Offensive Man Zone Scheming
As styg50 asked in his pre-draft running backs article the question is whether we are still a one-cut and go zone-block system? Guaging by the first couple of pre-season games, I have to say I really don't know. I think it's an amoeba wrapped in a mystery cloaked with a pre-season mist.
Ron Turner (running backs coach) is a disciple of Alex Gibbs, the master of the one-cut and go zone block system. Rick Dennison (offensive line coach) is also a product of Alex Gibbs. McD, on the other hand, is a product of the Patriots man blocking system. My guess is that the zone block system will be our dominant running scheme because we have been, at least historically, one of if not the best running team in the league. But we will see a lot of variations, especially the much touted 3-TE sets. We've already seen 4-WR sets (a LOT in fact), so I do not doubt that we will see some incredibly powerful and diverse sets.
More after the jump
What is "zone blocking?" From Wikipedia,Zone running actually has many different variations; an inside zone play or an outside zone play also sometimes wrongly labeled as the stretch (which is in fact a different play). The difference between the three popular zone plays are the aiming point and reads for the ball carrier. While the inside zone has its first landmark around the guards original position, the outside zone aims at the off-tackle area. The stretch usually reads the force defender outside. It should be noted that schemes differ greatly.
Zone blocking originates with blocking the first level (defensive line). There are usually two double teams on every zone blocking play (playside and weakside). From each double team, one of the lineman from each will work onto the next level (linebackers). Depending on the flow of the linebackers, either the drive man (inside blocker of double team) or the post man (outside man of the double team) will leave the double team in order to reach the linebacker. If the linebacker reads over the top of the double team (outside) then the post man leaves the double team in order to block the flowing linebacker. If the linebacker comes inside the double team (underneath), the drive/inside double teamer will pick up the backer. This scheme of the zone creates cut-back lanes, which good runners will know where to find. Cut-back lanes are created due to an overcommitment (flow) by the defense and a seal block on the backside by linemen.
Where most plays are designed to go to a specific hole or gap along the offensive line, a zone run requires the running back to read the blocks in front of him and choose the best crease to enter. In theory this allows the offensive lineman to block the defensive linement in whatever direction is most convenient, assuming a hole will be available somewhere.
When the running back sees (or senses) the hole, he makes one cut and runs downfield. No hesitation, no juking, no jiving. One-cut and go! The odds favor the running back who does not hesitate or try to dance. And the line will often "pull" the entire line or just one guard (kind of like hoosierteacher's writeup on the Ted Block used by the Defense). That ballet of large men is always a sight to behold!
Again, to quote styg50, a running back must be a "...versatile player who can run between the tackles, flare out with good hands for the reception, or block willingly (and well) in the passing game." Just as important, and perhaps even more so, are the offensive linemen. Particularly the center and guards. The tackles play more important roles, imo, in the passing game unless the run is outside the tackles. The TE's also play important roles in blocking schemes and in motion to confuse the defense.
So how is the team doing?
Running Backs
What running backs do we have and what are their strengths?
Knowshon Moreno - quoting styg50, he has "vision, cutback ability, quickness, receiving and ball handling all grade out at the top. He is no slouch as a blocker and knows how to follow blocks, and he is a smart, confident player who has no trouble absorbing and understanding plays. His athleticism is rare, and for every scout or analyst who tells you that Moreno plays too physical for his size, there will be an offensive line coach who pines after a football player." In his limited play this pre-season, I saw tremendous vision, cutback ability, quickness and physicality. Assuming he returns fully healthy and has learned the playbook, he could very well become the face of the franchise.
Peyton Hillis - vision, punishing runner and blocker, knows how to follow blocks, deceptive speed, great hands.
Correll Buckhalter - vision, quickness, decent cutback ability, good hands. I have not seen enough to judge his blocking abilities. He may be still healing since I'm not completely sold on his abilities yet.
LaMont Jordan - big guy, but I've been a bit disappointed in his play so far. Perhaps because he was running with the 2d team and the guards were not opening holes for him. Nonetheless, he seemed to avoid contact.
Marcus Thomas - Still on the roster.
Darius Walker - I wasn't impressed in the first game but thought he did a lot better in the second.
I think we may see a pickup or two from another team during final cuts or even a trade.
Fullbacks
Gee, where do I start? Also, bear in mind that we probably won't see a lot of plays called that use a FB.
Peyton Hillis - I'm guessing he doesn't see a lot of FB work because he is too valuable in other phases of the game.
Spencer Larsen - It could happen ... again! I'd wager he will see a fair amount of FB work.
Russ Hochstein - A definite posibility in the redzone.
Kory Lichtensteiger - he did it last year.
Offensive Line
What about the offensive line?
Ryan Clady - the man is a BEAST! Wow, what a rare find. We are very lucky to have him. His strength is in pass protection and he is still learning the run game. Backup(s) Polumbus is good, Bryant has been struggling (he let Brandstater take a massive sack).
Ben Hamilton - a true veteran and a stalwart of our line. My only concern is that he may be losing a little bit of his steam. Backups: Olsen (not bad for a rookie) & McChesney (still needs some work)
Casey Wiegmann - pro bowler (don't get me started on JC) who stepped in for Nalen and the line didn't miss a beat. Nalen is, in my opinion, a HOF candidate and for Wiegman to step in the way he has says a lot about him. Backups: Lichtensteiger (good versatile player), Schlueter (improving)
Chris Kuper - Very good player. Not as elite as Clady, Wiegman or Ryan, and not as experienced as Hamilton. Backup: Erickson (I have not heard his name mentioned much, so I'm assuming he's not that great)
Ryan Harris - Another outstanding player deserving of elite status in NFL offensive linemen. Backups: Gorin (I'm not sold on him), Oldenberg (wait and see).
What about Russ Hochstein? He's a 9-year pro who has played RG, LG, C, FB and TE. Talk about versatile! I see him playing backup to (1) Kuper, (2) Hamilton, and possibly pushing Lichtensteiger for C. He will also be a load in goal line plays as the FB.
How do we improve from what I have seen so far
* We have run most of our zone plays to the weakside. That implys lack of confidence in the strong side. It may be the reason we brought in Hochstein.
* We have not opened good running lanes, especially with the reserves. That implies lack of depth. It could only be a matter of coaching coupled with strength and conditioning.
* Flare routes have been effective. Our running backs have good hands and the tackles and TE's are containing their positions.
* Orton (and Simms) need to do a better job of disguising handoffs. Our RB's have been killed a couple of times because the opponents could see what was happening way too clearly. Maybe they should take sleight of hand lessons from a major magician?
* The TE's seem to be contributing nicely to the running game. WR's need a little more work on their part of the running game (then again, most WR's do! :-) BTW, one thing I will miss with Brandon Marshall is that he is a very good blocker in the running game.
That's my two cents. I am not a coach nor do I consider myself a football scholar. I can only ask for your comments so we can better understand this running game aspect together.
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Clady and Pull blocking
Apparantly, the Colorado springs gazette quoted K.C. Joyner “the sports scientist” as saying that Clady is the only offensive lineman to Grade out 100% while pull blocking in the run game. That’s perfect fellas, and most of the MSM question his run blocking ability?
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by Welcome2Boise on Aug 27, 2009 1:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Scary
To me, he is the master in pass protection. But that he is still learning the run is scary because he is already so good. Was it a clip he was called for last week?
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 1:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Unfortunately it was, that was also a good call. One thing I was worried about last week however was Clady’s cut blocks. They were ultimately successful, that is they kept the defender away from the ball carrier, but he failed to bring down the defender or flat out whiffed him a couple of times. Other than those two issues, he still looks fantastic.
It is said that ducks crash and die on the blue turf.
by Welcome2Boise on Aug 27, 2009 1:52 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I think Clady demonstrated last year that he’s a phenomenal pass blocker and while pretty good at run blocking as well, he had some work to do to bring that side of his game on par. If these guys can stay healthy and keep playing together, I think the “gelled” product could be something truly extraordinary. Go Broncs!
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by Donkhead on Aug 27, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome2Boise
I am guessing by your name and some of your comments that you are a big fan of Clady, as am I. I am particularly pleased that you have noticed some of the less than stellar plays Ryan has had this preseason. Don’t get me wrong, even when Clady is not at his best he is still better than most OT in the game, but i fear we may have a little sophomoritis. I hope not. Great comment. Rec’d.
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by firstfan on Aug 27, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
that the one cut and go doesn’t have the same feel. We did pick up 4 backs from very specific systems (Jordan > NE rotation, Buck > Philly’s WC, Knowshon > just hand the ball off to me and I’ll fix it, and DWalker > hanging out with his cousin).
I don’t think the running game will really make itself known until the regular season either.
by dr.mort on Aug 27, 2009 1:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Knowshon
I saw the one-cut zone blocking when Knowshon was in. And agreed…we will see a lot of the run game in the regular season. McD is getting the pass plays benchmarked in preseason. See the “shot put” play on 4th down in Seattle.
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 1:45 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't wanna
See the "shot put" play on 4th down in Seattle.
And you can’t make me!
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by Welcome2Boise on Aug 27, 2009 1:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, the amoeba
I think you just alluded to something profound, Endzone. McDaniels doesn’t seem to be above modifying his offense to fit the weapons at hand — down to calling different line blocking schemes for different backs. Maybe what we witnessed was the offense going to the good ol’ ZBS because Knowshon fits that scheme so well, while some of the other backs were running behind man blocking schemes. Versatility is the preached word! The OL seem to need to be able to do either well.
by BroncosBassist on Aug 27, 2009 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are really on to something
We will also see Hillis in a ZB one cut situation.
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by firstfan on Aug 27, 2009 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice writeup
but a clarification since the Wikipedia article leaves a lot to be desired. There are usually no double teams in a zone blocking scheme because there usually no fixed assignments. The line blocks according to rules. A common rule might be to combo block playside. This means that any blocker not covered by a defender would combo block with the next lineman toward the play. In a combo block both linemen engage one defensive lineman then, based on the defender’s reaction, one will disengage and move up to the second level.
All running schemes require the runner to read their blocks and choose their whole. In man blocking systems the designation of a whole establishes the blocking assignments but the Rb is still expected to “run to daylight.”
What i think I’ve seen is a combination of ZB on the backside combined with traditional man blocking on the frontside of the play.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 27, 2009 8:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks SWG
The Wikipedia info is admittedly very limited and was intended to be only an introduction for further discussion. The Broncos have one of the most sophisticated systems in the NFL. I’m glad you said “What I think I’ve seen…” because I too am not really sure what we’re seeing yet. We probably won’t until the regular season and I believe it will change based on that week’s opponent.
My current concern, however, is how we are doing overall. I am far from worried. The lack of preseason running plays so far leave a lot to be desired for analysis purposes. The ones I have seen have me a tad bit anxious on 1st string strongside runs and the reserves are not doing well on either side.
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see it exactly the opposite.
to me, the lack of running plays in preseason tells me that McD and company don’t feel like they need to see their running game in action. They must be pretty confident in it.
Also, I think we may be using some zone-read stuff and I don’t think they want to show their hand just yet.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 27, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Opposite?
SWG, I’m not sure what you’re saying. Was it the “analysis purposes” statement? I was intending to say that we as fans don’t have a lot to analyze, not that the coaches don’t. It could very well be that the coaches are confident that our running game is good.
What do you mean by “zone-read”? I appreciate your knowledge on this!
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a neat article I stumbled on about zone blocking.
The author is one of my favorites too. Read here. It may help to fill in any holes from the Wikipedia article.
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by Steve Nichols on Aug 28, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Yes indeedy. One of my favorite authors too!
by Endzone on Aug 28, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
: )
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by Steve Nichols on Aug 28, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL!
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by KaptainKirk on Aug 28, 2009 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting take
Seems interesting and maybe a bit confusing to have 2 different blocking schemes going on at a time. Were you meaning on the same play? If so, I wonder what the Center does in those situations. I wish I had some good film of a few running plays so I could watch the line play.
by BroncosBassist on Aug 27, 2009 8:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The core elements of ZB, the t-step and the slide-step, are used by man teams as well, just not as much. Also, every team uses combo blocks and cut blocks, just not as much as the Broncos.
All a hybrid blocking scheme does is alter the assignment of individual lineman. A given lineman isn’t trying to do multiple schemes on one play. Run-and-shoot and spread teams have been doing this for two decades.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 27, 2009 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spread Teams
Isn’t NE a spread team historically?
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
Under Charlie Weiss the team was closer to a BYU type passing offense. When McD took over he gradually brought in more spread concepts and by 2007 they were using the shotgun spread extensively.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 27, 2009 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like most of the rest of us
I’m not entirely sure what I am looking at all the time, but in training camp I did not see a play where the O Line used Zone on one side and Drive or Man on the other. It is pretty obvious when we go to a ZB and the “dancing bears” slide step and essentially set up a wall. It is equally obvious when we fire off the line and attack a specific defender.
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by firstfan on Aug 27, 2009 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked to me
like we pulled a guard a few times and left the C & T to zone the back side. In RnS this used to be called picking up the trash.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 27, 2009 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
EZ
You didn’t disappoint, my friend. Rec’d.
I think you’re last point about Marshall is on target. I for one, have not been giving him much credit for this during his soap opera.
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by TJ Johnson on Aug 27, 2009 9:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kuper is highly underrated
I think he’s a lot better than you’re giving him credit for.
by CoastalBronco on Aug 27, 2009 9:48 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
In my humble opinion
Kuper and Clady are the two who can provide the muscle for man blocking as well as the feet for Zone Blocking. Casey and Ben do a great job of what I call setting up the wall for a Zone Block play. They have great feet and gain position on the defender and are accountable for their “Zone”. Harris is strong and agile and can move very well and generally gets into position for the zone Block but his real strength is his strength. It is Kuper and Clady who do both so very well that makes the O Line click. I am also much more comfortable with our depth. Polumbus and K-Lich are developing well, IMO.
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by firstfan on Aug 27, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sleight of hand lessons from a major magician - LoL
As I read that, an image of David Blaine at Broncos training jumped into my head.
Great post Ez! Great read, nice information and rec’d!
The only disagreement/doubt I have is about Knowshon… For only having three carries, and against SF, it’s hard to really deduce capability from… I got the same hopes, just didn’t get the same comfort in those three, especially him get hurt on his second attempt. But I digress, excellent read!
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 27, 2009 9:57 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
he got hurt
because he probably wasn’t up to “game speed.” He is signed and this is preseason, fortunately. I have had the same feeling since I watched Goodell announce his name with our pick. This kid is the next great young RB in the NFL. Go ahead and put him up there with AP, Turner, Deangelo, Chris Johnson etc. By the end of this season EVERYONE will know who #27 is.
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by grind_core on Aug 27, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Most players will get hurt in games if they have not been in camp. The kid looked awesome on those three plays and in college. He seems smart and personable. Fortunately the last I heard was that the injury was a mild knee sprain that should only take one to two weeks to heal and he should be ready for Cincinnati. I hope he is not pressed into the game too quickly and that he has time to get into football shape first.
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
That was the run that stood out the most to me, was the third attempt, after he was injured – I just hope he gets the opportunities and procures success with them when he does and gc is totally right – people will be like Adrian who? Ladanian who?
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 27, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Running Weakside
one thing I wanted to clarify. Most of the best running teams actually run weakside quite a bit. With TD we ran WS frequently, SD ran WS with LDT all the time, Shawn Alxander gained most of his yardage WS. There a two very sound reasons for this. Usually the better tackle plays WS and often the better guard as well. Also the TE forces the D to shift strong side to account for greater numbers. Hence is it often easier to gain yardage running weakside.
But an even better reason for running weakside is the options it gives you for play action. When you play action to the weak side you make it difficult for the defense to roll the coverage strongside. That either leaves gaps in the coverage or puts them in man to man on the side where you have the most receivers.
Either the saf and LBs stay at home, reducing pursuit to the weakside, or you punish them with PA to the strong side.
by SlowWhiteGuy on Aug 27, 2009 11:11 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Should We Be Concerned?
SWG, do you think our guards are doing their jobs OK? One issue I raised was that I saw the line not opening good running lanes. Am I right?
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me
as if we move our TE to either side at will. When we do Drive Block (as in short yardage) we tend to go to the right side behind Kuper and Harris. I am anxious to see what happens in the regular season.
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by firstfan on Aug 27, 2009 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't LaMont Jordan line up at wide receiver in both pre-season games?
I believe it worked both times and I think you may have hit on something concerning Jordan. He has been running with the second time and they haven’t blocked well for him, once he gets on the 1st team he should do a lot better.
This running scheme that McDaniels and company brings to the table could very well be the best in the league IMO.
by bfree2bronc on Aug 27, 2009 11:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If Memory Serves
Yes, I think he did. We were doing really good work outside the tackles. I’d like to see more WR and TE run support in those situations, but still think the team is doing great in those plays. I thought the line (esp guards on weakside) were doing good in those outside the tackle plays also in getting to the linebackers.
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Shot Put Play
Incidentally, not entirely relevant to our running game (the subject of this article) but our strongside Oline collapsed on the “shot put” play. Three of our Oline guys against ONE of the Seahawks! Not a good sign. I could care less about Orton’s decision or the coach’s playcalling at this point. But it does worry me that the strongside Oline collapsed.
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 11:33 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
good write up
thanks
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by BShrout on Aug 27, 2009 1:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Very good job.
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by Trinidad Jack on Aug 27, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In no other area of the game is cohesion among players so essential.
By this I mean the offensive line. They absolutely must work as a unit to be effective. It is why they often lag behind the defense early in the year. We talk in MHR about instinctive play that doesn’t require active thinking and this shows when an O-line knows what each member will do given the situation. They can react knowing their teammate will fulfill his responsibilty so it all appears seamless. They really act as one flowing into the defense, creating holes or creating an effective protective pocket for the QB. Watching Clady pull on a screen or wide run is absolutely amazing to see for a man of his size. What incredible balance and nimble feet!
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by Ponderosa on Aug 27, 2009 3:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Yes But
How do you think we’re doing and how can we improve? Is the answer that it’s preseason and early in the year and therefore things will improve? I agree.
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I'm looking at it.
Preseason is the time to make mistakes. It’s not only OK to make mistakes, it is to be encouraged! Now what the heck do I mean by this? We are learning new systems and an entirely new playbook with new terminology. We need to make mistakes in order to improve and correct what we haven’t learned. We must throw caution out and be intrepid and even a bit reckless so that we can harness in later and make it all gel together. I don’t mind mistakes in preseason. Go ahead and throw the shot put interception — it’s preseason.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Aug 27, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was funny is when they showed McDaniels' reaction to the ill-used timeout
on the Stokley missed first down instead of the ill-fated pass after the illfated pass. I tell you they hate us and things will never be the same until we show some of these teams some rightly needed disrespect.
by bfree2bronc on Aug 27, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
Were you respoding to the “shot put” post? Sorry, my bad. I thought you were responding to the overall theme of the post which is asking where we are and how we can improve.
by Endzone on Aug 27, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The latter.
We are still in preseason where perfection is a goal to aspire to. I think we get there by being free to make mistakes, concentrating on having fun, correcting fundamentals which through repetition and effort lead to cohesiveness. The shot put was just my example of being unafraid to make mistakes in preseason.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
by Ponderosa on Aug 27, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
At some point, the only way to improve (in anything) is to just do it, make mistakes, and learn. If you spend your time afraid of making a mistake, not only will you NOT succeed, you won’t have anything to build off of.
I know. I’ve been there.
Preseason is the time to go out and see what happens. Make mistakes, but go back and adjust. Learn. Be ready to execute when the games actually matter.
I’m starting to rambling again. Short story: I agree! :o)
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by Disco_Stu on Aug 27, 2009 9:21 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good work Endzone!
Some quick thoughts…
1. I would give Kuper a little more love (another poster mentioned that too).
2. I think we will run the zone more during the regular season. The specific plays (for the line) being run in gap blocking (the opposite of zone blocking), are new to our guys, and need to be practiced. While all zone teams run some gap blocks, there are many different plays (again, specific to the OL), that our OL will need to learn. I expect the zone to become more prominant during the regular season.
3. Some of our new runners need to adjust to the “one cut” approach. I’ve seen a little too much juking going on, and the gains will improve when that stops (in my opinion).
Great read, and rec’d!
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by Steve Nichols on Aug 28, 2009 3:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
It’s always nice to get a rec from you, HT!
On Kuper, would you rank him as an elite player in the same level as Clady, Wiegman & Harris? I think I may have not given him as much love because our strongside runs have not had good lanes. Don’t misunderstand me. I think he is very very good.
by Endzone on Aug 28, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I wouldn’t rate him as elite. Clady, Wiegmann, and Harris ARE elite by any standard. But Kuper on his own is better than most, and that’s more than one can ask for with any player. Some players are “just” good. I think Kuper is very good.
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by Steve Nichols on Aug 28, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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