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Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations

Happy Tuesday, friends, and welcome to another edition of ST&NO, this time with actual football to talk about.  We'll start with some thoughts about Friday night's game, we'll reflect briefly on Jay Cutler's Chicago debut, and we'll move into some other topics also.  Get excited, because it's going to be a lot of fun.  Ready.... BEGIN!!!

1.  Friday night thoughts follow, with an effort not to beat the same drums as others have been.  (The Tuesday AM time slot doesn't look so great, when the game was played on Friday night.)

a.  I was very, very pleased with what I saw of the first-team front 7.  To me, that was the best sign of the game.  They were active, they tackled well, and they played physically up front.  The OLBs did a nice job, and played like standup ends mostly, mirroring the 5-2 look a few of us speculated we'd see.

b.  Kyle Orton needs to improve, obviously.  He could start by realizing that he has a fantastic O-Line in front of him, and settling his feet down.  His arm is strong enough to make every throw, but he needs to have his feet set, like most QBs.  There aren't many Jay Cutler's, who can be lazy in their lower half, and still usually power the ball to the general area they're going to.  I've come to think of that as a vice, more than a virtue, really.  Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have to get their feet set EVERY time, so they do it just about EVERY time.  Orton's third INT was particularly an example of bad footwork leading to a weak throw.

c.  Chris Baker may start at NT by Week 4.  He looked like a beast, and got a sack.  I think the Broncos are really onto something with him.

d.  Alphonso Smith is going to be a top-notch player in the NFL for a long time.  His pass breakup when he got his feet tangled on the play was a thing of beauty, and he looked explosive (like always) returning kicks.  I've been saying it since before the draft, so I'll keep saying it.  The Broncos are never going to regret trading for the pick they used to take him.

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e.  I thought the offensive play-calling wasn't great, particularly with Orton on the field.  I think a little more balance would have helped, and challenging the deep part of the field also would have been useful.

f.  I can't figure out why Vernon Fox is on the roster.  He was awful last season, and should have been part of the purge.  That terrible long TD by the 49ersBrit Miller was clearly Fox's responsibility.

g.  If Orton continues to struggle, I am comfortable with Chris Simms.  Truthfully, I could care less which one is the starter.  Neither one is my son, you know?  I think they can both play well, and help the Broncos win.

h.  I did a fair bit of tweeting during the game, @TedBartlett905.  I may continue to do so, in future games.  Follow me, if you like my work.

i.  I generally liked how physical the team looked.  They've never been a quote-unquote physical team, for as long as I can remember.  This was something I was really watching for, and I was pleased with the results.

j.  I thought the TEs were very under-utilized in the passing game.  I realize that the offensive coaches have an extensive toolbox to work with, but a lot of matchup problems can be created with those guys.  I hope to see Tony Scheffler running deep soon, because he's unstoppable downfield, with his size and speed.

2.  I watched the beginning of the Bears-Bills game on Saturday, and Pro Bowl QB Jay Cutler looked like he hasn't improved at all.  He still threw flat-footed, he still made bad decisions, and he still made a couple of big-time throws, to remind you that he can, especially one he put ON Desmond Clark down the seam. 

It was kind of like seeing an ex-girlfriend at a party, if our members who don't date ladies will momentarily forgive the simile (not metaphor).  For a minute, you think she looks hot, and you remember what it was like when you used to date, and she did all those wild things, when it was time for doing wild things.  Man, she was a lot of fun.  Then she drinks too much, and she's doing keg stands, and then she throws up in a potted plant, and is hanging all over the chump who was just holding her hair back.  He evidently doesn't care that she threw up, a little vomit doesn't bother him, because now he's making out with her anyway.  You're vividly reminded why you broke up with her, right?

Jay can still fire the ball, but he still locks onto receivers, and he seems to be learning that Devin Hester is no Brandon Marshall.  He's not even a Brandon Stokley, actually, and has a long way to go before he can even be called a good receiver.  Six of Jay's ten throws went to Hester, which is very problematic, and then he threw Hester under the bus for the interception (You stay classy, Jay).  The Bears' O-line struggled against the Bills too, which was a bad sign, and Jay showed happier feet than I have seen since the Seattle game, his rookie year.  Jay threw one interception, had another easy one dropped by Reggie Corner, and had a 3rd-down throw into quadruple coverage in the end zone batted down.  His passer rating of 30.8 even managed to make Kyle Orton's 32.6 look a little better.  I'm not saying, I'm just saying....

3. Thoughts and Observations on other games:

a.  Aaron Rodgers looked terrific for the Packers, and the Browns first-team defense looked completely abysmal.  The Browns had no pass rush, no coverage, and ill-timed penalties, like a defensive holding on 4th and 6.

b.  Due to a preference for soundness and consistency, I am predisposed to prefer Brady Quinn to Derek Anderson, but Quinn looked a lot better, again.  He led the Browns to a pretty good early drive, which saw a made field goal get disallowed by a Hank Fraley penalty, and turn into a missed field goal. At the end of the first half, Braylon Edwards dropped a sure TD on him, one play before Quinn threw a pick while getting hit.  Quinn, as usual, looked decisive and fundamentally sound.  Anderson looked ragged, and threw a bad interception against tight coverage.

c.  I like the Bills' use of the no-huddle in mid-game situations.  It gave them some matchup advantages against Chicago, and they looked improved with it, over the previous week in Canton.

d.  The Bears had Henry Melton as a kickoff returner, which was a sight to behold.  Melton is a Defensive End, who wears uniform number 69.  He's 6-4 and 269 pounds, and he did play some running back at Texas (132-625-16 in his career, not bad).  He actually looked pretty nimble, and had a 20-yard return, which he fielded nicely on a bounce, in the third quarter. 

e.  The Bears had better hope Cutler doesn't get hurt.  Brett Basanez and Caleb Hanie are not good - especially Basanez, a Northwestern grad, who ought to be thinking about where he wants to go to graduate school.  Maybe the 5 Commodores on the team can put in a good word for him at Vanderbilt.

f.  Ellis Lankster, another CB I really liked in the draft, got 2 interceptions off of Basanez.  Lankster played at West Virginia, and I saw a lot of him last fall, when I was dating a big Mountaineers fan.  He's a guy who plays a lot better than he times, and he looks like a steal as a 7th rounder. The Bills are very deep at CB, but Lankster is going to make the team, as a seventh-rounder.

g.  Matthew Stafford looked pretty good for the Lions, except for a back-foot interception which he got returned for a TD.  The guy I really was pretty impressed with was Drew Stanton.  He led the Lions to the win at the end of the game.  For a guy who was a second-round pick, you have to wonder why he never got a chance to play, especially during an 0-16 season.  I wonder if he didn't just get caught up in the Marinelli/Millen shuffle.

h.  #36 for the Bears, Josh Bullocks, threw one of the body-rockingest blocks you'll ever see on a punt return.  He lit some poor Buffalo Bill up, and got his returner 10 extra yards.

i.  Local Philly MSMer Bob Brookover said that Jason Peters looked good against the Patriots, and the NFP reposted the article with the headline Peters Paying Dividends.  I beg to differ.  I watched him get beat repeatedly, and I thought he looked really fat and slow.  Winston Justice, who played on the right side, is a terrible player, and he was also repeatedly abused.  It's time to give up on the Justice-has-potential meme.

j.  A Browns player who jumped out at me was rookie CB Coye Francies.  He looks really active, and smashed a Packers RB on a play where he looked like he had some daylight.  He also had an interception of the totally inept-looking Brian Brohm.  Remember when Brohm was going to be the #1 pick in the 2007 Draft, after his junior season?  Matt Flynn is a lot better than him, and was picked 5 rounds later.

k.  For being new to zone blocking, the Seahawks looked pretty good at it.  Julius Jones is a good RB for that kind of scheme, because he gets downhill quickly, and he had pretty solid success against the Chargers.

l.  I think the Chargers defense still looked vulnerable.  The Seahawks were able to throw and run against them.  Shawne Merriman mostly stayed blocked, and had no impact on the game, although Shaun Phillips looked active and quick.

m. Matt Cassel struggled mightily for the Chiefs, showing happy feet, inaccurate passing, and a fumbled exchange (though, to be fair, it was raining).  Chiefs fans shouldn't panic, though, just like we shouldn't panic.

n.  A guy who looked very good for the Chiefs was Tamba Hali.  He seems to be making a good transition from DE to 3-4 OLB, and he was very active, playing the whole first half.  He had some rushes against Eric Winston, a good RT, where he got good pressure.

o.  Matt Schaub looked really sharp for the Texans, completing all 7 of his throws for 70 yards.  I've always liked Schaub, and I think if he can stay healthy, he'll have a big year.  The Texans offense, as we all know, gets guys open on a lot of crossing stuff, and creates high-percentage opportunities.

p.  Old friend Jim Bates' Buccaneers defense looked quick and sound, especially Stylez G. White (formerly Greg White).  He had a sack and a really impressive interception of Kerry CollinsSabby Piscitelli looked like he is putting his game together to match his talent, and he also picked off Collins, in the end zone.

q.  Another old friend, John Lynch, did the color commentary for the Bucs, and he seemed very natural at it.

r.  Byron Leftwich is the same as ever.  He throws the ball really well, but needs to elaborately wind up to do it, and has no pocket mobility.  He did make a really nice throw for a TD, to another old friend, Brian Clark.  Clark also forced a safety on a punt, by getting himself held in the end zone, with a really impresisve rush.

s. I've been critical of Vince Young, but he played well Saturday.  He had a couple of nice throws in the second quarter, especially a deep ball to Kenny Britt, and later hit Britt with a 37-yard TD pass.  Britt looked like the real deal, and I was kind of indifferent to him, coming out of Rutgers.

t. Titans backup Center Fernando Velasco did a repeatedly horrible job with the shotgun snap.  There was inadequate velocity on his snaps, and he grounded one to Young on a 3rd down near the end of the first half.  Young stupidly/wildly lateraled the ball over LenDale White's head, and White smartly kicked the ball out of bounds, once he caught up to it.

u.  The Bucs have a lot of quality depth at RB, which people aren't mentioning much.  Derrick Ward and Cadillac Williams have both been 1,000-yard rushers, and Earnest Graham got 898 and 10 TDs in 2008.  Behind them is Clifton Smith, who made the Pro Bowl as a return man last season, and looked good carrying the ball from scrimmage this weekend.

v.   It was mostly assumed that Clint Sintim would be drafted by a 3-4 team, since he played in one of the very few collegiate 3-4's at the University of Virginia.  When the Giants took him in the second round, a lot of people were surprised, but I was not one of them.  The Giants 4-3 plays like a 5-2, and their SLB tends to be DE-sized, like Mathias Kiwanuka.  The Jim Johnson-led Eagles have tended to do something similar, which I am sure is where Steve Spagnuolo picked it up, but the Giants are really heavy on rushing 5 big guys most of the time.  Sintim looked really good on Monday night, with a sack and a forced fumble, and a couple more solid rushes.

w.  The Giants' first-round pick Hakeem Nicks looks completely lost, and got nothing done on Monday night.  The Panthers' top pick, second-rounder Everette Brown, looked pretty good in his opportunities, and Jon Gruden credited him with finishing well on one occasion.

4.  Interesting note from Pro Football Weekly's Whispers column:

• The Broncos recently moved Marcus Thomas from nose tackle to defensive end and we hear he will challenge DE Ryan McBean for a starting spot. Sources say Thomas is the team's most talented D-lineman, but it could take him some time to learn his new position in the team's 3-4 scheme after he was used as a tackle in a 4-3 set previously. McBean, who has just one game of experience, has not impressed observers thus far.

When I first heard that Thomas was being tried on the nose, it struck me as a little strange.  He's much more a quick-footed guy than a mauler.  He did look good at DE in the 30-fronts the Broncos used last season, so I think this is a smart move.

McBean got a coverage sack on Friday, but generally didn't distinguish himself much in the rest of the game.  I think Thomas can do very well given this chance, and I expect him to earn the starting job.

5.  Fun with Peter "Mr. Light and Breezy" King

e. It won't matter what kind of play the Broncos get out of Orton or Simms if they play defense the way they played against the all-star lineup of Shaun Hill, Alex Smith and Damon Huard. I know, I know. Preseason Week 1. Who cares? Half of these guys will be gone in two weeks. But 14 of 18 passing, for a 143.5 rating? And 30 San Fran carries for a 4.5-yard average? Not good.

This is a lot like saying that the Broncos had the second-best offense in the NFL last season.  At the end of the day, the defense held San Francisco to 17 points, and nothing else matters.  Remember, one TD was at least partially a gift of great field position by way of Orton's 3rd INT.  This team is probably going to get the ball moved on them this season, but if they can hold the opponents to field goals instead of Touchdowns, they can win a lot of games. 

This is exactly what Miami did last season, in going 11-5.  People remember the Wildcat, and solid play by Chad Pennington, but scoring-area defense was the hallmark of their success.  It goes a long, long way.  As for Mr. Light and Breezy, I am pretty sure he was in attendance for this game, so it kind of boggles my mind why he is relying on the stat sheet, rather than his own eyes.  Allowing 4.5 yards per rush sounds bad, to be sure.   Par for the course, I guess, though.

6.  I like the Michael Vick-to-the-Eagles move.  Low pressure for him, and he can get back into the swing, and probably play in some specialty packages by the end of the year.  Expect him to be in high demand next offseason, if he looks good at all, and the Eagles will now have a quality tradeable asset, with one club-option year for 2010. 

The dogfighting stigma is already fading, mostly thanks to Tony Dungy and the Eagles.  By next year, PETA will still be trying to make hay from Vick, but they'll be the only media force who is, and even Ted the Well-Known Liberal will grant you that nobody outside of PETA really takes PETA very seriously.  What they stand for is important, and worthwhile (at a high level), but their shrillness and rigidity puts them outside of the mainstream.  (Before I get excoriated, I think that most everybody can generally get behind the ethical treatment of animals, but there's a variance in what that exactly means in people's minds.  That's what I mean about a high level.)  If Vick can behave and dedicate himself to being a good player, he can redeem his career and his life, which is a great thing for anybody everybody who has ever made a mistake.

7.  Retired for John Elway.

8. I will be in New Hampshire visiting family from Wednesday night through Sunday morning, so chances are, I won't get to see the game live on Saturday night, unless I can find a bar with NFL Network, and my brother wants to go, the night before his 5 AM flight back to L.A on Sunday.  I may tweet a little from my iPhone, if I can make it work.  I'm hopeful, at least.

9. How about Tom Cable apparently breaking his assistant's jaw?  That's putting the fun in dysfunctional, there, Raiders-style.  I remember when Buddy Ryan socked Kevin Gilbride on the sideline once in the early 90s, when they were the coordinators for the Oilers.  That got a lot of notoriety, but this seems worse, considering the nature of the injury, and the fact that it was the HEAD COACH.  I actually kind of feel bad for Raiders fans.

As I mentioned, I'll be out of pocket, and out in the woods at the end of the week, but I hope everybody has a great one.  Until next Tuesday, I'll be keeping it Shallow and Nearsighted, like always.

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Ironically

PETA has killed more dogs than Michael Vick (they didn’t torture them, though, just euthanized)

Really have to adjust to: 1 – being on the East coast now, 2- not having DVR, 3- not having NFLN. I’m discombobulated, at least until we get a house out here. Speaking of which, anyone know good sports bar (Broncos Bar?) in Orange Park, Florida (outside of Jacksonville)?

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Aug 18, 2009 6:50 AM MDT reply actions  

I used to frequent Orange Park...

I lived in Mayport and Jacksonville between 1996 and 2002. I never came across any Broncos bars, though. This sounds like it should become a full-on MHR project, finding Bronco backer locations to congregate. Calijoefornia and Kfustud seem to have started with it, already.

I live in the Cleveland area, and I have Sunday Ticket. Local Broncos fans in need can always come post up on my couch, if they can handle me pacing and taking notes. Given that I do a lot of note-taking for ST&NO, I do best in my own living room, personally, and prefer it even to attending games in person.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Aug 18, 2009 7:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Ale House!

I used to live in Miami and Orlando. Florida has a great sports bar chain called “Miller’s Ale House”. Just google it, I think there are 3-5 of them in Jacksonville. Great bar menu, great beer selection, and awesome NFL Sundays. Fans from every team will be in there.

Here ya go:

http://millersalehouse.com/

by SinDonor on Aug 18, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I used to drink at the Ale House. Good spot, for sure.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Aug 18, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

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by John Bena on Aug 18, 2009 6:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the tip! Have been undecided what app to use, if u like it im sure it will work for me too!

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by BroncosNL on Aug 18, 2009 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

wow long one this week!

But football’s started… should be no surprise! woot!

I’m gonna have to come back to finish this… gotta start some work.

BTW, your ex-girlfriend metaphor is hilarious. :)

by tunga77 on Aug 18, 2009 7:26 AM MDT reply actions  

Not a metaphor, a simile. But yes I agree, hilarious metaphor….errr……..simile

by theraccoun on Aug 18, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Pffft... gee thanks, Mr. English Major

Just playin…

Imma techy, plz forgive me… I can hardly spell sumtymez…

by tunga77 on Aug 18, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good coverage

I like how ya mentioned the rest of the games throughout the league. How sweet was Aarron Rodgers TD pass over the weekend…

by Vandylaxn21 on Aug 18, 2009 7:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Great read.

Don’t EVER feel sorry for Raider fans.

Your #2 team (the Browns) are going to battle KC for the #1 overall pick in 2010 (with Quinn or Anderson at QB). Cleveland’s savior, Quinn, is as average a QB as they come.

KC has a long way to go under Haley. They looked awful vs Houston, esp in the 1st half.

I watched the Miami vs Jacksonville game last night. I know Denver can’t beat either team for some stupid reason, but I wish Denver had both these teams on their 2009 schedule. Very little offensive talent on either roster. I can’t believe Garrard gets paid well to play QB. I’m not happy that we get New England and San Diego gets Miami.

On the other hand, I’m glad San Diego has to play Tennessee and we get Indy. Tennessee will be the better team in 2009.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 18, 2009 7:37 AM MDT reply actions  

“I know Denver can’t beat either team for some stupid reason, but I wish Denver had both these teams on their 2009 schedule. Very little offensive talent on either roster.”

Well aren’t you just a barrel of bubbly fun. If we can’t beat either one, why do you wish we were playing them this year? If they can’t beat the teams they have, and they can’t beat the teams you want them to play, why does it matter? Are you SURE you’re a fan of this team?

by aLuffabo on Aug 18, 2009 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

He meant

They can’t seem to beat them historically — but that he’d rather chance it against teams the Broncos have struggled against in the past than play the schedule we’re saddled with this season.

At least, that’s how I read it, and I’m not one who can ever be accused of leaping to McGeorge’s defense. Historically.

by JeffG on Aug 18, 2009 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Correct Jeff. We never seem to be able to beat Miami or Jacksonville (historically), but they both looked terrible last night – especially Jacksonville’s 1st string offense.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 18, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Did you See

Carolina’s Defense? Now that looked ugly.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 18, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

ha

i’m just glad you did it so I didn’t have to defend him again /grin

by Todd Jewell on Aug 18, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Whoops, my apologies McGeorge. Looks like I picked the one post where you’re not dumping on our chances this year to jump all over you. :)

I’ll go stand in the corner now.

by aLuffabo on Aug 18, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

What were the odds eh?

JK JK

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 18, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

better to go hard

I’m sure based on how McD does preseason, he’d rather the schedule be difficult. It tunes ’em up for the playoffs….in terms of confidence. Remember that NYG v. NE game was a big part of the SB upset.

I’ll take the hard schedule, but I’m also over confident on going to the playoffs.

by BideshiBronco on Aug 18, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Local groups.....

Anyone else live in West Virginia? I live in Parkersburg….don’t know of any other Bronco fans around…most are for Steelers, Browns, and Bungles..oops i meant Bengals.

by vdisciple on Aug 18, 2009 8:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Peter King
As for Mr. Light and Breezy, I am pretty sure he was in attendance for this game, so it kind of boggles my mind why he is relying on the stat sheet, rather than his own eyes. .

I think King has settled into the comfort of playing the wind-sock role with the national MSM. He follows the conventional line and backs up his opinion using box scores and whichever game recap best fits his original position. I read him very closely the last couple of years and it was clear every week that he had strong opinions on stuff he never even watched. He said some amazingly stupid things not only about Denver games, but also many others that made it clear he didn’t even see the game in question. The guy drank the Cowboy kool aid last year like it was the nectar of the God’s or something. That’s one of the reasons I don’t read him at all anymore— he doesn’t even do the ground work.

Funny story about King, though: He got really annoyed with me via his mail column and via Email regarding my assertion that the HoF is biased. I had the honor of being his mail bag idiot of the week and scolded via Email, basically. Suffice to say, the man isn’t light and breezy when it comes to the integrity of the HoF committee.

by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 18, 2009 8:10 AM MDT reply actions  

Guys like that...

pi$$ me off. Excuse my language, but when you’ve got the sweetest job in the world and get paid a bucketload of cash, I’m sure, to do it, at least you could have the decency to DO THE WORK!!!

I mean, any one of the writeups from the MHR “amateur hacks” around here about their observations from Training Camp blow away his “professional” drivel. He gets all the access to anyone and anything in the NFL he wants and he can’t even put in the time to write something worthwhile. He puts more effort into reviewing his daughter’s cricket matches for all the world to read (Cute, Pete). What a di(k. Again, sorry for my language, but crap like this riles me up. I don’t care that you criticize the Broncos, but follow the old bulletin board maxim: Have a take, don’t suck.

I guess if there’s a silver lining, this tool is a great ad for places like MHR. I’ll read Ted every day and twice on Sundays over King Peter.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on Aug 18, 2009 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I borrowed Mr. Light and Breezy from a comment from Chibronx yesterday
Can we come up with a good nickname for Peter King, too? I would personally go with "The Boringest Man in America."

Look, I know that his job is essentially to sell the NFL, and thus to keep it simple and breezy. But really, the best he’s got about the game is the Kyle Orton threw three interceptions? Did anybody block for him? How were the schemes? How’d they look without Brandon Marshall (see, Mr. Boring, you could have used that point to talk about all the turbulence, again). And then, oh, I dunno, did the Broncos have any defensive players in the game? What did they look like?

The worst, per the great journalism discussion we had here last week, is that Mr. Milquetoast is writing an opinion column, and can’t even say something firm. His conclusions are:

If Kyle Orton throws lots of interceptions, the Broncos will be bad.

You have to wonder.

Of course, he’s never really been interception-prone. But maybe he will be now? That would be bad.

Imagine being paid a lot of money to watch and write about football and yet, oddly, having nothing whatsoever to say about it.

End of rant. ’Morning, Doug, and thanks as always.

by Chibronx on Aug 17, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Of course, I had just laughed when I read this, and got it wrong from memory, substituting “light” for “simple.” But you get the idea, anyway. Maybe we can go with the Boringest Man In America, henceforth. You know what? In the ST&NO dictatorship, official policy has just been made. So let it be written, so let it be done. Big up, Chibronx, for the name.

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by Ted Bartlett on Aug 18, 2009 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m flattered, TB.

Again, imagine being given that awesome job and using your power to make recycled jokes about delays at O’Hare. I didn’t know that criminally dull people could be so freaking narcissistic. It’s kind of fascinating.

by Chibronx on Aug 18, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Personally, I'm a big fan of Mr. Milquetoast

Just because I think that perfectly captures him— and uses an actual English word. :)

"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"

by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 18, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

He is also shameless about the butt-kissing letters

Seems like every week he puts up a letter from someone saying how great he is. Woody does the same thing with readers that drool all over his Around the Horn spots. Then they both get to say “aw shucks”.

Seems pretty transparent to me, and suggests that ego is going to play a bigger role than journalistic integrity or hard work in their product.

by ShawnDenver on Aug 18, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The stats tell a different story about that game than the way the game actually played out on the field.

We still had trouble on third and long, but anybody watching that game would be hard pressed to think the Broncos gave up 4.5 yards per rush. The numbers are what they are. But sometimes numbers lie (or at least, are given to exaggeration).

by JeffG on Aug 18, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

4.5 yards per rush

I have not noticed anyone mentioning that the 4.5 ypr are mostly because a couple KEY rushes for the 49’ers when they gained huge yardage. Most of the time they were stopped short, for a loss, or for no gain. The average is skewed, however, on the basis of what…..3…..4 different runs that actually broke through?

Besides that I only saw 2 horrible rush protections that I can instantly recall. Our D seems to have greatly stepped it up and yet I’ve seen no mention of this one point. Just my 2 cents.

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by DenBronx on Aug 18, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree here

And I admit, I was swayed at first by the 4.5 number. But re-watching the game made me think, “WTH?” It really was the big runs that killed our average, and between that and consistent 4-6 yarders I’ll take the big runs/no gain scenario. That’s easier to fix.

But still, a little voice inside me remembers that I was saying the same things after the Chiefs game in Week 4 of 2008. And we all know how that turned out. I’m conflicted.

"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"

by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 18, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

2nd Teamers

I just remember the long gains were only on the 2nd team. That’s a positive for me.

by Endzone on Aug 18, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

That not entirely true

The First BIG gain was first team 1st quarter. Don’t forget, however, that the 49’ers are not a team with Adrian Peterson or LT. I think our Defense is MUCH improved, and the 4.5 ypc is a great number given the reasoning, but I also know that our offense will have to be stellar against the chargers and teams with Star RB’s. so overall great showing in my opinion and I wish the MSM would focus on the big gains as the only reason their AVG wasn’t 2.5 ypc.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Aug 18, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Problem is, numbers can be a harbinger of future performance

Wasn’t able to see the game this past week (was in germany), but I get worried when folks say things like “yeah, but they only scored 17 points!”

In 2006, the Defense didn’t allow a touchdown in the first 3 or 4 games… but was giving up yardage left and right… it was obviously unsustainable, and true enough, we promptly gave up a boatload of points the rest of the season.

As was pointed out in Styg’s evaluation of Orton, the process matters a lot more than the outcome in pre-season games (and to a lessor extent in regular season games).

Now, from what is written here, I think this might be the evaluation of the Defensive process….

Solid if unspectacular, but prone to occassional lapses resulting in big plays, boht in the running and passing games.

To me, that sounds like a bad defense, but perhaps better than last year. If some of those mental lapses are holdover guys like Fox that are unlikely to make it out of camp, all the better….

by cjfarls on Aug 18, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

That was pretty much what I was getting at

The Defensive play, as has been mentioned here and not the MSM, has certainly been makedly improved. More sacks, and OVERALL better run protection. I mean last year we looked like swiss cheese…..now its more like…..Mozzerella. (less holes but soft and sometime broken apart)

ok horrible metaphor….guess what? I don’t care. I liked it :-P

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Aug 18, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

King is on my last nerve

I generally tolerate him but I don’t want to hear about his bad experiences with coffee and hotels anymore.

He must be way too comfortable in his job to think he can write about that crap to think that everyone’s going to just lap it up and love it.

He needs to learn how to edit his 6 pages of mindless filler down to one pithy paragraph.

by NYCBronx on Aug 18, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Phenomenal depth as always, Ted

Football fans of the Broncos and anyone else should be reading your work…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 8:26 AM MDT reply actions  

OK, even the acronym could work

Depending on where you want the emphasis: BMiA, bMIA .. (though maybe “action” is kinda generous).

by MakeCents on Aug 18, 2009 8:26 AM MDT reply actions  

I'm starting to warm up to that name now, though...

If only because it has “MIA” in the acronym. That’s equally apt.

"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"

by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 18, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

"I actually kind of feel bad for Raiders fans."

Feel free to go take that shower now, Ted.

Great write up, BTW, look forward to it every week.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on Aug 18, 2009 8:26 AM MDT reply actions  

Great read...but don't ever feel bad for raider fans. :P

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Aug 18, 2009 8:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Really good post, thank you

My only slight disagreement is with the Alphonso Smith-related statement “The Broncos are never going to regret trading for the pick they used to take him.”

They will probably never regret drafting him, but they might regret not packaging some combination of their 2nd rounder and two 3rd rounders in ’09 and/or 2nd/3rd rounders in ’10 to draft Smith.

If (and it’s a big if) Orton completely busts, having 2 1st rounders next year would have given them all the flexibility they would ever need to draft their “QB of the future”. Now, with only Chicago’s #1 next year, it’s going to be a lot more difficult to do so.

Unless of course, we get a serviceable WR and a 1st for BM, then we’ll be in business again :)

by creamy on Aug 18, 2009 8:52 AM MDT reply actions  

I'm not convinced

that Brandstater isn’t that guy already. Frankly I think we’ve seen far more 1st-round QBs bust than succeed in the past several years. The expectations that go with those picks are so absurd that it crushes a lot of them.

by ShawnDenver on Aug 18, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

And Mannings, Big Bens, Rivers, Cutlers, McNabbs, Rodgers.

Just like D-linemen, you gotta roll the dice on 1st round picks at QB (lot of hits, lot of misses). It’s really really hard to get franchise QBs in rounds 3-7.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 18, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

A look at the top-10 QBs last year by rating includes undrafted guys Kurt Warner, Tony Romo & Jeff Garcia, 2nd-rounder Drew Brees, 3rd-rounder Matt Schaub, and 7th-rounder Matt Cassel.

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Now, don’t get me wrong McG – I agree with your point about 1st-round QBs. Generally, if you want a great QB you’ve gotta spend a 1 to get him. I’m just saying that there are plenty of exceptions…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

What have Cutler and Rodgers done to be on that list?

They have losing records. Not that they are busts, but they sure aren’t successful, yet.

by adamriggs on Aug 18, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

They’re not winners, yet. They may never be winners. If not, they will not be considered “great” QBs. But whether they are quality NFL QBs and worthy of first-round picks is already a resounding “Yes.”

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Since we're listing good high round QBs

How about these 1st round winners? ;-)

Akili Smith
Dan McGwire
Todd Marinovich
Todd Blackledge
Andre Ware
Cade McNown
David Klingler
Tim Couch
and of course Ryan Leaf

by underdog on Aug 18, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh and

Rick Mirer and Heath Shuler and…

okay, I’ll stop now.

by underdog on Aug 18, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

What is the standard of being a worthy first round quarterback?

A losing record? I am not saying they won’t be worthy of it, but to put them into that list right now is not accurate.

To me, in order to be worth a first-round pick as a quarterback you need to win more games than you lose. Really, you should win at least 55% of your games.

by adamriggs on Aug 18, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aaron Rodgers and his 93.8 QB rating in his first season getting any significant playing time would have a place on any team of mine. And I’d use a 1st-rounder on him every time…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is your prerogative.

And I think I have been clear that winning is the most important thing. I have no doubt that Rodgers will be a good to great quarterback, but he isn’t there quite yet.

by adamriggs on Aug 18, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course winning is everything. But would you really blame Green Bay’s record on Rodgers last year? I’m saying right here that the Packers and Rodgers will win at least 10 games this year. You can quote me on that one when I’m wrong, haha. But we’re talking first-round picks here. We’re not talking about putting him in the HOF. Are you saying that you have no doubt he’ll be good-great but that doesn’t mean he’s worth a 1st-round pick? Really? Then who IS worth a first-rounder?

Keep in mind that by your measurements above, Kyle Orton is a 1st-round worthy guy…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed. That guy is impressive and remarkably polished for someone of such limited experience. He’s single-handedly blown up my All-Jeff-Tedford-QBs-Bomb riff. In a few years, nobody is going to remember Kyle Boller or Akili Smith well enough to get my jokes. For shame.

The funny thing to me is that we’re now going to hear the gasbags yakking nonstop about who the best QB in the NFC North is. I know who it is, and I can also guarantee you that he’ll be systematically omitted from the discussion.

The Pack had a good team last year, but they were unlucky. Any progress on that much hinted-at analysis of scoring differentials and luck, NYC?

by Chibronx on Aug 18, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ahh, yes. You remembered, CB. It was something of a monstrosity – a group of articles on statistics and their correlation to winning, and then point differentials. It actually got too big, and I need to pare it down to fewer pieces so as not to put MHR’s readership to sleep collectively and concurrently. Unfortunately I haven’t had time to do so, but I will turn my attention back to it. Thanks for the reminder.

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

PS. My Tedford jokes have also fallen by the wayside, and I’m likewise bummed about that.

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

These QBs tend to fail

Because they go to crap teams and get beat up.

by JeffG on Aug 18, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but look at Young and Leinart.

Tennessee and Arizona have both been pretty good, but they are busts anyway.

It’s not about talent when it comes to QBs, its about getting a guy that can run your system

Go Nova

by dbroncos31 on Aug 18, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Judging by his track record, do you really think McDaniels would be disposed to spending a high first-rounder and tens of millions in guaranteed money on a QB he doesn’t even want starting within the next year (or more)?

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

IMO...I don't think so either

I think he will be working closely with Brandstater to see if he will consistantly show the development and promise that caused McD to want him in the first place…If Tom struggles to learn and adapt to the system and his role, McD will continue the search next year…But I doubt that the search will take him to the first round…

Personally, I am looking forward to seeing how Tom performs this pre-season…Although he is obviously considered to be a project for McD, I believe that he has emense potential and could be a pleasant suprise if he is able to reach that potential.

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 18, 2009 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Possible

After all, he drafted a running back at #12. But it’s all nonsensical speculation at this point. We have not even played a game yet under McD.

by Endzone on Aug 18, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

How is that related to the fact that practically every QB McDaniels has worked with has been a late-round pick? RBs are a different category…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Because McD's Willing

The Broncos had not drafted a 1st round RB for years. But they did this year. The Broncos traded their 1st rounder to get 1st rounder John Elway. I think just because McD has not been in an organization that drafted a 1st round QB does not mean that he is opposed to the idea of taking a 1st round QB.

I just think it is premature to even be discussing it since we don’t know how Orton/Simms/Brandstater will work out. But even if it is premature, I don’t think ruling out the possibility of taking a 1st round QB is reasonable. You may feel personally indisposed to doing that, but projecting your predisposition on McD based solely on McD’s track record is inappropriate. If you are giving McD advice to not take a 1st round QB, then I understand.
Maybe no team should ever draft a 1st round QB.

BTW, thanks again for the Horse Tracks. The amount of time and effort you put in every day is truly remarkable and greatly appreciated!

by Endzone on Aug 18, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t understand what the Broncos’ prior actions have anything to do with Josh McDaniels. I didn’t say that he is “opposed” to spending a 1 on a QB, nor did I rule anything out. What I wrote was that based upon his past experiences, I’m dubious that he would ever want to spend a high first-rounder on a QB. That’s an opinion based upon where he comes from. I don’t know if he subscribes to that theory…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

All I'm Saying

Is that McD MIGHT use a 1st round pick on a QB. I would not rule it out. Bowlen’s history/Broncos’ prior actions have some influence. But the team and the league are fluid and I’m simply saying that I would not be completely surprised.

by Endzone on Aug 18, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bowlen

didn’t draft Elway (actually trade for him). I believe Edgar Kaiser was still the owner.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 18, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cripes!

All I said was it is possible that the Broncos might take a 1st round QB! What is it with all this nitpicking with my opinion? You can say it will never happen. Fine.

And what did I say up above about how we got Elway. We traded our Chris Hinton 1st round, Mark Herrmann and 1984 1st for Baltimore’s Elway 1st round. Yes. Pat Bowlen did not buy the Broncos until 1984. Did I ever say it was Bowlen that did the trade? No! Criminy!

by Endzone on Aug 18, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

You did read Creamy’s original comment, no? That’s what this is all about. Consider that context…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

“You did read…” Do you think I am a complete moron? Did you get bent out of shape because I said it was nonsensical to speculate at this point?

The Broncos will never regret trading for Alphonso.

The Broncos might use a 1st rounder next year for a QB, but it’s too early to speculate.

That’s my opinion.

by Endzone on Aug 18, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dude, chill out. I wasn’t speculating or getting bent out of shape. We’re cool. I just thought Creamy’s scenario was a bit unrealistic…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

creamy’s scenario was unrealistic.

by Endzone on Aug 18, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

But McDaniels was never going to draft a "QB of the Future" next year to begin with.

If that was in his considerations at all, he’d have taken Jason Campbell and the #13 pick from Washington. I’ll bet that McDaniels honestly thinks he’s already got his QB in Orton. Now, I’m not saying he’s right or wrong – Time will tell in that regard. I’m just saying that he’d already made up his mind that he wasn’t going to draft a high-round pick either this year or next when he made the trade for Orton, so that wasn’t even in his thought process when he made the trade for Smith. Say what you will about him, but you can’t deny that he’s got the courage of his convictions. This whole scenario leaves me with a couple long-term questions, for which we won’t have answers for a few years at least:

1: Is McDaniels and Xanders focused draft strategy (which led them to A. Smith) genius or folly?
2: Is McDaniels that good of a coach that he can cherry-pick raw QB talent out of the 6th round and coach it up to superstar levels? (Shanahan used to think that about RB’s, with mixed results)

I predict that, given a couple of years’ perspective, the answers to these questions will either have us all worshiping at McD’s feet as the next great football genius or cursing the day Bowlen hired him

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Aug 18, 2009 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm convinced

that McDanials/Xandars believe our offense doesn’t need a QB with loads of talent to score a lot of points with the young nucleus they inherited (Royal, Marshall, Harris, Clady, Cooper, Scheffler, Hillis). When they drafted Knowshon, they solidified an offense that, for lack of better words, a “game manager” could come in and score a lot of points. The camel’s back may have been broken already between Bowlen and Cutler, but this logical argument may have been the straw that sealed the deal.

If, in fact, McDanials/Xandars were thinking along these lines, there is no way they were considering burning either 2010 first round draft pick on a QB when they traded for #33. I also believe that the McDanaials’ and Xandars’ fate will be forever tied to the premise that a game manager can succeed in this offense. Thus, even if Orten and Simms fail in 2009 or 2010 it’s more likely that McDanials/Xandars will try to bring in free agents (along the historical lines of Schaub, Cassel, Plummer) and draft late round guys until they either find their guy or lose their jobs.

by ButteBronco on Aug 18, 2009 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

We had a good look at Giant's Ramses Barden

who’ll probably start given their woes at WR and his unique skillset as a Harold Carmichael type

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by littletinybroncos on Aug 18, 2009 8:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks Ted

BTW…I’ve been looking for that girl for years, can you please tell me where she is…She stole my entire record collection and I want it back

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 18, 2009 8:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Lmao

I just laughed very hard while eating chips. I’ve never before had tortilla chips come out my nose. lol. A little more painful then milk coming out of your nose let me tell you.

by BroncoFanInLakewood on Aug 19, 2009 12:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great read as always, Ted & rec'd

I appreciate the depth and insight.

And though I’m usually pretty indifferent to all things Cutler, I do have to quibble one point.

I read the text of the interview in which he apparently throws Hester under the bus, and I find it interesting that most people omit the 1st & 3rd parts of the quote. Cutler was responding to a question about what happened on that pass. Cutler in essence (since I don’t recall the exact wording) said that Hester is a guy who can chase down the pass rather than a turn around and come back to the ball type of guy and he [Cutler] needs to get used to that.

So while Jay did try to spread the blame/responsibility around on it, he didn’t just simply throw Hester under the bus, as has been portrayed in many places (including an article in the MSM)

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by Brian Shrout on Aug 18, 2009 8:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Cutler

Ted, I enjoyed your column as always.

But, I think the analogy about Cutler being a hot former girlfriend is apt in more ways than one and think that Bronco fans (and writers) will continue to have all season long that love/hate thing that goes with former girlfriends.

and, between you and me, I still would take Cutler over Orton, even though Cutler may have put on a pound or two, but maybe that is just my perverted taste.

Still, I expect to see the comparisons made just about every weekend. It will be like Farve/Rodgers from last year. Let’s hope it turns out for us like it did for Green Bay.

by Baltimore Bronco on Aug 18, 2009 9:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Not me.

I’m working on banging her mom. As payback.

by JeffG on Aug 18, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

EWWWWW....

Man I hope your girlfriend was a young one…..at my age that could put my ex’s mom in her 80’s LMAO!

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Aug 18, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for another great and funny ST&NO! Always enjoy reading it.

Also glad to see u liked Rodgers for the Packers. Didnt get to see the game, but he’s the QB on my fantasy team, so excited about his season.

Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands

by BroncosNL on Aug 18, 2009 9:08 AM MDT reply actions  

Thomas

I’m guessing that Thomas was slotted at DT initially because of how uncertain the coaches were regarding the players we had at the position. The fact that they moved him to DE, even after Parkers injury, bodes well for what the staff thinks Fields, Powell and most paticularly (and excitingly as a Broncos fan), Baker. I think we’ve got a real gem with Baker and wouldn’t be surprised to see him starting by mid season.

by RudyR on Aug 18, 2009 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

I jumped up and screamed like a little girl when Baker got his sack. I haven’t seen a Bronco DT do something like that in forever. He looked like G Warren in 2005 or Pryce in 2002.

The possibly that Baker could be a real player is almost overwhelming.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 18, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Me, too.

I just watched a YouTube replay of the Baker sack (hard as hell to find decent footage on the interwebz, that’s for sure), and he basically ate the left guard, and chased him with the QB. It looked like some sort of stunt call — either that or the center pulled or something. Whatever the case was, he overpowered the OL and took out the QB. That is my kind of football!

by BroncosBassist on Aug 18, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

You should link that clip.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 18, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here you go...

Broncos/49ers highlights

The play in question starts around the 8:45 mark. I’ll warn you that this is from some goober ’9ers fan with a camcorder in the end zone stands, but he happens to be zoomed right in on the action for that particular play. It appears that the block was by (poor) design.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 18, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

This question begs asking, McG

So, how does this alter your viewpoint regarding how the Broncos addressed/didn’t address the front 7 during the draft? (For me, the jury is still out). After all, Baker has to be counted as part of the draft class…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I need to see Baker play against competition that is better than San Fran’s backup O-line. But it’s a very good sign that he decimated that group. Baker made the team on Friday night. I’m amazed he went undrafted after seeing him play. Very exciting development for Denver – Ross Tucker said Baker looked good to him in practice. Baker was the anti-Orton on Friday night.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 18, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Baker turns into a good player, Ayers could be a BUST and I wouldn’t care at all.

BTW, I was not impressed with Ayers or Quinn (esp Quinn). I liked what I saw out of Smith, Moreno, and McKinley.

I didn’t watch the O-line rookies or the new safeties. There were way too many new faces to take all that in.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 18, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Baker's competition

That’s fair. What I like is that at every level of competition that he’s had a chance to go against, he’s been a dominant player. Nice start

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 18, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I worry about Quinn a little bit

It seemed a puzzling pick at the time. Not only was 3rd TE not a position of glaring need (to the average fan) but it was also seen as a possible reach – he didn’t have a track record of actual college production catching the ball and he might have been available in rounds 3 or 4. However, I’ve been willing to give the move the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, he hasn’t exactly lit things up in camp, at least according to anything I’ve read.

by creamy on Aug 18, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good points.

I’ve heard his name a few times, but nothing monstrous. Actually, I haven’t even heard Scheffler’s that often. Quinn didn’t get to recieve much, since there were a few NFL cliber players on his team. However, from what I’ve heard, he’s got some good hands. He needs to learn better routes, though.

The nice thing about Quinn is that they have time to develop his receiving skills while putting him out on 2 TE sets with either Scheffler or Graham. He won’t tear up the league right away, but my sense was that McD may be interested in a 3 TE set and IS interested in having him spring Tony and Daniel. Apparently, they felt that he was one of the best TEs this year, regardless o how others had him rated.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 18, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't worry yet

In Friday’s game the TE’s didn’t get very much work in the passing game. I would think, by the pattern McD has shown, that we will see more plays to them before the regular season starts.

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 18, 2009 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Amen, Kirk and Bear

I am certainly not panicking on Quinn. TE’s weren’t heavily involved with the early game, with Putz getting the looks later.

Regardless, I think they saw in him a project – a big body who likes to and excels at blocking. They have 3 seasons before Graham’s contract runs out to get him up to snuff – plus run him out there in some 3 TE looks. Then they get how many years of veteran Scheffler with Quinn back there?

I think it is good team building, like bringing in a Bruton or McBath to learn from the best in Dawkins…

by jonahsilas on Aug 18, 2009 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great read Ted and agree with almost everything you wrote.

By the way, Brett Farve is on his way to Minnesota to sign, I guess Jay will have to play extra hard to get the Bears to the Super Bowl this year…heh heh heh

by bfree2bronc on Aug 18, 2009 9:36 AM MDT reply actions  

The real question for JC is...

Who now has the strongest arm in the NFC North?!? :)

by Broncoholic_07 on Aug 18, 2009 10:59 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

LMAO 57 times Im LMAO

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Aug 18, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Be Nice

We really shouldn’t insult the retarded.

by Endzone on Aug 18, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for a scintillating report, Ted . . .

The reason I believe they had Thomas at NT is because of his talent. Behind Fields and Powell they had nobody . . . until Baker. (But what’s happened with Powell? I haven’t heard much about him.) Now that Baker is showing up (as I thought he might), Thomas can relegate McBean to second string, where McBean belongs, IMO.

It will be interesting to see what kind of impact the incoming Le Kevin Smith has at DE. (The trade is final, isn’t it?) Smith was a sub at NE, but that was behind one of the best defensive lines in the business, and not arguably. It would be fantastic to discover Smith was victim of the numbers and is actually good.

Good insight on Orton. If he gets his feet set, his arm is plenty strong enough, and he can make all the throws. I’m sure McDaniels and McCoy are working with him on his footwork. It probably comes from playing behind that vague resemblance of an O-line with the Bears. As mentioned, Orton has to learn that he is now behind perhaps the best in the business.

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by AZDynamics on Aug 18, 2009 9:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Thomas At NT

I agree. Thomas was penciled in at NT because the team just wasn’t sure yet who could back up the position.

I watched Carlton Powell because I have held high hopes for him after sitting out last year (his rookie year) due to injury. I was disappointed. He looked slow and lazy to me. But maybe it was just because Baker is so fast and strong.

The competition for the front 3 continues to be intense with Le Kevin Smith now joining the team.

by Endzone on Aug 18, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Powell

Yeah I have to say I was not impressed at all with Powell either. Considering Thomas has had reps at NT, maybe he’ll be a DE used as the 3rd string NT in an emergency situation, and Powell will be cut?

I guess it was only one game and thats what the preseason is for, but I’ll be watching this situation with great interest. I think we’re likely to see a NT project cut from another team on our practice squad too.

by RudyR on Aug 18, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't give up on Powell just yet,

and if you all look back in history it takes an average of 2-3 years for defensive linemen to start coming into their own. For Carlton being hurt last year under the old regime may be a good thing, he didn’t gwet to learn too many bad habits from Slowik. Powell’s play didn’t show up in Friday’s game IMO because players tend to slow down when they aren’t comfortable in the spot they are in. Powell has a couple of more weeks in this system before final cuts are made, and if he continues to struggle he may be gone. Baker to me seems like one of those rare players who just has what it takes from the get go. I liked his play very much in that game.

by bfree2bronc on Aug 18, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Plus, he gained weight to play nose

so that might be slowing him down, as well.

by JeffG on Aug 18, 2009 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

That was true of Thomas as well

I didn’t like it at the time – Marcus is too athletic and quick to want to gain loose weight. It could be slowing down Powell as well. At the time, though, we didn’t know that Baker would be such a catch. Nice pickup, FO

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 18, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Does Powell still have practice squad elgibility?

Might be where he is best off… although he might be so big they have to call him two PS players!

by jonahsilas on Aug 18, 2009 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

No

I did a post here, and the last paragraph has the PS available players

All of the Broncos 2009 draft picks will be eligible for this years Practice Squad, however, the first 5 picks Moreno, Ayers, Smith, McBath, and Quinn shouldn’t be considered as “development” players since they are expected to see enough playing time to render them ineligible by seasons end. Not only that, but the team should find a spot just so they don’t get poached by a rival team.
  The other players that will be eligible by the end of camp include, FS David Bruton OG Seth Olsen, WR Kenny McKinley, QB Tom Brandstater, C Blake Schlueter, DT Matthias Askew, G Mitch Erickson, G Pat Murray, T Clint Oldenburg, T Stanley Bryant, WR David Grimes, WR Matthew Willis, WR Lucas Taylor, WR Nate Swift, DE Ryan McBean, DE Rulon Davis, NT Chris Baker, NT Everette Pedescleaux, ILB Lee Robinson, CB Tony Carter, and CB D.J.(Dominique) Johnson.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 18, 2009 8:06 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

If people haven't printed

or otherwise saved this portion of that post, this would be a good time. This will be a common reference, and will need updating with time. Thanks again Kap’n!

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 19, 2009 2:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

You Bet

One of the purposes of this site is to stay current for the benefit of all, but as #2, you already know this.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 19, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Kirk!

I knew I had seen it somewheres but couldn’t go searching in the middle of the office. Let’s just say football and feminists don’t always jive!

Why isn’t Carlton eligible? He hasn’t played in any games, has he? Some rules with IR or somethin’?

by jonahsilas on Aug 22, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

appreciate it

I’ve come to enjoy the in-depth individual player insight you give…..I never can ID individual play as you do……out of respect for your insight……two questions?

Do you see any distinction yet b/w Sheridan’s defense vs. Spag’s D?

Based on TB comments, do you really give them any hope this year to go over 5 wins? I have no faith in Bates or Morris. Jags is a wild card, but as a 1st time NFL OC, I can’t fathom he is too strong. Any thoughts?

by BideshiBronco on Aug 18, 2009 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the insight Ted.

I was particularly looking forward to your take on the line play, given your talent/propensity for watching away from the ball. I take it you think we’ll be better at moving the LOS (on D at least) than last year?

by NedBronco on Aug 18, 2009 9:56 AM MDT reply actions  

Ted awesome article.

You’re right on the money with Chris Baker. Ronnie Fields did a good job stuffing the run but couldn’t do much in penetrating the pocket. Chris Baker was able to stuff the run and collapse the pocket. Now of course that was against the 2nd and 3rd string 49er O-line but it was extremely promising to see Baker push right on through. With Baker I’m sure glad we didn’t waste a pick on B.J Raji or Ron Brace

by CombatChuk on Aug 18, 2009 10:12 AM MDT reply actions  

Nice post

Good stuff, Ted.
Meanwhile I posted this in previous thread but will repost here.
I know I’m biased, though I think I’m pretty realistic, but I look at the Raiders’, both their staff and their personnel, and the Chiefs, same, and don’t see how they get free passes but the Broncos are the ones who are going to be bad in that division, finish last, etc. The Raiders coaching staff doesn’t impress me, aside from their pugilistic skills, JaMarcus Russell continues to look poor in training came (maybe he’ll be replaced at some point this season by Garcia) and they don’t scare me on either side of the line. The Chiefs should be better, but after reading about and watching a little of their new coach in action I have to say I prefer being lead by McDaniels, and I’m not convinced Cassel will be the same guy with less weapons around him. In short they all have questions but I llike the direction the Broncos are going in, DESPITE what Mike and Mike have to say. I’m pretty sure they haven’t studied the Broncos in depth. I’m sticking by my 8 and 8 prediction, and a team that will at least compete in the games they play.

by underdog on Aug 18, 2009 10:13 AM MDT reply actions  

Very nicely done again!

The girlfriend metaphor is priceless. Regarding the Peter King stuff, I basically agree with everyone’s criticism of the guy; it too believe he’s an egotistical slacker who no longer tries as hard as he used to and has become too enamored with the celebrity side of things (Favre junky) and is kind of the prototypical east coast biased sports writer. All that said, he did praise McDaniels in his article and I felt during the game that while the D was improved (remember, our bar is pretty low around here), I was disturbed by what seemed like big chunks of yardage given up in 2nd and 3rd and long situations. So, I might have expressed that by using some stats – not comprehensive, but not leftfield either. You’re right, if they can hold people to field goals, it’s a step, but the ’9ers are not exactly an offensive juggernaut. Once again, very nice work and I look forward to your next installment.

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Aug 18, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions  

Excellent post - Vernon Fox not excellent
f. I can’t figure out why Vernon Fox is on the roster. He was awful last season, and should have been part of the purge. That terrible long TD by the 49ers’ Brit Miller was clearly Fox’s responsibility.

I agree with the comments about Vernon Fox. On the all out blitz by the Bronscos that SF turned into a TD, He was lined up just outside of the RB (TD receiver)- even if his responsibility was to avoid contact and Blitz the QB…IMO you have to have the awareness to realize that no one lined up against that RB and maybe you should be aggressive and take on that responsibility. And then on the ensuing two point conversion – Vernon had the inside position on receiver, but could not maintain coverage as the receiver slid to the inside. THAT IS AN ZERO FOR TWO in my score book —UGH!!!!

To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.

by Broncobh on Aug 18, 2009 10:39 AM MDT reply actions  

Great post, as always, Ted!

You have turned my Tuesday to chuckles with the girlfriend thing.. and I haven’t had a girlfriend in 44 years. Married, not lonely!

Thanks for the enlightenment and informative comment. BTW, I also can’t understand why Fox is still on the roster. He will be gone in the first purge, IMO.

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Aug 18, 2009 11:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for another great post. About Baker...

Chris Baker was pushing people around, not the opposite, which we’ve seen/see all too often. What a steal. If he stays healthy, he’ll be starting by game 1, IMHO. He’s a load and very aggressive, and can plug up the middle.

by azbroncomaniac on Aug 18, 2009 11:39 AM MDT reply actions  

IMO, Chris Baker’s play was easily the high point of the San Fran game. The Broncos with a disruptive, impact NT that is 22 years old…that thought makes me feel like I died and went to heaven.

He needs some time with the 1st string to move his development along and see where he really stacks up. He just obliterated San Frans 2nd stringers.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 18, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

My biggest worry here is that you really have to wonder how a guy with his size and quickness goes undrafted? Similar to BM getting picked in round 4 when obvious talent just oozes off these guys…

I know Baker got kicked off Penn State and BM is such a head ache for all his gifts.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 18, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

But that's the great thing about Baker isn't it?

He has all the physical upside, and it appears the character downside that saw him drop out of the draft is behind him. Maybe that’s too early too tell but every indication is that this guy is working hard and putting his bad decisions behind him

by British Bronco on Aug 18, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why so much Chicago Bears data?

@Ted Bartlett…I think Cutler is gone and is doing dumb things in Chicago. Let it go.

Very good comment about Kyle’s happy feet. He will see from game film that the defenders will not pressure him with this OL.

A 3-4 DE needs to be strong and athletic. Yes Marcus Thomas is athletic but how strong? LK Smith is big, strong, athletic and versatile so I see him as the LDE. He may be better suited to take on the strong side of the OL and TE. This was an excellent move by GM Xanders.

Michael Vick in Philly is NOT a good fit. PA has the strongest animal rights contingent of any state. PETA will field this one with open arms and make life miserable for the Eagles sponsors. It has started already with the Eagles web page blanking out the sponsor names. Now how long will it take for the sponsors to put up with no advertising?
LOL Eagles with this one. Bad move.

by DLMyers on Aug 18, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Walt Football made the Eagles his Jerks of the Year for the Vick signing

This article is worth a read. Whether or not you agree with him – (and I don’t agree with his take on McDaniels) – Walt is always passionate, articulate and funny.

“However, things have changed. In the wake of the QB Dog Killer signing, I officially hate the Eagles. I hope karma kicks their a** and they go 0-16. And anyone who truly gets it will be right there with me, hoping that the Eagles quickly realize how foolish they are. In the meantime, they are my Jerks of the Year”.

Full article here
http://www.walterfootball.com/jerksoftheweek090817.php

 

by British Bronco on Aug 18, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Saw a comment..

along the lines of….Hide your Beagle…Vick is an Eagle….had me rolling :)

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Aug 18, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have a problem with people who hold such a high opinion of themselves that they say stuff like

“And anyone who truly gets it will be right there with me…” I personally think Vick made horrible mistakes, but he has paid his dues and deserves a second chance.

From what I read of this article, the guy doesn’t have a clue. He basically says Vick is worse than Stallworth solely because Stallworth “didn’t get into the driver’s seat and shout, ’I’m going to kill the first human I see on the road, muhahaha!’ Stallworth’s crime was an accident.”

What Stallworth did was more irresponsible than Vick. Getting into a car and driving when you are drunk is just as conscious of a decision as hanging, electrocuting, or drowning dogs. To call the resulting death an accident is flat out sick. That marginalizes the life of the man that was killed and lessens the severity of the actions of the drunk driver. With that said, I believe Stallworth deserves a second chance as well, as long as the law is satisfied.

This guy, in my opinion, is off his rocker. Just because he is passionate, articulate (I don’t agree with this point. Anyone that needs to utilize profanity multiple times to get a point across is not articulate in my book), and funny doesn’t mean what he says has any merit. This is not an attack against you British Bronco, and sorry for the long rant, but reading that article got my blood boiling a little bit.

by adamriggs on Aug 18, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have to agree

Walter is a … (may I be inarticulate here?) .. d-nozzle. Very high and mighty, and way too opinionated for his own good.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 18, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Opinions are great

as long as you don’t get too wrapped up in your own opinion. To say that your opinion is the only “sane” opinion is so egotistical it is hard to take anything else he says seriously.

by adamriggs on Aug 18, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I will put Michael Wilbon in that same group

I used to love PTI, but lately Wilbon continues to puff out his chest and say that anyone that doesn’t agree with him has no clue about life. Ahhh… end of rant.

by adamriggs on Aug 18, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

DL - I'm kind of this site's around the league guy...

So, I write about every team, because the goings-on of the whole NFL are of interest to the kind of Broncos fans who are part of MHR. I won’t be targeting Cutler for deep observation every week, but I felt like it had to be done for the debuts.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Aug 18, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Glad you targeted him, TB. The collective freak-out here in Chicago is thoroughly amusing. Everyone has bit hit by the reality that Jay-C is mercurial, and that the Bears have questions in the secondary and the defensive line. And the offensive line. And the receiving corps.

by Chibronx on Aug 18, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

All those question marks should result in a pretty nice little draft pick for our squad this year.

by ButteBronco on Aug 18, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll post this here so few people will see it, but...

I’ll be sitting in my living room with a smug look of satisfaction when we pick higher than Seattle (with our 1st rounder) next year. :)

by BroncosBassist on Aug 19, 2009 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm no Vick fan...

…but seriously, PETA is a fringe group that doesn’t have mainstream respectability. The Humane Society and the ASPCA have credibility, and they don’t have to target small children with terrorizing images, use nudity in pubic, or throw paint on celebrities to make their points. PETA has done more harm for the animal rights movement by turning a moral issue (caring for our animal friends) into a joking matter at most water coolers.

The NFL and the Eagles could give a rip about any fringe group. In fact, pissing off PETA is probably a good way to garner support.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 18, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

From the League’s point of view, our diagnosis of PETA’s merit doesn’t matter much. They public is somewhat sympathetic on this issue, and PETA’s tactics have proven effective in the past. There is revenue to be lost here.

Football is a risk-adverse business. Even if the League had to deal with nuts like the John Birch Society, the goal would be to avoid a dust-up. They’d leave it to the rest of us to complain the League gave in to a group whose founder was convinced that Dwight D. Eisenhower was a communist.

by Chibronx on Aug 18, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear you Chi,

and agree with much of what you are saying. But headlines like “business X vs (insert group like Birchers, Larouchers, Petas, etc)” can be a net gain.

Take the sympathy angle. I think what Vick did was despicable. I don’t care if he ever plays football again. Fair enough. On the other hand, I imagine that most folks would hear or see a PETA protest and (like me) lose focus on Vick’s behaviour and become focused on how over the top and reprehensible the PETA behavior was. For example, if the League (or the Eagles) want instant sympathy, all they need is for a group of fanatics to block Vick’s car from getting to the Eagles camp, or defacing his home, etc.

I guess what I’m saying is that what plays in Peoria is more likely to sway the NFL. Many folks are disgusted with Vick, but have moved on. If it is brought back up in a way that victimizes Vick, then Vick (and the Eagles) effectively lose the entire “Vick as villian” label.

If the NFL was playing a total “risk averse” gameplan, they would never have let Vick come back. I don’t think a ban would have been such a bad idea either. But again, I don’t have a strong opinion on it. Vick is overrated in my opinion, and I don’t see him doing much for any team in any role at this point.

One point of agreement (if you buy this), is that IF this backfires on the Eagles or the League, they will have deserved it for taking a chance that seems to be more risk than reward. I’m just saying that the move has been allowed, and the die has already been cast. At this point, Vick’s camp is winning (getting Dungy as a mentor is a huge credibility boost). However, if PETA were thrown into the mix they would likely push a lot of moderate folks towards Vick.

(Last, I don’t think the NFL demographic has much in common with the PETA demographic, but that’s another point and just a subjective opinon).

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 18, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

PETA

You know, PETA gained my unending disgust when they came out firmly against guide and service dogs on the bizarre basis that it’s ‘unnatural’ to train them in this way. Their later escapades on killing animals didn’t even surprise me – go far enough to the fringes and you fall off the world. There, there really do be monsters.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 18, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's a good one.

I have a friend who is WAYYYY into the whole animal rights thing. Hold that in place for a moment.

Some years ago, a dying child was granted a wish by The Make a Wish Foundation (the group that helped one of our terminaly ill members in his youth). The wish the boy had was to go hunting for a bear. (Not a Broncobear mind you). PETA launched a campaign, and the child lost his wish. Now folks can go back and forth on the morality of hunting bears, but that’s not the point (and I won’t argue or take sides on it here). What happened next is what is interesting.

Rock and Roller Ted Nugent heard the story, and became furious. He contacted the child’s family, and was able to take the dying child around the world on a hunting safari before the child died. That’s not even the point.

I could get cute, and point out that PETA cost the lives of many exoctic animals that would have been spared if the boy had just taken the one bear. But that’s just scoring a cheap debate point, and isn’t really fair. No, the point is this…

My buddy (from the beginning of the long rant) hates hunting, loves animals, and isn’t into Ted Nugent at all. But what he said to me was edifying. In his words, whatever the motive was MEANT to be (protecting a bear), PETA managed to come across as hurting a dying child’s dream, and made an aging “has been” (my friend’s words, not mine) into a hero. And that’s the problem with fringe groups, right and left. If I say I’m pro-life, people might think of abortion clinic bombers or doctor killers. If I oppose a war, people might think I’m a disruptive protester who thinks wars are excuses to act like anarchists.

So really, if I want a view forwarded, I want the fringe groups on my side far away. Vick is with the Eagles regardless of the animal rights lobby. But if someone really, REALLY wants Vick to be safe with the Eagles, all it would take would be for PETA to get involved.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 19, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

What a Mess this nation has become.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 19, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, at least there's still the Broncos..

..and MHR.

: )

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 20, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree in principle, I think, but can recall no example of a big business going after a political group to gain some kind of market advantage. If you have any examples, I’d be curious to hear them.

I honestly have no sense of how the public feels about Vick. What I do know is that, contra our image of NFL fans, most of the adds on TV seem to be for expensive cars, mutual funds and business services. As far removed, in other words, from the life and purchasing power of laid-off Caterpillar workers in Peoria as are NFL tickets. The public may be pushed to side with Vick by PETA, but I’m willing to wager that Lexus and IBM have conveyed to the league that they’d rather not find out.

As for Doc’s point below — egad.

by Chibronx on Aug 18, 2009 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I see where we are talking past each other.
…but can recall no example of a big business going after a political group to gain some kind of market advantage.

That’s not what I meant to imply at all. Indeed, I meant the inverse. Should the political group go after the business group, I think the business group would benefit. The NFL (and the Eagles) would not be the ones going after PETA; PETA would go after the NFL, and I think the NFL would come out on top.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 19, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

seriously

Good write up.
But come on…really we are talking about the 9er’s can you really gauge anything against the 9er’s? It’s not like they are juggernauts in any category or above average for that matter. The bronco entire preseason schedule is a more or less a pathetic joke compared to the schedule. So whats next St Marys school of the blind a deaf vs Denver and another raving review for the Broncos after a loss? Shallow yes! Nearsighted…more like blind.

by Good Templar on Aug 18, 2009 12:22 PM MDT reply actions  

Well

We can judge our ability against the Niners. After watching a team that lost to Oakland and KC I will take what I can get.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 18, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I get my information from my eyes...

so if you’re right, and I am blind, it wouldn’t be very good information :)

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Aug 18, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

So he should write on... what?

Made up results? The team played the 49ers, so that’s what you measure against.

No need to be insulting.

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 18, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

which player is it.

i read an interesting story about one of our players that was in the military and is a free agent. does anyone recall his name and did he get any playing time in the first game? sorry for the question but was a good story.

by golfdoc on Aug 18, 2009 12:57 PM MDT reply actions  

funny you ask

Rulon Davis, named after Broncos legend Rulon Jones, served in Iraq. He was released yesterday. So, that story has ended, in Denver at least. It doesn’t help that he’s already 26 years old…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 18, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks for the info

thanks nycbroncosfan for the update. sorry to hear he didn’t pan out.

by golfdoc on Aug 18, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions  

On letter "E"

I think McDaniels had set groups of personnel he wanted to use in those different parts of the game, and Moreno going down left the 1st team offense without an asset. I believe that had he not gotten injured, the play calling would have been much more balanced.

Or it could just be that he really wanted to put some weight on Orton and see how he held it. Either way, I like what I saw. It was good for Orton to be pushed repetatively like that, because it will only better prepare him for the upcoming season. I thought two of the picks were great position by defense, as well as a poor decision on the first, and poor throw on the last. Nic Clemmons really baited him if you watch the replay. Hopefully Orton can learn from that.

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

3 TE Set = 3 losses or less.

Do it MickeyD... 13-3!!

by USMCWall on Aug 18, 2009 2:03 PM MDT reply actions  

Great Job Ted!

Solid obs on the Broncos and the rest of the League. You rock!

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 18, 2009 2:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Real fun reading, Ted. Rec'd. Thanks for your efforts.

I enjoyed your ex-girlfriend analogy. I have been married for 30 yrs but the memories of the bad ones make me work harder on my marriage.

I am excited on how this team is being built both on O and on D. I have always liked the 3-4 D better than the 4-3 and having the 5-2 variation is cool.

One comment about Michael Vick – He did his prison time. He is in the position to do a great deal of good with his life – in addition to being a very good performer on the gridiron. He can change people’s opinion and memory of him.

by Blackknigh on Aug 18, 2009 7:45 PM MDT reply actions  

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