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Horse Tracks 8/20/09 - Are we making too big of a deal over BMarsh?

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DB - Day 20: Marshall - Broncos TV
Brandon says he's not yet comfortable in the offense. He claims to not know what his agent requested from the Broncos. I don't know if it's just me, but this video doesn't make Brandon seem so "disgruntled" in my eyes. Obviously he's not happy with what happened the other day, but I don't know if we've got as much drama playing out as is being portrayed. Try to watch the whole video if you've got time; I'd like to know what you honestly think. Try not to go by snippets of quotes from the articles/columns that follow. I certainly could be wrong, as I was about Cutler; maybe he and McDaniels are just playing things down as they try to work on a trade. I just think BMarsh will be here all year...

DB - Day 20: McDaniels - Broncos TV
McDaniels plays down BMarsh's appearance on the scout team. He also says he's not concerned by Marshall's knowledge (or lack thereof) of the playbook. Also, McDaniels likes Kenny McKinley's work ethic.

DB - Day 20: Donatell - Broncos TV
Our first time hearing from Coach Donatell; he's impressed by the staff Josh McDaniels has put together.

DB - A Work In Progress - Gray Caldwell
A look at Kenny McKinley's performance against the Niners and his progress with the team. Meanwhile, secondary coach Ed Donatell thinks the new defensive scheme will help create more turnovers this year. We've heard that before, so we'll see...

DB - Day 20: A.M. Blog - Chris Gentilviso
The offense worked in two-TE sets a good amount, which I hope we'll see this season. Plus, big plays from Lee Robinson and Josh Bell.

DB - Day 20: P.M. Blog - Chris Gentilviso
The evening brought 5-wide formations. Britton Colquitt worked on FGs, presumably to show his dual value as a backup place kicker.

DP - Marshall rift with Broncos getting bigger - Lindsay Jones
More on Brandon's presser; a quote from Eddie Royal at the end.

CSG - Marshall's relationship with Broncos remains strained - Frank Schwab

GD - My Game: John Elway
The Greatest Ever writes of his love for golf and how his years in Denver didn't help his game.

 

Star-divide

AP - Marshall Says There's Trust Issues With Broncos - Arnie Stapleton

DP - Krieger: Broncos' new slogan: We know drama
Krieger says Josh McDaniels brought the "inner drama queens" out of BMarsh and JC.

LTC - Scheffler settling into new role - Brian Howell
Tony Scheffler says he's being asked to do more as a player this year (read: blocking) and that it's time for him to "step up as an every down tight end" rather than just a receiver.

NFP - DMN: The Jets need a wide receiver
Lombardi doesn't see the Jets sending enough Denver's way for BMarsh. But he could see them overpaying for Dwayne Bowe of the Chefs.

DP - Dove Valley Days: Broncos rookies seeing lots of action - Jeff Legwold
Legwold considers the idea of Brandon Stokley and Jabar Gaffney both playing the slots in 4-WR sets. Meanwhile, Darcel McBath and Alphonso Smith have practiced in place of Brian Dawkins and Champ Bailey, respectively.

DP - Despite his cast, safety Dawkins still making plays - Jeff Legwold
Yesterday concluded two-a-days for the preseason.

DP - Smith goes from tense to traded - Jeff Legwold

KDVR - Preseason Week 2: Denver Broncos vs. Seattle Seahawks Preview - Chris Tanaka
What to watch for on Saturday

CSG - Broncos notes: Brandstater isn't worrying over playing time - Frank Schwab

CSG - Broncos camp glance for Wednesday - Frank Schwab

9NEWS - Karl Mecklenburg lends his experience to student athletes

PFW - Ex-NFL punter Sauerbrun signs with UFL's Florida Tuskers
What is there to say? Man...

AFC West News

SFC - Awful practice shows Oakland's glaring absences

SFG - Raiders Silver and Black Blog : Lorenzo Neal gets cut

SFG - Raiders Silver and Black Blog : JaMarcus: Cool or clueless?

CCT - Inman: Painful lessons for JaMarcus Russell

SDUT - Malcom Floyd is humble and healthy

SDUT - Jackson sprains finger, Hochuli revisits Chargers

KCS - Chiefs camp buzz: Haley explains Cassel comment

KCS - As Zach Thomas continues to recover from an injury, Corey Mays is making most of his chance

NFL News/Columns

PFW - Owners discuss ramifications of cap-less season - Eric Edholm

NFL - Mora expects Seahawks to open season without LT Jones, CB Trufant

NFL - Rams bring in veteran RB Ahman Green for workout

NFL - AP source: Tennis-playing Williams sisters to be part owners of Dolphins

NFL - Entering second season as the starter, Rodgers comfortable as team leader - Vic Carucci

NFL - Giants' revamped defensive line can set tone, but Manning must finish job - Tomas George

CBS - Giants camp report: Season depends on receivers stepping up - Clark Judge

CBS - Browns camp report: Anderson working to regain job, personality - Mike Freeman

NFP - Tavern talk: blue-chip players, part 6 - Mike Lombardi

NFP - NFL Notes: Will Jets now look to trade Jones? - Matt Bowen

Y! - Steelers RB ready to dance on the field - Jason Cole

NFP - How players can avoid going broke - Jack Bechta

ESPN - OTL: Lion Flub - Jemele Hill
The rapid fall of Charles Rogers.

NYT - Q. & A. With John Madden: He’s Still on the Bus - RIchard Sandomir

NFP - 2009 NFP scouting series: UCLA - Wes Bunting

Favruhhhhhhhh

ESPN - Fran Tarkenton expresses disdain over Brett Favre and retirement indecision

FOX - The world according to Favre - Mark Kriegel

Y! - Favre's rock opera strikes familiar chord - Charles Robinson

SI - Brett Favre's signing sends bad message to Minnesota Vikings players - Ross Tucker

NFP - Wednesday whys: It's all about Brett - Andrew Brandt

NFP - It Didn't Have to be That Way - Robert Boland
Boland on drug suspensions and the Favre drama

Poll
Is there truly a major rift between the Broncos and WR Brandon Marshall?
Yes. He wants out and cannot be happy with Denver in '09.
165 votes
No, he'll be fine once he learns the playbook.
157 votes
Not sure. It could go either way...
273 votes

595 votes | Poll has closed

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Brandon Marshall

I think Brandon Marshall is an amazing athlete and a spectacular football specimen. Unfortunately, for Marshall and many with top talent is not living up to the full potential they have. I wish Marshall would just pony up, learn the playbook, and have a great season on and off the field so that the Broncos can award him with the contract he seeks. The Broncos nor any team for that matter are not going financially strap themselves for Marshall until he shows he can (1) stay out of trouble off the field; and (2) stay healthy. If Marshall does that and continues to produce and improve as he has on the field, then Marshall will get the payday he seeks. Hopefully, for us Broncos’ fans, it’s in a Broncos’ uniform.

by RSH089 on Aug 20, 2009 6:04 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Having Watched the Full Brandon Marshall Interview

I think a lot of it is the media baiting Marshall into answers. It’s not like Marshall was going on some tirade. He was answering a lot of questions—many of them concerning hypothetical situations that almost any player would have given the same answers to.

by RSH089 on Aug 20, 2009 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I got the same thing you did.

The reporters were just egging him on so they could write about something. I mean he answered the same question several times. One thing Marshall said that Culter didn’t was that “I am a Bronco”
and he said it TWICE. He also stated that his best thing to do is get into shape and learn the playbook. He also stated, “I love playing football and it is hard to be disgruntled when you love what you do and I love what I do” and he said if while smiling.

A big part of me thought this way from everything I read on MHR and what I hear from the MSM. Every time I hear something they never mention him missing time in camp which takes time away from learning the playbook. They also assume that because he isn’t with the first team then there is a major problem. He is coming off an injury, give him time.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Aug 20, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he showed maturity

in the way he handled some of those leading questions. Nice to see from him.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think another important quote is BMarsh saying that he and the Broncos “have to move forward.” It seems that many misinterpret those words to be that he “has to move on” (as in to another team).

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 20, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

To both broncosmontana and nyc....agreed on both.

GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!

2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Aug 20, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with you NYC and RSH.

So the moral of the story is be careful what you read from the MSM, but that’s nothing new.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Aug 20, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just my opinion

but I wish everyone, including this site would just leave this alone. It’s like picking at a scab and is beneficial to no one. You folks (and I say that with utmost respect) seem to be stirring the pot as much as anyone. Can we just take a breath – please? Go Broncs!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Aug 20, 2009 6:22 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

In other words

Yes, we are making too big a deal out of it. Agreed, though it is worrisome that he doesn’t seem confident about the team he plays for, as fans, we should support him until(if) he is no longer a Bronco. It’s tough to have an offseason filled with so much stress.

Thanks for the tracks nyc

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 20, 2009 6:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely written, McG. I agree with all of your points; however, my gist was more that perhaps too much was made of Marshall’s comments, and that he’s not quite as unhappy as is being portrayed. Personally, I think Brandon just speaks whatever is on his mind, and it’s not always such a big deal. Him basically saying “how can I be disgruntled when I’m doing what I love” (paraphrased) shouldn’t become “I’m disgruntled.” At least, that’s not how I heard it…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 20, 2009 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. The guy is a football player. When the ball is in his hands, it looks like he is playing harder than everyone else on the field. He will have a hard time bypassing $2.2MM to sit on the sideline. Let’s hope for a three TD or 15 catch game early in the year. It would probably do wonders for him and it’s not unreasonable to think it could happen (esp with teams like Cincy, Cleve and Oakland) early in the year. The schedule makers did Denver a great service by giving us a chance for a fast start and help put the offseason behind us.

For those of you that have not noticed, the reports out of CIncy, Cleveland and Oakland have not been good.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What???

you got a problem with fisticuffs on the sideline?

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 20, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not when it’s the Raiders. I’m all for that.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent points

I would just interject though that personally I’m well acquainted with the league-wide issues you’ve mentioned and I never expected the Broncos to be immune to the same difficulties. I think for many of us it boils down to this: Shanahan’s long tenure brought us a certain modicum of organizational stability that we really got used to. His handling of the Portis issue before it became an issue is a classic example. In my view, we were fortunate to have a coach that would try to resolve those problems before they blew up. (Not every HC has the luxury of doing so, let alone the experience.) And as fans, we became accustomed to winning seasons and player issues handled swiftly and decisively. We were spoiled, even. That would be my take on it, anyway.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So does Ted and several others at MHR. There are a lot of football fans at MHR, but I think there are also a lot of Bronco fans (all Broncos all the time). When I talk draft, college football, the NFC East or the like (and how they relate to Denver), I often get crickets at MHR.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, and we’re gonna kick Washington and Dallas’s overrated butts.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Booyah

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

zing!

I wouldn’t put it past us to take the Giants for a ride either.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 20, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please forgive my ignorance: "crickets"?

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Aug 20, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's saying he gets no response

as in… it’s all quiet except for the chirping of crickets.

"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King

by batgirl on Aug 20, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Aug 20, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's quiet...

…too quiet…

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Aug 20, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

The point is well taken.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Somewhat

However I will disagree with Bowlen pushing the uncle button too quickly.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops

Me, too. Once you refuse to call back the owner, you’re outta here.

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 20, 2009 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I highly doubt Boldin or Peppers has a good relationship with their respective owners. Yet they are still on the team.

Cutler was traded in large part because McDaniels didn’t want Jay as his QB. Never wanted Jay as his QB.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never?

That’s a bit hard to swallow, sorry. Separate from whatever happened this year I’m pretty sure Bowlen was happy when Denver was able to draft Cutler.

by underdog on Aug 20, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said McDaniels never wanted Jay as his QB. It was obvious in the way McDaniels handled the entire Cutler fiasco.

From my understanding, I’m not sure Cutler would have been a good fit in McDaniels offense. Jay’s candid and abrasive approach would clearly not fit in well with the way Josh does things behind closed doors.

Unfortunately, after watching Orton’s poor mechanics, decision making ability and inability to overcome mistakes, I’m really worried Orton doesn’t fit McDaniels system either. I know it’s gotten some sugar coating at MHR, but Orton’s debut was a disaster only mitigated by the fact it was his first preseason game. What Orton showed me as far as talent, developed skills, progress in the system and mental toughness was depressing, really really depressing.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

You have to understand. You doubt, you think it was obvious. Now this has been discussed ad nauseam with you so I don’t want to waste my time.

I disagree. I don’t see it the same.

I am not going to equate Boldin and Peppers to Cutler or even Marshall.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Is it possible

That McDaniels was setting Orton up for failure. Now, I am not saying McDaniels wanted to see Orton fall flat on his face. However, I do believe McDaniels put Orton in the most difficult situations to get an understanding of Orton’s comprehension of the system.

The MSM and fans view preseason games a great deal differently than coaches and players do. The outcome (winning or losing) means nothing to McDaniels. In my opinion, what he wants to find out is where his team is with the scheme and what he can work on to get them closer to winning during the regular season, when it counts.

by adamriggs on Aug 20, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every coach wants to see where they need to improve. I doubt McDaniels wanted to see Orton fall apart like he did. There is no way Orton is not somewhat questioning his abilities this week, no matter what he says. If Orton plays like crap again vs Seattle, the loud downpour of boos he will face at home when we play Chicago will not be beneficial to the Broncos. No silver lining if that happens, not that several at MHR won’t try.

I hope McDaniels realizes that he needs to put Kyle in a position to play well vs Seattle. Orton’s confidence will need to be built back up after his dismal performance vs San Fran.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is true,

but you can never understand what knowledge you have if you don’t test it at some point. I would rather Orton struggle early in the preseason so McDaniels knows what plays he can call in the regular season with success. This is the problem with fans; fans don’t see the same thing coaches do and become restless for no real reason. I am one of those fans, because I just want the Broncos to win even if it is the first preseason game. However, after reading this site for the past eight, nine months, I have been able to step back and realize I don’t know everything about football or what goes into getting a team prepared to play in the regular season.

by adamriggs on Aug 20, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

McDaniels was establishing a starting point to measure progress

He threw Orton in there as if it were a opening day game situation, not holding anything back. He wanted to see what would happen.

Now that the baseline is established, this is what Orton will be measured against the rest of the preseason.

by NYCBronx on Aug 20, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

Or maybe McD, knowing Orton firsthand, believes that he will not rattle his confidence by going this route. Perhaps he knows Orton’s confidence will be okay even if he throws him to the wolves with complex plays this whole pre-season. Kind of like learning how to drive on an absolute clunker. If you can drive that, you can drive anything.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Aug 20, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah

sorry, i mis-read that as bowlen for some reason.

by underdog on Aug 20, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off Topic - Quick Note:

First McGeorge, I always enjoy your comments and I appreciate (the majority of) your points of view…Mucho Respecto

That said, I just wanted to acknowledge that you have made a slight (not unnoticed) shift in your context and you are now using “McDaniels” and “Josh” when referencing “The Coach”…

Is it possible that, although you may still have issue with some of his actions, for the most part you may be warming to (even liking) the way he is managing his position and the Team…

Honest question…Just curious?

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 20, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like several things I see/hear/read. We looked better on Friday than I expected. There was a lot to like – esp sacks, tackling, depth and special teams. We should have won that game by 2 TDs because we were the better team, quite a bit better (turnovers are the great equalizer). I’ve also read that San Fran is just killing Oakland in their joint practices this week so San Fran may not be as bad as I thought they looked Friday (on several fronts).

That said, I was appalled by how bad Orton was. I have much higher expectations. I thought he would be a Top 15 QB in Denver. Well, he looked like a bottom 5 QB in many ways. Such play from our QB would completely derail our season and 4-12ish would be the likely result. If Josh can’t figure out how to get much better play out of Orton, I’ll be here to ream The Coach all season long.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly saw Orton’s play differently. Yes, the INTs were terrible throws and decisions, and they were/are a big deal. However, I thought he sure looked good on most of his other throws. I know it’s funny to put it this way McG, but on that initial drive (before the INT), were you not impressed with how Orton and the offense looked? I was. I thought he and they looked excellent. Obviously, he’s got lots of work to get from there to where we want/hope he can be. But you’ve got to look at the game for what it was – the first preseason game; his first with a new team, new coach, new offense. So much can happen between now and Week 1.

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 20, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur . . .

and rec’d. Nice job McGeorge. Very well thought out and well written.

"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes

by HSFBCoach on Aug 20, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well put. Let the record state for once that I agree (with the obvious exception of diagnosing Bowlen’s trigger-finger with Hope Has a Third Chin).

by Chibronx on Aug 20, 2009 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree up to a point...

A rational player would play hard this season for the big contract next year. It would be a win-win situation for both the player and orginaization.

However, we know that BM is not rational all the time, and has a self-destructive streak. He may pull what Ochocinco did last year and mope and sulk all season with diminished productions. That would be a lose-lose situation for both.

I’m not saying that’s necessarily my prediction, but it’s a possibility you’d have to consider as an organization. What would you do in that case?

by BuckarooBanzai on Aug 20, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cincy didn’t have their franchise QB or the depth at WR to deal with Chad Johnson. It’s also just a piece of crap organization to begin with. Look at how they are handling Andre Smith.

Denver has more options as we have more depth and talent on O than Cincy. A lot more.

As for BM, other than via suspension, I believe he has not missed a game in two years and made 100+ catches each of those seasons. He has always been an impact player for Denver. He has his flaws (lots of them), but when has he just flaked on Denver when it was gameday? I can’t remember a time. He has been a gamer for us. His run all over the field when he gets the ball will get him hurt (already has). His style of play will shorten his career. I understand why he wants money now. If BM was smart, and a bit of a sissy, he’d watch tape of Marvin Harrison and learn how to fall to the ground the second he catches a pass.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lombardi has a nice take on this at NFP.

Check it out.

There is no doubt about his impact on the football field. I don’t think anybody is arguing that.

by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 20, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice article

Key quote:

If Marshall is willing to make this work, so are the Broncos.

I think that’s exactly so. Let’s hope, anyway.

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 20, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good read.

Yep. Marshall is our best skill position player no matter how much more we all like Royal and Hillis. BM is worth more to Denver than any other team. Marshall is the key to unlocking the potential of his teammates at QB, RB and WR. Every team has to game plan around his vast potential to wreak havoc on their defense. Although excellent weapons, Royal and Hillis don’t call for this kind of treatment.

If we trade BM because of a hissy fit or two (as Denver has all the leverage), I will have lost any remaining respect I have for McDaniels and Xanders. Unless of course we trade him for a guy like N’Gata.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 20, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they have any intention of trading him...

…unless a guy like Nagata deal comes along. I think some of us are chasing wind-mills when it comes to some overt attempt by McX to rid the Broncos of Brandon Marshall. If they were truly interested in doing that, he’d be gone.

McX is handling this one perfectly, IMO.

by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 20, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He’ll play this year, the O will do well, and then next year they’ll either keep him or let somebody else tender him. It’s the right move.

by Chibronx on Aug 20, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome post McG...excellent!!!!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Aug 20, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Regardless of where you stand on the new coaching staff, at least we haven’t seen headlines decrying ‘awful practices’. One thing that Coach McDaniels can do is run a practice and get performance out of guys. I almost feel for raiders fans. Almost.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 20, 2009 6:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but has

McDaniels punched any of his assistants yet? I mean it’s really time for him to step his game in that department.

by underdog on Aug 20, 2009 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just Wait

until we start getting into “My coach could beat up your coach” arguments.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rofl

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 20, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus you know that's coming too....

as soon as Fauxland plays us.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 20, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

NYC

I couldn’t agree more. The press tries repeatedly to bait Brandon and he really never bites. Today even Lindsay Jones is trying to turn this into gossip. Brandon takes full ownership of not knowing the play book and tells the writers he wanted to work with the second team. That was completely ignored by the Post.

I also agree with John, the sports guru, that there is no excuse for Brandon Marshall not knowing the playbook, none.

Donkhead, we are sorting the truth here. Marshall has had some emotional times in his life and is being portrayed as an angry man wanting to totally get out of Denver. He actual interview shows a different side altogether. That deserves to brought up IMHO.

"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx

by dmitchell624 on Aug 20, 2009 6:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

One of the reprters in the interview sugests an interpretation of the last days events that was the first I thought about myself; namely that the staffer was asking the other Bronco players not to gloat about the verdict. Marshall does have a history, and the trial did concern a serrious issue – I can easely see, how a bunch of young athletes can come of as smug (for lack of better word(I am Danish)) in a situation like this.

As Marshall himself pointed out, things were going in the right direction before the verdict came. Marshall doesn’t strike me as one that holds any grudges, so I think he will be fine after he makes his first start.

by Jeeeeens on Aug 20, 2009 7:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slight disagreement

 This ain’t Pop Warner. I don’t think you can “know” even a HS playbook without going to practice, at least doing the walk-throughs, etc.
There’s no way you can “learn” an NFL playbook sitting in your Barco-Lounger (OK well maybe the Bears offensive playbook, but certainly not the Broncos).

However, I do agree with the sentiment that, while the situation may be uncomfortable, the MSM seems to be grasping at straw, trying to create controversy.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 20, 2009 7:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a brigher note......

Does it excite anyone else to read almost every day about “Eddie Royal working after practice”, “Eddie Royal taking extra reps” etc etc….. Kid is a professional and I only hope our younger players will follow his example for many years to come…….

by krugster27 on Aug 20, 2009 6:51 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

McKinley

I think that Royal is having an influence on McKinley. There is probably a foundation of the same stuff there already, but I’m reading occasionally that he does the same kinds of things (like the self-imposed push-up penalty for drops in practice) that Royal (and other vets like Dawkins) do. Makes me excited for the future.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 20, 2009 7:36 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Smart Kid

See that other really good receiver. Do what he does. Like Fitz, did anyone see that documentary on ESPN or whatever that said Fitzgerald called Rice and Carter to have them run a camp and teach him how to be better. Damn, what a concept.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's watching marshall

to see exactly what not to do. if he has another stellar year, he can see the payday that potentially is on the horizon. working hard and being a team first guy would only solidify a big contract when he is due for one.

by 3rdegree on Aug 20, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mistake

My mistake was I took the" Marshall said he was disgruntled" statements as true. When I watched the video again he said, “Its hard to be disgruntled when your doing what you love….I love playing football” This says he’s not disgruntled.

Its funny how one misconstrued word can set off a firestorm. (Vision of the California hillside burning)

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Aug 20, 2009 7:45 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice call

That stood out to me, too.

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 20, 2009 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not necessarily misconstrued

That statement can legitimately be interpreted two ways. It could easily mean that being disgruntled is painful because it ruins or at least dampens his enjoyment in doing something he loves to do. Marshall is usually soft-spoken and agreeable in interviews and I suspect in public appearances in general. That’s just his style, and he was probably the same way in college. Just because he’s personable when talking to strangers or reporters doesn’t mean he’s not dissatisfied. Children may stomp their feet, scream, and hold their breath until they turn blue when they’re mad, but adults, even immature ones, usually don’t. My take from the video is that Brandon is disgruntled. If he has a prominent role in the new offense, plays well, stays out of trouble, and gets a nice contract sometime between now and the end of the season, he may well decide he’s happy where he’s at and is having a wonderful time in McDaniels’ system. You can’t always go by a person’s manner in deciding whether he’s happy or mad

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Aug 20, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your take

I felt better about the whole thing after watching and listening to the guy.

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 21, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

weird..

colquitt was doing field goals? Anyone with first hand knowledge of what he was really doing beside what the PM blog says?

by Todd Jewell on Aug 20, 2009 7:56 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

This is just me speculating, but what if Colquitt and Kern are a close call for the coaches? Wouldn’t the additional value of being able to back Prater up in the case of an in-game injury factor into a roster decision?

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 20, 2009 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting take… so no concerns about “competition” for Prater?

I am curious if they wanted added value, wouldn’t Kern also be taking some reps kicking it? [personally I have no clue =)]

by Todd Jewell on Aug 20, 2009 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are always plenty of veteran kickers out there who can do the job, so I can’t imagine Colquitt would ever pose any sort of competitive threat to Prater. Maybe Kern will kick some today? I dunno. Or maybe the decision is already made, Colquitt isn’t going to make it, and the coaches are just letting him try some placekicking. I dunno. I just don’t think it’s something to worry about…

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 20, 2009 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

versatility

is all the rage this year. : )

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Wish We

Saw this in business more. This is Joe our new product manager, he can also do accounting, and run the cafeteria on off days.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

They are saving Praters leg. Its the excuse of last year that he kicked to much early in the year and considering he’s the only kicker, I’d say its no big deal.

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Aug 20, 2009 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's hurt

Not physically, just emotionally. Say what you want about contracts, etc., but I think he was hurt to find out that the PR guy was saying those things. I’ve been standing by the Broncos all summer, but that singular event weighs very heavily on me — it’s a very creepy thing for the team to have done. I understand issues of risk and message control, but this was way overboard at a sensitive time and someone on the team showed very callous judgment. I have to say I’m not sure I would have taken that issue as gracefully as BM just did. He has clearly matured and is not going “loose cannon” on anyone.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 8:02 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It's message control

And nothing more- Gary Miller had it exactly right, it’s politics. It’s unfortunate that BMarsh is choosing to take it personally because he shouldn’t- it wasn’t meant to be personal. It’s just the PR game- don’t make anyone angry. The execution of the plan may have been somewhat clumsy, but really, the “don’t gloat” message was a good one to send.

I agree with you that he’s hurt, but, I think he just needs to let it go- it wasn’t personal and wasn’t meant to injure him. It’s just the PR game, that’s all.

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 20, 2009 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

Exactly

Political Correctness will kill common sense, eventually…. See comment below

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 20, 2009 8:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree to an extent

but I don’t think it’s just how it plays to B. Marsh. I think it’s about how it plays to the team.

Not being in the room to hear what was said, I can only speculate. I don’t mind a little guidance on things you shouldn’t say for legal reasons. I just have very little patience for not allowing grown men to speak for themselves when it comes to personal relationships with their coworkers. That’s what I find troubling.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK but

We both know that, as another poster put it so well, “Grown men say incredibly stupid things all the time”, which is why every team has a PR department. Not to be insulting, but as we know, football players are not always the sharpest knives in the drawer, so I don’t mind a bit of guidance here.

I just don’t see anything nefarious here- it’s just standard.

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 20, 2009 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Well said. I’ll concede the point.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

Not that I don’t understand what you’re saying though. BM’s an emotional guy, and clearly we’ve seen both the good and the bad sides of that.

I just wish he’d shake it off like he shakes off a DB- just bid’ness, BMarsh. Hopefully this isn’t a truly big deal. I really felt better after watching his interview and listening to the man himself.

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 20, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Logically

I think the reason whoever was telling the players not to express their happiness for the outcome, was for those folks who assume he was what he was portrayed to be (an abuser), and think he got off scott free for something he actually did – the PR person(s) didn’t want the team coming off looking like “We’re happy he got away with it”…… This would be the MAIN reason, logically, that I can see the HR side not wanting players to express elation for the outcome.

Again, I see it as ‘humoring’ the conservatives/narrow minded/ otherwise convinced that (a) the player is evil – because of our society’s whole “political correctness” concern.

I just don’t get how so many others (mainly Brandon, or someone who could communicate this to him) don’t see the common sense-ality of this.

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 20, 2009 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

gotcha

That’s a fine point, PJ. Thanks.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I love everybody’s optimism about this being just a routine ‘business’ matter, but this is so obvious (why the Broncos would want to temper comments) that it seems to me we have a Cutler redux on our hands. In otherwords, as soon as measures were/are taken to sooth over one indignity, another magically popped up. I wonder what crisis of trust will be next for Marshall.

I think its inevitable, because I think that Marshall does not want to be here. He will continue making mountains out of mole hills until he gets his way.

Its time to move on.

by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 20, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do think there's a low level of trust here...

especially on Marshall’s side with respect to the organization. But i think his agent saw how Culter over-played his hand so he is trying to keep the issue under control more.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 20, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rubbed Me Wrong Too

What I liked though, was that the first I heard of it was when McDaniels and Bowlen were apologizing for it. Makes me think that they were trying to cut if off quickly once they found out.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apology

If I were the Brocos, I would only apologize by saying we had no intention of hurting BMarsh’s feelings. I would not apologize for the directive itself.

by Endzone on Aug 20, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't understand

why this creeps so many people out.

This kind of thing happens all the time in businesses, especially when the issue at hand has legal implications (don’t forget we’re talking about a trial here). Too much happiness about the outcome could have other implications as well, like nonprofit groups trying to smear the Broncos for supporting violence against women. These are things that any good business needs to be concerned about.

And let’s face it, many of these grown men are in their early 20’s. That’s plenty young to say the wrong thing in an interview.

Frankly I liken this situation to the initial Cutler/Cassell “talks”. Something was said behind closed doors – nobody’s sure what – and then a version of it leaked, and the world ran with it.

This is what happens when there aren’t any regular season games to talk about…

by ShawnDenver on Aug 20, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree on all points

Just a gut level reaction. Bring on some meaningful games please!!

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I was on my way to Camp this morning and about to get on the Interstate when I got the news over the radio, that this mornings practice was canceled. Today’s practice will be at 1pm. So I get a nap before I head up there, :-)
Thanks NYC.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 20, 2009 8:06 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

This seems to happen a lot

Is this consistent with previous years? Part of a new regime finding its footing? Or are they just looking at the weather map and adjusting on-the-fly? I can’t imagine it’s too easy getting 80 guys to show up at the same place/time when the landscape of the schedule keeps shifting. I’m a little concerned.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is.....

Quite intriguing…. Maybe it’s another of the mental preparations(?) See how they do in as many ‘unexpected’ settings/situations kinda thing?

Hopefully, it’s nothing to worry about – aforementioned, or as you state broncosmontana – weather

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 20, 2009 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could be wrong

but all the players are staying in like hotel/dorms — they are not at their houses. I am pretty sure I heard this in an interview somewhere this offseason. Since they have “curfew” I can’t imagine trying to control them if they were at their own houses =)

by Todd Jewell on Aug 20, 2009 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

How About

Those house arrest ankle things.

Oooh or buy everyone on the team an iPhone and track them online.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Caller: Room 388 please.

Hotel Operator: One moment.

(ringing sound)

BM: Hello?

Broncos Staffer: Mr. Marshall? Our tracking system indicates that you are about to step on a McDonalds bag and put your forearm through the television set.

BM: OMG! Thank you! That was close, dude. What would I do without you guys!

Broncos Staffer: Let’s not find out anytime soon. G’nite!

BM: Gnite! And thanks!

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

That was fun

Thanks for the smiles broncosmontana!

= )

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 20, 2009 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Classic!

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Aug 20, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure it wouldn't go more like this...

Caller: Room 388 please.

Hotel Operator: One moment.

(ringing sound)

BM: Hello?

Broncos Staffer: Mr. Marshall? Our tracking system indicates that you are about to step on a McDonalds bag and put your forearm through the television set.

BM: OMG! Your are tracking me?! I can’t trust you. Give me a raise.

Broncos Staffer: Hmm… What does that have to do with you putting your arm through the TV?

BM: I’m mad. Leave me alone. Click

Sorry, if that is over the top. Just having a little fun during these depressing times.

by adamriggs on Aug 20, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO!!

Actually, I think mine is probably what actually happened, while yours is the media coverage about it. ^^

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good example broncosmontana -

and you couldn’t have done it without adam’s reply there. That does seem to illustrate a typical sports media trend for sure!

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 20, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

and don't be depressed!

The Broncos are in good shape compared to many other teams around the league.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

KK

What part of town do you live in? is it a long way to I25.

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Aug 20, 2009 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Northeast side

Powers and Dublin. I take Powers north all the way to Interquest Parkway. Roughly 10 minutes or so. It is too big of a hassle to go down Woodmen. Would you like to come with me to Camp? Or even get together sometime? If so,Email me.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 20, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it possible...

that Brandon has been given a goal of showing he is healthy and can play in this offense and by mid-season he’ll get his contract? Just a question, but you’d think he’d be trying to soak up the playbook if that was a possible scenario.

I just don’t get the sense he is as disgruntled as the MSM paints him to be. The man wants to play football. He has missed a lot of time with the team, including time the last couple of weeks in camp. The court stuff certainly didn’t help him keep focused on the game, but, now that that is in the past maybe, just maybe we’ll start seeing Brandon work his way back to the starting squad.

by bchiper on Aug 20, 2009 8:40 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure WE are making too big a deal over Marshall . . .

but the press surely seems to be playing it up, and we are just following their lead . . . which is what they want. Really, I’m beginning to wonder if all the practices should be closed to the press. Well . . . maybe I wouldn’t go that far, but I’m getting sick of some of these “journalists.”

Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy

by AZDynamics on Aug 20, 2009 9:08 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm. Perhaps I phrased it incorrectly. I actually didn’t mean “we” as in “MHR” – maybe I should’ve written “Is the press overplaying the BMarsh episode?”

by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 20, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you had it right the first time

Just look at the number of FanPosts and responses over the past 12-24 hours – it’s insane!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Aug 20, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Plaxico

plead guilty to a two year sentence. Didn’t he pass up an earlier deal that would have been 6 months that is lawyer begged him to take?

Moron.

Although, 2 years for carrying a gun and shooting yourself, 30 days for killing a guy with your car. How many years did Vick get? Man, I get so confused.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 9:25 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a

mad, mad, mad, mad world, amigo.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vick/Burress

It’s a gray area. One of the factors here is that Vick’s actions were heinous, but involved violence to canines. Burress only shot himself by accident, but his actions could have just as easily killed another person. In our system, apparently that’s a key point. I’m not agreeing or disagreeing – just passing on something that I read.

Given the issues of handgun violence in NY, I don’t disagree. They made a lot of progress at reducing violence by taking a hard line approach. Again – this isn’t to agree or disagree, it’s just contextural.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Aug 20, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is True

These statutes and precedents for legal punishment don’t occur in a vacuum. They are build over time and generally in response to incidents. It is just sometimes when you back up from the detail and look at the overall picture it can make you go cross-eyed.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scheffler

Meanwhile, the article about Scheffler linked above was an example of someone working through their issues and worries with maturity. He wasn’t happy about losing his friend the QB or the coach, but he’s come around, he’s working hard to adjust and he’s putting the team’s scheme first. Kudos to him. There’s someone else on the team who should take notice.

by underdog on Aug 20, 2009 9:30 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Gosh

According to that Chronicle article, the Raiders might be without Javon Walker for awhile longer. I am shocked, shocked!

Honestly, I still can’t comprehend how anyone in their right mind could be looking at the Broncos team and the Raiders team, and the Broncs practices and the Raiders practices, and with a straight face pick the Raiders to finish ahead of Denver in the standings. Not saying it’s not possible mind you, and of course who cares, but it just boggles the mind.

by underdog on Aug 20, 2009 9:39 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And look at the Raiders depth chart

at WR. Not pretty. The Broncos could lose BMarsh and still have receiver depth about twice as good as theirs, seriously.

by underdog on Aug 20, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

They Need To

Teach DHB that “The ball is your friend.”

I think their biggest problem is they don’t have a Royal, or a Stokley to teach the young guys how to do it.

Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.

by Kfustud on Aug 20, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe DHB should adopt

that push-ups-for-ball-drops thing Eddie’s doing. Sounds effective.

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He would then be spending about 80% of his practice time doing push-ups

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Aug 20, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by week 1

he’s have bigger biceps than Michael Pittman.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 20, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

then they could put him on the line

and make him earn that #1 money. ^^

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The press really doesn't help.

I watched the San Fran game a couple of times over the weekend and it irked me how many times the hacks in the booth mentioned McDaniels ‘pursuing’ Matt Cassell and how Orton was ‘Booed at practice because he wasn’t Jay Cutler’.

Many of these things are just people in the press repeating what they’ve heard elsewhere, and they have no idea really that their statements are not necessarily the truth. But in the end what we have is a modern news environment where the news day never ends. Everyone wants the story and if it means overstating something, distorting something for sensational effect (I won’t name names but the initials are ESPN) or going with a story before you have all the facts (I am looking at you, Jamie Dukes) then so be it.

But the problem of course is, if you repeat something often enough – whether it is true or not – it becomes taken as fact. And as passionate as Broncos fans are about their team these things get the Nation whipped into a frenzy. Its has been an uncharacteristically turbulent off season for the Broncos, but the point made here is a good one.

Maybe everyone should just back off a bit and let these guys take care of their business and play football.

by TheMastermind on Aug 20, 2009 9:51 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

BMARSH

is mad about the team not seeing the tare in his hip. I would be mad also. I personaly think he wants to be a Bronco for a long time. The trust issue is all about his hip. The media is blowing a lot of this up just to have a story.

live and die blue and orange

by jerry251 on Aug 20, 2009 9:56 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

thoughts anybody

would appreciate opinions about our returners so far. how are both punt & kickoff competitors doing so far, anyone standing out? how are special teams looking overall? i know it’s early but hopefully new faces that might be on the bubble are stepping up and making themselves known. i hate not being able to go to camp anymore, this site is the next best thing.

by golfdoc on Aug 20, 2009 11:20 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Alphonso Smith has me excited about the return game.

I thought he showed the vision, burst and balls to be an effective returning. I’m predicting that A. Smith is gonna capture this town the way D-Will, Hillis and Royal have. The dude is just a baller and pretty soon we’re gonna see that beyond special teams.

Eddie Royal, of course, makes for a nice second option.

The special teams, including the return game, are going to be night-and-day compared to the train wreck the last few years.

The only concern I see is Prater. I hope he continue to develop and mature, becuase he missed some pretty crucial kicks last year…kicks that could have been coffin nails in previous years.

by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 20, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Old girlfriends

Ted did a great simile on Tuesday regarding old relationships. I’d add something – did you ever end a relationship with someone and suddenly find that all sorts of folks had ‘heard’ about all the terrible things that you supposedly did? The media’s approach to Marshall struck me much that way – a little exaggeration, a little ‘out of context’, a little pure nonsense.

It’s not that my opinion has changed much. I still think that he needs to stop bellyaching, work hard and show them that he’s worth a new contract (and likely to remain blissfully un-suspended throughout it’s timeframe). However, after listening to the way they set him up and played him. I do feel for the guy. He can’t win on this one. Silence isn’t really possible either, since the league requires him to answer at least some of the questions. If they asked him if the grass was green and he answered, ‘It sure looks that way, doesn’t it?’ they’d run a headline saying, "Marshall uncertain about turf’.

golfdoc – most of the reports have Smith and Royal taking the majority of snaps at returner. McKinley and some others are getting a few, but it seems like Eddie and Alphonso are at the top of the chart right now.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Aug 20, 2009 11:35 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Alphonso and Eddie

McKinley if either needs resting. They are justly getting those reps from all I’ve seen and read.

But I like Alphonso as the primary

= )

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 20, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember the first time that Elway played at Castle Pines

I was working in the pro shop at the time. He came as a guest of Dan Reeves and I still remember everyone commenting on how much further he could hit the ball than anyone else had at the time. Of course, this was before the PGA pros played at The International. I remember him being really relaxed with the staff f the club (not the prima-dona that everyone thought he would be).

"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game

by DesertBroncoFan on Aug 20, 2009 12:11 PM MDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Are we going to practice against the Cowboys this preseason?

I know we have the last two seasons, and it was always interesting to see how we stacked up against them in training camp.

by NYCBronx on Aug 20, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting update from Lindsay Jones on twitter
“Update: No sign of Matt Prater, either. More interesting now that we saw P Colquitt practicing field goals yesterday. Stay tuned.”

I know a few of you were wondering if we should make any more of that from yesterday, and I figured no, he’s just doing that to see if he has added value. But this is interesting. Or maybe Prater just pulled or strained something and is being held out. Don’t know if we need to make too much of this yet.

by underdog on Aug 20, 2009 1:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I do

I’m flippin’ out!
I think Prater was in a conspiracy to overthrow the government, man…. and they like, pulled him to be interrogated

Just kiddin’ – couldn’t resist though ; )

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 20, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe she tweeted again saying he was coming out of the weight room.

LJones is just grasping at straws that arent there. At least she didn’t preface this with BOMBSHELL OUT OF DENVER.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Aug 20, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

she's saving that

for when Brandon Marshall is spotted handing one of his buddies a cup of Gatorade.

“MARSHALL DEMOTED TO WATERBOY!”

"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes

by broncosmontana on Aug 20, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

McD interview on denverbroncos.com

He said that Prater is fine and will make the trip to Seattle

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Aug 20, 2009 5:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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