That was so bad having to watch that game with those guys via the NFLNetwork. The analyst was okay but the play by play guy is asinine and said really dumb things at times. I ended up muting it.

The ball hit the ground during the bobble, and it was 3rd down. Incomplete brings out Olindo Mare for a short field goal.

Potential 4 point swing? I think I’d disagree there about the gamble.

Fairly low risk for the potential reward.

His points are valid, and usually balanced. It’s what he “adds” that is needless. If he would simply state an opinion, and back it up, without all the extras, it would be appreciated more, at least in my opinion.

I think McGeorge is still paying for his trollish ways when he first joined. I think he’s gotten more MHR-like in how he is critical. Meaning he backs his opinions up with more fact and less heresay. We have helped clense his soul of the MSM bullshit. ;-)

This has nothing to do with valid criticism. I roll my eyes at the extra comments and innuendos added.

You could easily say everything that McG said and not include attacks on the poster as “spin.” I for instance would write “In my experience I am noticing that many Bronco fans are not jumping on Orton. Rather they are addressing issues such as… etc etc.”

So lets spare the extra junk.

I can’t remember game 1, but yes, the last game the O-Line didn’t have their best game. But I’m chalking it up to learning a new system. The talent is there – Clady and Harris and the 3 men in between. I just can’t see how they would regress from last year. It’s not gonna happen IMO.

What’s interesting is hearing someone on the local radio today (104.3 maybe?) that mentioned this last game the O-Line was playing zone but the first game they played more of a man to man blocking scheme. Anyone else confirm this? What’s interesting is they should have zone blocking down to a tee, right? It’s what Shanny and Dennison taught.

He didn’t like the fact that I wrote a post about Orton’s pick. He says as much in the comment below this one. He then proceeds to say my writing “rubs him the wrong way”, and I come off as arrogant. That has nothing to do with the Broncos. His Broncos thoughts don’t cross the line, but to think I write with the intention of defending McDaniels is just as wrong. I write what I feel like writing about. There are avenues here for EVERYONE to write about what they want to.

I mention nothing about Dukes, the MSM or anything in my post. Think other fans aren’t crushing Orton about the throw, go look around other Broncos sites.

So please, tell me where I was Intolerant in my comments, as opposed to McGeorge being intolerant in his….

It is not hard to be critcal of McDaniels around here. I make criticisms all of the time. Do you know why they aren’t noticed? Because when I do it, I do it without heavy sarcasm and I provide enough balance that folks should come away seeing the good and the bad.

Often times folks who make positive comments without the facts (I’ll call them the “Kool-Aid” crowd) don’t come across as jerks because they are just cheering their team. That’s what most fans do. Facts based fans (be they positive. negative, or impartial) don’t come across as negative because they write with facts, not feelings. If you read some of my stories over the past few years, you’ll find plenty of disagreement with the Bronco coaching, but I tried not to use “emotional” terms to describe the utter breakdown in our coaching. For that reason, most folks wouldn’t consider me to be a “hater” or negative, even though I’ve been frustrated with this team for so long. But negative guys with few facts often have to make bizzare comments to back themselves up. They are the ones who do the lashing out. There isn’t a dime’s difference between classic MHR troll OFS (who is a raiders fan and has been banned and even changed his name), and someone like “thedoctor” (who claims to be a Denver fan, but you never hear any pro-Denver message). They both exist to come to the site, insult folks, insult the team, then cry about how they get treated when real fans respond. McGeorge is FAR from being a true troll, but his comments sometimes use the troll playbook. (In fairness, he’s come a long ways).

The reason why McGeorge keeps stepping in the poop isn’t his analysis with McDaniels, it is how he expresses himself.

He refers to MHR as “You guys”, calls the work of our members and staff “spin”, and has admitted that he dislikes McDaniels (which should have nothing to do with the man as a coach). He has also spoken for the fan base when he demands that McDaniels lose his job if he “only” finishes around .500 (I expect the team to finish near .500, but to be an improved team). McGeorge has made it plain that he does not support our team’s head coach, and before the HC has even coached a single game.

Baltimore, we clearly aren’t discussing “contrasting viewpoints”. Debate is one of the finer points of being a fan at MHR. But using hurtful sarcasm and being negative (instead of intellectualy critical) is counter-productive.

McGeorge came to this site from the DP, and over there it is nothing but “Who can bitch the loudest” to be heard. To his credit, he has dropped much of the baggage he brought over. The problem is that he still thinks it is neccassary to play the old game where a person takes a personal swipe at someone (in this case, the editor of the site), then cries victimhood when he gets slapped down. Most sites would have banned him by now, but he’s clearly an intelligent writer who’s moving past his DP roots. This latest exchange (like the Orton INT), isn’t the only thing that McGeorge is all about.

If he would just drop the attitude, folks would appreciate him much more. And that’s what frustrates me – outside of his flippancy, his work could really shine here.

Your post today seemed like a preemptive strike against an enemy that doesn’t exist.

I had my dukes up for Orton before anybody picked a fight…and have done the same in the past. Sorry. Its PTSD from this offseason.

Outside of being a pompous and arrogant ass, you occasionally have a relevant and informative comment… just not today.

You know that the folks at MHR are generally respectful and well informed, yet you bring your sarcasm and ascerbic wit (or lack of it) here from the DP. Please stay at the DP; those folks will be better able to appreciate you. Sadly, you’re like the obnoxious in-law that makes everyone at Thanksgiving dinner keep moving around to avoid them.

If you can’t be respectful, simply found your own blog, where dung flinging is an art form.

…is that you see yourself in those terms. Guru didn’t mention the Denver Post at all, but you felt you needed to defend the Denver Post because (at least in your mind), the Denver Post fits the bill. The same with Dukes and King. You even get defensive for yourself, even though Guru didn’t mention you at all.

This shows that it isn’t Guru who is being smug. It shows that the haters are likely the DP and McGeorge in your mind. Your reality isn’t Guru’s problem. If you are going to call yourself a hater, then the article might offend you. But if you aren’t a hater, the article shouldn’t bother you. I think your problem with being labled is your own pathology, and not something that Guru brought up in his article.

Just because you seem to consider yourself the subject of Guru’s article, doesn’t give you any license to call people “You people” and “smug” and “arrogant”. I’ll define smugness and arrogance for you right here….

When you think someone’s article must be about you, you might be smug and arrogant. Get over yourself.

Last, what’s this new and bizzare problem with Guru’s name? Are we now (by implication) to think that you are a drunken womanizer because your avatar shows a (possibly) drunk Orton with some woman? I happen to have a screen name that reflects my former career (I got it when I was teaching in Indiana), but I’m a rare case. Most of our members are not actualy orange (ask “predominanlty orange”), nor are they Victor Hugo (ask “Styg”), nor are they bears (ask at least two of our furry family).

The dig at Guru’s name choice shows your true colors. At this point (and with your newest name calling tirade), you’ve shown yourself to be what you were when you came over to MHR in the first place. You have demonstrated yourself to be neither rational nor educated with your latest comment, and if ad hominen comments are going to be your new staple, I suggest you might find more hapiness going back to the Denver Post which simply swims in high class, analytical reasoning. I suggest you leave the smug and arrogant confines of MHR. Clearly, the house that Guru built isn’t your fancy, and I’m reasonably sure you could even build a better one. We were ok unitl your 8-24 11:26 pathology.

Why so acidic towards your fellow Orange and Blue compatriots?

McDaniels is deep into his planning and evaluation process…If he gets the results, effort and improvement he is working on, the win we would all like to see is likely to happen anyway!

You nailed that one right on the head.

But it’s an exhibition game. I know the drama will live on longer than we’d like to see, but we won’t be discussing Kyle’s or Jay’s performance in preseason game 3 once the Bengals game is over.

We’ll have plenty of other drama to tackle by then, I’m sure. :)

…EVER be glad for a season ending injury. I wouldn’t wish such a thing even on a raider.

Still, I’m buying a virtual drink for everyone in the house for every sack and INT versus Cutler in this game. (And yeah, no season ending injuries, but let’s hope Cutler feels some of those hits. The ones you don’t feel are the ones we don’t want anyone to endure).

We need to keep track of nicknaming credits.

Uno Cinco was another great one but MOMH is also great.

That is good.

It seemed like we were passing more than we did last year. But if that’s the reason, O.K.