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The Dude Abides...Curing Your Cutler Obsession, Part 3

(Note:  This is Part 3 in a 3 - Part Series to help you Overcome your Cutler Obsession and get back to Normal Bronco Living.  For Part 1, Click Here.  For Part 2, Click Here.  After Part 3, I will allow Jay Cutler to live in peace.)

 

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"...when things are going good, quarterbacks get way too much of the credit, and when things aren't going good they get way too much of the blame."

--  Kyle Orton, 2009, before beginning his first season as QB with the Denver Broncos

 

 

You might think this post is about Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton.  To a certain extent, it is.  But probably not in the way you think.  And since we are trying to cure you of your Jay Cutler obsession, it's time to bury the hatchet (and not in your assistant's jaw, raider fans).  Time to let go. Jay Cutler will do what he is going to do.

 

And so will Orton.  I wanted to end this series with Orton's, quote, however, because quite simply, the guy gets it.  He knows that Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton are going to have a lot less to do with the success of the Bears and the Broncos than most people think.  He knows how the old story ends.  We've just forgotten since we've been focusing so much on the drama of QBs and WRs.

 

In case you need a plot summary, here you go:

 

  1. Don't turn the ball over, you win.
  2. Win the field position battle, you win.
  3. Dominate Time of Possession, you win.



It's really no more or less complicated than this.  Really, it's not.  But for those who want to add a little more meat to these sentences (not to their women, raider fans), I'll rewrite them.

  1. Don't take stupid risks with the football, especially in the passing game.
  2. Special Teams are a HUGE part of football.
  3. Run the ball down through your opponents until they lose their spleen.  Stop your opponents from running.

 

As many have pointed out, stats can say many different things, but when it comes to the veracity of the above statements (turnovers, field position, and time of possession), the stats are truly revealing. 

 

The 2008 season is a perfect example.  Last year there were 256 games played during the regular season.  That's quite a good sample size.  Of these 256 games:

 

  • 80% ( 206) of the games were won by the team who either tied or won the turnover battle.
  • 68% (174) of the games were won by the team who had a better average starting field position.
  • 68%  (174) of the games were won by the team who won the time of possession battle.


At first, these just seem like percentages, but think about how profound these statistics really are.  8 out of every 10 games were WON by the team who simply did not give the ball away more often than their opponents.  Almost 7 out of every 10 games were won by the team who had better field position and time of possession.


Don't turn the ball over.  Play great special teams.  Run and stop the run....(and don't up for the silver and black, but that's another article).


Another example will suffice.  Since we've picked Mike Shanahan apart already, let's examine the one contemporary of his that actually had a higher winning percentage with virtually the same number of games coached, Bill Cowher (149-90, .632). What made Cowher's teams so successful?  I would argue that Cowher fundamentally understood the importance of running the football, turnovers, field position, and time of possession.


During his 15 year coaching career, Cowher's teams averaged 4th in the league in rushing attempts.  His defenses averaged 7th in run defense.  During these same 15 years, his teams averaged 12th in turnover margin and 6th in Time of Possession. Lastly, his teams averaged 12th in Starting Field Position Differential.  In short, this cat was obsessed with time of possession, turnovers, and field position.  It's little wonder he won almost 2/3 of the games in which he coached.


Don't turn the ball over.  Play great special teams.  Run and stop the run.


The truth, my Bronco friends, is that Jay Cutler was never going to be the reason the Broncos were going to be successful anyway.  Most Bears fans know this too.  And as much as I love the Neckbeard (and I do love me some Neckbeard), I realize that Kyle is just another piece. As long as he contributes to an effective turnover margin (meaning no silly turnovers), the Broncos can focus on what really matters when winning games.


You can't say it enough.


Don't turn the ball over.  Play great special teams.  Run and stop the run.



Which, in the end, brings us back to Josh McDaniels, not Jay Cutler.   McDaniels gets it too.  He gets the relationship between winning and turnovers, special teams, and the run game.  Let me count the ways:

 

  • He drafted Knowshon Moreno and Richard Quinn for a reason.  He wants to establish the run and control the clock.
  • He brought in the 3-4 and Mike Nolan in order to apply pressure defense pressure.  He wants to stop the run, and force turnovers.
  • He drafted and used free agency not simply for starters, he got high quality special teams players (i.e., Reid and Brunton). He wants to win the field position battle.



If he can accomplish one these three, he will be well on his way.  If he gets two out of three, he'll be in the playoffs.  If he gets all three, you can pass the kool-aid (not the reefer, raider fan).  The Culter vs. Orton comparison becomes moot.


As for Mr. Culter, each time he meets the Broncos, I hope he is knocked on his ass. Other than that, he's free to lead the league in any category he pleases.  


Go Broncos!!!  And Yes, Rock the Neckbeard!!!

 



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Stellar. Thanks again lebowski and I hope this one doesn’t turn into a train wreck in the comments.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 26, 2009 8:49 PM MDT reply actions  

CJ

Thanks, man! I am taking a few days off from posting now, for fear of my safety from Chicago fans….or is that Raider Fans?

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

One question?

why do the raiders fans get all the reefer?

by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 26, 2009 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

SWG

Well we have to pin it on them since it’s expected of them. That and a drunken stupor.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Everytime

I see “SWG” I think of Star Wars Galaxies.. anyone else?

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

The past is settled, its only the future now. A new one, for Denver, and for BMarsh. Light'em up Beast!

by USMCWall on Aug 26, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think

“single white girl”
               TBH.

Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!

by grind_core on Aug 27, 2009 12:59 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's not the reefer dude

They keep taking breaks in Napa vineyards, making it an unsafe place to drive through this time of year……

by bchiper on Aug 26, 2009 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

thats hilarious to anyone who spends time in the north bay.

hahhhhahahaha.

i got ya.

"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac

by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 26, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's why they've had some issues with fighting..

too much wine!

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 26, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

chiper

Freakin’ hilarious man…..

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

If we win the turnover battle every game...

and our stats remain true… 12-4 doesn’t sound too bad.

great post… highly rec’d

"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."

by HillisRanUover on Aug 26, 2009 8:58 PM MDT reply actions  

HRU

I think this is accurate. Perhaps there is a fluke here and there with the numbers, but it’s amazing what happens when you just don’t turn the damn ball over. thanks!

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

This one really tied the series together.

I see KO kinda like UPS. Nothing flashy, with their brown unis and all, but their job is simple: Get the package to the recipient in a safe and timely manner.

KO in this case just needs to safely get the ball to KnoMo, Royal, Sheff, Hillis, etc. Nothing more and nothing less. Let the playmakers make the play, and once in a while be a playmaker yourself when the opportunity presents itself.

Kool-Aid Addict & DP Message Board Refugee

by jubei on Aug 26, 2009 9:00 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Jubei

I can’t wait to see some of your posts. Saw some of your stuff over at the DP. You were one of the few thoughtful guys over there. Welcome and I think you have a lot of value to add to MHR.

Please do us all a favor and drop some of that knowledge!

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Many Thanks, Dude!

I’m working up the moxie to throw a fanpost out there. Perhaps something about the TE position in the McD offense. I’ve always liked the versatility of that position, and I have a feeling that McD will make great use of guys like Sheff, DG and Quinn. Not sure if I can do the site justice, but I will do my best!

As for the DP, I make it a rule to only read the articles. The comments just depress me at this point. And since I consider myself a recovering ‘angry fan’, going to the DP boards is truly not a recipe for staying positive.

Keep up the good work!

Kool-Aid Addict & DP Message Board Refugee

by jubei on Aug 26, 2009 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds Good

I’m looking forward to your TE article jubei!

by Endzone on Aug 26, 2009 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

+2

Me too! Bring it on j! Good to have you here!

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Aug 26, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of us wanting to see this post on TE's

Go for it jubei!

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Aug 27, 2009 1:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

"To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." - Steve Prefontaine

by fooballa303 on Aug 27, 2009 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great job Ski

Loved the whole series and this one just tied a nice bow around the package.

by bchiper on Aug 26, 2009 9:20 PM MDT reply actions  

BC

thanks, post 2 seemed to start a world war, I hope this one goes a little better

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

True

 post 2 sure did ruffle a few feathers. You know feathers look real funny on a bear……

by bchiper on Aug 26, 2009 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 27, 2009 1:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

ROFL

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Aug 27, 2009 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great Analysis Dude

Team = Offense, Defense, Special Teams

1.Don’t turn the ball over, you win. – Take the ball away from them.
2.Win the field position battle, you win. – pin them deep, run it back, score points.
3.Dominate Time of Possession, you win. – run the ball, score points and stop them on 3rd down (heck, every down)..

Yours is much simpler, and therefore better! :-)

Great series bo. You really brought it all home! Touchdown! (and the crowd roars)

by Endzone on Aug 26, 2009 9:29 PM MDT reply actions  

EZ

you’re giving me too much credit…I couldn’t have said it better myself….you really need to post some more bro.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was a great 3 part series

Some of the best content since I’ve been visiting the MHR!

by rocko1 on Aug 26, 2009 9:38 PM MDT reply actions  

It seems you were worried earlier...

…but there was no letdown here in the third half! Simple, engaging, entertaining, and to the point.

I’m curious, since you have these numbers close. What is the W-L in games where one team wins all three battles?

by MakeCents on Aug 26, 2009 9:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Great Question!

I’d love to see the breakdown as well!

Kool-Aid Addict & DP Message Board Refugee

by jubei on Aug 26, 2009 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

MC

It took a few days to get the data, as I had to crunch every starting drive each game and average them. I think I can have this number for you later tonight if not tomorrow. Anecdotally, the number is extremely high, well over 90%. I will have this soon. I have the spread, I just need to go through each week’s tab and add them up.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is some crunching indeed - Very cool!

It will be very eye opening to see if it jumps up really high, like > 95%, and also how many teams succeed in doing it at all. You would think leading one area would necessarily favor leading in the others (e.g. + turnovers should improve possession time), but I really don’t have a gut feel there. Again, thanks for the post and the follow-up! Looking forward to it!

by MakeCents on Aug 26, 2009 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

MC

Just finished. Out of the 256 games, one of the teams won all three battles (and when I say won, a tie in the turnover margin is considered a win) 109 times. Of these 109 games, the team that won all three of these categories won 98 of the 109 games. This is 90%. Not well over, but still VERY VERY significant. It does go to show you how important turnovers are.

Here is another interesting stat. If you dominate in these three categories and you also win the overall yardage battle, I only found 2 games of the 256 games in which the team that won all 4 lost the game. One of those games was the Den/NO game. Just how in the hell did Den win that game anyway???

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

MC

I forgot to add that 3 of the games of the 11 that were not won by the team that dominated the 3 categories were:

Den/NO….you saw my comment on this
Den/Clev….another very fortunate game Denver scraped out
SD/KC….chargers recover the onside kick, win the game….if they don’t Den makes the playoffs, Shanny likely stays, and none of these changes occur….insane.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Man, you are a genius and a scholar. I may start calling you Jeffrey Lebowski.

It’s only your real name Duderino.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 27, 2009 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thats EL Duderino,

if you’re not into the whole brevity thing.

by BroncosBassist on Aug 27, 2009 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com

by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 27, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK! Sorry it took me so long to get back, but very nice!

I agree it’s VERY significant , especially given the uncertainty inherent in “any given Sunday” (Hmmm… I wonder if Heisenberg ever tried modeling NFL W-l records?). You may find a few that fall the other way too, but really, if you hit those fundamentals you identified, winning looks to be a virtual lock.

Also interesting that positive net turnovers doesn’t dominate the other factors. It likely brings the other averages up (i.e. turnovers generally would help field position and TOP), so could still be the most significant factor. But you are including neutral turnover games, and ignoring those would (perhaps counterintuitively) mean that those teams with +1 or more turnovers won less than 80%. You still have to play the complete game.

If it’s possible, you might edit the original post to add your extra work there for increased visibility. Again, nice work, and thanks!

by MakeCents on Aug 27, 2009 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have to give props

to anybody dropping names like Heisenberg in reference to the HUP. Well done, sir!

Kool-Aid Addict & DP Message Board Refugee

by jubei on Aug 28, 2009 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well done, dude.

As has been stated already, this one really finished the series off well.

This post reminded me why I am so excited about the direction this team is heading. I feel like Shanahan forgot/didn’t know about these 3 rules to live by over the last 4 or so years. Our offense last year for example, had a lot of flash and not a lot of production where it mattered, points.

Conversely, I feel like there is a lot of young, untapped talent on this team that wasn’t allowed to shine last season. I think the new regime, not only McDaniels but the entire coaching staff he assembled, knows what to do with the talent and has a solid plan to utilize that talent.

Now whether or not that translates into a great season (record wise) next year, I’m partially indifferent. If we end up 8-8 or 6-10 next season but see the kind of improvement and team growth I expect to see, I’m a happy camper.

by aLuffabo on Aug 26, 2009 9:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Al

Excellent points. It seemed as if Shanny viewed the 5, 6, and 7th round for make or break picks, whereas McD look at them and thinks, can I find a guy who will make the roster and add value, even if only on kickoff. Can I find an upgrade.

Certainly a different approaches. I guess the first can yield a T.D., but also a lot of scrap pile picks.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

A fitting end to the Trilogy Dude.

Thanks Bro. Rec’d.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Aug 26, 2009 10:10 PM MDT reply actions  

As always Kaptain

I appreciate

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Dude abides.

Nuff said. ^^ Fantastic stuff, man.

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Aug 26, 2009 10:24 PM MDT reply actions  

montana

gets some posts up there so I can take a break!

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm lazy!!

You should know my M.O. by now! : )

I started one a few months back called In Defense of the Mainstream Media… then lost interest in defending them. ; ) Maybe I’ll dust it off in the next coupla weeks.

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Aug 27, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Shhh...Careful not to wake the children

(whispering) Great finish Dude…Enjoyed it all much…Take the rest of the night off

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 26, 2009 10:29 PM MDT reply actions  

BS

Thanks a ton. I am going to rest up and enjoy your posts for awhile for the rest of the week.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Darn you Lebowski!!

I almost shouldn’t rec you for this article.

This is the free web, and you’re giving every opponent in the league access to a season-winning philosphy!

SHUSH ALREADY!! It’s obvious most of the other teams just don’t get it… so let’s keep it under wraps and take full advantage!

I’m going to rec you, but this needs to be deleted, and FAST! Lol.

It's Orange Crush time. And no I am NOT talking about the soft-drink.
Which I beg the question: "Can liquid really be... soft?"

The past is settled, its only the future now. A new one, for Denver, and for BMarsh. Light'em up Beast!

by USMCWall on Aug 26, 2009 10:41 PM MDT reply actions  

USMC

I’m gonna chill for awhile and read your posts….ha, next week I’ll black out the stats

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I, for one, am not too worried about Oakland

reading LeBow’s posts. He still has the same glasses he had in ‘81, and I’m sure his prescription has changed. I don’t think he reads too much.

Nice efforts all.

by dr.mort on Aug 27, 2009 1:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Air Guitar Repair

Excellent series, though you did not break my Cutler habit. He’s just a super exciting player and anyone who has seen him and Orton play for five minutes knows who’s the better QB. Cutler has the talent to win games for you, while Orton manages games.

But I will say this, Orton is a lot more fun to root for, and probably a better leader to play for.

by BuddyHollysPilot on Aug 26, 2009 11:02 PM MDT reply actions  

BHP

I gave it my best. Thanks for the comments ,however…

Strong men also cry. Strong men also cry.

In seriousness, my secret hope….The Bears get Shanahan next year after going 5-11 and I now have a team in both conferences I can pull for. Of course, after the Broncos get into the playoffs first!

Stay cool and abide…

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 26, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

First post on MHR.

And I could not have picked a better article on which to do so. Nice work.

However, I chime in only to express my own wish for Shanahan: That Wade Phillips finally gets canned in Dallas, allowing Shan the Man to take over – thus replacing Phillips twice in his career, once in each conference.

by Duncan1800 on Aug 27, 2009 1:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Poetic justice?

I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens man. Welcome to MHR!

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Aug 27, 2009 2:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Duncan

I think your scenario could easily unfold. I’m not kidding at all. The question would be, can Shanny work under Jones and will Jones give him the power he wants?

I would put even money on it actually. For a decade I have been looking for an NFC team to pull for and have never found a home for it. If Shanny and Cutler were together, it would make it easier for me.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I gotta say

Lebow…..Duderino if you will……..I don’t think I could handle shanny at another team. I know I am part of a minority, but I came into the football scene, and therefore the Bronco Scene about the same time Shanny was taking the helm. He is the only coach (of course I mean outside of McD) that I have ever known. I think his days of being Bronco Czar are done, but I would give my left……..we’ll say foot to keep it PG….to see him back as Offensive coordinator un McD. Alas he’d never take that step down. Pridefull Bast……ok ok….enough with the language right?

Regardless, for me the whole Cutler thing is over and I loved your series. It really helped…..but as Guru pointed out (only his analogy was about JC) For me Shanny is the ex girlfriend you see at the party with another guy……only difference this time is…..she is still hot, and classy…..she just put on a couple pounds. You see her (shanny) with another guy (team) and all you can think about is holding her (having him coach your team) again.

ok well I’m done with the melodramatic analogies for now. But great post Dude and REC’D

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Aug 27, 2009 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

DB

I totally get this analogy…especially with JC. Shanny I feel a little differently about however, since he didn’t complain during the firing….in fact, the exact opposite. He said Pat Bowlen was the best owner in sports.

And since I have been searching for an NFC teem to follow more closely, I am hoping Shanny chooses the NFC. If he reunites with Cutler, I could follow that team.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well then

I think you do miss my point slightly, I’m often horrible at making my point well……I simply meant that, even though Shanny left quietly…….if he picks it up with another team, it will feel to me like the one that got away. I will always wish that Shanny had just dropped a little control and let Mcd. become maybe an offensive coordinator or something.

Like that GF that only left because you just felt that there was one or two things you would never get over, Shanny will always have a place in my heart…..and I don’t care how that sounds, I’m comfortable enough with myself that I can say that will all truth. I would love to have Shanny back in some form, because I think together, shanny and McD make the all time best coach ever……Maybe thats just me. But I’ll never be able to watch shanny coach another team without feeling a little empty inside.

HAHAHA. now to go drink a coors and get on top of my girl…….(thanks lesnar)

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Aug 27, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

DB

Ha! No worries. I totally get it. If that GF was even remotely hot, you want to hook up with her again…and again. And you will always wonder what it would have been like.

And imagine what happens if Shanny takes another team to the SB? This emptiness will become full rage.

But my urge to have a game to watch during the bye week (so that I don’t have to clean the garage) overrides all of this. You haven’t seen this garage……one needs to ignore it.
 
You are a modern day man, my friend. Half metrosexual, half bad ass.

Just be glad you’re not a raider fan….then you would be 100% freak.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

ROFL

very true….only….I’d say more 30-70 split haha. only to those I trust does the metro show HAHA

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Aug 27, 2009 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

totally awesome conclusion to your series

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by Brian Shrout on Aug 26, 2009 11:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Great series lebowski, thanks

My only comment is that oakland and raiders are usually not capitalized on this site. Other than that small infraction, great work. You rank up with styg and broncobear.,

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Aug 27, 2009 1:52 AM MDT reply actions  

firstfan

I will correct this immediately!!!!!

Putting me in that company is a huge infraction!!! Thanks again!

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I agree with ball control and managing the game. Kyle Orton is know as a game manager, and thats what we need. Jay turned the ball over at the worst times and as we all know, cost some pretty important games. I’m not placing all the blame on him, but having too much confidense and not enough experience can be devestating. Take Trent Dilfer and the Ravens for instance, Dilfer was never a fancy QB, but he did find away to win by getting the ball to the first open guy. He also had the best defense to stop the opponents from scoring " Defense Wins Championships" as the saying goes. Kyle has proven he can move the ball, yes he made a few bad calls, but he does not have a rep for thowing interceptions. Denver has a new system in place and lets face it they needed it. Kyle is surounded by top notch talent and looks like we will have a much better defense this year ( cant wait to see Dawkins on the field). On another note, I am from Fresno, and I have seen Tom Bradstater play countless times. He is smart, big, fast and mobile, and he has a cannon for an arm ( he can throw the length of the field) ive seen him do it. So yes Jay is gone, but i see another Tom Brady like QB starting in the next year or two after he learns the game and the system. he also come from a Pro style Offense under Pat Hill. I think Denver will be a better team this year than what people think, and by next year they should be in the playoffs. Somthing Jay kept us from getting by turning the ball over too much( they should never have benched Plummer after what he did for the team so early. They used him as a scape goat for a bad defense and poor protection up front. Oh well old news now. I look forward to the new era and I am a Broncos fan for better or for worse. Go Bronco’s

by chrisrebeiro on Aug 27, 2009 2:13 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Chris

Thanks for this insight. I was wondering about Bradstater, since the action in the preseason hasn’t got so well for him. Some have speculated for him to even be cut, but I can’t imagine it. Let me ask you a question then. He seemed to throw a few more picks in college than I would have expected. Was that simply him try to make some plays with a broken pocket or his accuracy/footwork? How would you describe them. I would really like to know more about this guy.

Your other post are all sound and in line with where I was going, especially when I looked at every game from last year. Dilfer is the poster child for this.

Lastly, I am still bitter about how Plummer left Denver. I think that guy was just a cool cat. His winning percentage was through the roof. Even when he was replaced, the guy was 7-4 and they were heading to the playoffs.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Brandstater

I wonder if folks aren’t being a bit premature on TB? He didn’t receive any reps in practice, had terrible O line work and had never played at this level before, so it was all new. I don’t see him as NFL ready, but I don’t think that most QBs are. As far as college – he also played under 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years. I’m not surprised that he’d throw some picks – I’m impressed that he completed as many as he did.

During his junior year, he threw 15 TD passes vs. 5 picks. With yet another OC during his senior year he threw 18 TDs and 12 picks. So, overall he threw 33 TD passes and 17 picks over those two years. I’d have to settle for that ratio if he ever starts for us.By the way, I wrote an article on him here that covers some of this stuff, if anyone is interested. His predraft scouting indicates that he needs time and work to season, he needs to build up his body and strength to be successful, but that he’s unusually intelligent, has good football smarts and (In one of today’s least surprises, given the trend) he was a good leader fo his college teams. Folks might be jumping the gun a bit to worry after a single half (less, really) of his first preseason appearance.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Aug 27, 2009 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Cutting TB would be premature to say the least.

As many here have so eloquently pointed out, he was working behind an OL that was entirely made up of backups. That is a scenario that I hope we never have to put any of our QBs thru in the regular season.

As awful as the injury to Simms is, I think that this will give all of us curious Bronco fans a better feel for TB, since he will hopefully get some snaps with the second team offense. (Not sure if that is a certainty with Martin in the mix now). He seems pretty athletic, and it would be nice to get a glimpse of what he can do given more than 1.5 seconds before running for his life.

Besides, he has the same initials as the QB with three rings. Coincidence?

I think not…

Kool-Aid Addict & DP Message Board Refugee

by jubei on Aug 27, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I concur with Chris and Bear (Great article BTW)

I have briefly commented on TB several times on other posts as well…TB has all the tools that McD would love to have in a “project” QB…Chris is correct, he CAN throw the ball the lenghth of the field and has had Pro style/level coaching in Pat Hill…“When” he is able to (under McD’s tutorial) advance his physical skills (1-2 years?) to match his intelegence, he will (IMHO) provide serious competion to the starting QB group…I am looking forward to watching his growth and progress…

by BroncoSense72 on Aug 27, 2009 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Saved the best for last!

Great post, Duder. Uh, but with this:

Run the ball down through your opponents until they lose their spleen.

I think we might need to get you into sensitivity training. Chris Simms might tear up a bit upon reading that! :)

by BroncosBassist on Aug 27, 2009 7:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Are you

kidding me? RAM IT DOWN THEIR THROATS ALL DAY!!! hahahahaha. but yea…..simms might turn a little green reading it HAHAHAH

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Aug 27, 2009 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

BB

Ha! I totally missed that, but you are right! Perhaps I should have said something about breaking every rib.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Dude

Great series – and personally, the series may have come a little late for actually ‘curing’ -as for myself (and I imagine a good deal of others), I have – many a moon ago – reasoned myself out of hoping Jay would be the next Broncos SB winning QB.

I love the humor and most discussion provoked by this series (I’m sure you can imagine why I say most – second part of the series…. Need I say more)!

Gotta throw a BL quote – I’m sorry I wasn’t listening

Could you just post these all again?
( ;
Great reads – and time well spent, I must say. Also I must voice gratitude for your caliber of humor Dude – thanks again!

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 27, 2009 9:36 AM MDT reply actions  

Great series!

You need to keep writing – you do it well. On the matter of those 10% of games lost by the teams that won all three of your key categories – this just helps demonstrate how capricious the game can be occasionally and fans would do well to keep this in mind as well.

Go Broncs!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Aug 27, 2009 10:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Wise words, donkhead.

That’s why I love this game!

Kool-Aid Addict & DP Message Board Refugee

by jubei on Aug 27, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great series, Dude

Well written, well reasoned, and lightly seasoned with wit and humor. Keep it up.

Go Broncos!

by Royal With Cheese on Aug 27, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, hombre. I am going to try.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

great article

You did an awesome job. It’s good to see someone looking at what is important in a football game and having a fun time.

I sure hope we can dominate those 3 or 4 areas you mentioned.

Thanks for the insight.

by DenverStats10 on Aug 27, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions  

D-Stats

Thanks for reading them!

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent Series!

Thank you again for this well written, funny, and very entertaining series. Great job Lebowski!

Don’t take too much time off, I enjoy your posts too much!

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Aug 27, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Enjoyable series, Dude!

This one really tied the room together

"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com

by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 27, 2009 2:04 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, CK

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey Big Guy

You’ve put a big smile on my face with your series. Thanks!

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Aug 27, 2009 4:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Appreciate, Ponderosa

Just trying to abide….

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

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