I have no problem with upgrading the defensive line, unless the price was really cheap and conditional upon the player making the squad, I am not so enthusiastic about this move.
by Baltimore Bronco on Aug 17, 2009 9:29 AM MDT reply actions
We get the player
…and fall two rounds late in the draft next year.
Not bad for a 300+ guy who’s been learning behind 3 number 1s and knows the 34 — if he makes the squad.
depth = good
the guy has a big frame and he has played in the 3-4 already
i was impressed with our d-line, in the first pre-season game, but you can never have too much depth on the d-line
we lose a 5th round pick, and gain a player and a 7th round pick
this is NOTHING fans should worry about. except for the obligatory “omg i can’t believe coach brought in another patriot!?1!!1 we are turnings into patriots westsss”
doesn't bode well for pedescleaux and davis...
they looked awkward and slow during the game in the fourth quarter though.
Practice Squad
I hope one or both of them lands on the PS to develop for a year or two. Hopefully, in a few years, we’ll be the team with too much depth at DL, looking to trade for more picks. I can hope, right? :) Just as long as we aren’t trading them to KC.
by BroncosBassist on Aug 17, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Thats what I am hoping..but… a question I’ve wanted to ask… if they are on the PS, any team can sign them right?
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yeahbut...
That is true, but it doesn’t happen all that often. If a team in the throes of a 4-3 to 3-4 switch puts the guy on the PS, he probably won’t have much value to other teams for a while. The Broncos will value him because, like any employee of a company, they have an investment in his training. They are hoping that a year or two of practicing with the team will make that investment pay off. Not uncommon for DL, I think.
by BroncosBassist on Aug 17, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Pedescleaux/Davis will likely be practice squad..... Not bad?
Be more concerned for Marcus thomas (DL). Carlton Powell will be given time to prove himself…Someone has to be released…. Maybe Matthias Askew? He’s been a ghost on the field and in the media..
Let Pedescleaux and Davis remain…. Like their upside!!!!! We do need proven DL help…. Lekevin may jus be our newest DE rotational player. Chris Baker is really coming on!
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He needs a nickname.
Le Clerks? Le Mallrat? Le Chasing Amy?
lol
Am I the only one that laughed at that?
Le Dogma?
by BroncosBassist on Aug 17, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Interesting...
I like Smith’s size and experience in the 3-4. This seems like a move to solidify that other DE position opposite of Marcus Thomas. So the second team would be Thomas, Baker, Smith. This is not good news for Nic Clemons or Askew. Powell, Pedescleaux, and Davis still have an opportunity to make the practice squad.
If he performs as anticipated they might need to think about his contract situation, I believe he is in his last year. Nothing big, but would hate to give up a 5th round pick for a one year back-up. If the guy can play, keep him on the team.
we only move down 2 late rounds? AWESOME
What’s not to like about this trade? He was a backup, but we didn’t give up much for him at all.
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
backup with upside
He was a backup, but he played in 15 games last year (his 3rd), and got some half-decent stats. This might be the year he really starts to shine. Hell, very few would have a chance to crack that starting lineup at NE.
by BroncosBassist on Aug 17, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
McD continues beefing up the front seven...
which everyone the MSM slammed him for not doing with rookies. Getting an experienced, good-guy, proven, capable, 3-4 DE fits right into…
The McDaniel’s Master Plan.
I hope someone lets Dukes know that McD does in fact know what he is doing. IMHO, Bowlen’s move is starting to look like pure genius.
broncorat
thoughts on Kevin Smith trade
One of the things that roster projection exercises do is give one a sense of the depth situation. Here’s our DL according to the depth chart:
LDE – McBean, Thomas
NT – Fields, Baker, Powell
RDE – Peterson, Askew – also: Pedescleaux, Clemons, Davis
I won’t break it down completely but notice the experience level. Do I need to say anything more?
I sincerely like Pedescleaux, Davis, etc., but a team is in trouble if it has to use that many rookies. And include Powell as one of those rookies. It was glaringly apparent that we lacked experienced depth when I prepared my roster, as part of my own little exercise.
Should we be disturbed by the trade? Not really. Acquiring depth may result in sending a player to the practice squad that you thought would make the 53 man squad but it’s necessary if we want to avoid scenarios like the last two years.
Oddly, I previously wrote a post in which I said that a heuristic of 7-DLs, 9-LBs & 9-DBs made a good starting point for projecting the final roster. I found I had a hard time finding six DLs let alone seven. I’d still like to find 7 worthy DLs, especially since we may need 3 NTs, but adding more UDFAs to create depth isn’t a workable solution. There’s still a glaring need for quality veteran DLs.
I’d like to see us add even more depth. I don’t think the Smith acquisition should be our last before the start of the season.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 17, 2009 12:02 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Adding even more D Line depth
I agree, especially once teams start whittling down their rosters.
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
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