Horse Tracks 8/21/09 - Training Camp over; Will Marshall or Dawkins play tomorrow?
by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 21, 2009 5:57 AM MDT
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DB - Day 21 Blog - Zach Eisendrath
Matt Prater, Brandon Lloyd and Matt Prater didn't practice yesterday. Chad Jackson saw plenty of reps with the 1st team, while Matthew Willis got into the punt-returning mix. Rod Smith made an appearance, helping Eddie Royal (but not BMarsh) with some pointers. In Prater's absence, Britton Colquitt performed kickoffs in addition to field goals.
DB - Camp Comes to a Close - Chris Gentilviso
DB - Day 21: McDaniels - Broncos TV
Next week the team will commence their regular-season routine; McDaniels says the Broncos won't peak "for a while here" - not sure if that means weeks, months or years...
DB - Day 21: Nunnely - Broncos TV
Our first time hearing from DL coach Wayne Nunnely, who says the line is improving and needs to be physical.
NFP - Diner morning news: Marshall and trust - Mike Lombardi
Lombardi thinks Marshall's value to the Broncos is too great to trade him away.
DP - Broncos' backfield already thin - Jeff Legwold
Remember all those folks who complained about the Broncos' decision to sign three free-agent RBs and then draft Knowshon?
DP - Shanahan holdovers can't get defensive about jobs - Lindsay Jones
A few players who survived the offseason roster turnover probably weren't expected to do so - guys like Haggan, Fox, McBean.
CSG - Ramsey: Marshall doesn't fit well in new Broncos era
CSG - Broncos finish training camp, but with work left to be done - Frank Schwab
DP - Scheffler emerging as favorite of Orton's - Lindsay Jones
LTC - Broncos’ Harris desires to be the best - Brian Howell
Ryan Harris is raising his personal goals
AP - Brandon Marshall May Be A No-Go On Saturday Night - Arnie Stapleton
CSG - Broncos camp glance for Thursday - Frank Schwab
DP - What’s the biggest Marshall issue? - Lindsay Jones
DP - Dove Valley Days: Camp ends with lighter mood
DP - Briefs: Simms grateful to Titans' staff - Jeff Legwold
IDT - Drew Litton: Broncos Baby: Brandon Marshall
RMI - Colorado trivia: Denver Broncos all-time receivers
Quiz yourself on your knowledge of the Broncos' record book - this seems to be a transplant from RMN.com
RMI - Colorado trivia: Denver Broncos all-time rushers
DW - The Karmic Guide to Fantasy Football 2009
Jonathan Shikes thinks Karma will get you for drafting JC or BMarsh in your FF league
Y! - Juggernaut Index No. 14: The Denver Broncos - Roto Arcade
Looking over the Broncos' roster for fantasy football prospects
AFC West News
NFP - Breaking: Hanson will talk to police
SFC - Report: Hanson choked, to talk with police
Wow. The grass is definitely browner in KC and Jokeland...
Y! - Fisticuffs, insubordination not new for Raiders - Mike Silver
CCT - Jaw-breaking news from Raiders camp
CCT - Peterson: JawGate is business as usual
CCT - Raiders' Morrison, Bishop O'Dowd grad, battling to keep starting job
SFG - Raiders Silver and Black Blog : The future starts now
SI - Tom Cable, Randy Hanson have clashed before with Oakland Raiders - Jim Trotter
PFW - Asomugha discusses Cable, Russell's growth
SDUT - Making the best of a second chance
KCS - Cassel needs to step up tonight against Vikings
KCS - Seeds have been planted for a QB controversy - Jason Whitlock
Wow. At least our "controversy" is surrounding a guy who's got a one-year contract, not a guy with almost $30 million in guarantees ala the Chefs...
KCS - Five questions about tonight’s game
NFL Results
NFL - Cincinnati Bengals 7 at New England Patriots 6
Chad Johnson actually kicked what turned out to be the game-winning PAT. Now, imagine what would have happened to Marvin Lewis if Johnson had gotten hurt...
NFL - Philadelphia Eagles 15 at Indianapolis Colts 23
NFL News
NFL - Steelers QB Roethlisberger carted off field after injuring right foot
NFL - Bucs' Talib misses practice after being jailed for incident with taxi driver
NFL Columns
NYT - Ochocinco Kicks and Quips - Toni Monkovic
Perhaps he's back to being the guy we all got a laugh out of over the years...
NYT - In Defense of Delhomme - KC Joyner
ESPN - Bucs' Morris is a student of the game - Chris Mortensen
CBS - Titans camp report: Chuck your preconceived notions about defense - Pete Prisco
CBS - Lions camp report: Kings of the bungle will bag some wins - Mike Freeman
PFW - Elam key to Browns' defensive transition
No, not that Elam...
FOX - 'Flava' Favre is king of new reality TV sports culture - Jason Whitlock
NFL - Falcons' offense must carry load as young defense matures - Steve Wyche
NFL - With a new coach and huge roster turnover, Lions not burdened by 0-16 - Vic Carucci
SI - Joey Porter, Vince Wilfork among AFC players teams can't lose - John P. Lopez
I'd disagree with Lopez - in my book, the Broncos' most indispensable player would be Ryan Clady, not Brandon Marshall.
SI - DeMarcus Ware, Adrian Peterson among NFC players teams can't lose - John P. Lopez
SI - Backup power: Ranking all 32 NFL team's No. 2 quarterbacks - Don Banks
NFP - Tavern talk: summing up our blues - Mike Lombardi
PFW - The sack kids of '78
A couple of young players racked up buckets of sacks in 1978
NFP - 2009 NFP scouting series: Indiana - Wes Bunting
NFL - USC's Mays heads safety class for 2010 draft - Gil Brandt
NFL - Ex-Giant Burress pleads guilty in gun case, accepts two-year prison term
ESPN - Final curtain for the 'diva' receiver? - Jeffri Chadiha
ESPN - Fame and funds didn't help Burress - Lester Munson
FOX - Don't feel bad for Plaxico - Alex Marvez
NFP - Plax: Gone for good - Matt Bowen
Y! - Resisting authority ultimately doomed Burress - Jason Cole
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Thanks, NYC!
Can I ask a stupid question? Why is everyone talking about suspensions for Cable? If my boss attacked me and broke my jaw in a meeting, he would be walked out ON THE SPOT and never allowed to return. And that is before his criminal trial after I pressed charges on his violent ass. The Undead needs to fire him yesterday.
by BroncosBassist on Aug 21, 2009 6:08 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree BUT
this is THE WORLD OF AL we’re talking about. The laws of the civilized world no longer apply. ^^
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 21, 2009 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The World of Al-Craft?
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Aug 21, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
"No matter how far a Jackass travels it will never come back a horse"
by SpaceCowboyInLG on Aug 21, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep you are totally correct,
but, it isn’t the real world it’s the NFL until the control of the lost touch owner Al.
by bchiper on Aug 21, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As someone that really HATES the Raiders, I could not be more thrilled about Cable being their head coach. Cable is someone that has been promoted 19 levels above his competency. It’s nothing short of fantastic that he is the coach of an AFC West rival.
The last thing I want is for Oakland to fire Cable and attempt to replace him with someone capable of doing the job.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
At this point in the preseason, Al is just SOL. He’d have to promote someone on the staff to HC. Who could he get to come in at the end of training camp to take over for what is essentially the Titanic with an extra hole for good measure? No, wait, the Titanic was impressive, in her day. I guess it’s more like Scuffy the Tugboat.
by BroncosBassist on Aug 21, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is capable of doing the job
Al Davis guarantees to handicap/cripple anyone with any sort of talent. He won’t let his head coach hire his own staff or implement his own system. And he won’t let them stay in Oakland longer enough to show any sort of spark or ability.
Davis wants somebody who is underqualified and just grateful to be making a buttload of money. So that the don’t care that they have no control over the coaching staff or the players.
by trumanj on Aug 21, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha...
I sort of feel the same way with Norv in SD…. although Turner is several levels higher than Cable in terms of abilities and qualifications.
We should all hope Al Davis lives to a ripe old age and continues to run the Raiders for as long as he lives…
by BuckarooBanzai on Aug 21, 2009 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That story just gets nuttier and nuttier
“Jokeland” truly is an accurate name.
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 21, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the photo!
In Eisendrath’s piece with Eddie and Rod. Lots of respect there from both sides I’d say. I’m going to love watching Eddie play. The guy is the total package in football, and you can really cheer for the man, too!
by MakeCents on Aug 21, 2009 6:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
and it's so easy to be in his corner
when Rod is in his corner, too.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 21, 2009 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take note, 15.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 21, 2009 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Joe Sakic was pure class, win or lose, at all times.
by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 21, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, NYC.
"How dare you condemn me without knowing all the facts?!!"
by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 21, 2009 7:14 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Chad Johnson Kicking, wow
I’m not even gonna lie, those kicks looked pretty good.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
by diviesti on Aug 21, 2009 7:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
his post game comment cracked me up!
" ‘Esteban’ Ochocinco is back, the most interesting footballer in the world," Ochocinco said.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 21, 2009 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sure do hope so
I used to truly enjoy hearing him speak, until a couple of years ago…
by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 21, 2009 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here.
"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent
by broncofan91 on Aug 21, 2009 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad Johnson looked better than Prater.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liked this comment from Graham (in the Scheffler story)
“The offense can change, so we don’t know what’s going to happen each week, so we’re just going to be prepared for whatever they give us,” Graham said. “Everything seems the same; I feel like I never left New England, being in this camp this year.”
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 21, 2009 7:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this one too
After Orton threw a perfect pass to Scheffler during a one-on-one drill, the tight end turned to his quarterback and told him to remember that play, saying "put that one in the bank."
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
by diviesti on Aug 21, 2009 7:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else get the feeling that Rod
is doing exactly what he loves doing the most? No specific schedule, no long hours on the clock, no paperwork, just showing up every now and then to pass on his hard acquired wisdom to the young players.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 21, 2009 8:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Remember – to paraphrase 80, if he’s not making money, he doesn’t want to do it! So don’t expect to see too much of this…haha
by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 21, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
even a little bit of Rod every month or two
is awesome! ; )
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 21, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if he would accept it, but I would love it if they would offer Rod a position like WR coach or something.
He is my offensive coordinator on Madden 06. :)
by lolcopter on Aug 21, 2009 12:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
No chance he would go for that. Small paycheck, lots of hours? Rod’s got better things to do…
by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 21, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Special Assistant:
Player Attitude
8-5…Wednesday – Sunday
$1M / Yr. (Bonus pending SB trip TBD)
by BroncoSense72 on Aug 21, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Now THAT is the finest idea I’ve seen/read in a LONG time…
by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 21, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rod has stated
That he has no interest in coaching. I believe it was the long hours that turned him off. He DID say that he would be amenable to stopping by from time to time and being a mentor type for the younger players.(He has already done this, as you probably know).
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 21, 2009 6:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what I'm referring to
when I say he loves to visit. And that’s fine actually — I think the occasional attitude adjustment and a few sly tricks is all we need from him. There can be no doubt that he was partly responsible for Eddie’s fast learning curve last year.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 22, 2009 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one of the reasons why he's my favorite player ever.
"The night is darkest just before the dawn."- Harvey Dent
by broncofan91 on Aug 21, 2009 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was enjoying reading the articles this morning...
until I got to the one from Ramsey at the CSG. All of a sudden I though I was reading something from ESPN. Geeesh can’t these glorified hack writers let anything go and just wait and see what happens?
Thanks for putting these links together NYC.
by bchiper on Aug 21, 2009 8:30 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That is because Ramsey is an Op-Ed writer
For reporting and Journalism read Frank Schwab’s articles at CSG. You will find more peace of mind and sanity by not reading most MSM opinion articles. If you filter through the sources and find one with reasonable and consistent writing, stick with them. This is, knowingly, a difficult task.
Thanks for the Horse Tracks NYC. Happy Friday all!
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 21, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya Frank's Pretty Fair
in his coverage of the Broncos. I usually do enjoy his articles. Figured since Ramsey was writing for the same paper it would be more factual and less opinion. Oh well…….
by bchiper on Aug 21, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NYC
Gotta say I’ve really loved the reports out of training camp. This is definitely the direction I like to see the Broncos heading. Great stuff!
Joe Sakic was pure class, win or lose, at all times.
by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 21, 2009 9:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
In the spirit of randomnimity:
Did anyone watch the NE v CIN game last night? That was seriously the hardest hitting most entertaining preseason game I’ve ever seen. Those guys were killing each other. It was great.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 21, 2009 9:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention that Ocho Cinco was handling the kickoff duties and even kicked a PAT.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 21, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually did a good job of kicking.
He has said that soccer was his first sport.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Aug 21, 2009 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I got to watch Asante Samuel get humiliated by Manning.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Aug 21, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya Peyton
looked very sharpe in that game last night.
by bchiper on Aug 21, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he was upset with the minn game
Lets hope Orton does the same thing!
by trumanj on Aug 21, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got to say
I really liked what Lombardi had to say about the way McDaniels can use Marshall this year.
I really have a feeling that all of the controversy around Marshall is going to just blow over by the time the regular season starts, and we’re going to see one POWERFUL offense go to work.
by Bronco Nut on Aug 21, 2009 9:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If the fans here don't destroy it
…before it gets going by “demanding” benchings and providing the team with no home town support.
by JeffG on Aug 21, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't get it.
How do you think the fans really play any part in if somebody gets traded or benched? The coaches don’t care what we think. They want to field the best team that will win them the most amount of games. Once they are winning, the fans will be there. No doubt.
by adamriggs on Aug 21, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree . . .
McDaniels and his staff could care less what we think . . . that is a sign of a good coach. Coaches that bow to fan pressure fail every time.
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
by HSFBCoach on Aug 21, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those of you not in the Denver area
(like me) the Broncos @ Seattle game is live on the NFL Network at 730PST/830 MST Saturday night. I’ll be Tivo-ing it. I think they just broadcast one of the team’s TV feeds for these games.
by underdog on Aug 21, 2009 11:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
living in socal
thanks for the info dashiell. i as hoping to watch it live instead of 2 days later.
by golfdoc on Aug 21, 2009 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's usually the home team's feed
In preseason anyway
- in reg. season NFL Network has been known to do one half, home team’s broadcast, the other half the away team’s.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 21, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the whole DEN/SF game it was the 49ers' announcers.
At least we get our announcers for when “you know who” comes to town.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Aug 21, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s nice to have a quiet day in Bronco Nation.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 21, 2009 12:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully it’s not the calm before a storm.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 21, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is though...
There are Blue and Orange storm clouds forming in the Pacific Northwest!!
by BroncoSense72 on Aug 21, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a 50% chance of butt whoopin!
(just hope the butts are silver and green)
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 21, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bronco Nation?
Cad! Heretic!
grin….
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Aug 21, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burn them all!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
by BroncTastic on Aug 21, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 21, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall not going to Seattle
as per Denver Post.
Doesn’t say whether it’s injury-recovery-related, or not being ready, or part of his disgruntlement but I’ll just assume the former.
by underdog on Aug 21, 2009 9:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take all three!
Can I do that? ^^
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith's rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 22, 2009 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the coach
is sending a message to Marshall that playing in this league is not a given even if you are Brandon Marshall
by isiddiqi on Aug 22, 2009 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
COuld very well be true
By the way, the new article on the DP by Klis about this very thing was all questions. It really bugged the heck out of me, so this is what I wrote in the comments there (one of the rare times I post anything there):
Maybe this is just me, but I feel like as a reporter if you don’t know the answer to these questions, then maybe you shouldn’t be writing the article until you know the answers, you know?
First it was the Disappearance of Matt Prater, and now it’s this (admittedly a more ongoing story). Instead of trying to build the suspense out of nothing, how about letting it play out with the facts.
by underdog on Aug 22, 2009 1:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simms ranked #9
I found it interesting that Simms was ranked #9 on the SI article ranking all of the backups. I wonder what they ranked Ramsey at last year? I definitely feel better about our backup QB situation this year.
Also, Cutler’s backup (Caleb Hanie) is a dead last #32. The Bears are definitely “all-in” this year with giving up so much for Cutler (again, thank you Bears!), throwing him behind a suspect O Line, and then having Caleb Hanie as their backup QB.
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
by c_style on Aug 22, 2009 12:23 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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