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PRESEASON STOCK WATCH: the 2009 Denver Broncos


Buy, sell, or hold?

That's a trading floor question, but applied to the Denver Broncos after 8 quarters of two publically televised practice games, what do you think?


As a basis for current stock price, I asked myself: "is this unit better than, worse than, or as advertised to the public by the press and the team before the preseason".


As for my opinion...

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The defensive front 3.....Buy (a cautious buy) but considering the low price, the time is right.  Le Kevin Smith was a great get and on the cheap.  He allows for more depth on the ends.  Chris Baker has a lot of potential and I'm curious to see if he'll get in on running downs and move Fields to end, creating a 'big' group of big guys.

The offensive line.....Hold.  This stock is a blue chipper, but I'm not buying more until I see more.  I feel like I've only see them pass block.  As of now they are "as adverstised". The running plays they are running right now are not game level plays.  The running plays I've seen the first team run, for the most part, seem like they are plays to keep the defense honest, not plays to pick up chunks of yardage.  I know this group can block for the running game, but I haven't really seen the goods yet.  On the passing side of the equation, you have to be pleased, they get the job done and give Kyle all the time he needs to progress through his reads.

The wide receivers.....Hold. Until Marshall gets onto the field, I'm holding. This stock is priced high and it's not getting higer...for now. Denver's offense needs to get Marshall on the field.  Marshall, Royal, and Stokley are Denver's three best receievers and if they can mix in Gaffney, they'll have a great corps of guys who can really do most anything asked of them, however, without Marshall on the field, there's something the are missing badly: Size.  Orton can get the ball into tight spots, but his life will be far easier with Marshall on the field drawing coverage away from others and being able to get mismatches where Marshall is simply bigger, faster, and stronger than any corner on the field.  I'm not opining what Denver should do with Marshall's contract, but if Marshall is on the field, this is a BUY all day long.  Royal is fantastic; great routes, fast, and durable.  Stokely is consistent, catches everything, and is reliable.  But Denver needs a big play threat and their biggest one is Brandon Marshall, like it or not. 

The secondary.....Hold.  This is also a nice stock, but I want to see Dawkins on the field. We all know that any corner playing opposite Champ will get picked on, so no surprise that Goodman has 'given up' a few scores, but he was in great position on the first TD against Seattle (I have NO IDEA how he DIDN'T break that play up) and on the second play, it was a fabulous throw and catch from Housh and Hasselbeck.  I haven't really heard Renaldo Hill's name much, but not hearing a name in the secondary is ALWAYS a positive.  It means he hasn't really made any mistakes yet.  We should know more by this time next week, but I'd say that it would be fair to say the secondary looked about how we'd thought they'd look versus Seattle. 

The running backs.....Buy. Knowshon will be back and from the limited camp and practice game action he's gotten that I've seen, I think he looks fast, quick, and strong.  Hillis looks tough and like he's out to make a point this year.  I love that Jordan knows the offense and can help the team out both on the field and in the classroom.  I also think he has a great nose for short yardage situations.  Buckhalter looks good too.  He looks fast and like he can handle anything the coaches throw at him.  You have to love the depth here and unless you're a fantasy drafter, you have to love that as a defensive coordinator, you have no clue who's doing what and where when it comes to the backfield for Denver.

The quarterbacks.....Buy. The price is midrange to low on this stock, so I'm buying more.  Orton will get better and that's why I'm buying.  He just hasn't been "better than advertised", not that he's been worse either.  He'll make stupid throws.  But he'll make strong ones too.  I think that as he digests the playbook, he'll be far better.  Like he said, it's a great offense.  He does look very confident and in control.  He knows what he's doing and he's made some very nice passes.  I like that he plays within the pocket and the system.  I think his pocket clock is good.  He will settle down and pass to spots that look more open than they have so far in a few weeks, but it will take at least a few weeks into the regular season before we see Orton play like most fans want him to play now and that's when buying this stock should pay off.  As far as Simms, I'm happy with him as a backup, but that's it.  He has a nice arm, but he still looks a little rusty and hasn't swallowed half of what Orton has when it comes to the offense, although that may not entirely be his fault.

The linebackers....Hold.  I like the linebackers right now, just not enough to buy more yet.  The linebackers' stock price would be midrange right now, but I want to see a bit more.  I'm a huge fan of Andra Davis' leadership and experience combined with the raw athletic power of DJ Williams.  So far, I think Dumervil looks like he's getting it and progressing how I hoped he would.  Haggans has looked good to and although unspectacular, that can be okay too.  I like (don't love) where Ayers is (I mean, what did you expect?) and expect to see lots of him on passing downs.  I'm not sure Nolan's figured out exactly where Ayers is most dangerous yet.  I really like the depth here too. Davis looks to be a vocal leader and for all of the detractors out there who want to complain about his speed, I bet he could beat Tedy Bruschi in a footrace any day of the week.  I really think Doom is turning the corner, so that gives me confidence in at least 75% of the staring linebackers.

Specialists.....Hold.  Although I don't love the funbles from the return guys, I expect Eddie Royal or Smith to return punts and I expect Smith to return kicks and I trust the starting kickoff and punt teams.  I liked Prater's boot the other night, and he hasn't done anything wrong, yet.  The punters in camp are both strong, but Kern should win out.  As far as the coverage teams, they've only kicked and returned kicks a handful of times each game.  Have you nocticed that our punt team is pretty good at not giving much up?  Denver had zero punt returns against versus the 49ers and the 'Hawks averaged just over 5 yards on 5 punt returns.  Pretty solid work.  The kickoff team has some work to do on catching and controlling the kick, but that's a pretty easy thing to fix in practice.

The coaching staff.....Buy.  They have work to do, but the potential for greatness is there.  Nolan's already done a good job in just a few months time improving the hold and penetration at the point of attack.  The guys seem to be having fun and flying around on defense.  The personnel isn't perfect and won't be for a year or two, but the play has been about all we could have realistically hoped for.  McDaniels is going to win.  Maybe not this year, but he's going to win.  He seems to be way ahead of the defense and for the most part, it seems like Denver's offense if cutting through first team defenses like a hit knife through butter.  I'm impressed.  He will make mistakes.  So will Nolan.  But they will get more things right than wrong and give a little bit of time, I expect Denver to challenge for the division next season. 

Realistically, Denver shouldn't get 10 plus wins this year.  I think 10 wins is their ceiling, but my guess is .500-ish and that's fine.  If coach Shanny and Cutler were still in Denver, I'd still think .500-ish is realistic, so let's hope the team can sneak into the postseason, but realistically, lets look at this team on at LEAST a two year window.  I'm not selling on aything right now, and that's great.  After next week, it may be a different story, but for right this second, I'm buying and holding.

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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Thanks Super7

I like your perspective on the team so far. The only place I’d question at this point is our secondary. There is a lot of potential back there, but they’ve not really shown me anything special so far. Yes I know we haven’t had Dawkins there yet, but, it is my opinion at this particular moment.
I think there is potential to win more than 10 games given the right circumstance in each game. But, would agree 8 to 9 wins is more realistic.

by bchiper on Aug 25, 2009 12:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing particularly stood out to me:
If coach Shanny and Cutler were still in Denver, I’d still think .500-ish is realistic

I couldn’t agree more. If anything, we’d be looking at a 5-11 to 7-9 team were that the case. I think people lose a lot of faith with that’s happening now, but the way our team was being handled, it was just as likely the previous group would have had the same results or worse.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 25, 2009 1:03 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree on Marshall

He makes the team better. What needs to happen is an agreement that will allow Marshall and the Broncos to feel ok about each other again. What that is I don’t know. If we do trade him it has to be for a 1st and 4th rd pick. Or a 1st rd talent player and a pick. I agree with super 7 and he will change how defenses play the Broncos. If we trade him for picks, we would be lucky to get to 8-8 again.

by NJ Broncos on Aug 25, 2009 1:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

shanny and culter

Hard to say that….I think we would be a lock for 9-10 wins. Everything would different. I think our draft day would have focused on fixing the defense and would have traded up to get Raji and or Brace. I think we would have gotten a running back in the late rounds and Hillis would be one of the backs in our running back scheme.

by NJ Broncos on Aug 25, 2009 1:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree things would be different, mainly

the feeling (my opinion) that we were getting worse, not better. Denver is in the game to DEVELOP talent right now for this and the next few years. Denver WAS NOT developing any talent. Denver had guys who were NOT starter caliber players starting at at least 25% of our starting positions. We might be rolling with Tatum Bell still! We might have Barrett starting at safety. We might still have Ekuban and Engelberegar getting loits of reps. YIKES! No way Denver was gonna win 10 games.

by super7 on Aug 25, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

Big +1

"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)

by RockyMtnHigh on Aug 25, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's all "what if"...

But, I don’t have any confidence we’d be better (with Shanahan & JC). Even say we upped to get Raji (an unprecedented move, btw), I don’t feel that the defense would be any better. The team needed a Defensive Makeover: Extreme Edition, and we got it this year. With the status quo, there was no track record of finding appropriate D talent – either through FA or the draft; and I certainly didn’t have any reason to believe that the coaching would improve.

I don’t think it’s fair to say, though, that we weren’t developing talent. The O-line and WR (and QB) were young and developing. The TE was OK, and I wouldn’t have been surprised to see Shanahan draft Moreno too. We were lacking a solid run game, notwithstanding the injuries.

Still, I truly believe that we’ll have a better record this year (by 1-2 wins) than we otherwise would have. And frankly, I’m pretty psyched about that because I think it will only get better.

Nice writeup Super7 – I enjoyed the style, and agree with your substance!

by MakeCents on Aug 25, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would we get Raji?

Was Slowik planning a move to the 34? It’s more likely we’d have taken Orakpo at 12, and then a linebacker in the second round. We might have wound up with Greene in the backfield — as a backup to Selvin Young and Ryan Torain.

by JeffG on Aug 25, 2009 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol - Indeed.

I cited Raji merely as a response to NJ’s post. I didn’t see Raji play the other night, though several said he was ‘dominant’. From all I read – all I’ve got to go on – there were some issues there with work ethic pre-draft, and that alone turned me off.

by MakeCents on Aug 25, 2009 8:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

super7...very creative!

This was fun…rec’d as well

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 25, 2009 1:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Super7, you crack me up.

No selling eh? I would argue that WR is at the peak, SELL! Though that doesn’t mean its bad..it just means its so damned good that its time to profit it on it baby!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Aug 25, 2009 1:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Not yet ZAPPA!

Adding Marshall to that mix makes Denver’s WRs the best in the league. Denver’s WRs are good, everyone thought they’d be good, but with #15, they’ll be better than anyone wants to give Denver credit for.

by super7 on Aug 25, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Marshall comes back....SELL!

Even without Marshall we still have an above average WR core…with Marshall we’re back to unstoppable between the 20’s. ;-)

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Aug 25, 2009 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marshall's true value for this offense...

is in the Red Zone. We will have a tough time scoring through the air with regularity without him.

by super7 on Aug 25, 2009 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Forget

BMarsh was NOT special in the redzone last year. Great between the 20’s, but not in the redzone.

by Endzone on Aug 25, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

then again...

wasn’t our whole offense like that? eh?

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 25, 2009 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way

The fans still got the bird…

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Aug 25, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ah yes.

I remember that day Plummer showed his middle finger.

My mom decided he was bad for the franchise that day. It’s a shame she didn’t stick around to see how that Willie Middlebrooks experiment turned out.

by dr.mort on Aug 26, 2009 1:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

WAS speacial last year...want proof?

WIll be though.

Look at what New England does with Moss. Marshall can run a fade, stop fade, or go get a jump ball and beat most corners in this league if given a chance.

So, Brandon WAS great in the redzone, Jay Cutler and the running game were not though. Brandon scored 6 TDs last year. 5 of the 6 were in the red zone, 1 was not (Saints game). 3 were versus KC, one was a fade from around the 10. One was a bubble screen from around the 10 and the last was a deep slant over the middle from the 13. versus cleveland, he had the late fade pass that he went up and grabbed – same thing, froum about the 10. And versus KC, right in front of my seats, he caught a fade from the 6. That’s 5 redzone receiving TDs.

Not sure how many ill advised throws happened or bad play calls or horrible rushing attempts either, but Brandon got his in the redzone when Denver let him go make a play.

by super7 on Aug 25, 2009 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND

When Brandon caught a TD last year, Denver was 5-1.

by super7 on Aug 25, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon's statline from the redzone last year:

12 receptions
96 yards
8.0 average
5 TDs

by super7 on Aug 25, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

same thing in 2007

BM had 7 TDs in 07
In the redzone:
10 recepts
5 TDs

by super7 on Aug 25, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link

I’m interested where you found that data. I could be very wrong and will apologize if I am.

by Endzone on Aug 26, 2009 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...no prob

Scroll to the bottom of the page. You’ll see stats by down & distance, refer to “OPP 19-1”….

Here’s 2007:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=9705&sYear=2007

Here’s 2008:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=9705&sYear=2008

by super7 on Aug 28, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

no need to apologize...ever...

We’re all after some semblance of truth and reason here, we just get there different ways…no worries EZ

by super7 on Aug 28, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work, super7

I had the pleasure of giving this its first Rec’d, but didn’t hae time at the moment to comment. I don’t have any pithy insights now, either; just a thank you for a very fine article

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Aug 25, 2009 1:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I Forgot

To say that I rec’d your article.

by Endzone on Aug 25, 2009 4:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

great analogy

loved the article

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Aug 25, 2009 4:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe the stock at Nose Tackle has risen sharply up the chart

that the MSM has so vehemently said we ignored. They have done far better than I expected them to. IMHO the will only get better barring any injury.

by bfree2bronc on Aug 25, 2009 7:33 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And that is a BIG plus for us.

Most of us were very worried about finding an NT in Jan-Feb. I really like what we have on defense. The line is unspectacular, but should be good enough. I am just not sold on our LOLB situation. Still, we have several options that may develop at that position.

by Orange Crush II on Aug 26, 2009 4:12 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You gotta love that Nunnely is here too...

I think his in depth coaching is going to be our biggest asset as far as the line is concerned.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 26, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post, Super7

Dude, you nailed it. I agree with you 100%.. As the team grows, in all aspects, success will follow.

I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid.
Major League Baseball is nothing more than a waste of time until football season starts.

by NateinAZ on Aug 26, 2009 5:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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