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Jarvis Moss returning tomorrow; Peyton Hillis one-on-one interview coming

Marcus Thomas told reporters after practice that teammate, and fellow 2007 draft pick Jarvis Moss will be returning to practice.  Moss had been considering retirement, but after leaving the team yesterday, he had a change of heart today.  Thomas was also a college teammate of Moss' at Florida.

Also coming up, a brief interview with MHR favorite Peyton Hillis.

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Good news on Moss.

I’m sure he’s down about his place on the early practice depth charts — and his contract will make it difficult for him to make the final cut — but he has the tools to really excel at OLB. Here’s hoping he’s returning not because of the money, but because — even if he’s ultimately cut — he wants to say he gave it his all.

by JeffG on Aug 2, 2009 11:47 AM MDT reply actions  

depth at OLB

We’re actually stacked at OLB, even though we lack experience. Moss will have trouble winning a starting job because of the quality of the depth, but that’s a good thing from our perspective. The rush backer position is highest impact position in the 3-4 (NT would be close), so it’s a good place to be stacked.

BTW — re: contract. It’s a sunk cost problem for the most part. His salary this year is $660,000, so we don’t actually save much if we cut him, and we’d also take a cap hit. Citing a player’s salary as a reason to cut him has become overused. We’re actually paying him less than most players. We’d strongly prefer that he play. He’s worth more to us on the field. It’s not a savings if you don’t get any benefit from the money you aren’t spending.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

It’s a lot of money to walk away from. My guess is this is all about the money with Jarvis. If he is cut, he doesn’t have to return the signing bonus.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 2, 2009 12:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Yes mcgeorge

Because all players play the sport for the money and not for the love of the sport. You may be right but if it was about money he would probably just quit becuase he has enough to live on already.

by gnarlybroncodude on Aug 2, 2009 1:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

McGeorge is right. When Jarvis started considering leaving, he likely had no idea that he would owe the Broncos millions if he left. Also, he likely doesn’t have as much as you think he does. After taxes, agent fees and young, single guy spending, there’s probably not a lot left. If he had that pure “love of the sport”, then he wouldn’t have considered leaving in the first place.

by Broncos_FTW on Aug 2, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

good to see

I am happy that Moss is coming back to practice. I really like his potential and for some reason believe he will rock in this new D.

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by Earthtiger24 on Aug 2, 2009 12:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Jarvis may be coming back, but you can bet the possibilty of him having an impact with the Broncos is over. Book it. He may even be cut before the season starts. I don’t dislike the guy. I’m just telling you what will happen.

by Broncos_FTW on Aug 2, 2009 2:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Square pegs in round holes

I think it is time to realize that Moss is a bust at any position he plays, time to cut bait and give reps to some guys who can actually play on Sunday.

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by Broncoman on Aug 2, 2009 2:41 PM MDT reply actions  

very glad to see he's returning

I really have to wonder about the perspective of some fans. Have they ever actually played any sports? Who among you hasn’t considered quitting at some point?

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 2:48 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd comment.

I’m pulling for the guy. His rookie year was lost because of injury, and he’s had his struggles (with the rest of his team mates) playing in schemeless schemes. Let’s see how the guy does on a real defense, and judge him then. His measurables coming out of college were superb, so he may still be a surprise. If not (as you pointed out in an earlier comment), we really don’t gain much by cutting him.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 2, 2009 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I suspect

depression might be at its grim work here. This is far froma clinical opinion, but I have sen people close to me deal with it, and there are some similar signs….

I think if he can just log some more time with this team, it will be a powerful network he can tap when needed, much like his college team in florida. Last years team, not so much…

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 2, 2009 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

that's my feeling, too

Stress levels are remarkably high around now.

What’s significant is that he has put the time in during OTAs, and his recent comments about playing LB were very positive.

The feeling of wanting to walk away from it all is still pretty normal, however.

I’m reminded of my own comments related to grad school admissions; the reason there’s a question about relatives attending school is because they want the kind of person that has family pressure to continue when any other reasonable person would quit. Having a dad who received his PH.D. at that school means that you’ll continue despite the abuse. As a professor said: “if you don’t hate it then it hasn’t taken.”

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 2, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Aug 2, 2009 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point!

I quit my eighth grade football team because of the pressure I felt because I lost a starting position after an injury. And that was eighth grade football. God knows what kind of pressure these guys face. Nevertheless, I did come back the next year and was eventually a varsity starting tight end by my senior year in highschool.

by Kapiti on Aug 3, 2009 2:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

the problem

Here it is in a nutshell:

“Basically, he just felt like . . . everybody’s saying he’s a bust and all that,” said Thomas, a teammate of Moss’ at the University of Florida.

Moss can read. The kind of comments some posters here make about him have had their effect.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 3, 2009 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

He needs a lesson in sunk costs

This is an amazing opportunity he has…how many players with his injury history, and lack of onfield time get a shot at a near total reset, with a completely new staff and an opportunity to play for not just one, but two diffeent posiitons?

Camp cures all, he just needs to be consistent right now, more than anything…

There is no army so powerful as an idea whose time has come.

by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 3, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

motivation

To understand the situation it’s necessary to appreciate the fact that the opportunity may be part of the problem. It hasn’t bought him happiness so far, and the money may have merely isolated him further and accentuated the fact that money and acclaim don’t make someone happy.

Constant negative press, much of which questions his character, doesn’t help either.

I’ve often spoken of the “big man’s disease,” which is a emotional vulnerability, lack of social skills and support system. Being a large male can be a kind of curse, particularly for successful athletes.

They’re feared because of the size, so they often don’t develop social skills. Or to put another way, they have the perfect tool for ending any conflict, so there can be little opportunity to develop coping skills.

They lack support networks because they’re treated as adults at a much earlier age than their peers. This is because they aren’t viewed as needing emotional support because they’re “a man,” a designation that is prematurely bestowed on them because of their size.

The added burden for athletes is that they are ‘pushed’ into sports at an early age because of the size & ability, which often makes their motivation for what they’re doing a ‘vicarious pleasing’ of others. The athlete isn’t pursuing sports for his or her own intrinsic motivations as much as fulfilling what other people expect of him/her.

Challenges, which are few during their early career because of their ability, bring the foundational motivations into examination. In essence, a big part of their motivation is to please other people, and when other people aren’t pleased, then why do it? The myth of the big, strong male often hides emotional vulnerabilities. Other people can rationalize emotional neglect and cruelty under the belief that aren’t like other people.

The truth is that big, strong male athletes often need more emotional support than other people and have a greater difficulty asking for it because they’ve been raised (though societal expectations) to equate having their emotional needs met as a form of weakness.

I could go on but — it can be as simple as having other people believe in them. The ironic thing is that since the athlete has been winning approval all of his/her life by being successful at sports, having that approval removed or replaced by strong disapproval (by nasty fans) is a recipe for getting them to quit. And to go on — accusations related to money are usually far off the mark, since it’s simple emotional reinforcement that drives the athlete to continue, along with the fact that it’s all they know, so there’s a tremendous personal investment in their career. Their reasons haven’t changed throughout their career, they still enjoy their sport for the same reasons that kids enjoy it. Harsh, untrue and unfair criticisms, especially when intentionally cruel, can cause them to question their reasons for continuing — (as it should, since there’s no reward). The attention that fans pay to the money is dangerously offbase, since it’s often the money that draws the attention of unscrupulous manipulators (thus cutting the athlete off from normal social relationships), and it’s the money that alienates them and hurts their values (i.e., being able to buy anything robs them of ’valueing" because acquiring loses its meaning).

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Aug 3, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

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