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Has Brandon Marshall quit on the Broncos?

The twitter world was all aflutter this morning with reports that Broncos WR Brandon Marshall was not only not working with the first team, but he was relegated to scout team duty....on DEFENSE!

Needless to say, I was waiting anxiously to hear what Brandon would have to say about this.  I fought the urge to blast the Broncos and Josh McDaniels for what looked to me to be a public humiliation of the team's best offensive player.  I'm glad I did, at least a bit.

Frank Schwab of the Colorado Springs Gazette broke down what Marshall had to say after and it does shed a bit of light on why Marshall would be relegated behind the likes of Matthew Willis.  What did Marshall have to say?

After basically disengaging himself from practice by standing with the defensive players on the sideline and not taking any normal repetitions during 11-on-11 drills (he said it is because he is "not close" to learning the playbook), Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall reiterated he is not happy with the team. He was asked if there were irreconcilable differences with the team.

"Unfortunately, sometimes it gets to that point," Marshall said. "There are trust issues on both sides. It’s understandable. We’ve got to try our best to move forward."

He said he was starting to work past his issues with the team, but he was upset on Friday when he said a public-relations staffer told Broncos players not to act too happy for Marshall after he was found not guilty of a misdemeanor battery charge in Atlanta.

"I think the biggest thing was, it was really disappointing hearing that some of my teammates on one of the best days of ... for the past three years, of my life, some of my teammates were coached to say ‘Don’t say you’re happy for Brandon,'" Marshall said.

Obviously, whatever went down regarding instructions the players were given about their reaction to Marshall's 'not guilty' verdict has Marshall a bit annoyed. 

Star-divide

Marshall went on to talk about his contract request, or lack of one -

"From day one I’ve never asked the Broncos for more money, and that’s from the summertime," Marshall said.

Marshall wouldn't say he asked again for a trade but said Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said back in June he would try to trade him.

"In that meeting with ownership, it was told to me they’ll do their best to accommodate me with that wish," Marshall said. "And I’m still here. I’m a Bronco and all I can do now is do my best to get in my best football shape and be that player I was the past three years."

While there is plenty of double-talk to go around, and I think both sides are being less than truthful about the facts, the one thing that really bothers me, and I mean REALLY BOTHERS ME, is Marshall's confession that he isn't "close to learning the playbook". 

Think about that. 

Brandon Marshall has had the ENTIRE OFFSEASON to learn the playbook, healthy or not. Marshall chose to stay away this offseason; then, once he did begrudgingly show up, failed to spend the time the past 3 weeks to get up to speed.  It is his JOB as a professional to learn the playbook.  If he is telling the truth, he is giving you the best example of why the Broncos are making the RIGHT DECISION not to extend his contract.  It also has told 31 other teams exactly what his work ethic is like.

You learn a lot about a player when things are going well.  You learn more about A MAN when things are not.  Brandon Marshall is not handling this like a man.  While it hurts the Broncos on the field to have a player essentially admit he doesn't want to work, it hurts Marshall a lot more exactly where he cares the most - the wallet.

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On the lighter side...

we do have plenty of ‘gruntled’ players. I’m excited to see a week’s worth of progress at preseason game number two.

by dr.mort on Aug 19, 2009 12:13 PM MDT reply actions  

It looks like...

the Broncos are moving ahead with or without him. If he wants to drag his heels along the way, that’s his issue. 104.3 the Fan is reporting that the Jets made an offer for him… If it’s good enough, I say let’s go with it. Good riddance.

J

by Jezru on Aug 19, 2009 12:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Knowing New York and knowing Brandon Marshall

I’d predict a Plaxico Burress-type incident in 2 months time if he went to the Jets.

by NYCBronx on Aug 19, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I second the motion!

   C’mon, lets just move on – he won’t be the player we want him to be and he clearly doesn’t want to be here. We get the Jets first rounder and we might be looking at a top ten pick. Seems fair to me – Please Mr.Bowlen just trade his ass already, enough is enough!

by quarterhorse on Aug 19, 2009 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

The problem is

this is 104.3 the fan where they really don’t research anything and just speculate so until I hear what this “offer” is I think they are just reading the article in the NY Times and assuming.

by Arimaris on Aug 19, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

nice even keeled response

You are totally right about the situation. How can you say you are committed to the team when, even with a several week injury layoff, you don’t bother to learn the playbook.

As far as I am concerned. McD is saying – look you have no leverage and don’t even cost us that much. If you prepare like a scout team player you will work there. If you prepare like a #1 wr you will work there. You are under contract with this team and when you act like it you will play.

Does marshall think (a la crabtree) that sitting on the sidelines all year will net him a big free agent contract? Apparently so…

by jonahsilas on Aug 19, 2009 12:18 PM MDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

No Beauty In The Beast.

Brandon has shown his true colors and got lucky that his off field behavior did not ruin his football career like M. Vick. His talents may be above avg (dropped passes and running backwards) yet he’s a prima donna that the Broncos do NOT need. Obviously his role models are not Rod Smith nor Ed McCaffrey…Maybe #85 or TO. I’m proud of McDaniels for not folding in and treating him exactly what he deserves. The Broncos have all the leverage and only BMarsh is hurting his reputation among the NFL like Cutler has with the Bears.

Either we get equal value as with Cutler or keep him standing by the sidelines and make him wait it out until he becomes a free agent.

by tedwin on Aug 19, 2009 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

actually..

he didn’t have the offseason, the broncos don’t give out playbooks unless you are there — he wasn’t here so no playbook for him

McDaniels actually addressed this [a little] on his latest interview on denverbroncos.com

by Todd Jewell on Aug 19, 2009 12:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Ok....

Still his choice, whatever the reason, not to get on board….

I guess the point is, he made the choice. This is all on him.

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by John Bena on Aug 19, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Plus he had

A multi-week injury layoff during camp to study. Reid and Powell constantly tweeting about working 8am-9pm every day.

There is no excuse. Either you are a professional, or you ain’t.

by jonahsilas on Aug 19, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have to say

After listening to his interview today, he was less the initiator than the press was. And if I heard a couple questions correctly, Dave “the complete waste of skin” Krieger did his fair share of provoking.
I actually thought he handled the interview well. I for one think they guy who authorized telling the players to say what they were told should be fired.
The Broncos need to be smarter in their handling of these matters. They are sometimes looking foolish.

"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx

by dmitchell624 on Aug 19, 2009 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

You are correct, the Press was trying to get him to say he couldn't move forward

That was disgusting to listen to. He says “moving forward”, and they say, “BUT can you REALLY move forward after this?” The journalism as a profession is now as low as rats.

by MichaelCushman on Aug 19, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

No Excuse

I am positive the Broncos would have given Marshall a playbook IF MARSHALL HAD ASKED FOR ONE.

by Endzone on Aug 19, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

With BM's

judgements so far, this doesn’s surprise me in the least. So far in his career as a football player he has done nothing but make bad decisions….why stop now? And its a real downer to air his work ethic in public, which will surely hurt his trade value!!! As well as his unknown recovery from surgery, we wont be able to get squat for him!!

Would it be an option to put him on IR or PUP to free up a roster spot?? What can the organization do besides bench him, and take up a slot on the roster? It is going to take a real desperate team to pay what we want in return for trade!

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Aug 19, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the EXACT same thing . . .

can’t we just put him on PUP and free up a roster spot. Even if we have to pay him to do it, the message would be sent, his season would be over, and ANY chance of another team offering him a big paycheck would be pretty much gone. Is this a possibility by the Broncos?

"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes

by HSFBCoach on Aug 19, 2009 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Im torn....

BM is a BEAST and a top notch athlete that gives apposing coaches sleepless nights……

On the other hand his conduct off the field and during the off season leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth. A less talented player would have been gone a long long long time ago!

Shakespeare said it best " Parting is such sweet sweet sorrow"

Great piece…very informative!

by vdisciple on Aug 19, 2009 12:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Well Said

  He is a beast, with the potential of being a GREAT receiver. But the physical problems alone cause pause. Plus, the “morals clause” in the NFL contracts supposedly greatly restricts the ability for teams to get back “guarantee” money, and everyone knows that his next “morals” incident will mean at least 1 year of suspension……..And, lets face it, he is a baby. The question is what do we get in return.

by JRSIII on Aug 19, 2009 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here we go again............

 Trade the moron for whatever we can get. Get rid of the headache. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE to not know the playbook by now. I can see a player not being able to execute it perfectly yet. But when was McD hired? Marshall has had more than enough time to learn the playbook. My god,we have rookies that have learned it. If he isn’t more dedicated than that, I say bury his diva butt on the depth chart and get whatever you can for him. I’m sorry but if I am McD, I am completely pissed that B-Dork doesn’t know the playbook and I am in full support of him running 2nd or 3rd team. Why let him drag the other guys down, and why jump him over guys that have been here every day all summer. You know Fitz may not run gunner, but I’ll bet he would if he thought that would help his team win. You think Jerry Rice wouldn’t do whatever it took to win? How about EddieMac? How about Rod Smith? How many Super Bowls have Chad Ochocinco, Terrell Owens, and Keyshawn Johnson won? If B-Dork wants to act like them, then get him the hell out of here. Sorry but my patience with BM is long gone.

We gotta get nastier on D!!!!!!!!!

by Broncofan on Aug 19, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Brought that over from another post, sorry for putting it on twice but I am out of patience with BM...........

As a coach I understand a little bit the frustration he is causing the Broncos right now, especially McD.

We gotta get nastier on D!!!!!!!!!

by Broncofan on Aug 19, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

 I am so sick of Broncos drama. Seriously…I can’t handle anymore. What the hell happened to this team? We’ve become a football soap opera.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 19, 2009 12:21 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

Funny how most of the players there were brought in here (prior to this year and current regime, that is) aren’t here anymore. And the ones that are still here, well, I think the names (and their character) speak for themselves…. Bailey, Graham, Hillis, Clady, Harris, Dumervil, Stokley, Royal, Wiegmann, just to name a few….although there aren’t too many more to name. If Marshall needs to be one of the final old pieces to be purged, so be it. I’d hate to lose his talent, but at this point I don’t really care.

As always, great thoughts and perspective, Guru!

"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)

by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 19, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very true.

"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent

by broncofan91 on Aug 19, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with that John

Shanny lost contact with reality some where along the line

"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx

by dmitchell624 on Aug 19, 2009 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Where have you been for the last two and a half years?

We’ve been a soap operas since Shanahan benched Plummer for Cutler.
D-Will
Nash
Henry
J Walker
B Marsh
Culter 1 & 2

need I go on. What we are seeing here is the legacy Shanahan left behind.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 19, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

go further back

How about benching Brister for Griese? Now that you bring it up, As the Shanny Turns is a pretty good description of Denver’s off-seasons since Elway retired.

by Leukadian on Aug 19, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Daryl Gardener, Dale Carter, Maurice Clarett…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 19, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

-1

For making me remember Maurice Clarett. I thought I had buried that deep, deep, deep down.

"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"

by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 19, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry, Sharpe. I meant no harm…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 20, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why D-Will?

I don’t see the correlation of those names to the benching of Plummer. Are those just a list of guys that aren’t “high character”? Because if so, then D-Will shouldn’t be on the list.

by Vandylaxn21 on Aug 19, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

My impression

was there was drama involved, not D-Wil’s fault…Just the Soap Opra effect

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 19, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, but also

remember how the media tried to initially implicate D-Will. Similar to what they tried to do with Sean Taylor. I’m not saying it was necessarily any of those guys fault. Even J Walker wasn’t entirely his fault; I can’t imagine what he went through in the off season.

I’m just saying the drama isn’t really all that new. This is different drama, but not new.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 19, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you completely

I guess I was not too clear myself with my verbiage

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 19, 2009 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

actually if memory serves....

….the drama that preceded D-Will….Brandon Marshall in an “altercation”

by jayhawk bronco on Aug 20, 2009 5:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Drama is everywhere in all situations these days

An outcome of social networking and a plethora of newshounds, professional or otherwise. The drama has always been there. It’s just more thoroughly pointed out these days.

In regard to the player Marshall, his immaturity is now front and center. To use another cliche, he is putting the cart before the horse (Bronco?). He wants paid before he performs any further as opposed to performing to fulfill his contract in order to get paid at the level he desires.

He apparently cannot see that the reasons he is not getting his contract re-negotiated are all on him. He is a basket case waiting to be suspended. He is coming of injuries that are apparently severe enough to keep him off the field. His team actions and actions on the field have not proven one way or the other he can still perform, let alone want to perform.

As with the player Cutler, he seems to be getting either no sound advice or terrible advice.

Perhaps this can be resolved by renogiating his contract after all. Pay him minimum scale and put all the incentives in field performance, team commitment, and game day availability.

He is acting like a Sales Rep rather than a player. Pay him like one.

by Broncos Rule on Aug 19, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

There are too many sources of ‘news’ for any issue like this to not hit headlines somewhere.

by dr.mort on Aug 19, 2009 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Remember when Shanny considered bringing in TO? We’ve come a long way baby!

by lolcopter on Aug 19, 2009 12:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Are you serious Marshall?

You want to be paid like one of the best receivers in the game and you don’t even know your playbook? What kind of message does that show, it shows that you dont take your craft seriously, it shows that you are immature when thinks dont go your way, and it shows that you have no problem letting your teammates down by not giving your best effort for the team. I understand that you are disgruntled but I know you love your teammates so if you don’t want to work hard for the broncos, at least work hard for your teammates! I honestly think this will end up being about nothing, he will learn the playbook because I still don’t think Marshall has any quit in him and this will eventually blow over……

by milehighinTO on Aug 19, 2009 12:22 PM MDT reply actions  

He should be kept off the field

Until his attitude changes, he is a sideline poison the team would be best served without. I say bench him but don’t trade him or discuss contract extensions until he proves his hip, checks his attitude and becomes a team player. Anything less would reward the man-child for ridiculousness and tell the Ryan’s, Royal, Scheff, Hillis and others exactly how to get whatever they want whenever they want it

by Alex on Aug 19, 2009 12:23 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

HAHA! Nice

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Aug 19, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

As the Stomach Turns

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 19, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know what the worst part about this is?

If Marshall stays with Denver and DOESN’T learn the playbook, Denver will waste a member of the 53 roster on him because they won’t cut him. If they can’t get a good trade for him, he’s going to waste a spot that could have gone for someone that wants to be here.

That’s a really crappy situation for McD.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 12:26 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

LOL..

just asked the same question above before I read this….oops

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Aug 19, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

There it is...

I was going through the comments looking for when/if someone was going to address this point…Should have known it would be you joe…We need 53 that want to be here and play for this Team

Maybe we need to start looking for ANY trade so we can cut our losses and get back to getting this Team focussed on the task(s) at hand…

Rediculous!!!

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hopefully that's not the angle Marshall is playing for

= (

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 19, 2009 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

or not playing for, as it were

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 19, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bingo! You called it!

Takes care of everything. Sit his butt for the year. “No soup for you” Brandon Marshall!

"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes

by HSFBCoach on Aug 19, 2009 8:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

that makes no sense

if you plan on not using Brandon Marshall anyway and getting rid of him next season you might as well get some sort of compensation out of it. At least with a trade you can prevent him from seeking revenge on the Broncos by signing with the Chargers or Chiefs in the off season

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Aug 20, 2009 3:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not gonna get much for this guy

I remember watching this kid when I was living in Orlando and he was at UCF. I was so happy when the Broncos selected him because I knew we had made a great choice. Little did I know….

I think Rod Smith needs to stick a cleat up the Beast’s rear and boot him out of Denver. Unfortunately, the Jets don’t have much to offer other than a 1st rounder next year.

Maybe we should just bench the idiot for the season.

by SinDonor on Aug 19, 2009 12:27 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

They could give us Sanchez

hahahaha just kidding.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

We'd be lucky to get a first rounder at this point

Unless a starting receiver goes down for the year with an injury and some team gets desperate, his trade value is likely dropping sharply

Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.

by Hercules Rockefeller on Aug 19, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

I say they hold him until week 3 or 4 of preseason.

Someone somewhere WILL go down. It always works out like that.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)

by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 19, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

AGREED

No Need to Act too quickly

To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.

by Broncobh on Aug 19, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jets have no WRs 'cept the Crotch.

They’d love to have BMarsh there to improve Sanchez’ chances of doing anything positive this year. NY ’s MSM are high-maintenance whores.

Also, last I checked, there are quite a few teams that would love to have a happy, healthy BMarsh. Maybe the entire NFC East, all of our AFC West foes, Baltimore, Rams…. any others?

by SinDonor on Aug 19, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, last I checked, there are quite a few teams that would love to have a happy, healthy BMarsh. Maybe the entire NFC East, all of our AFC West foes,

No thank you…

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Aug 20, 2009 6:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

nahhh

Just put him on the PUP list.

by AlanC11 on Aug 19, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do NFL teams take out insurance on their players?

If so, somebody give Tonya Harding a call to see if she can get a goon to pummel “The Bee-atch” with a sack of oranges or something.

;-D

by SinDonor on Aug 19, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

ROFL!

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Aug 19, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Rod Smith sort of mentoring Marshall at one point (even if in a limited capacity)?

What happened with that? I haven’t heard their names connected for quite a while. Maybe Rod washed his hands of this knucklehead realizing he didn’t want his name associated with him anymore, which would be saying something because Rod is not a “throw in the towel, give up” kind of guy.

"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)

by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 19, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can mentor all you want

but if he’s too knuckleheaded to listen what can you do?

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Aug 19, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rod

I don’t remember his exact quote, but yes. Rod has washed his hands of BMarsh.

by Endzone on Aug 19, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that after Rod...

washed his hands, Cutler steped in and gave him a crash course on the finer points of the ME game….lets get our numbers to pro bowl level…forget the team….they suck anyway…let get ours so we can get OUR big payday…..or something along those lines….and Jay topped it off by giving him the final lesson by throwing him under the bus when Marshall side tracked his side of the deal with his off-field problems….just a blue and orange tinted observation…

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Aug 19, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that would be the most responsible thing

is just to bench him unless he shows some Rod Smithisms here and there.

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 19, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, as a defense attorney and former prosecutor

even I was appalled listening to Sandy Clough on the the way back from court today talking about how Brandon Marshall should be upset that the team wouldn’t let his mates celebrate his “victory.” What a great thing to celebrate, a relationship gone so awry that violence is the norm—even if a jury found it justified. I’m thinking “So what if it was the owner, coach, or some p.r. underling that told the team not to comment?” I mean, really, should Champ Bailey come out and say “Great WIN for Brandon!! His attorney really tore his ex up! Yeah, were stoked that Brandon got himself into a volatile relationship and struck his girlfriend on more than one occassion, but a jury found he didn’t have the intent to injure her in the heat of the moment and that striking her maybe justified, so he was acquitted. Again, GREAT WIN for Brandon!”

Give me a break, it’s not a win and it’s not something to celebrate . . . it’s tragic, dysfunctional, and no one “wins” a domestic violence trial. It may be a relief that it’s over and no one got hurt seriously and something that Brandon Marshall can hopefully learn from, but shame on Sandy Clough for even thinking it was something to celebrate.

by lawb0y on Aug 19, 2009 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

I was sickened by Clough

That guy clearly thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room, and yet it never seemed to occur to him that cautioning the team about acting too jubilant over an acquittal on charge 13 that you’ve beaten your woman isn’t a particularly bad bit of advice, from a PR perspective.

But then, admitting that would mean that Clough couldn’t pretend indignation and call out McDaniels as dishonest and arrogant, and call out the Broncos organization as no longer having class.

It was repulsive to listen to — made even more so by the fact that the call-in lemmings seemed to back him.

by JeffG on Aug 19, 2009 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you

I was driving home and couldn’t believe my ears. Switched to CD’s of Pat Metheny and thanked my sense of proportion. Clough has turned into a despicable gas bag.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Aug 19, 2009 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

What we believe

about the appropriateness of celebrating his “victory”, and my opinion about that is the same as yours, does not in my opinion justify micromanaging his teammates’ reactions to the outcome of the court case. The issue is not whether it’s appropriate to react that way. It’s whether it’s appropriate to script every word that comes out of the players’ mouths, including apparently the width of their smiles.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Aug 19, 2009 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Respectfully

I disagree. If Pat Bowlen and/or Josh McDaniels and/or Brian Xanders don’t want their organization to appear to be celebrating an ugly situation, it’s within management’s perogative to craft the message that the organization sends. It’s their organization.

Moreover, I haven’t heard any report that players couldn’t express their support for Marshall; rather, it was to be couched in terms of a distraction removed being good for the team. If Marshall takes that as a slight, for which he was issued a public apology, that seems to prove Creamy’s point.

by lawb0y on Aug 19, 2009 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Absolutely

Employees are coached by PR every day. After every interaction I have with the press, I get emails coaching me to tweak my words. People who speak to the press regularly should be coached by the people responsible for setting the tone.

Privately, what they say to Brandon is another matter. If that is where this went, then the Bronco’s PR guy crossed the line. If it has to do with their reaction for public consumption, that’s a PR issue and employees are expected to take guidance from those responsible for messaging.

by MichaelCushman on Aug 19, 2009 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with lawboy here

“Script every word” seems to be a bit overblown. Like lawboy points out, it wasn’t (according to the only info we have) a script that denied them to support Marshall, it just cautioned them to temper any enthusiasm they might have regarding the outcome. We can only speculate regarding the reason for this, but it is at least plausible that it is the reason we are offering— that the organization didn’t want to present the appearance of rejoicing over a player being found “not guilty” in a domestic violence suit. I’m perfectly fine with that level of control over a potentially PR-damaging situation.

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by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 19, 2009 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree.

This is an organization speaking with a unified and appropriate tone. Marshall is trying to take a page out of Bus Cook’s book of obnoxious tricks.

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by Ponderosa on Aug 19, 2009 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Trying and failing

Trying to elicit sympathy from the public over the appropriate response to a verdict in a nasty drawn out list of domestic violence cases is a road to nowhere. The domestic violence card will trump anything his fans can come up with in an argument, while the Broncos had no trump card in Cook’s charade (except for the whole thing about not answering his boss’s calls, but on a basic level I think most people would love to ignore their boss too (-: ).

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by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 12:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Man,

You said a mouthful. Right on is all I can add to that.

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by grind_core on Aug 19, 2009 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sandy Clough is a waste of life!

Most moronic man I have ever listened to. HE HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO KNOWLEDGE OF FOOTBALL OR TEAM. I have now got to the point of not listening to 104.3 just because of him . . . we should all do it.

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by HSFBCoach on Aug 19, 2009 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm in CO Springs, so I don't get The Fan

Except for a few brief, fuzzy bursts. The bits I’ve heard are just atrocious.

"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"

by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 19, 2009 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm in the Springs too

But I had court in Douglas County today. I used to like to listen to the Fan when I had to drive to the Metro Area, at least when they were the Avalanche station. After the last couple of trips this off season though . . .

by lawb0y on Aug 19, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

This guy is unbelievable

When he had all of his legal issues, who stood behind him? Pat Bowlen and the Denver Broncos. When he “slipped on a McDonalds bag”, who stood behind him? Pat Bowlen and the Denver Broncos. When he skipped the mini-camp, who stood behind him? Pat Bowlen, Josh McDaniels, and the Denver Broncos.

When is this clown going to understand that he owes the Broncos, not the other way around? They’ve given him everything, and all he wants is more.

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by wtnelson on Aug 19, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions   3 recs

After three years, if he doesn't get it

he won’t.

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by broncosmontana on Aug 19, 2009 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've mentioned

before that psychology suggests that if an individual is a certain way at 20 (good or bad traits apply here) that more than likely they will be that way at 30, 40 etc..

I don’t think there is anything wrong with wanting to get paid, but it should be gone about the right way. Clearly Marshall is doing it The Marshall Way.

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by grind_core on Aug 19, 2009 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've tried to stay mellow and even-handed, but.....

This is flipping ridiculous. The Jets like money and want butts in the seats. I bet they’d give up a lot — too much, since any actuary would tell you to stay away from this walking time bomb. I’d love to see how Marshall gets along with Rex Ryan, a man who with seven Napoleon complexes crammed inside him.

As a bonus, we’d get to watch as several trolls just…. explode…. and the inarticulate nicknames for McDaniels spiral into the thousands.

I’m going to put the over-under at a 2nd and 4th-round picks. Any takers?

by Chibronx on Aug 19, 2009 12:33 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I think New York would give way too much for him.

For some reason, I have a feeling that New York would give up much more just to have him there. Sanchez needs a new toy out there, and they think Sanchez will bring them a championship. IF there is a trade, I bet NY throws a playmaker in as well as a 3rd or 4th rounder.

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by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK, I'll put you down for "over."

But as far as playmakers go, isn’t the cupboard pretty bare around there? Not that they have anything to worry about. Rex Ryan is going to fix it by talking tough. That’s awesome, and it makes you a man. Talking a lot.

by Chibronx on Aug 19, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jenkins

What about a player-for-player…Marshall for Kris Jenkins?

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by bronco-Maine-iac on Aug 19, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Are we allowed

to trade him to the UFL?

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL

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by Choochoobonewagon on Aug 20, 2009 1:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd guess

2nd in 2010and 2011. I’d be happy with2 #2s. I think a two in 2011 is equal to a 4th in 2010.

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by 3nS on Aug 19, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

On second thought

I’d say conditional. If BM plays like last year then it’ll be over, if he doesn’t come close it’ll be under.

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by 3nS on Aug 19, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that's too much value

Remember we got Javon Walker (a 1000 yard, big number receiver guy) coming off injuries with attitude problems for a 2nd rounder.

I doubt we’d get much more than that for a time-bomb diva likely to be suspended someday coming off hip surgery who has some nerve damage in one of his hands after putting his forearm through glass.

by dr.mort on Aug 19, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, although it’s important to note that Javon’s injury was far more serious that Brandon’s. That’s not to belittle Brandon’s injury, but Javon had blown out his knee

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 19, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

How about this

The Jets are ALWAYS willing to give up high draft picks for immediate impact. Brett Favre, Kris Jenkins, Lito Sheppard anyone? How about trading up to get both Sanchez AND my guy Shonn Greene in the draft this year? They have absolutely NO problem getting rid of draft picks. That being said, I think we could strike a deal where we get Jerricho Cotchery and a second round pick. The Broncos aren’t going to trade Marshall for 2nd and 4th round picks. Are we as fans even blown away by that deal? The Broncos need to be blown away by the offer, just like they were for Cutler, or Marshall stays for this year at the very least.

by Sayre Bedinger on Aug 19, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

As much as I want to see Marshall on the field, and being a great weapon for us, I just think it’s not going to happen. He doesnt want to be here. We might keep him and be last on the depthchart, until he becomes a free-agent. What did we gain? Nothing… We might as well trade him and at least get something of value in the process.

Imagine the MSM blow up (and blow us as Broncos up) when we trade him. Im not going to be on the internet that day…

That being said… I think our offense is good enough without him. With him it would just be better.

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by BroncosNL on Aug 19, 2009 12:34 PM MDT reply actions  

The Marshall Plan

I can’t help but wonder if he is doing this on purpose to lower his trade value. This way he can stick it to the Broncos in that they have to accept something less then they would have liked, then he’ll turn around and act like an angel and a superstar receiver for another team.

Is that logical or realistic?

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by NYBronco on Aug 19, 2009 12:40 PM MDT reply actions  

I had this same thought yesterday...

but it really makes no sense for Marshall either. Especially considering his surgery and off-field issues. He wants a pay day now, as a security measure, because he probably has a feeling that he won’t get much better than last year.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he's that messed up in the head, then yes.

Money makes people insane sometimes. This guy makes more in a couple weeks than I do all year, so I could care less when they want to double their millions before their contract is up.

Let him sit. Or even better, design plays were he has to go over the middle and let him get CRUSHED. If he doesn’t want to play, then we can fine him and he makes nothing.

by SinDonor on Aug 19, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

My guess is that he knows he's damaged ...

and wants his pay now before anyone finds out. Further, I would suggest he would be incapable of holding a real job outside football. So, his only play is try to get paid so that he can skate the rest of his life.

I suppose that is expecting the worst out of someone, and it is certainly commenting on a situation I know very little about. But his actions suggest to me there may be some validity in my observation.

by Broncos Rule on Aug 19, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

With a guy like Marshall, the Broncos could do the same thing the Eagles did with T.O and Deactivate him every week….

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by John Bena on Aug 19, 2009 12:43 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

What do you mean?

I’m a little confused with all the terminologies.

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by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

He would be on our roster

but inactive each week. Kind of like Tim Crowder last year. Doing this with BMarsh would be lose-lose for us though.

by ButteBronco on Aug 19, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily

If he is a restricted free agent at the end of the season, we get something when someone signs him.

by jonahsilas on Aug 19, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not as much as we would get for him in a trade right now.

On the bright side, McDanials probably wouldn’t draft Maurice Clarett with the compensatory pick.

by ButteBronco on Aug 19, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good idea.

That’s about where I am with this right now…

by NedBronco on Aug 19, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ditto!!

This is exactly what I was thinking!! We don’t trade him, he doesn’t take up a 53-man roster spot, each week, and he doesn’t get his weekly paycheck. This looks better and better every day…

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by fooballa303 on Aug 19, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Unless I misunderstand he WOULD take up a 53-man roster spot

Deactivating him doesn’t take him off the 53-man squad. It just means he’s not one of the 45 players eligible to play in that week’s game. And everyone on the 53-man squad does get a paycheck, whether they’re active or inactive that week.

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by spock on Aug 19, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sure he would...

Does it matter, though?

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by John Bena on Aug 19, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's the rub

If we keep him he takes up a roster spot and gives us nothing. If we trade him we prove once again that despite tough talk we will cave in to a player intent on pouting his way out of town. At this point I think we should just bite the bullet and get what we can for him. Changing an entrenched culture is hard to do but it has to be done if the Broncos are to get back on a winning path. We need to purge this team of its problem children. It’s dispiriting, however, that the organization, whether it was just one idiot or whether he was acting on orders from above, should have made such a bonehead move. Whoever is ultimately responsible for this fiasco, whether it was McDaniels are somebody else, needs to be called to Bowlen’s office and raked over the coals.

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by spock on Aug 19, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

What's really unfortunate

Is that Marshall isn’t adult enough to understand the reasoning behind not acting ‘happy’ for the media about it.

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 19, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

Rec'd John -

That was basically my idea by ‘benching’ him, but like Calijoe – wasn’t certain of the terminology.

This is likely the best-case scenario, at this point.

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 19, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

We dont

need anymore distractions. Eather extend his contract or trade him. If he doesnt like the offer and we cant get what we want for a trade, make him play special teams. I like Gurus take, treat him like TO, thats what hes has become.

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by jerry251 on Aug 19, 2009 12:45 PM MDT reply actions  

DOH!!!!!

I dont hink BM is anywhere close to being the TO virus………..but he is well on his way :)

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by Disturbed70 on Aug 19, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

errr think not hink

"The question that sometimes drives me hazy, Am I or the others crazy?" -Albert Einstein

by Disturbed70 on Aug 19, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

We can laugh at TO all we want (and I do), but at least he’s never had any legal issues…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 19, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

true

how nice would it be if this thread was only about marshall dressed up like lance armstrong on the practice field sidelines this afternoon because he only came out of the locker room to ride the stationary bike and loosen up those leg muscles.

by dr.mort on Aug 19, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

TO shows up and plays the game.

Yes, he’s a character, and some would mistake that for a cancer. He has his faults, but at this point, I’d rather take a loudmouthed TO than a legal-troubled BM

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dont laugh at TO....

I laugh at the Orgainzations who think they can fix his attitude ;)

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by Disturbed70 on Aug 20, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

If we cave into either of his demands,

then we will never be rid of the drama. Next time it will be someone else trying to follow in BM’s and Cutler’s tracks. The only right move here is to expect him to honor his contract, and deny all trade offers that aren’t ridiculously huge, I mean offers you would have to be insane to walk away from. That being said, who in their right mind would sell the farm to pray BM doesn’t get the cops called on him again.

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by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 12:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

the Jets Raiders and Redskins

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Aug 20, 2009 3:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

What a bummer.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 19, 2009 12:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Truth is will Marshall will be here this time in a year....

even if he is a bronco through this entire season….how can the broncos give him the contract he seeks. If Eddie keeps playing at the level he has…than in a couple years he will require a high level contract (I truly dont want to say demand because I love Eddie and his team first attitude and I just hope he dosnt become a diva)

This is a tricky situation for managment and Id hate to be in their shoes….tho I guess if its played right we may get that second first rounder next year….tho I sure will miss seeing BM throwing around DBs

On To Victory!!!

by alacumba!! on Aug 19, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions  

Call Arizona

see if we can get Boldin for him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by jerry251 on Aug 19, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions  

not gonna get boldin

the reason why cards want to get rid of Boldin is b/c of the money issue

they’re not going to want to trade one WR looking for big $$$ for another

by Bustafluff on Aug 19, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly....

While it’s a no brainer for us it’s actually a worse off situation for them. No chance it happens

by T.Dot_Bronco on Aug 19, 2009 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

We'd have a better chance...

trading for Braylon Edwards. Not saying we should but that would be the only way we could go receiver for receiver.

by T.Dot_Bronco on Aug 19, 2009 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

time for a change

i have been a proponent of trading marshall ever since he almost pulled that stunt in the endzone last season. that told me all i needed to know, another wannabe t.o. i hope their privately shopping him for more defensive hope. i still didn’t see anything in game 1 that would alleviate my concern. he’s trying to get a new contract for 1 of 2 reasons, either because he knows his body isn’t going to recover like it was before, or he knows the new collective bargaining agreement is going to be a winner for the owners.

by golfdoc on Aug 19, 2009 12:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Flabergasted......

I so much wanna see our offense this year wih Marsh included, however i dunno what to think anymore. Do we really ever get fair trade out of him if we do trade him. When he plays he is worth more than a 2nd draft pick imo, but who would give us a 1st for him.

Truthfully I hope they can work this out with him, who knows?

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by diviesti on Aug 19, 2009 12:51 PM MDT reply actions  

no to boldin

don’t want boldin. that would be getting the same problem as we currently have with marshall.

by golfdoc on Aug 19, 2009 12:53 PM MDT reply actions  

minus the mouth

but PLUS the hard work preparing for a game.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd take Boldin in a heartbeat.

The contract stuff is the least of my worries when it comes to Brandon.

by ButteBronco on Aug 19, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

+100

I’d LOVE to have Bolden in Orange and Blue.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Aug 19, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder how bad the Jets want Marshall? Like Kris Jenkins bad?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 19, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions  

no...

more like LEEROY JENKINS bad.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

LEEEEEEEEEROOOOY JENKINS!

I don’t even play or like WoW…..

by SinDonor on Aug 19, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

me neither

but if I did I wouldn’t last long, that’s exactly how I would play.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least we’d have a chicken. Right?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 19, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

yup

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

Joe Sakic was pure class, win or lose, at all times.

by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 19, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Real Bad

The Jets are definitely desperate for a quality WR.

by Endzone on Aug 19, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Guys

Defensive minded Rex Ryan is not going to trade his starting nose tackle. Not gonna happen.

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by grind_core on Aug 19, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

But wouldn’t it be cool if he did?

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 19, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

heck yea my man.

and I’d say do it in a half a heart beat.

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by grind_core on Aug 19, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jets

The Jets are one of those teams that if they want someone bad enough they’ll get him. As far as getting what BM is worth, this is good news that the Jets want him.

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by 3nS on Aug 19, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

The Jets have been doing stupid stuff for as long as I’ve been a football fan (and then some). So there’s hope for us, yet…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 19, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

see: Farve, Brett, 2008

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by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 19, 2009 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just the other day

I posted a blog about how we should pay him. I am going on the record to say I jumped the gun. While he may be a beast, I think it’s high time we either trade him or bench him until he wants to get his act together. At this point, having two 100 catch seasons in your first four years should have gotten him some kind of raise, but he clearly isn’t in the upper echelon of wide outs. I’m pretty sure Moss, Fitz, Boldin, Andre etc. ALL know their playbooks. It is looking more and more like Shanahan had no clue what character means. It’s ok, folks. We have to experience our growing pains this season, and that doesn’t mean we can’t be competitive. I just think it will take all the bad seeds being purged from the team to see what McDaniels truly has to offer as a head coach. Right now it’s still partly Shanahan’s team. How can he be 100% focused on the team right now with all the controversy surrounding us as of late. He is doing a great job in the media, as he is very savvy and thick skinned. Sorry for the tangent, but it all seems to go together.

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by grind_core on Aug 19, 2009 12:57 PM MDT reply actions  

speed runs rampant

one thing i noticed in the preseason game was the speed/separation that mckinley, our rookie wr had. a little more concentration by him and we could have another player like royal. at least thats the impression i got watching him.

by golfdoc on Aug 19, 2009 12:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Hard Ball

Since day one with this junk I’ve said the same thing…bench his pansy little rear. Ruin his chances for a big paycheck if he wants to keep being such a pathetic little whiny baby. I’ve never seen someone so physically overpowering (love watching B shove CBs into the dirt after the catch) be so much of a baby since TO.

This guys is a grade A stinking pile of dung. Play ball or get out.

Yeah…any 1st round pick gets B-Marsh if I’m the GM.

GRRR

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Aug 19, 2009 12:59 PM MDT reply actions  

To balance out all the negative reports

I just read today’s DB.com blog, and there is a picture there of Marshall on the scout team. Dude sure doesn’t look like he is moping – looks happy and having fun.

http://bit.ly/2M8tvI

I am not pleased as punch with his admission that he doesn’t know the playbook, but makes me think he hasn’t quit entirely!

by jonahsilas on Aug 19, 2009 1:03 PM MDT reply actions  

He generally looks happy and is SUCH a nice guy

You can’t go by appearances.

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by spock on Aug 19, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

True dat

Just trying to temper my own inner flare up of indignation!

by jonahsilas on Aug 19, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

For $$ he will even play football!

by jonahsilas on Aug 19, 2009 1:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Flesh Eating Disease

I believe the Broncos have this horrible flesh eating disease that will do one of two things. Either it will kill us, or we’ll survive and be that much stronger for it. Right now, I can’t tell which is going to happen…it sure looks like our team won’t make it through the night(ie 2009 season). I just want to win baby.

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Aug 19, 2009 1:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Have faith Zappa.

All will be well. The worst than can happen is we’ll finish 3rd in our division. (No way in hell are we losing the division to Jokeland)

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

flesh eating disease???

fader nation is a conquered nation

Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!

by mdierk on Aug 19, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Divaculosis

It is said that ducks crash and die on the blue turf.

by Welcome2Boise on Aug 19, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

cranial rectal inversion :D

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by Disturbed70 on Aug 19, 2009 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would love to have voted NO

however there is more evidence he has. I mean not being up to speed on the playbook? What else to you do besides getting healthier if you aren’t on the field practicing? You think that Marshall would be handling this better considering he saw the way Jay handled his ordeal. I guess not.

You are so right Guru and when things are going badly you really do learn a lot more about someone. I figured he would step it up when he saw all the new WRs we brought in.

Get healthy, learn the playbook like every NFL player does, and his new contract will come. Simple as that.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

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by weazel on Aug 19, 2009 1:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Marshall for Hester + picks

both hate the guy throwing to them…

broncorat

by broncorat on Aug 19, 2009 1:15 PM MDT reply actions  

LOL

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

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by weazel on Aug 19, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

We can't help the Bears, they need to suck for us to get a good pick.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Devin Thomas or Malcom Kelly and a 2nd rounder.

Snyder would get a ‘superstar’….Denver would fill the void with promising young talent at WR and another pick. WhoooHooo!!!

by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 19, 2009 1:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Or...

….Thomas Jones and a pick from NY.

by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 19, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

NO WAY!!!

Thomas is starting to show signs, but are they a real replacement for Marshall? Not in my book.

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Aug 19, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I doubt...

…even with the wildest luck, that BM will ever bring fair-market value.

by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 19, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably true..

and yes, dealing with danny and raping him of picks and players isn’t terribly hard to do, but i’m not sold on Malcom in the Middle Kelly….

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Aug 19, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jets player

The player I saw that would interest me is Gholston

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Aug 19, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1000

still looks lost on the field…

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Aug 19, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm still not sold on the idea that Baltimore is out of the picture.

Anyone else have that hunch?

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions  

yup

We gotta get nastier on D!!!!!!!!!

by Broncofan on Aug 19, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

i've thought that too

they just paid foxy big cash, and they have lots of injuries across a suspect group of wr’s.

by dr.mort on Aug 19, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not to mention Mason could still retire.

Not to pin the Favre card on him, but he could still bail on them. Then they are really in deep water.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep

I stated before: Ravens, Rams, entire NFC East and AFC West could use BMarsh.

by SinDonor on Aug 19, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Brandon wants a new contract, then he should LEARN THE PLAYBOOK.

This guy is a huge distraction. He thinks that the Broncos actually need him, but he forgot that we already have Eddie Royal et co. I wonder if Brandon even thinks about the consequences of his actions? Just look at what he’s done in terms of the law.

"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

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by broncoholic on Aug 19, 2009 1:20 PM MDT reply actions  

I would also like to ask.................

Brandon if he really meant it when during the Cutler fiasco he said that Mr. Bowlen and Coach McD have the rings so I will trail along with them. Apparently that was lip service.

We gotta get nastier on D!!!!!!!!!

by Broncofan on Aug 19, 2009 1:24 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

This is a Michael - Fredo Situation

Denver is dead to Brandon. Reading between the lines of this whole ordeal, it’s pretty clear to me at this point that Marshall just wants out of Denver at any cost. He’s had a rough go of things while living in Denver— the majority of his arrests have been while he was a Bronco, the McDonald’s bag incident, and most importantly, his involvement in DWill’s death. Throw all this together and add an entitled fanbase, a below market contract, losing the coach that always had his back, and the QB that helped make him a star, and you can see why he “hates Denver”.

I realize most of the arrests and the fall were outside of Denver and the Cutler and Shanny situations were after his “I hate Denver” comment, but Denver is where he had to come to be held accountable for all his transgressions. I could see him saying, “great, now I have to back and deal with Woody f’n Page”. By far the biggest issue here is the Darrent William’s murder. I’m not saying that he was responsible for the Murder in any way, I’m just saying that it has had to have a huge affect on his life and his perception of Denver. I think we as fans underestimate how big of an effect that event had on the organization. Every other player that was there that night is gone.

Brandon wants out of Denver. Sure, money has a lot to do with it, but these other factors play a huge role too. I think these other reasons are why Pat Bowlen told him he would try to accommodate a trade— especially the DWill angle. I’m not saying Brandon’s right for wanting out for these reasons. I’m just looking at the situation (especially Bowlen’s willingness to trade him and Marshall’s “I hate Denver comment”) and trying to read between the lines.

The best case scenario is a trade before the season starts. Now that his court proceedings are behind him, I think enough teams will be interested to creat decent value. I don’t think it’s out of the picture to get a starting receiver second round pick, or a reciever project (Devin Thomas) and a first round pick. I would take either.

by ButteBronco on Aug 19, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

It's pretty clear that he had a part in that New Year's Night

Javon Walker had to get outta town to clear his head too. But a move to Oakland hasn’t seemed to flip the script too much.

The truth is, trouble follows you more than you follow trouble.

by dr.mort on Aug 19, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why don't we send him to Dallas, he'd be a second coming of T.O.

"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.

by broncoholic on Aug 19, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

He had a part in the NYE tragedy for sure,

I just didn’t want to sound like I was blaming DWill’s death on him.

Trouble may follow him, but the point I was making was that this guy seems to want out of Denver period.

by ButteBronco on Aug 19, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

This is a very good point.

Brandon wants out of Denver because he can’t get away from his past here. He is in denial. He thinks because he wasn’t found guilty it proves he’s a good guy. He just won’t admit he’s done anything wrong. He contributed to the death of another player, but no remorse. What has he got, 14 arrests? He wants to go someplace else so he can smile and pretend he’s a charming little boy that everyone loves. Too much reality for Brandon in Denver.

by MichaelCushman on Aug 19, 2009 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why should we trade for another WR, when the depth at that position is off the charts.

Why don’t we trade for a D-lineman??? I don’t want draft picks b/c the only pick I would take is a #1, but two #1’s in one year is hard to deal with…Knowshon and Ayers.

"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.

by broncoholic on Aug 19, 2009 1:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Agree

BM is a special WR but Denver wouldn’t be hurting if he left.

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Aug 19, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

2 number 1's

puts us right back in the situation we were in this year. Which by the way isn’t a good one. 4 number 1’s in 2 years is a LOT of money.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 19, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm getting at. It's like having Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on the same team.

"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.

by broncoholic on Aug 19, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Off the charts?

We have an OK set of WRs without BM but it’s nowhere close to being off the charts. Might even be bottom half of the league, actually.

by creamy on Aug 19, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Trade him to the Jets for Britt Davis and a 2nd 2010

 Britt Davis | #17 | WR

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Height: 6-3 Weight: 205 Age: 22

Born: 8/23/1986

College: Northern Illinois

Experience: Rookie

High School:

by bfree2bronc on Aug 19, 2009 1:47 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't understand how you could think Brandon knows the plays

He wasn’t here during the offseason and has only been on the field for a couple of practices in preseason. The only way to know the plays as a WR in an offensive system this complex is to be on the field doing them. It’s one thing to look at diagrams in a lengthy playbook. It’s another to be out there repping them. I never understood why people thought he would just show up after trial and run out as a contributing starter. This is a VERY complex offense and he skipeed the entire offseason. This is not a surprise.

by Broncos_FTW on Aug 19, 2009 1:47 PM MDT reply actions   3 recs

+1 and rec'd

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Aug 19, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

Instead of showing how well he could dunk a basketball following his hip surgery, he should have been on a field – ANY FIELD – running through the playbook he should have also been studying.

"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius

by ArrowSpread on Aug 19, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not surprised he is way behind either,

but I just don’t buy that he couldn’t have gained anything from the playbook without being on the field. He needs to understand not just his responsibility, but also the whole offense’s. Heck, he also needs to know what a defense will most likely do when they see the physical manifestation of the diagrams. Which explains why McDaniels has had the offense line up as defense during camp. Marshall just had to go through that too.

I don’t get the impression that McD is trying to punish Marshall, as much as requiring he catch up. I wouldn’t want him taking reps from a starter if he doesn’t know the roll of a starter.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 1:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

now that's funny! LOL

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Aug 19, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Denver Broncos trade Marshall for their own #1 pick.

now that would be a bombshell.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 1:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

CBA

The reason the FO holds the trump cards is that after the season:

If no CBA renegotiated, Marshall will be a restricted FA meaning he can be tendered for a first and a third. That’s his value – unless they could get that now…

If not, the franchise tag would allow another FO trade like Cassell.

by dr.mort on Aug 19, 2009 1:51 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Inside knowledge

I wonder if we should take Bowlen’s position on this whole situation as a hint that the CBA will expire.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 1:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Trade

Have you ever stared at a hypnotist’s wheel. Sucks you right in until you’re sound asleep. The whole BMarsh saga today feels like being hypnotized and got me thinking.

What exactly are we lacking for the team’s NEEDS and how best could we leverage any potential BMarsh trade?

  • Do we need a #1 WR if we trade Marshall?
  • What other needs could we fill and what are they?

Marshall is a big-body WR. We don’t have another like him on the roster unless we converted Scheffler. What other somotype WR’s are available? Maybe Boldin from Arizona? Maybe Braylon Edwards from Cleveland? Do we really need a #1? Royal is certainly great but not the big body weakside WR like Marshall. Maybe a promising rookie WR plus picks?

I don’t think the team has any GLARING needs right now. Areas of weakness, yes, but nothing glaring. What other needs could we address?

  • QB – I’m completely happy with Orton. Would I rather have Manning, Brees, a few others? It could happen. But I’m in no rush.
  • D – I’m still concerned about our Dline. We could also use depth in our secondary.
  • ST – We could probably use better kickers.

by Endzone on Aug 19, 2009 1:56 PM MDT reply actions  

huh?

Getting Manning or Brees is not a possibility… :)

I agree…d line help is always nice…but what team (outside the NY Giants have enough depth to give up real talent)? I’d argue the only team that appeals to me is the Giants… They’re backup D-line is better than 75% of the league.

kicker???

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Aug 19, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just some topics

I’m just asking what the team needs and whether we could meet those needs by trading BMarsh.

by Endzone on Aug 19, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

i would say

defensive line help…

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Aug 19, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like this line of thinking Endzone

I just got back from rehab and I find this mess. I stated earlier this morning, that we should just cut Marshall and I stand by it. If we were to trade him, I think we should try to upgrade our LB corps. Yes it would be lovely to get Boldin, but I think we will be fine. You watch, McDaniels has been prepared for this for quite awhile. Why else do we have so much depth at the WR position?

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 19, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

LB's & WR's

I was disappointed with Fox & Barrett last Friday, so I’m thinking we could upgrade there. My only concern is that BMarsh is a “big-body” WR. I was also impressed with Fields and Baker at NT, but not as much with our DE’s. We are also a little weak on our SOLB spot, IMO.

by Endzone on Aug 19, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I must be the only guy in Cyberspace

That thinks we are going to see him starting for the Broncos week 1 and signed to an extension sometime after.

…Unless the Jets are going to go loco.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 19, 2009 1:59 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah…I’m kinda there with you.

Follow the Arizona and Cincinnati playbook for dealing with ‘disgruntled’ WRs.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 19, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

You are not alone

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope we fire the Jr. staff idiot that when rogue to tell the players what to say and not to say without first discussing the matter with The Coach.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 19, 2009 2:10 PM MDT reply actions  

McG...

I have been there. Not everything goes through the coach. While I find it high.y unlikely that a Jr. staffer would do this on their own, the PR staff does not go through the HC. It if indeed come from above, it was above McDaniels as well….

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by John Bena on Aug 19, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

McG

Just wanted another opportunity to express his distate for McDaniels (note that he always refers to McD as “The Coach” in capital letters as if to say that McD thinks he’s god). It’s just so tiresome.

by Endzone on Aug 19, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

He expressed distaste for the Jr. staff member, not The Coach

Granted McGeorge has expressed many unpopular views (especially to enjoyers of Kool-Aid) some of which appeared to be only to cause unrest, this comment isn’t one of them. I for one like the differing opinion he has to offer (most of the time), and didn’t think he deserved any backlash for this one. Your own distaste for McG may rival his for McD.
No offense meant, BTW, Endzone. To each his own (differing opinions and all).

by Royal With Cheese on Aug 19, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

As John Noted

John noted that McG was indirectly saying that McD was responsible.

by Endzone on Aug 19, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

No I was not.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 19, 2009 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think...With all due respect to McG

He is actually mocking McD using the “The Player” expression during the Cutler saga…It is classic McG though…He even got me to use the term on occasion, although not for the same reasons…

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 19, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Correct.

Kill them with their own poison.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 19, 2009 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the directive came from The Coach. I really do think some rouge Jr. idiot was trying to make a name for himself. It was a stupid stupid stupid thing to do and it gave BM some (very small but unnecessary) leverage.

In the case of BM, I find no fault in The Coach. None. This mess is all on BM, a Jr. Staff moron and our crappy medical staff that can’t diagnose diabetes, major hip injuries, dozens of hamstring injuries and mass weight loss. But mostly BM.

And if you are tired of me calling The Coach, The Coach. I can assure you I am beyond tired of you guys rationalizing every freaking thing The Coach has done, Orton’s play, the Cutler fiasco, Bowlen’s behavior, etc..

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 19, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

You mean the Cutler fiasco in which Cutler asked to be traded BEFORE McDaniels arrival?

Bowlen’s behavior? Could you please elaborate?

I am tired of your continual “rationalization” of what you perceive was wrong. Sorry to say McG . . . you are in the minority. Get used to it!

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by HSFBCoach on Aug 19, 2009 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed, Guru

I find it doubtful that a junior staffer would take it upon himself to take that kind of action. It probably came from the front office, in my opinion. Regardless, somebody’s tail should be in a sling over this stupid move.

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Aug 19, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. Obviously domestic violence is an extremely touchy issue and I think the Broncos didn’t want any of their players saying something that was going to be misinterpreted or seen as an insensitive. I don’t think it had anything to do with their thoughts on Marshall or was intended to be a personal jab at Marshall.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 19, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

-1. These are grown men. Treat them as such. They don’t need a muzzle.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 19, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Grown men say incredibly stupid things regularly,

that is why PR departments exist.

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 1:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't agree

The advised approach was the wise one- there was two sides to the very contentious story. PR is all about not angering anyone. It’d look very shabby to appear gleeful for one side.

Obviously the execution of the plan was suspect, but Marshall’s objections show how clueless he continues to be in the PR department.

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 19, 2009 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm with AllBroncsallday

It would look shabby indeed. The infamous PR instructions have nothing to do with not “supporting” Marshall — fair or not, it’s certainly true that players expressing unreserved happiness about the outcome would read as being glad that he “got off.” Assuming that the other Broncos would never mean such a thing, it’s a shame that they didn’t get the chance to say so to the press, but … I guess that’s just life in world where what you mean isn’t always what gets heard. (Especially for celebrities whose words might get broadcast around the country within the hour.) Alas.

Anyway, either Marshall is actually really hurt that the team restricted his teammates from expressing their great joy to the press or this is just another occasion for him to express whatever dissatisfaction he’s had with the team for a while.

Or to put it another way, I’d think about this episode differently if it was coming from a player who hadn’t already asked to be traded.

by GordonPym on Aug 19, 2009 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Excessive Celebrations

Just like on the field, off-field celebrations should not be excessive. I think BMarsh was expecting to repeat his touchdown glove celebration that Stokely rushed in to prevent.

by Endzone on Aug 19, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just pictured someone throwing a flag during a press conference

“excessive celebration! Assess 15 yards at the kickoff!”

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 19, 2009 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's always easy to blame the "rogue staffer" or "bad apple" (see: Lynndie England)...

it probably wasn’t from McD, but I’ll bet some on on the PR staff (maybe Saccomano himself) came up with the strategy. As speculated elsewhere on MHR, it’s probably a case of the PR staff looking at the problem from a pure PR perspective (not wanting to upset any women’s group, etc.) and not from a personnel perspective (pissing BMarsh off even more).

by ButteBronco on Aug 19, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

There's nothing new about the concept

of getting the people in your organization together to give a unified message to the press. A lot of people (me included) wouldn’t know what the hell to say about a sensitive subject if a microphone was thrust in their face. There’s nothing wrong with giving people some guidance on the matter. It doesn’t take much to twist that guidance into something nefarious, if your mind was already there.

by ShawnDenver on Aug 19, 2009 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

i'm biting my tongue

i kinda think i know why the FO didnt want celebrations

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Aug 19, 2009 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

BM

BM hits women, but he can’t trust the Broncos! Whats wrong with this picture?

by Tech_man on Aug 19, 2009 2:16 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Funny!

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Aug 19, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Marshall for Urlacher

Let them reunite….just kidding, sort of.

by phondonkey on Aug 19, 2009 2:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Trade Marshall for Tommy Harris

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 19, 2009 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know your joking, but the Bears must suck for us to get the best pick possible

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 1:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

another thought

in my earlier posts in wanting to trade marshall…. haven’t come across the many ideas of who to trade for. i would only trade him to nfc, liked the idea to giants if we can get some of their def. line or the rams. don’t know what the rams have in exchange.

by golfdoc on Aug 19, 2009 2:26 PM MDT reply actions  

We may be overreacting a bit here:

From the Marshall interview:

“I’m still here and I’m a Bronco. All I can do now is try to get into the best football shape and go from there…all I can do is show up at Dove Valley everyday and try to do my best”

When asked if he would sign a contract extension he replied, “I’m here now and I love playing football…it’s what makes me happy…and I love what I do”.

When asked if he’s still hoping for a contract extension, “I think that’s what all players want”

These may not be word for word…but it’s the gist of what he said.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 19, 2009 2:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, I just heard the whole press event on 104.3...

and I didn’t think it sounded that bad. McDanials also downplayed it pretty well.

by ButteBronco on Aug 19, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well that is reassuring

but nonetheless – it’s hard to believe he doesn’t understand the reasonings behind not wanting teammates to go all ‘public’(ly happy) about his trial

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 19, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

His body language says it all...

he’s not happy and is begrudgingly doing his job right now…

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Aug 19, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just watched the interview on db.com

And I have to say, this is not what the media says it is. I was watching Marshall’s face the whole time, and he seemed to get annoyed at the media constantly trying to prod him into saying something negative. The things he said did not in any way make it sound like he is quitting, he never said a “breaking point is near” as the headline at DP suggests.

He seems to have had his feelings hurt by the PR incident and is smarting about it still (understandable) but he also seemed to actually be trying to put stuff behind him and actually defended McDaniel’s and the whole 2nd team/scout team thing.

He can exasperate me at times, but this time I don’t see any fire, Just the media with a commercial grade smoke machine.

It is said that ducks crash and die on the blue turf.

by Welcome2Boise on Aug 19, 2009 3:03 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for your Insight
WATCH THE DB.COM VIDEO AND MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND

To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.

by Broncobh on Aug 19, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Watched and...

came away with the feeling that he’s not happy….he’s giving Cutler-like answers….i really like BMARSH on the field, but he’s wearing on me… just get out on the field and play…

Beware the wrath of a patient adversary.

John C. Calhoun --

by bcfunk on Aug 19, 2009 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's what he is doing (until the next 'hammie')

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Aug 20, 2009 1:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wait...

Are you saying the drama-lovin’ media is intentionally overplaying a story to create the drama they crave?

Say it ain’t so!! ;)

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 19, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

poll results

are sad. i wish there was a “i hope not” vote. …… i still picked yes

by 3rdegree on Aug 19, 2009 3:05 PM MDT reply actions  

MSI reposted

a trade sending Marshall to KC in exchange for Croyle and a second is in the works.. Of coarse this is a pile of crap and even AP homers laughed at it

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Aug 19, 2009 3:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Maybe I'm missing something here . . .

but isn’t BMarch entering the last year of his contract?

As a 4th round pick 3 years ago, I think he’s entering the 4th and final year of his rookie contract. Historically, that’s when the Broncos will redo a guy’s contract (i.e., TD, A. Wilson, etc.). Given that he has (clearly) outplayed his first deal, and he obviously has all the talent in the world, why wouldn’t we extend him? And for those of you playing, the answer CANNOT be because he’s had off field issues, because that can and would be easily provided for in the contract.

Basically, this is as confusing to me as almost anything else that’s happened this offseason. We actually managed to draft an absolute STUD at WR, one who makes the QB, #19, Hillis, and any other RB better just by his presence on the field. We, as a team, are significantly less without him. These are the types of players that do not grow on trees and they almost never come without some sort of issues. At least BMarch has a personality, is liked by his teammates, plays hurt, competes for every ball, and will block.

Why in the world would we not extend him?

by Elway's Ghost on Aug 19, 2009 3:17 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

He is astonishingly underpaid.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 19, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Assuming you're not being sarcastic,

 and given the economics of the NFL, I completely agree.

Money would solve this and it should be spent giving BMarsh a Roddy White type contract (with appropriate safeguards in place in case he is attached by another flat screen, etc).

He is NOT a player that we should let slip away.

by Elway's Ghost on Aug 19, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not being sarcastic at all. What are other back to back 100+ reception WRs in the league getting paid?

I tend to agree with you…this is not a guy that we can let get away. It seems like this whole thing would be resolved by an extension and I think we should just roll the dice and get it done.

"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!

by PosterNutbag on Aug 19, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ok

I’ve found you can never be too careful around here, especially when one is not 100% in agreement with management decisions! ;)

Here’s hoping he’s still with us (both physically and mentally) this season and beyond!

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