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Denver Broncos' Robert Ayers (56) walks off the field with teammates Correll Buckhalter (28) and Brandon Gorin, right, after the Seattle Seahawks beat the Broncos 27-13 in a NFL preseason football game, Saturday, Aug. 22, 2009, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

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3 months ago: Denver Broncos' Robert Ayers (56) walks off the field with teammates Correll Buckhalter (28) and Brandon Gorin, right, after the Seattle Seahawks beat the Broncos 27-13 in a NFL preseason football game, Saturday, Aug. 22, 2009, in Seattle. (AP Photo/Ted S. Warren)

Happy Tuesday, friends.  As I write this, I have to tell you that I feel a little strange, because I was pretty disengaged from football this weekend, much more so than I virtually ever am, between July and February. 

I mentioned last week that I'd be traveling to a pretty out-of-the-way part of New Hampshire, but it's 20 miles outside the capitol city of Concord, so it's not THAT out-of-the-way, right?  Turns out, you can't get decent cell signal even on the outskirts of Concord, so in Warner, where I was, there is literally No Service.  There's no cable or DirecTV where I was staying either, so by the time I got back to Cleveland around noon on Sunday, I had missed a lot of football that I normally would have seen.  I did see the game, up until Tony Scheffler's unfortunate fumble, live, Saturday night, and watched the whole game on Sunday afternoon, so there will be some thoughts forthcoming.    ST&NO will be a little lighter on other games than normal, but we'll have fun anyway.  Ready.... BEGIN!

1.  So, I have been getting asked here and there on Twitter (follow me @TedBartlett905) how many wins I think is reasonable to expect from the Broncos this season.  Twitter is good for quick notes, but 140 characters doesn't go a long way toward explaining your thinking.  I decided to dedicate some space here in the ST&NO mother-ship this week, to answering that question.

To start with the answer, with decent team health, I think the Broncos can be reasonably expected to win 10-11 games this season.  Now, I know the Kool-Aid set wants to read 13-3, and the Negative Nancies are thinking 4-12, at best.  Some very reasonable people think that this is a close to .500 season, like the last 3 have been.  I kind of feel alone in the "fairly optimistic" territory, but I have three key reasons for my thinking, which I will share with you now.

a.  The Baseline Reason - I have said this before, and I will now say it again.  Think back to last December, and get a good mental picture of the Broncos who lost their last 3 games of the season.  Now think about this season's roster.  Now ponder the following question:

Exactly where, besides starting QB, is the team less talented now than it was in December? 

I say that the answer is absolutely nowhere.  I think offensive line, Tight End, Kicker, and Punter are relatively flat, and Running Back, Wide Receiver, Defensive Line, Linebacker, and the Secondary are improved to dramatically improved.  (Really, I expect the flat groups to improve, based on young players developing, but the names are the same.)

If the baseline is last season, and last season's result was 8-8, and a tie for the Division title, how can this more-talented team not do better?  Don't give me the nonsense about the schedule. Even if it is the best reason you can think of, it's still nonsense.  Last year's schedule strength means nothing at all.  Things change year-to-year in the NFL - injuries happen, players underachieve;  there are far too many variables to simply assume that things will just stay the same.

This team is definitely more talented and balanced than the 2008 version.  I am very encouraged by the performance of the first team defense so far, and just some improvement there should be enough to improve the team this year.

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b.  The Relative Talent Reason - Last season saw three teams take a leap from being very lousy in 2007 to being playoff teams in 2008: Miami, Atlanta, and Baltimore.  This Broncos team has more talent on its roster than any of those three teams did.  Those three rags-to-riches teams found winning formulas (formulae?) and two of them got strong play out of rookie QBs.

The 2009 Broncos have about 14 good-starter caliber (or better) players on offense (off the top of my head: Orton, Moreno, Hillis, Marshall, Royal, Stokley, Gaffney, Graham, Scheffler, Clady, Hamilton, Wiegmann, Kuper, Harris).  On defense, the scheme is much better, the talent is a good deal better, and the results by the first team have reflected those improvements.  I have also been pleased with the play of the coverage teams, which, to me, is the most important area to be good at in the kicking game.

c.   The Leadership Reason - This team now has a couple of clear leaders (and had severely lacked them over the last 3 seasons).  Brian Dawkins will naturally lead the way on defense, and Kyle Orton will settle into the role on offense.  Some may doubt Orton, but I watched his reaction very closely when Jabar Gaffney dropped a TD pass, and he did what a LEADER does.  He smiled and clapped, he encouraged Gaffney, and he basically said, we'll get them next time, no worries.  You never, ever saw the Broncos previous QB do that, and I don't think I am going on too thin of a limb to suggest that Bears fans never will either.  Some people just don't have real leadership in them.  Kyle Orton absolutely does have it in him (see Brian Urlacher's comments at the time of the trade), and it will translate to wins.

I am also struck by the fact that Josh McDaniels has never been part of a losing team in his life, and I think that that can't possibly be coincidental.  People with winning habits are the people who always seem to win.  I have not always been complimentary of McDaniels, and it's certain that I will find  reason to criticize him before this column is completely finished.  A winner, though, is a winner, and Josh McDaniels is one of those.

The 2009 Broncos were 8-8 last season, and are significantly more talented from 1-53 now than they were then.  Things will have to break somewhat right for them to maximize their success, but 31 other teams are in the same boat there.  This is a team that can win the division, and be competitive in the playoffs.  Once you get there, you never know what can happen.  Just ask the Cardinals.

2.  Thoughts and Observations on Saturday night's game:

a.  This Broncos team looks like a good tackling team, and nothing could possibly make me happier.  They are going to be somewhat vulnerable to the pass in the middle of the field, but if they consistently tackle well, that portends to being league-average on defense, which is all we can probably aspire to this season.

b.  I will take that kind of play from Kyle Orton all season, and definitely take the Over on wins if I can get it.  He looked very confident and decisive, and his feet looked settled down from the previous week's game.

c.  You have to feel really good about the starting offensive line's ability to pass-protect.  Seattle's pass rush never got very close to Orton at all, and that was a key driver in his success.  The second and third team, however, looked very vulnerable as whole units, which, admittedly, they'd never play as in a regular-season game.

d.  I loved the use of the smash route against man-to-man coverage.  It worked like this, for those who didn't get to see it, or can't visualize it.

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This works really nicely in short areas, like when you're lined up from the 3-yard line.  You want man-to-man defense, because you're looking to make the two CBs bump into each other, or at least worry about bumping into each other.  Anything to get Stokley a step to the outside helps, and if the QB reads it right, he makes a safe, easy throw to the back pylon, and only Stokley can get to it. 

If a defense thinks this is coming, the CBs should switch to what is essentially a partial zone, and not follow the receivers.  If you think you may have seen that before, you have.  Champ Bailey's interception against the Patriots in the 2005 Divisional Playoff game came on virtually this exact route construction, and was forced by a good read by Champ to zone up, rather than follow the man across from him.

So what do you do if it's a zone?  Well, you'd like Gaffney to read it as such, and break off the route outside of the inside CB, and post up just inside the goal line, making himself big for the throw.  I would also run Hillis or Graham to the right flat, and think about throwing it there, because those guys can break a tackle. 

 e.  Chris Baker once again looked really good, and I was pleased with what I saw from Lee Robinson in garbage time.  He looks quick and active, and generally like the kind of backup LB I want on my football team.

f.   Robert Ayers has taken a lot of criticism on MHR the past few days, and I don't think it is particularly warranted.  I really like his physicality and effort, and the results will come, once he gets his technique refined, and his bearings with what is going on.  It's way, way too early to judge him as a player.  I believe that when it is all said and done, he will play a lot on running downs this year, and make his best contributions setting the edge.  He has the best ability to do that of all the OLBs.

g.  If Kenny McKinley doesn't know, he better ask somebody.  The fumbled punt return was pretty bad, but the mishandled kickoff was worse, in my opinion, because nobody hit him there.  He recovered fairly well, and made something of the return, but it was a lost opportunity.  Mistakes like that are a good way to be a practice squad guy, or even get cut.

h.  I didn't think Champ Bailey or Andre' Goodman had particularly great games, but they were still much better than the Broncos' CB performance in 2008.  Goodman gave up two TDs, but particularly on the first one, he was in good position, and came very close to making the play, getting beaten by a great throw.

i.  Kenny Peterson had a great game on Saturday.  I hope he can keep that up, because getting some pressure from a 5-technique makes a defense really tough in passing situations.

j.  The Broncos need to run the ball more and better than they did against Seattle.  I said I would criticize Josh McDaniels, and here is some criticism.  With no balance, you let defenses sit in zone and wait for you to throw it.  Now, I think the key offensive goal on Saturday was to get Kyle Orton more comfortable, and with Knowshon Moreno out, you want to keep your other backs healthy, so I understand the situation, but the Broncos will need to run more as the season goes on.

3.  Other games Thoughts & Observations:

a.  James Davis is going to be the starting RB for the Browns by Week 5 if the Browns want to win more than a couple games this season.  Davis was overshadowed some by C.J. Spiller in college, but he's a good player.  Jamal Lewis is washed up, and can't be the workhorse for the Browns that he once was.

b.  I liked seeing Tom Brady get hit.  The only way to slow down New England is to hit Brady, and the Bengals seemed to have that idea in mind.  Brady didn't look too great, incidentally.

c.  Chase Daniel looked a lot better than Colt Brennan for the Redskins, and one of them is likely not to make the team.  The smart money is on Brennan getting cut.

d.  The Packers look outstanding on both sides of the ball, especially Aaron Rodgers at QB.  I think they look like the favorites in the NFC North, although I am not sold on their offensive line. 

e.  Matt Schaub continued to look really sharp for the Texans, and they have to be very pleased about that.  Houston is going to be very competitive in the AFC South, which, of course, is looking very tough, as usual.

f.   Old friend Mike Bell had 10 carries for 100 yards for New Orleans, including a 46-yard TD run.  He's the type of runner I think the Saints need in their rotation, with his predilection for running downhill.  Reggie Bush isn't a real RB.

g.  I got a look at Josh Freeman, and I think the Bucs ought to start the season with him under center.  In fact, I would endorse starting Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez, too.  I am a believer in getting young QBs game reps as soon as possible, unless the talent around him is so pitiful that the guy is set up to definitely fail.  I think each of those three teams is clearly rebuilding, but each has enough talent to avoid destroying their young QB.

h.  Sanchez looked like a talented rookie Monday Night - sometimes looking talented, and other times looking every bit like a rookie.

i.  You know who is a great player?  Haloti Ngata is a great player.  There is nobody else like him in the NFL.  I love Shaun Rogers, but if you ask me who the best NT in the NFL is, I would have to say it's Ngata.

j.  During Monday Night's first half, broncobear emailed me to ask if I had been high on Paul Kruger in the Draft (yes, I had been, is the answer).  He is going to be a double-digit sack guy for the Ravens, because he's fast and has a great motor.  He even looked good in coverage Monday night. 

k.  Kruger's college teammate at Utah, Sean Smith, was my favorite player in the draft, which many will remember, since I beat the bejesus out of that drum.  I would have taken him 12th overall, I liked him so much.  Well, it turns out, he is probably going to start for Miami, and has vastly out-shined Vontae Davis, their first-round pick.  Smith was the only CB I liked better than Alphonso Smith, and I am pretty sure I had him pegged right (and Alphonso too, for that matter.)

4.  The Brandon Marshall media saga needs to end, and he just needs to shut up and play football.  If he plays well and stays out of trouble, he'll get his money from somebody.  Brandon malingering will hurt everybody, but most especially, it will hurt him.  I don't think he is a bad guy, and I actually give him some credit for being pretty low-key with his comments to the media.  I think he wants to do the right thing, and that he eventually will.  The situation reads to me like the Broncos think so, too.

5.  I'm shooting for debuting a video-package version of Lighting Up The Scoreboard on Friday night.  I want to run it for the Bears game, because I expect the starters to play most of the game, and it's a good opportunity to do a pilot program.  I will skip the Arizona preseason snoozer, and run it every Friday night during the regular season.  Please check it out on Friday, and tell me what you think.

Since I was so disengaged this week, that is about all I have on football.  I would comment on games I didn't see, if I were some MSM hack, but since I'm not, I'm going to do the other thing.  I will be working hard on my video package this week, and I'll have a more extensive ST&NO next Tuesday.  Have a great week!

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Great stuff Ted

Thanks for the insight. Can’t wait for the video “Lighting up the scoreboard”

"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx

by dmitchell624 on Aug 25, 2009 6:50 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great job this week, Ted!

I agree with just about all of what you said about the Broncos.

1. Kick coverage is MUCH improved, and that makes me giggle like a little school girl.
2. I was happy with what I saw out of Kyle this week, and am looking forward to more improvement this week. Too bad it will come with a healthy dose of media circus and hand-wringing from Broncos fans.
3. I saw Ayers in there a couple of times, and he shows the ability. I can’t wait until he gets his head on straight. He’ll be a force from the outside.
4. The runs will come (ugh, is that a medical problem?). We’ll have a dangerous rushing attack this year, barring injuries.
5. I just had a thought while reading ST&NO that made me pee a little. If Kenny Peterson keeps getting pressure from the RDE spot against left tackles, can you imagine what’s going to happen in real games with Doom lined up to his right? I might lose sleep over this one. :)
5a. I know the NT is supposed to demand double teams consistently to make the 3-4 something special, but if our end(s) can do it, can that work almost as well? It’s really early, but teams might have to start sending help on their left sides if KP keeps that up. We might be soft up the middle, but there’ll be three bodies there to take care of that. Well, sounds good on paper, I guess, but it’s probably not nearly as good as a nose who pulls the C and a G every play. Can we hurry Chris’s development a little, please? :)

by BroncosBassist on Aug 25, 2009 7:25 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding the media circus,

I can only hope that our new and improved hawking D gels a little more and makes Jay A) miss his old O-line and B) wonder where the hell we got the Defense that could have saved his ass on several occasions. I want a Pick-fest and a Sack-fest on Jay Cutler. But I will enjoy watching him play. I wish the bears well, just not at the expense of the Broncos.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Aug 25, 2009 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Ted

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 25, 2009 7:45 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree on BM. Unless some team blows us away with a trade offer, Denver looks like they’ll sit tight and wait for him to come around.

I still say your Browns are going to be the worst team in the NFL, just a little bit worse than KC and Jacksonville.

If Colt Brennan gets cut, that is a guy Denver should go after. Brennan is a better prospect than Brandstater (sp).

Ayers looks totally lost, like he hasn’t picked up a single thing in training camp. I don’t see an OLB at all. Maybe Denver should try him at DE in passing situations. At least he plays hard, even if he is playing dumb.

LeKevin Smith looks better than McBean to my untrained eye.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2009 7:49 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You've been saying "my Browns"

Did I give the impression somewhere that I am a Browns fan? I just live in Cleveland, so I see a lot on them here. I could totally take them or leave them.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Aug 25, 2009 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know. You talk about them a lot, but I’m just playing with you. I really enjoy reading your posts and clearly understand you are a Bronco fan.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thougth Chase Daniel looked good also.

I thought he would have been a better draft pick than Brandstater.

As far Marshall goes at this point in his career he is only hurting himself. If what he is doing is a plan put together by his agent the he needs to get a new agent. I think agents sometime only look at $$$.
His agent is more concerned with how much he will make off Brandon.

Just my opinions

by papasteven on Aug 25, 2009 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

@chase

too short, system QB, yadda yadda yadda

by lolcopter on Aug 25, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where is Denver less talented? Many are going to chime in with coach & QB. I’m not. Why does a strong arm earn you more credit these days than accuracy? And could we, as Broncos fans, please give McD a chance before we crucify him?

On your Packers note, did you see BJ Raji absolutely dominate? Why oh why couldn’t we have put together a package to move up the boards and draft that boy? A rare talent.

by kdawggydawg on Aug 25, 2009 7:50 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah dawg people keep say Orton's arm is weak,

well he zipped one through the endzone from the 45 so that tells me it was 55-60 yds in the air. Also I noticed he had more zip on his throws and when he starts getting comfortable he’ll be fine.

On Raji, we may have the same caliber of player in C Baker with a lot less cash out flow.

by bfree2bronc on Aug 25, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Denver runs a ton of pick plays and they seem to work quite well. My worry is the refs hit us with too many offensive PI calls

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2009 7:52 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought the refs in game 2 were VERY one sided. Had this been a regular season game, I was about to have a coronary. 2-3 of those calls, IMO, were asinine.

by Gristle McThornbody on Aug 25, 2009 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We got some very poor officiating in Seattle, but it’s preseason so I let it go. Those refs are in preseason form too.

Still, Denver will get called for a PI or ten if we keep running routes like Ted has diagramed above. When you see these routes play out in the game, I’ve noticed on more than one occasion where Gaffney or Stokes runs right into the DB chasing another Bronco WR running a crossing pattern.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those pick plays...

or as the offense likes to call them “rub” routes are very rarely called for PI. Every team runs them and they can be quite effective. IMO I don’t think that will be an issue at all.

by DBronx777 on Aug 25, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you’re right. You never know what refs will focus on and what opposing coaches will ask refs to watch when their teams play Denver.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Aug 25, 2009 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's naive (recognize the term McG?:)

Opposing coaches have NO influence on what the refs are watching for. People are always accusing referees of -if not taking sides perhaps -but making “unfair” calls. Having been a referee myself (only highschool games) I can assure you that referees don’t give a damn who wins. They may root for the home team when not themselves on the field but once they get involved, they have the exact same agenda as does everybody else and that is to personally look good, which is, of course, accomplished by being the best referee possible. What can make the referee appear to make unfair calls is the fact that he has to make a firm unwavering decission on EVERY play no matter how unsure he may be in a particular situation.

by warmick on Aug 25, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its my understanding...

…that in the NFL teams are allowed to provide crews briefs of their ‘concerns’ regarding the upcoming game each week. So its fair that to say that a completely unbaised and fair crew would still key in on certain team tendencies. So I share McGeorge’s concern on that. There will be some frustrating calls.

by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 25, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have had coaches voice specific concerns

but if it does anything at all, it only annoys you because you feel (rightly or not) that you are keeping an eye on every aspect of the game and no personal appeal is going to make put a greater focus on a particular issue (which necessarily would be to the detriment of another).

by warmick on Aug 25, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to assume

the NFL coaches are professional, and wouldn’t do anything to try to balance out the Hochuli call.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Aug 25, 2009 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've known a few refs (including a couple of college level refs).

I can’t imagine any of those guys doing a “make-up” call. I’ve seen calls that I thought were horrible, but I never, ever thought that a call against my team was anything but the ref’s honest assesment. Sure, I could get angry – but my anger was never directed at a ref’s integrity. Those guys have a tough job, and they do what we all do – they best that they can.

Good call Harv.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Aug 26, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Googled "Rub Route"

I got a few uniformative articles, then one on whitetail dear rub routes. Obviously, less than informative. :oP

Rub routes aren’t anything new, and the devil will be in the details. It is one thing to be a receiver adjusting to create a blatant pick, but it’s a completely different matter if you just run BY the CB (making him think a second), or if you get the CBs to collide, or if the CBs miss their adjustments, etc etc.

Plus, if you can get a WR into a direct route before the CB is there, you can start to make the case that the WR was blocked by the CB. Splitting hairs, I know, but it isn’t out of the question.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on Aug 25, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was going to say

I saw the Bears/Giants game. The giants looked terrible all around. Offense , Defence and ST.
They kept the 1st team in during the 3rd quarter to see if they could any continuity(sp) going. It’s no surprise that Cutler did as well considering the Gianta struggled the whole first half

by papasteven on Aug 25, 2009 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff, Ted!

I mostly agree. Especially about Ayers. Folks need to give the kid a freakin’ chance.

Mike Bell…..I thought the kid had a lot of ability and always ran hard. I guess Shanny gave up on him because of the fumble-itis? Maybe Shanny’s poor personnel evaluation track record struck again?

Aaron Rodgers…..me thinks he might be one of the top candidates for my fantasy football draft. What say ye all? He’s got two great receivers first of all. Him and Drew Brees if they’re available (and I’m thinking they might be in my league….most of my opposition will go for the big names – Manning, Brady, etc.)

by Gristle McThornbody on Aug 25, 2009 8:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

There actually might be an open spot as someone might likely drop. You interested? I could let you know if they fall through. This is just a little league between my family and I – no more than 10 teams. No cost or money involved, we just do it for fun and bragging rights. :)

As to Brees, it’d depend who would get the first few picks. I think there are 2-4 people who probably wouldn’t think to draft him first. :O

by Gristle McThornbody on Aug 25, 2009 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I appreciate the offer. I was being facetious, just ribbing you. The last time I played FF, I lost interest in it because I found myself not knowing how to root for whom when I watched the games. :)

by BroncosBassist on Aug 25, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Predicting the final wins and losses

Predicting the end-of-season results are never easy. This year is especially tough.

I agree with you view of the talent.

The challenge isn’t the talent any more, it’s the production. It takes a while for a team to play together in a new scheme. We have new schemes on offense AND defense. That means there’s valid arguments for 4-12 and 10-6. (No, I don’t think 13-3 makes any sense, but I like the sentiment.)

If the team doesn’t gel early, it could lose some of the early games, loose almost all of the brutal games in the middle and come out 4-12. This is actually a reasonable scenario and one view made by most casual observers. I use to bet on football as a way to supplement my income and the rules of thumb say this is very possible. It’s all about timing, timing of the teams development and the difficulty of the schedule.

If the team gels early and wins the first 3 games, It can split +1 the remainder and end up 10 and 6.

We have seen a great transformation of a team in a short period of time. Now the rubber is about to hit the road. It’s like a teenager driving a car: high probability of an accident or two early. If we can get through the beginning of the season with nothing worse than a fender bender, all could be sweet.

I also agree that if this team makes the playoff, it will be a much better team at the end of the season, than at the beginning, so baring major injuries, the Broncos will be better than their record in the post-season play.

by MichaelCushman on Aug 25, 2009 8:06 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The running game

Excellent as usual Ted! I think there has been a de-emphasis of the running game on purpose in the preseason, so I’m not too worried about it. I know many people felt our OL was less effective in the running game than in pass protection, but at the end of last year they really started opening lanes and I think they’ll do the same this year. I second your thoughts on McD’s attitude of being a winner. Some people are just made that way.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Aug 25, 2009 8:29 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Chase Daniel

signifies so much of what is wrong with the NFL Draft.

All the guy did was lead a perennially mediocre team to national prominence.

by ShawnDenver on Aug 25, 2009 8:35 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That definitely proves

his leadership qualities. I liked what I saw out of him in college also, and think he will be a pretty good NFL QB.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 25, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Buff fan

I was very glad to see that guy move on.

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 25, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also was very happy for Chase Daniel!

Being a Mizzou alum, and living in Columbia, I was really excited to see him do well! I wish him all the best, and if he becomes available, I would want us to grab him!

The big knock on him is his height…..he says 6’0", but we all know it’s more like 5’10" LOL

A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Aug 25, 2009 8:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Shaun King part II

I graduated from Tulane with Shaun King in 1999. We had one of the highest scoring offenses in Div-IA that year and went 12-0 (or was it 11-0?). He was never quite able to make a big splash (other than one playoff run with TB) in the NFL. He was 6-0, and I think he had smallish hands that made it harder for him to hang onto the ball. I wish Chase the best. Who knows?

by BroncosBassist on Aug 25, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rethought

I rethought this comment and realized one difference between Daniels and King. Daniels played in the Big XII and King played in Conference-USA. The two guys may have similar dimensions, but not a whole lot else.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 25, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not a "Negative Nancy",

but I do see very clearly the flip side that leads to 3-5 wins. I agree that the talent is improved, and others have rightly pointed out that with new schemes and new players in all three phases, it’s going to take a while for that talent to assert itself consistently.

I have other concerns, however, that lead me to my forecast:

  • We will not be as healthy in the offensive line this year. We were essentially injury-free in the offensive line last year. Odds are that won’t happen again this year. While we have some talent in the backups, if we lose one or two starters for an extended period, offensive production will suffer.
  • We have yet to demonstrate that we can consistently score in the red zone. Last year our offense ranked second in yards per play, but 16th in points scored. Thoughtful analysis by others, notably Football Outsiders, indicates that the reason is a poor record at converting long drives into points. Last year our red zone efficiency for the season: 54.5%. So far this pre-season: 33.3%. I’m willing to assume that this offense will be very productive again this year in generating yardage, but until we demonstrate the ability to finish, I’m not going to assume more wins as a result.
  • We have yet to demonstrate that we will improve our turnover margin. A big part of the reason we needed those long drives last year was the failure to create turnovers. Last year we were -17 in differential (over 16 games), ranking next to last in the League. This year after two games: -6. Now, I don’t expect us to average -3 per game for 16 games, but until we show some signs of improvement here, I don’t expect better outcomes on the scoreboard.

Yes, there are signs that this team will be better than last year in certain areas. It appears that the run defense is improved (and Dawkins has yet to play). It appears that we are generating more of a pass rush (although in my experience, hurries are a better gauge than sacks). Our kick coverage appears to be much improved. However, unless we improve in the critical areas that plagued us last year, I don’t see how any of this offsets the killer schedule we face.

by db8632 on Aug 25, 2009 9:13 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

we play the raiders, chargers and chiefs twice each says there’s a good chance we’ll win more than 3-5 games. (throw in the browns, and it’s almost a lock)

by lolcopter on Aug 25, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem I have with that thought . . .

is that we are 9-9 against the AFC West over the last 3 years (and should be 8-10). We were better on paper than Oakland and KC in each of the past 3 years, and still went 4-2 against each of them. We are 1-5 against SD (should be 0-6), and there’s no way we’re better on paper than SD. To expect more than 3 division wins is unrealistic, given our past performance and our failure to address some of the problems that have led to that poor performance. Cleveland at home seems a likely win. Cincinnati maybe (although we don’t usually play well there). After that, where do you see the wins? Washington? maybe, but not likely as it’s there. As for the rest, I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t see it.

by db8632 on Aug 25, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree, and add a few more.

Wins last year is a horrible predictor of wins this year.

A few other things:

1) We were 8-8 team in record only last year… we had an absolute gift win from the ref in SD, and the pythagoriean projection had us as a ~ a 5-6 win team based on points for/against.

2) QB is the most critical position position in the NFL. While I fully believe Orton can be a successful starter in this system, he’s no Jay Cutler… plus, he’s learning a new system and it will likely take him awhile to adjust. When he was learning the Bears simplified system as a rookie, he was one of the worst QBs I have ever seen put on an NFL uniform… he improved greatly by last year, but I think a bit of a step back is likely at least in the first half of the year.

3) Our schedule looks beastly… we could be a hugely improved team, and still lose more games. of course, injuries, etc could totally change things both for the positive or negative, but assuming injuries average out (for us and our opponents), it looks like a very tough slate of games the second half of the season.

Now, none of this is to say I expect 3-5 wins…. we look better on paper than the Chiefs and Oak (4 games right there), etc.

However, I think what all this means is that although the team is likely better than last year, a 2 win jump in our pythagorean performance (a big improvement) puts us as at roughly 8-8… add the uncertainties of injury and fumble luck, and that means we’ll likely win something like 5 or 6 if we’re unlucky, 7-9 if we have average luck, and 10 or 11 if we catch a few breaks.

So on average, I predict 7 to 9 wins… with the usual caveats that luck can lead to dramatically different W-L records, even though the team performance level remains constant.

by cjfarls on Aug 25, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

1) agree 100%
2) a 4th round draft pick has no business starting as a rookie. the bears have no business drafting a spread QB for their run first offense. he’s no jay cutler as in “he can’t throw a laser 40 yards down field” or he’s no jay cutler as in he doesn’t 37 INTs and 24 fumbles in 37 starts?
3)agree 100%

i’m shooting for 9-7

by lolcopter on Aug 25, 2009 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

re point #2

I think the answer is “yes”

Orton is more of a system QB vs a gunslinger like Cutler. To me, this means Orton lacks the raw physical talent to simply come in and immediately wing it around the field and succeed (to the tune of 4000+ yards, etc.)… he’ll likely take a bit of time to learn all the in-and-outs of the system, etc.

But it also means he’s may be more liklely to be successful over the long-run, because once he learns the system, he’ll likely be less mistake prone, etc. than Cutler who too often reiles on physical talent over sound decision-making.

by cjfarls on Aug 25, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hrm

You say that last year’s wins is a horrible predictor of wins this year, but you claim our schedule is beastly. How do we know that the teams we play will be so great in 2009? The NFL has ridiculous swings, and I wouldn’t be surprised if at least two of the expected good teams finish at 8-8 or less. Plus, we play the raiders and chiefs. 4 wins right there. :)

I’m firmly in the I-don’t-know-maybe camp. I think we should win between 7 and 10 games., with me leaning toward about 8.

But, that’s only before I commute to La-La Land! 13-3, baby!

by BroncosBassist on Aug 25, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wins is only a part of what makes me think those teams are good

The also had very good pythagorean projections, and have been consistent winners for numerous years (so their W-L record is less likely to be a fluke of luck). They also have a high number of truly elite talents, like T.Brady, R.Moss, P.Manning, B.Jacobs, J.Tuck, T.Cole, etc. etc…. certainly more talent than teams like Detroit, etc.

Its the same reason that folks generally think playing NE and Indy is tougher than SD playing Tenn and Mia… Tenn/Mia had better records last year (W-L), but that doesn’t necessarily mean they were the better teams… they may have been… or the bounces may have just gone their way more often last year.

The NFCE teams had good but not great records… but some of that is they beat eachother up and gave eachother a number of losses… And they also had some bad luck as well (for example, Dallas won a vastly higher percentage of their games with Romo as QB compared to the slide when the statue known as Brad Johnson was QB)… So basically its also reasonable to think those teams are better than their W-L records reflect.

If you look at advanced stats based on play-by-play effectiveness, for example those at FootballOutsiders.com, the teams we play project to the hardest schedule in the NFL this year.

Basically, W-L is a bad predictor of future year performance… but you can also look beyond W-L at the underlying performance and think that Denver’s schedule this year is beastly…

by cjfarls on Aug 26, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember

That everyone in our Division plays that same beastly schedule, with the exception of 2 games. I don’t see the faiders or the chefs doing better with it, do you? Of course, everyone’s expecting the dolts to just run away with the AFC West, but then again, weren’t they supposed to win the last 3 Superbowls too?

by AllBroncsallday on Aug 25, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am looking on the upside but...

I say Denver finishes somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7. I’d LIKE to see 10-6 or 11-5, but difficult schedule notwithstanding it is going to take some time for this new roster to gel within a new scheme and philosophy on both sides of the ball, and that could make for some heartbreaking losses early on.

Denver has a lot of talent on the roster but it is going to take some time to bring it all together. McD has indicated his awareness of this in word and deed, so hopefully the extra playing time in the pre season will help with that.

I’ll have my fingers crossed.

by TheMastermind on Aug 25, 2009 9:21 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

They must have a different brand in New Hampshire, what ever you are smoking must be powerful stuff. Lets see:

Running back improved…just how exactly? Moreno has had 3 practices and 2 healthy carries, the jury is still out at best, I like him, but he has to be on the field to help the team. Watch Lamont Jordan flinch before every hit, and Buckhalter is a retread Eagle, he has never started. McDaniel won’t play Hillis for some reason, I guess because he’s effective.

Improved at wide receiver? Marshall is all but gone, and Mckinley has worse dropsies than Marshall had. Gaffney and Jackson couldn’t get on the field in New England and they are an upgrade? On what planet?

On the Defense, the Secondary are all carrying AARP cards. Brian Dawkins has lost several steps and hurt himself. Goodman has been beaten like a rented mule.

The defensive line is a bad joke, cast-offs that never started for other teams after years in the league. We have two experienced linebackers, all the others are playing the position for the first time. Ayers needs a GPS to find a place to line up—so far he can’t even play dead. Alphonso has done nothing worth mentioning.

The special teams are pitiful. They got a punt blocked last week for goodness sake, and the return men can’t catch cold.

And Orton, let’s see. Moved the team in the intra-squad series, got picked twice.

Moved the team against the 49ers, got picked 3 times.

Moved the team against Seattle got picked once, and should have been picked twice. On his lone TD pass was 2 full seconds past the 35 second clock.

So far what, -5 or -6 in turnover margin, I can’t remember?

More talented and balanced than 2008, maybe….the defense is marginally better (new defensive coach) and the offense is worse. You are looking, optimistically at a 6 and 10 season. If they don’t come out of the blocks at 3 and 1, this is a 3 and 13 team.

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by Bitterrooter on Aug 25, 2009 9:25 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

coulda shoulda didna

If you’re going to play the “shoulda been” game, the Broncos should have had at least 2 INTs and a fumble recovery

by Bustafluff on Aug 25, 2009 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Debby-Downer

Sheesh, I’d wait until the season starts to make an honest evaluation. I’m sure McD isn’t going to reveal his whole offense until the reg. season begins. Let’s calm down a bit!

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by bronco-Maine-iac on Aug 25, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Bitter" is right!

"Mr. President, call in the National Guard! Send as many men as you can spare! Because we are killing the Patriots! They need emergency help!"

by bronco-Maine-iac on Aug 25, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

there’s no way we go 3-13 in the AFC West.

by lolcopter on Aug 25, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya know...

I can’t wait for the Broncos to turn heads this season. It’s not so I can tell people like Bitterrooter “I told you so” as I’m sure they would do to all of us “Kool-Aid” drinkers who are predicting more than 8 wins, its so that people like Bitterroter will just shut the “F” up!

by Broncs55 on Aug 25, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck with that.

BTW: I think that McDaniels has it in him to become a very successful coach. I also like his offensive scheme very much (I would day love, but I’m not sold on his running game).

My concern, this year particularly, is that he does not have the personnel to do what he needs to do. I’m not sold on his management of players, but I believe he’s the real deal when it comes to scheming.

My contention is that you cannot make chicken soup out of chicken feathers. He has very weak or if not weak, inexperienced and if not inexperienced, old defensive personnel. He has an average, at best, quarterback, a rookie running back, and only Gaffney has any real experience with this offensive system.

The schedule is murder, and I’m afraid that when they finally figure out the offense, they will be out of the “easy” part of the schedule and into a schedule that even if they play well it will be hard for them to win. Frankly, I am not sure that 6 and 10 with this schedule will be that bad..

Curse at me all you want, I’ll be back here singing these guy’s praises and admitting I’m wrong if they go 10 and 6, but I don’t think that’s going to happen.

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by Bitterrooter on Aug 25, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love these ST&NO posts, ted

but i don’t agree with your 1a point. this team is worse in a couple places — WR (Marshall looks like he’s not going to try his hardest at best, and at worst won’t even play), LB (Davis and Haggan as starters? really?), and as you said QB, the most important position on the field. We may be a little better on the DL, DBs, and RBs, but I think it’s a wash at best.

We’re starting a nasty schedule in the face…I just don’t see much chance we’re going to be .500, let alone much better than last year.

by thedoctor on Aug 25, 2009 9:39 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

WR depth

I agree with Ted, even if you take Marshall out of the equation. I think we have 4 guys that are starter-quality on this team with him, and some quality depth behind those 4 guys. I think this corps is better than last year, with or without Brandon, but even without him, I’d put it at flat. I’d love to have someone with his style and size on this team, but we’ll be ok if he has to go.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 25, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

give mckinely a break

the kickoff was bad, but he got absolutely rocked on that punt return. anybody could have fumbled

by lolcopter on Aug 25, 2009 9:41 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post as always

Thanks Ted! I enjoyed your post as always.

I was particularly interested to see Ngata getting recognition. I think he’s completely overshadowed by Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, but this guy is incredibly special. I can’t think of anyone else with his size and strength that is as agile, fast, disruptive, and remarkably capable in zone coverage. And remember the Ed Reed pick-six in the playoff game against Miami lasty ear? Ngata had the first key block on Reed’s return, a crushing block on Ted Ginn Jr. I’m pretty sure as great as they are, you’ll never see Casey Hampton or Vince Wilfork do that. This guy can do it all.

I wish we could land a guy like him some day. :)

by noleafclover on Aug 25, 2009 9:45 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

can someone please tell me why...

we passed on Orakpo? I live in Austin and was elated when we were up at #12 and no one had taken him. The guy is a flt out warrior. When commish announced “Moreno” I was flabbergasted.

by TX HOCKEY! on Aug 25, 2009 9:50 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

because he wasn’t a good fit. who knows? get over it.

texas sucks

by lolcopter on Aug 25, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay, austin gets a free pass. but the rest of that state….. whyioutta

by lolcopter on Aug 25, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy copter...

Married a Texas Girl…I LOVE Texas!

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 26, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tex

It was discussed a little bit here. There are probably other posts also. If you are interested further, I would suggest a search in the archives.

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 25, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm from austin too

 and root for the longhorns. But usually only while they’re longhorns not when they enter the NFL. Brown babies them too much and they don’t really have many challenging games. I don’t think they are pushed as hard as they need to be to be ready for the intensity of the NFL.

I also don’t think Orakpo fit our system

i did root for Selvin while he was here, but that was because he was a bronco.

by trumanj on Aug 25, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals comparison

Here’s the difference there: Larry Fitzgerald vs. Brandon Marshall. ’Nuff Said.

by Trogdoor on Aug 25, 2009 9:58 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Marshall seems to me like he is dumber than a sack of rocks.

The drama never ends with the guy.

Sean Smith was my pick at 18 Ted and I believe he will be a great player who may end up at Safety one day.

Great post rec’d

by bfree2bronc on Aug 25, 2009 10:01 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

I always enjoy your insights. You never fail to help me see something I’ve missed or think of something I’d neglected. I agree with your wins/losses prediction for the Broncos, and think you absolutely nailed the reasons why; but I sure would like to see the Marshall matter settled one way or the other by the onset of the regular season. The guy, by his actions and comments, has basically told Rod Smith and others who tried to work with him to ‘shove it,’ and I think it’s time the Head Coach stuck his foot all the way up Brandon’s booty and suspended him for conduct detrimental to the team. Who, at this point in the pre-season, can honestly say they don’t know the playbook yet? I’m not sure anybody ever got over cancer by ignoring it, and believe that Marshall’s continuing negativity can, and will, cost this team one or two games. Seems to me as if the ball is in his court: He can either get his s**t together and be a team-mate, or he can take his tired old act somewhere else …

by 42n81 on Aug 25, 2009 10:29 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good post TedBartlett905

Except for your take on Marshall: “I don’t think he is a bad guy.” He is a great player but this woman beater is most definitely “a bad guy.”

I am pleased Mike Bell is getting another chance. He came out of nowhere (undrafted I believe) and earned the starter position in training camp. The next thing you know Travis Henry comes in and is annointed to be the saving grace or something (probably rightfully so). I never did understand though why Mike never really was given the chance after Henry flamed out.

by warmick on Aug 25, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It took me awhile

but I am definitely with you on this point.

He is a great player but this woman beater is most definitely "a bad guy."

I can’t bring myself to root for him. I find myself not wanting anything to do with him….

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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 26, 2009 12:28 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly where, besides starting QB, is the team less talented now than it was in December?

Less talented at our #1 receiver spot. Equal talent (which ain’t saying much) in our defensive front 7 as last year.

Unfortunately, I think the focus on talent is skipping over the main concerns: a brand new offensive scheme and a brand new defensive scheme. It will take several games, or more, for our equally good/bad talent to internalize the new schemes such that they are second nature to the players. This fact, combined with the timing of our schedule, is why I think our ceiling for wins is around 6 or 7 games. Frankly, I think 7 wins is a dream season.

The first 3 games. Make no mistake. The coach knows what the schedule looks like. He knows his 1st teamers have to be ready to win the first 3 games, or this season will be a nightmare. However, the offense and defense will still be trying to learn the new systems in the first 3 games, when we’re playing our easiest 3 games.We’ll have new guys thinking about their new plays, instead of just reacting. That’s a recipe for a tough first 3 games. Matt Cassell, for example, had been in New England’s system for a couple years, and it still took him a while to get up and running at the beginning of last season. Orton has had just a few months.

Then there’s Brandon. If he comes back this season to contribute, he’ll be more likely to contribute later on than early in the season, since he’s even further behind than the rest of the offense. Ayers is also more likely to still be clueless at the beginning of the season than later on.

Even more than in prior years, we can’t have injuries. We have very little depth. To top it off, the depth we have has received a smaller than normal amount of reps in preseason practices and games. In prior years, when we were not replacing half the team nor replacing the offensive and defensive systems, the preseason could be spent largely on culling the new guys to see who could play and giving them reps to learn the systems. Now our 1st teamers have to get most of the reps, so we can compete in the first 3 games.

I think games 4-8 are losses, unless we are completely healthy and have internalized the new offensive and defensive systems, so that they can play without thinking. This is especially true on defense. The defense has to just be reacting in those games, since our talent level is so low. How likely is it that all these things will happen? Not very.

Games 9, 14 and 16 are possible wins. Both sides of the ball have had time to internalize the new systems. However, if we have injury problems, we are in deep trouble, as described above.

This is why I see 6 wins as our ceiling.

Now for the truly scary news. If we have injury troubles, we could very easily end up competing for one of the worst 2 or 3 records in the league. Combine injuries with poor depth with not many reps in new systems and you have a recipe for disaster.

That said, I’ll be at every game cheering them on.

by Broncos_FTW on Aug 25, 2009 11:32 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

“I think games 4-8 are losses, unless we are completely healthy and have internalized the new offensive and defensive systems, so that they can play without thinking. This is especially true on defense. The defense has to just be reacting in those games, since our talent level is so low. How likely is it that all these things will happen? Not very.”

I respect your opinion and agree with some parts of your post, but have to jump in here. When I hear people say that our talent level is low on our defense this year, I have to wonder if they have payed attention to anything that is going on with this team or if they are just regurtitating what they have read on si.com or heard on NFL Live during the offseason.

If you look at each piece of our defense, we are VASTLY improved in almost every area. I’ll try to keep this short:

D-Line: We got rid of pretty much every player I placed blame on last year on our D-line (Ekuban and Engleberger were the worst) and either brought in a solid veteran backup (with potential) or are relying on our draftees who are coming into their prime to make an impact. Already, I have seen more pressure out of our base 3-4 with one standing linebacker at the line rushing than at any time last year. With the creative blitz packages (of which we haven’t seen the most exotic yet) thrown in, I see us getting to the QB a lot this year. Doom is going to be a monster coming off the edge, he is now playing his natural NFL position, we should expect nothing but good things from him in the pass-rush, we’ll see how he adapts to dropping back in coverage and making open field tackles when asked to that, but I really don’t think he will do that more than a handful of times each game. He was an undersized end in the 4-3, and still excelled in that position. He is going to eat up the blockers he will see this year. The same can be said for Ayers, as soon as he learns his responsibilities and gets a bit more experience. It is entirely plausible that those are the best two OLB’s in a 3-4, not this year and probably not the next, but in the near future, I see those as the two best OLB’s in the NFL.

I am not a huge fan of Andra Davis. I get the feeling that Woodyard is going to step into the starting role sooner rather than later. When we played in that base 3-4 nickel package through the entire drive against the Seahawks that ended the first half, DJ and Woodyard were the MLB’s, and I love those two together. Overall, our LB’s are also VASTLY improved. Woodyard is a starting caliber player, and will only get better. The man has a nose for the ball, and knows what to do when he gets there, there isn’t a whole lot not to like about him. I also believe Larsen can step in and provide above-average play at MLB, he is a flat-out football player. Our depth throughout the LB corps is very good as well.

Again, our secondary is VASTLY improved as a whole. Yes, they are aging and will need to be replaced in the nearish future, but looking at them for this year, I am PUMPED. We have two HOF’ers back there, who else in the league can say that about 2 different players in their secondary? Champ is healthy, and no I am not worried about his performance so far in the preseason, he will be fine if healthy. It baffles me how people can blindly dog Dawkins and his play based on the fact that he is aging, when we haven’t seen him yet. People tried to say he was too old for the Eagles last year, and he was a beast. I think he will be the same for us. Goodman is considered by some to be a top 10 or 15 corner in the league, and I agree, he can play. Hill is a solid starter, not spectacular, but solid. We have 3 rookies with, IMO, a lot of potential.

I don’t see how anyone can really take a look at what we have done in the offseason and not be excited about the direction we are moving in as a defense. We have a lot of talent, and that talent fits our scheme. We also have a very, very good D-Coordinator. The only question remaining, is how long they will take to gel. That is my only worry about the defense this year, how long until they put it all together?

by aLuffabo on Aug 25, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

the secondary is much better. As I pointed out in the post, I’m more concerned about the front 7.

Regardless, the main concern is not the talent, it’s the combination of our schedule and the learning curve for our new offfensive and defensive systems. By the time we know the systems well enough to play without thinking (assuming it happens at all this year), our 3 easy games will be over and we’ll be playing the best teams in the league – teams with better talent and depth who don’t have new systems to learn.

Combine that with the fact that we cannot afford ANY injuries.

Future years may or may not be better, but my post was about this year’s record.

by Broncos_FTW on Aug 25, 2009 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

7-9?

I’m still of the mind that these Broncos will be an 8-8 team, give or take a game. I’ve been discussing this with knowledgeable fans of other teams for some perspective and they’ve really tempered my optimism. I still think the media and stupid fans are far too harsh on our team, but I don’t think they’re playoff bound.

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by ejruiz on Aug 25, 2009 12:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post Ted. Thaks for your insight.

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by broncoholic on Aug 25, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post.

I also took note of Orton’s reaction when Gaffney let the ball go through his hands… Very encouraging! I don’t remember the last QB EVER doing that.

by chopperpilot on Aug 25, 2009 3:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

We were not 8-8 team in 2008

Ted, I enjoy your writing and I share your optimism for our Broncos in 2009. 13-3, baby! But on more realistic note, I disagree with your use of 2008=8-8 as a baseline. We were not an 8-8 team. We were a losing team propped up by a blown ref call or two. Just look for a second at lopsided points scored/allowed record. In my mind, 7-9 is a better baseline for 2009 projections. It would point to something like 9-7 season in this optimist’s view. I expect 7 to 10 wins this year. I know, it is a pretty wide net, yeah.

by si_ice on Aug 25, 2009 7:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

To add to this...

Don’t forget Gramatica’s missed field goals in week 3. Not once, but twice. Remember that Saints game? You might have thought Denver was trying to lose that one. Yeah, they pulled it off, but barely. No kicker in the NFL sucks as badly as Gramatica (either of them). I’d say 6-10 is a more accurate baseline, regardless of what the win-loss column says.

Having said that, I agree with Ted B. that the team is greatly improved across the board (I’d even be as bold to suggest that QB is a push, given the accuracy and intangibles Orton brings that Cutler didn’t). So when I say 8-9 wins, I mean it with a sense of optimism. Also, when you consider the switch to 3-4, it’s not unreasonable to expect the defense to stumble a bit during the transition. Consider this article from Bolts From The Blue back in April (side note: you’d be well-serve to add this to your RSS feed. Great writing over there):

This begs the question, will the switch to the 3-4 defensive scheme do anything for the Chiefs and Broncos this year?

The operative words, of course, being “this year.” To be fair, even the comments on that page suggest that Denver has a fair chance of success with the new system right away. Given the nature of comments on the other AFC West sites, that’s saying a lot.

"I'm a Michigan Wolverine, which means I'm the only one who watches 'Rudy' hoping he pulls a hamstring or pops a quad." - Rich Eisen

by Rob4Braves on Aug 30, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another great STNO, Ted!

Your posts make my Tuesdays sing! I certainly hope that you’re never an MSM hack.. you’re far too well informed.

Rec’d and thanks!

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Aug 25, 2009 10:24 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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