Brandon Marshall suspended by Broncos for the remainder of Preseason
by John Bena on Aug 28, 2009 9:59 AM MDT
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PrintWe talked at length last night on MHR Radio, as well as during the 'Damage Control' interview with Trey Wingo that Brandon Marshall had crossed the line and would likely be disciplined by the Broncos. We were right. The team released this 15-word press release earlier today -
The Denver Broncos have suspended wide receiver Brandon Marshall for conduct detrimental to the club.
15 words have never said so much or spoken so loudly.
The self-destruction of Brandon Marshall, for now, has hit an all-time low.
UPDATE - The suspension will last for the remainder of the Preseason, per Adam Schefter. Video after the jump...
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Disappointing
I really thought he was well positioned to prove his value this year. Now he has a whole ‘nother set of low expectations to overcome. Grow up and be a man, B. I’m beggin’ ya.
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is there a way to put him on the IR for the year? something like “extreme mental anguish”? maybe “inability to behave in a rational, coherent, logical manner”? “chronic idiocy”?
by attackparrot on Aug 28, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
One detail I heard...
…that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is that — reportedly — the team wasn’t aware of just how badly Marshall was behaving, and that it wasn’t until the video began spreading around the internet that they knew the extent of Marshall’s recalcitrance.
If this is the case, it suggests that either the Broncos were hoping to handle this internally without a suspension, or that the receivers coach needs to communicate better with the rest of the coaching staff.
I'd bet
that if the latter is an issue, McDaniels is having a friendly chat with that coach right now.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
but I’d also bet that your initial guess is also correct — McDaniels may have been informed but hoping to keep things internal. Clearly seems to be a hallmark of his.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Keeping things internal...
…appears to be McD’s standard MO. Which is fine as long as everything stays that way. Now that the cat is well and truly out of the bag as to B-Marsh and his apparent mental age, it’s gonna be hard to pack things up again.
I think that they were just covering their bases...
They knew BMarsh was acting like a fool, but needed sufficient grounds to suspend him. Building their case so to speak.
Yeah
the NFLPA will be getting involved in this.
What leg could they have to stand on, though?
Who could argue Marshall doesn’t deserve this? Rationally, anyway?
by Gristle McThornbody on Aug 28, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I think that's the point
Had it been done earlier, they might have a case against the suspension. But now? No chance. The NFLPA will look into it as a matter of routine, but I really don’t think there’s anything that can be done.
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
I'd be happy to see them investigate.
It is their job to look after player interests, after all. And I have no doubt the Broncos will do everything in their power to cooperate.
Then I wouldn’t be surprised to see them both leave Marshall to swing in the wind, based on the fact that his own conduct has put him where he is now.
whats the sourse
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
On the other hand...
Maybe Brandon was being truthful in that he was fixing his pants walking during that one warm-up iteration. Maybe he caught several balls in the passing drill and just knocked that one down. Maybe he really wasn’t being disruptive and his only act of poor judgment was punting the ball away from the ball boy. Maybe he did really have a good practice, where he went through on the field the plays he’s been diligently studying for the last week…
No… I don’t believe it either.
I will believe that when me feces turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert
I cleaned it up for everyonoe.
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Aug 28, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Love that movie
Meow scene makes me laugh until I cry every time
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 28, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
It looks to me like McD is GIVING an education.
He is teaching with love and logic. Never reward poor judgement, never bargain with petulant people. Always give troublemakers two options, one good and one bad; play for the team and prove you are worthy of what you want, or defy the team and be prepared to be punished with an ever heavier hand. You will eventually get to the point where the person can no longer tolerate the punishments. Suspension is simply another rung on McD’s punishment ladder. The next suspension will most likely be Marshall’s breaking point, as he will start losing money. I see this as the final warning.
If and when Marshall decides to get on the same page as the team, they will welcome him back with open arms, because they love him as a player, they simply can’t accept the behavior he displays when he is upset.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
this was supposed to post down below
pls ignore
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
Having watched BMarsh behave in a similar manner during several camp practices, I assure you that everyone in the organization knew how poor his attitude and behavior had become. I think that these videos going public just forced them into some kind of action.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Aug 28, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions
are you serious...
there are actually people here that disagree with this suspention! Have you seen that video? One of you might be BMarsh… but the rest…. please.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
Might be a couple of family members or former girl friends.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 28, 2009 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think he gets much support from former girl friends
by Royal With Cheese on Aug 28, 2009 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Me either, but you never know. It's a crazy world out there.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 28, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Agreed - To those who said NO
What is your rationale for not suspending him?
lol Now that was funny.
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Aug 28, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
Error in judgment.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Good one.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 28, 2009 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I was about to agree.
It would be nice to merge all these threads. But then I realized that would create one impossibly long thread.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 28, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe we need to just setup a new site
BrandonMarshallReport.com – so the rest of us can get on with our lives.
LOL!
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 28, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions
All I can say is… im SICK of it… As much as I like his play on the field, im SICK of it. I dont want Brandon Marshall ruling the headlines each day….. Added to the list of Favre news and Vick news, im now sick of BM news too… hope we wont hear from him for a couple of days now he is suspended.
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
That's what coronadO was suggesting in his thread. See it over there --->
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 28, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
this could trigger it
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 29, 2009 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
suspension
i’m all for the suspension, hope it lasts for the full year. then place the franchise tag on him for next year and suspend him again.
What bothers me . . .
Is that BMarsh thinks he can get away with this! Didn’t he see what the Eagles did to TO? I honestly think that is the ONLY course the Broncos have for him now. HIs trade value is completely worthless at this point. Penalize him where it hurts . . . suspend him and his paycheck.
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
ESPN reporting that the suspension is for the preseason
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4428598
No word (that I’m seeing) in regards to the regular season…
Still...
this will go down on his permanent record…
From Porkchop (i know, i know)
ESPNs Adam Schefter reported earlier Friday morning that Marshall has been suspended by the team for the rest of the preseason and that he could be reinstated in time for the Sept.13 season opener if he behavior improves.
by Royal With Cheese on Aug 28, 2009 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
no practice, no playbook, what exactly would he do?
The Bates/Cutler playbook … run far/push people over/catch (or drop) ball
broncorat
From real life long ago.
Our parents used to acare us long ago with tales about how the bad things we did in school might go into our permanent records.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 28, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
"scare", sorry
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Aug 28, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Nope. Marshall will be going home
From what I remember about the T.O. suspension in Phi is that he could not be at the facility, attend meetings, etc.
Roster Spot
Does a suspended player count towards the roster?
by DieselDan on Aug 28, 2009 9:21 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Good question.
Can someone answer it? My gut feel is that, yes, he does still take up a roster spot. Sort of a penalty for signing a problem child? :)
by BroncosBassist on Aug 28, 2009 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
No
He will not count on the Roster. Please read my post on Roster Rules.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
third option
the poll should have a third option for “this suspension is good, but too short”
by bushwah on Aug 28, 2009 9:24 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't doubt he'll get a longer suspension.
the NFLPA will get involved, but the fact is this guy can’t defend his case anymore. Not when he got caught in the act.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
At least we have something now
I was gettting pretty tired of hearing about this, it is a very disapointing saga. At least we now have something that is happening and I would think that this will be the first step to resolving this issue one way or another.
I would assume that McDaniels at least had a hand in this, and I might be alone, but its nice to see the coach sending a message to the team that no one is forced to be here. But if you signed the contract, you will be. Now, lets go play some damn football!!
There is no charge for awesomeness, or attractiveness!!
Look on the bright side guys...
you’re now in a prime position to replace Orton with Tebow.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
That makes no sense.
Tebow is a gimmick quarterback. Oh, and we have a good quarterback now. Thanks though.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
Orton and Ingle Martin are good QB's?
Martin got cut in favor of Brodie effing Croyle.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
Don't start...
We’ll see the numbers at the end of the year – your $60 million QB and our $895K QB….
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True, you may get more yards/$
I think its time to give Jake the Snake a call.
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
Looking to improve on his impressive rookie campagin.
Comparing his rookie year to that of other DT’s, I like what we have. We’ll see if he make the switch to the 3-4.
Dorsey-
39 tackles – 1 sack
Albert Haynesworth-
30 tacklets – 1 sack
Kevin Williams-
51 tackles – 10.5 sacks
Jamal Willimiams (second season, 1st full season)-
26 tackles – 1 sack
Shaun Rogers-
81 tackles – 3 sacks
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains, landlocked loungin' in the City of Fountains.
by HIV 2 Elway on Aug 28, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
As someone
who lost a good friend to HIV, I find your handle beyond despicable. It’s fine if you want to come in and have a reasonable conversation about the Chiefs and so on (though I’d imagine your friends on the Chiefs blog wouldn’t take too kindly to smack talk in reverse over there), but I cannot even get past your handle. Please don’t tell me I should get a sense of humor. I have a great one, but the handle is beneath contempt. Think about changing it so people can take your comments seriously.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Aug 28, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 16 recs
Martin's camp fodder
Nothing more. And we’ll just see on Orton, won’t we.
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 28, 2009 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Tebow will end up like Crouch . . . a Heisman trophy winner that doesn't fit into the NFL.
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
You'll note...
…that Tebow’s taking some easy money while he still can, with the GQ shoot and all. He’s fun to watch, but I don’t think his current style translates into any NFL offense that I’m aware of.
Then again, the SEC doesn’t often remind me of real football anyway, so maybe it’s not just him.
HIV 2 Elway?!?!?!
Why do you want to give the Human Immunodeficiency Virus to Elway? What kinda fan do you think you are?
by cuseindahuse on Aug 28, 2009 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
A chefs fan, that's what
trolling the site
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 28, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
What I meant ofcourse was 'HIV to Elway'
Not you. Thanks for the tip.
by cuseindahuse on Aug 28, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Ignore the trolls
was good advice. we should all heed it. otherwise this board may need some moderation soon…
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
Did you really
come into this forum with that Screen name? I mean seriously thats not cool….unless I totally mis-understand it…..is there a meaning that is not grossly offensive to that name?
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
I always hate it Chiefs fans talk smack...
…against the Broncos because if you really think about it, Chiefs fans should be able to recognize disaster faster than anybody. They are like Einstien…if you just change the ‘relativity’ thing to ‘losing’.
I’d be a troll, too, if the last Broncos deep playoff run happened before they invented the forge.
by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 28, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey Mr. Chef fan.
Bro. You can hate on Elway and the Broncos all you want. Doesn’t affect us in the least.
But please know that many our our most beloved sports memories are the ones in which Elway won TWO Super Bowls to cap his Hall of Fame Career. Super Bowl MVP in his last football game. Unfortunately for you Mr. Chef fan, you will never ever be able to take those memories away from Bronco fans or Elway. We had a happy ending to that story book and I bet it just made you miserable. You were probably one of those 500 Chef fans that had to go into counseling after Denver beat KC 14-10 in the AFC playoffs on our way to glory.
So as you enjoy another 2-14 Chef campaign (with all your 2008 draft BUSTS + soon to BUST Tyson Jackson) and thinking back to the good ole days of 1997 when KC was a playoff team that Denver beat in Arrowhead on the way to our 1st Super Bowl.
You can use all the silly names you want, but in the words of Johnny Lawrence “your karate’s a joke Larusso”.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Seriously
Only 500 needed counseling? I heard it was a lot more and some are still getting it.
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 29, 2009 7:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I'll always remember...
…that they had to BUY Joe Montana for a shot at glory. We got John Elway willingly for his entire career, and he delivered. Twice, as I recall.
When did the Chiefs last make a Super Bowl again – oh yeah, during the last days of the AFL.
Hey, “HIV” guy: Let us know when you manage to win a championship during the current era, mm-kay?
Ugh
The problem is that no good comes out of this situation now. His trade value is in the toilet, the team is taking up a roster spot with a petulant child that won’t play, they won’t rework his contract now, … The only good that can come out of it is if it continues to spiral out of control, causing the Broncos to waive the turd. Someone else might pick him up and allow him to prove his worth again.
By the way, I do agree with the suspension. They are limited in how long they can suspend him, and for what due to the union, but I’m sure they can defend this suspension pretty easily.
Kinda Agree BB
I think the good could come from BM himself…If and only IF he were to actually decide that he better get his act together and do the right thing(s)
by BroncoSense72 on Aug 28, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Actually if he is suspended
We do not lose a roster spot as I understand it.
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 29, 2009 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Is the a MUP designation?
Mentally Unable to Perform
by Cletus on Aug 28, 2009 9:34 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Coach
is getting quite an education this year, isn’t he? It’s one thing to be around football your entire life under some brilliant mentors. It’s quite another when you are the guy who has to face these decisions. If he can field a good football team and win some games, I think the adversity he has faced this year will only help us in the long run. Guy has to be getting a pretty thick skin now that he’s had to deal with so much crisis management.
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It looks to me like McD is GIVING an education.
He is teaching with love and logic. Never reward poor judgement, never bargain with petulant people. Always give troublemakers two options, one good and one bad; play for the team and prove you are worthy of what you want, or defy the team and be prepared to be punished with an ever heavier hand. You will eventually get to the point where the person can no longer tolerate the punishments. Suspension is simply another rung on McD’s punishment ladder. The next suspension will most likely be Marshall’s breaking point, as he will start losing money. I see this as the final warning.
If and when Marshall decides to get on the same page as the team, they will welcome him back with open arms, because they love him as a player, they simply can’t accept the behavior he displays when he is upset.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Aug 28, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
McDaniels has had thick skin since high school.
Blowing the kick that lost the 100th meeting with his rival school and coming back to win their next meeting….. you need to have your head on staight to do that.
I don’t think pressure affects this guy much.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
I wonder if he'll be doing pushups in his driveway
He’s just proving over and over why the Broncos were smart to NOT give him a long-term contract.
Is this guy even capable of making just one GOOD decision?
I'll tell you this
I’m not really interested in whether or not we give him another chance to make a good decision anytime soon. Seems to me, we’ve given him plenty.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Agreed. I wouldn’t be against him having one more bridge to burn IF (and a big 80 point font IF) the FO decides to give him one.
But, if he’s burnt his last bridge, I’m completely fine with never seeing this joke of a player in a Broncos uniform again. In fact, after his recent stunts, it will be hard for me to see him take the field as a Bronco, I’d have very mixed emotions.
He’s disgraced the fans, the orginization, the staff, and his teammates. He does not deserve the honor of wearing the Horse on his helmet.
by powderaddict on Aug 28, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just can't believe that this has been his reaction
when the Broncos have done nothing but show patience and support for him for the last few years. What happened to following the rings, Brandon? You tune out advice from Rod Smith, I tune you out. Period.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
word!
"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com
by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 28, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
and refering to his boss, Mr. Pat Bowlen as "ownership"
how not to win fans and influence people…
broncorat
He was scared to say Bowlens name
Didn’t want to corner himself, tried to make it seem like more people were involved.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
by diviesti on Aug 28, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I recall
TO was not this obnoxiously petty. TO handled his business behind doors or in front of camera. He didn’t act out like a child’s temper tantrum during practice.
by cuseindahuse on Aug 28, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Colin Cowherd believes that the Broncos just suspended their best player.
And the Bronco organization is in total disarray….
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
They suspended Ryan Clady?!?!?!?! Why?!?!?!?!
by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 28, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
i don’t know about the organization being in disarray, but there’s little debate that Marshall is the most talented player on the team.
Shanny had pandered to the players and brought in so many bad apples that eventually it turned into cancer. McDaniels is cutting our the cancer. Painful, but it had to be done.
Marshall might still turn it around. I do believe this is his last chance. If he can’t figure out that he’s lost this staredown, he’ll rot for the next 2 years so the Broncos can prove that they won’t be pushed around by assholes.
by thedoctor on Aug 28, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, there IS debate
About who the “most talented player” on the team is- I think it’s Clady, not Marshall. Others agree.
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 28, 2009 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions
Clady, Moreno, Bailey, Dawkins, & Royal are greater than Marshall.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
How many catches did BMarsh have in his rookie year? opps!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Yeah, can we get a refund for him underperforming his contract his rookie year?
If you believe that it is possible to outperform your contract, do you have the cojones to let the door swing the other way?
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
Moreno has never played a regular season game. Dawkins is getting up there. Royal is talented, but it’s too early to call him more talented than a guy with Marshall’s abilities and record.
Clady and Bailey I’ll grant you, I meant offensive dynamo guys that score and handle the ball RBs, QBs, WRs, etc - but that’s not what I said. :)
Maybe...
They just suspended their worst teammate. A good decision
by azbroncomaniac on Aug 28, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions 9 recs
Nicely stated
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Colin Cowherd
is a total and complete moron. Sorry.
He’s even worse when he tries to talk about baseball. He’s the guy who I believe (he’s based in LA) said the Dodgers should’ve traded Matt Kemp and ever Kershaw if it meant getting Roy Halladay. Yah, makes sense Colin. Please don’t give him ratings. ;-)
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
I get texts from some Bronco news station....
every time I get one now a days I cringe when I open my cell phone to view it.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
same here
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 29, 2009 7:22 AM MDT up reply actions
its about time,
coach put his foot down. Will this suspension hit him in the wallet? If not i hope the find away to do that. All he cares about is MONEY, so take it away from him. I wish the trolls would just go away, they are just mini marshals. Cry babies. Im the same way when i get my text from the tv station
live and die blue and orange
Nope
The only problem with this suspension is that it doesn’t hit him in the pocket book (per Klis).
Of course, maybe Marshall will be grateful about that. The punishment here seems to be public humiliation and the complete tanking of his league stock value.
Shape up, Brandon, or you’ll be a football footnote.
The next step is cash out of his pocket.
And we all know that he is already overspending his current contract. A cash punishment will hurt like a kick to the groin.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
YES
BM is not the center of the universe, he’s a legend in his own mind, the Broncos can and will live on without him, and do just fine, IMHO. Good riddance to bad rubbish
it became a brite side
just a little bit ago, when they suspended him. now ARE team can go about there business
live and die blue and orange
Off topic but just a notice that
I have switched from DASHIELL (my cat’s name, heh) to the handle I use on a couple of other sports sites, just to avoid confusion (my own). And plus, I see the Broncos as underdogs this year, so it works.
Now back to your regularly scheduled Marshall-chat.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
I'm not a Marshall apologist here
And think he deserves the suspension and is acting like a baby. Having said that, has a 32 year-old head coach ever been given this much power for an NFL franchise? And would all of this off-season turmoil have happened with Shanahan still in place? Or with a separate “real” GM? Just throwing it out there. Marshall’s being a jerk and hurting his own career. But at what level is McNiceThingsAndRainbows culpable?
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 10:02 AM MDT reply actions
I don't think age has anything to do with it
The question is, was this the right decision? You seem to have acknowledged that it is. So how would this issue have any reflection on McDaniels at all? I understand you might have other concerns about the HC, but in this case what kind of connection are you inferring?
Personally, I think Shanahan’s track record was that he was willing to take risks on very talented players that weren’t necessarily good for the team. That is the legacy we’re dealing with here — and I suspect we won’t be dealing with it much longer.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
every coach
has the power to suspend players lol his age is irrelevant
The fact that so many people keep trying to drag McDaniels into this is disturbing.
Did McDaniels get Marshall arrested all those times ?
This is about the impression Marshall has given Mr. Bowlen and from McDaniels actions he tried to stay out of it until marshall forced his hand by getting on tape making a fool of himself .
If Shanahan
was still the coach we would be importing more of these type of players. As for “real” GM, that makes no sense and of course your customary McName reference, are we really supposed to take your opinions seriously?
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
My point is
Does Marshall pull this sh*t with a more experienced, more well-respected, figure in place? How everyone missed that point is truly a mystery to me. The McName thing was meant to be a funny reference to my last failed attempt at humor. Not surprised you missed that either. Wow. Just wow.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
i think it stems from the same issue as cutler...
neither gave MCD a chance- they showed their true colors and let everyone know who they were in it for… themselves.
that is completely contrary to the new system. square peg, round hole.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think eventually he would've pulled this
on Shanahan too yeah. Maybe he would’ve been more reluctant to do it on the veteran coach but he wanted a new contract. Let’s say Cutler still had left, that likely would’ve set BM off anyway. Then you add to that last year of the contract, etc etc. I thnk he still pulls it but maybe it would’ve taken longer or not manifested itself in quite the same way. Truth is, Shanahan seemed to have lost the respect of some players anyway, which is one reason they made the change.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
One could argue
that Shanahan wouldn’t have given him a chance. Look how he handled Portis — traded before it became an issue. He was decisive with Gardner as well. Those two were from different ends of the character spectrum, of course, and Shanny brought in a variety of players that did help, but the list of those who did not and stayed around way past their welcome is long and well documented.
It’s a moot point, imho, because we don’t have another coach — we have McDaniels. If you want to worry yourself over whether this scenario is better than one that would have happened in some alternate universe, be my guest. I’m more interested in what’s going on right here and now.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think Marshall got used to
Camp Shanahan and Mike holding his hand all day long.
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 29, 2009 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions
The situation would be different under Shanahan . . .
because he would pander to BMarsh (like he has done with all the thugs he brought in) and give in. Then we would be back at mediocre again for another season. This is a Shanny issue . . . its his guys that he brought in with questionable character. That is one of the reasons I lost interest in the Broncos . . . Now my interest is back because I am proud of the TEAM atmosphere McDaniels has brought back. I can actually talk to my children about the good character guy the Broncos have now loaded themselves with.
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by HSFBCoach on Aug 28, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
absolutely.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Did Shanny always just give in?
Or did players respect him more. That is my basic question. And honestly, I’m not sure anyone here could truly answer it.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
i think
the question is do we want a guy who would do this REGARDLESS of who the coach is.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
This isn’t about McDaniels vs Shanahan, McJayGate, etc etc etc. This is only about Brandon Marshall acting like a spoiled brat.
Honestly, I’m a little embarrased that this is the breaking point for me. I’ve made excuses for him through drunk driving, allegations of hitting women, starting stuff at clubs…but this was the end. Blah, I’m done with Brandon.
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But why is implicating the new coach
in probably losing two of the team’s top 5 players now, in any way whatsoever, so taboo around here? Seriously. In a real world of sunshine and rainbows the team still has it’s best players. Something’s rotten in Denver, no?
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Top 5 players maybe
Top 5 teammates, probably not.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree about the teammates part
But New England managed to fit Randy Moss into the mold. Something Josh didn’t pick up from Belichick? (and will I be taken seriously by the super sensitives here by calling him “Josh?”)
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Randy paid his dues in Oakland
imho. That was a fate worse than death, and dissent in Oaktown doesn’t really apply to real world football. ; )
But your point is well taken, Bob.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
and yes
you will be taken more seriously if you call him Josh, at least in my book. Criticize him all you want — the name thing just gets a little wearing, that’s all.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
not that I’m super sensitive. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Moss was brought in as a headcase,
being given a chance by a currently great team.
Marsh is trying as a child would to push his liits, testing the new regime on how important he is.
just 2 completely diff situations you are dealing with.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
interesting point
Does Marshall see himself as the one remaining hope for an otherwise doomed team? Is he black jesus come again to save us?
If he really does think that the broncos will be bad without him, he is sorely mistaken. Whether we sink or swim, we will do it whether he is there or not.
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yeah, something’s rotten in denver. the attitudes of our “star” players. i’m sick of these losers not respecting our franchise. i know you don’t care about tradition or respect, because your from boulder, but some people take these things very seriously
Nice personal attack
Please, for the love of Elway, quit taking this stuff so seriously. I have an opposing view about our football team. The personal attacks are childish and reflect very poorly on you. And it’s “you’re.” If you’re going to hurl unfounded insults, at least do it correctly.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
thanks!
if shanahan was still the coach, my spelling and grammar would be much improved.
(still hate boulder)
"tradition and respect"
Shanahan won two Super Bowls as a head coach. Here. For the team I grew up loving. So far the only thing McD (I think that one is acceptable here?) has done is lost two star players (probably, I think Marshall is gone now). That is it. Unless folks are truly jazzed about Kyle Orton?
Why do you hate Boulder? Do you also hate America? ;)
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Yo BiB -
First of all, McD has done nothing to lose BM as a player… I really truely don’t see how this can be put on him.
As for Cutler…. well, I wish he was still playing for us [and embracing the broncos new system], and while we could say that McD was part of the problem, he was not the only problem in that situation.
I guess it comes down to whether you have respect for McD out of the gate or not. I had faith in Bowlen’s decision from the beginning, even knowing nothing of how Josh was going to coach the team. I respect the man because Pat Bowlen obviously does. We come from different angles on this: I respect everyone until they lose my respect, and you want people to earn yours. You came in jaded and McD will have to win you over… I came in hopeful waiting for my impressions to be crushed. However, I still believe [even without blind optimism] that we are a better team NOW than we were a year ago. We would be even better with those other kids, but we will have to see.
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by mfured20 on Aug 28, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Very reasoned reply
Wow, you must be an Av fan? ;)
You are correct in our viewpoints. I though the McD hire was curious and he needs to earn my respect. If 13-3 happens, I’ll be the first one in here saying I was WRONG (in all caps, even!). Or even if I see things start to turn around favorably.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
so you’re basically just waiting for the “gotcha” moment if he fails, but you’ll reap in the rewards if we’re successful. what a great fan
No
not at all. I’m saying I’ll own up if I’m wrong. That is really what I said. I don’t understand this “you’re not a real fan unless you are blindly optimistic” attitude one bit.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions
heh. there was a guy that called into fm104.3 the fan yesterday along the lines of “we’ve had season tickets in our family for three generations, and i’m so upset with mcd and bowlen that i sold all the tickets this season!”
then the sports guys are like, “oh wow! so you got rid of the season tickets all together?!”
the guy responded, “no, they’re still in the family. i just sold them all individually.”
basically, he was pissed at the team, but didn’t have enough conviction to follow through all the way. it’s one thing to write off the team all together, but it’s pathetic to have a escape route, so you can bask in the glory should they become successful again.
(not directed at you personally, but that seems to be the case with many haters ’round these parts. if the broncos go 10-6 it will be nothing but high praises for the new coach.)
If successful, he should be Coach of the Year
given the BS and negativity he’s had to deal with this summer.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
But even looking at this team with objectivity [instead of blind optimism] should show that it has promise… just not as much as it would if we had Cut and BMarsh operating at full capacity.
I think that we should be somewhat optimistic… perhaps not 13-3 optimistic, but I would definitely go to 9-7 as not being too out of the park…. But I would say that our success is not based on Cutler vs Orton or Marshall vs Gaffney, but on our players ability to learn the new system and play in it. If you get the whole team together on one page you will do better than what we have had the last couple of years.
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what was curious about the hiring?
what reasons for the misgivings? not attacking… genuinely curious.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
two star players, who have yet to sniff a playoff game.
when you think of the broncos’ best WR, you think of Rod Smith, the consummate professional. he did what was asked of him, and displayed professionalism all along the way. he is a player that is worthy of being a role model for your children, and his hard work eventually paid off with wins and championships.
the NFL, today, in my opinion places too much emphasis on the QB and “star” players. yes, good QB play is important, but not so much that a single player should be held above the rest. it takes a team to win, and unfortunately for these selfish receivers they are mostly interested in self-preservation. i lost all respect for marshall after seeing that video, i don’t care how talented he is. you need a winning attitude, not a whining attitude, to be successful in this league, and the direction the broncos have been taking the last few seasons has been the wrong one in my opinion.
i like boulder, the town, but the people are weird and stuck-up. i’m just razzing you because i’m a CSU alum. i understand that not everyone is looking through orange tinted glasses, but if i wanted unrelenting pessimism, i would read words that have been paid for
i want a QB who will defend his teammates, instead of passing the blame. i want a WR who is a team player, not a prima donna who plans touchdown celebrations in advance. mcd may be successful, or he may fall flat on his face, but i respect him for the changes that he is trying to instill into our franchise. and i honestly believe the groundwork is being laid for us to have another successful team in the near future
by lolcopter on Aug 28, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a CSU alum too
Go Rams a week from Sunday. I’m still debating being in the enemy crowd at Folsom.
Good points about Smith versus Marshall. But don’t forget that even Smith had a nasty personal issue related to domestic violence, which by the way, was masterfully handled by Shanahan and the entire organization. Is anyone else bothered by the poor PR move the Broncos made in telling their own players to not congratulate Marshall following the ruling in Atlanta? A move the Broncos later apologized for, but wtf were they thinking?
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Think the Rams have a shot this year?
Man, those last 3 or 4 losses to CU under Sonny were just heart breakers.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
i hope so, but you never know. poor coach fairchild and the tv commercials… haha
“for the love of god! come watch some rams games! protect the fort!”
by lolcopter on Aug 28, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry to break in...
…but I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks those ads look ridiculous. Really throws me off when I’m watching the Rockies games.
(Full disclosure: I graduated from UCCS, where we don’t have a football team. So I’m effectively impartial.)
I mean, REALLY?
“Defend The Fort”??? Bwahahahahahaaha
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 30, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
He got aquitted for beating another human being.
Congrats for being innocent and all…but there are things that you don’t just strike up the band to celebrate.
By the way, I distinctly remember Doom and Royal saying that they were happy for BM AT denverbroncos.com. Nobody was told not to be happy. They were told to be respectful of the circumstance and use restraint.
I don’t see the blunder here. This is common sense.
by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 28, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
I recall some epic battles between...
…the Pokes and Utes in basketball when I was there (86-91) Utah was still a few years away from being a football power, though.
I actually grew up a CU fanatic (my family might have been THE season ticket holders there for awhile pre-McCartney), but then I broke the family habit (CU) and went to UW— mostly because my dad wasn’t sure me and Boulder were a good fit when I was 18.
by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 28, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
smart dad
;)
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh Yeah
But I’m not sure he understood that the bar to people ratio in Laramie is 2:1 and that the winters make you want to be unconscious as much as possible.
But I grew up quick enough….
by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 28, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Laramie...
What a horrible pile of refuge. I lived there for 6 months (wife was finishing UW) after returning from Iraq. (DOD IT Consultant)
I should of stayed in Iraq another 6 months until my wife was done @ UW.
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Aug 28, 2009 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Utes have been screwed twice now
By the BCS. How on earth does beating ’bama and going undefeated not mean anything?
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Still makes me angry when I think about it...
I guess beating the tar out of a team from a “real BCS conference” will have to suffice.
Saban is a tool.
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The BCS sucks.
If every other sports league on the continent has managed to figure out a playoff system, why can’t college football?
Start with 32 teams, selected by impartial humans on the basis of their regular-season record, and whittle it down from there via healthy competition. Rotate the final championship game around the major bowls, and use the other 400 (or so) meaningless bowl games as a sort of Football NIT.
There, fixed. See how easy that was?
the BCS has been like a knife through the heart for many midmajors
as a Boise State fan (since before that was the fashionable thing to do) all I can say is… meh. Screw teh BCS, and the shark it rode in on….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 29, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Wait...!
BiB: Did you just say McD lost 2 players? He did? When? Did you look under the couch in the weight room? Maybe they’re just smoking out behind the auto shop?
The truth is, both of those players mentally quit because they didn’t like what the new boss was doing. Fine, but don’t blame the new boss until you have some data that says what the new boss is doing is wrong. And even if those two players were preciently correct in their assessment, there are right ways to quit and wrong ways to quit. They both picked wrong ways.
Wherever you go, there you are.
by YosemiteSam on Aug 28, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Semantics
Is McD totally to blame? No, of course not. I think Marshall is being a bigger horse’s ass than Cutler was. But who is in ultimately in charge now? If I have two employees that had been performing at a very high level suddenly quit on me, I’d have to at least look in the mirror a little bit.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
In that situation
I think you look in the mirror, of course. But it sounds as though you’re assuming he hasn’t, and on little or no evidence because we can’t really even know that. It’s not really something you would air in public. Professional sports is all about reviewing your weaknesses and making the corrections you think are warranted, and then you keep on working. Success is borne out by the results of your decision making process, which evolves over months and years.
Ultimately, the HC will be judged by his Ws and Ls, not by the perceived talent of his roster. Some very talented players on some very elite teams haven’t been able to save their HCs job when the Ws didn’t result. Nothing will save McDaniels if he doesn’t produce, but he clearly harbors no illusions on this point. He knows as well as anyone — it’s all about the W.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, look in the mirror, but have the WHOLE ORGANIZATION look into the mirror. If McD isn’t the reason that Marshall is having an issue [IF], what is he having a problem with? with whom? It seems unfair to presume that McD is the root of all evil.
The trainers under Shanahan did indeed miss a critical injury to Marshall. That is definately a cause for concern. In fact, issues like this may well have led to Shanahan and his staff getting fired, not just the losing record. Marshall should accept that things are going to be different from now on.
Also, as to the metaphor about two top employees: Say that I sell electronics, and I institute a new plan that allows my emplyees to help customers more fully, but get reduced commision. However, the customers are so happy that they keep coming back to us in the long run, making us more money from repeat business. If I lose my two top sellers [under the old plan] because they feel less in the spotlight, making less money per transaction, thats fine with me. Because in the long run we end up ahead of the game: Even the guys that left would have been better off in the long run, they just don’t see it that way.
of course, it depends on if the electronics really do make people come back.. if not then it was a horrible failed experiment and i end up in the toilet.
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I'm sure he has
looked in the mirror. And I bet he’s been called on the carpet. And he’s touched base with every mentor he’s ever had, starting with his dad, and yes, I bet a call or two into Belichek.
I’ll also grant you that this staff is 180 degrees different from the last one. Is that going to cause some friction? You bet it is! It’s going to bother people that have something to lose. I don’t think that anyone will argue that McD doesn’t want to win games. He wants to win using good old fashioned hard work, team work, and work ethic. That is going to clash with some of the situations that some players had coming into this year. Those that were willing to change with him are here and by all published accounts, happy and excited. There were two that didn’t like this idea of a new work ethic and that became evident rather quickly.
Do I wish he were more diplomatic in his implemenation? Sure. You’re right. He’s made some rookie mistakes for changing the culture of an organization (I know a little about how to do that wrong). But I’ll overlook, for at least a few games, a rookie playing out of position as long as he’s doing his level best. I’m extending the same courtesy to McD. He’s a rookie – he’ll make some mistakes. What I think he is dead nuts right on about is the direction of the franchise: we live or die as a team.
Wherever you go, there you are.
by YosemiteSam on Aug 28, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
High Level?
So two employees who run up stats at your office for time,make many sales calls, draw s lot of attention to themselves, put on a big show but fail to actually produce to the bottom line (wins and losses) one has all sorts of personal, domestic and legal issues and end up threatening the future success of your company puts you in front of mirror asking yourself what?
Probably: Why didn’t I fire the other guy sooner and get rid of these clowns once you have seen their true colors.
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 29, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whoa, this line went crazy!
I don’t want to imply that question the coach is taboo; to me, it should be expected.
What I’m saying, I guess, is that this particular situation goes beyond the player-coach relationship. There are ways to handle any grievances in a professional manner (see, for example, Anquan Boldin). Marshall isn’t even close to being mature here, and his choice in reaction has nothing to do with anybody but himself. IMO, regardless of what the source of displeasure is, there is absolutely no way to support Marshall’s behavior.
Hope that clears up what I was trying to say.
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I think you may be replying to me
But don’t have a big enough monitor and straight edge to figure it out. ;)
Didn’t mean to imply that you are making it taboo. But the overall drift I get from this site is such. My initial post was a mere query. Wondering if all of this crap happens with someone else in place. I should have known it would have caused a sh*tstorm. My bad.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a reasonable question
and you’re always free to ask reasonable questions. In this case, I just don’t think the possible answers are helpful or insightful. Just my opinion.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
to add to that
we never questioned Shannahan when we should have and that left us scratching our heads and NOW we are going to question coaches moves because of the scratching Shanny made us do AFTER the fact. Not to sound down on Shanny at all but if guys liek Cutler and Marshall who are both talented were pandered too by the old coach and the new one sees their attitudes as brown stains on the underwear, than why not buy new underwear?
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by Jon Tollerud on Aug 28, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions
vivid man
nice.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I was trying to respond to you
But yeah, who knows…I may have been responding to myself for all I know!
I think it was a fair question, although I do agree with broncosmontana above that at this point it probably doesn’t matter.
As for reactions…man, this offseason has left a ton of open wounds on the collective Broncos fan psyche. I’m ready for the time when things settle down and cases are made (on both sides of an issue) logically and without malice…but that healing is going to take some time. It’s been a challenge trying to stay out of the various frays.
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Agreed
Even if we assume that he wouldn’t have pulled this stuff with Shanahan still here, a person who does these things cannot be helpful to a team. Whether it’s not giving full effort or getting arrested again, more problems would have arisen. It’s clear that he has not grown up at all. Something bad would have happened.
Right.
We can’t know what would have happened, but I can agree with this sentiment.
Yes, every organization has to deal with high-maintenance people who don’t always “fit in” perfectly. In sports, we put up with it, I guess, because someone of obvious talent helps our team win, and that’s the bottom line, right?
Well, maybe we’re just tired of seeing spoiled divas with no self-control stomp around…. This is entertainment after all, and I for one am not paying to see individuals prance around saying “respect me!”
Give me a dozen Eddie Royals and two fewer wins per season. I may be a minority with that thought; but then, I don’t think a dozen Eddies would really mean fewer wins!
Remember the 0-4 start in 1999?
And the players were just laughing about it, caught joking about themselves at dinner. That doesn’t look like respect to me. Eddie Kennison didn’t look like respect. Deltha O’Neal failing to learn the rules for safety punts in the NFL didn’t look like respect.
Anyone else wanna chip in?
2 SBs as a head coach
Probably earned him some respect. Just saying.
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by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
and 10 downhill seasons
lost a lot of respect
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I agree that it was time for Shanny to go. The end of last season was an embarrassment. And his personnel decisions, especially on D, were often atrocious. I was just puzzled by the McD hire and don’t like the fact that we’re probably down two studs now.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 28, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
i think
the 2 studs were maybe 2 3rd wheels in a team first program the new coach brought in.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
Do you feel that Shanahan or any other coach would have brought in similar FA acquisitions / UDFA / coaching acquisitions?
Beyond Cutler, what do you think McD has done which was “wrong”, “bad”, etc?
I am just curious if one instance [where people blame all 3 sides, bowlen, mcd, and cutler] was what has made your opinion negative or not.
by Todd Jewell on Aug 28, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Understood. But why
were you puzzled by the McDaniels hire? He was considered one of the brightest young assistants in the game and had a lot of other teams interested in him as well. Just curious who you thought they should hire?
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
Well from the comments of Rod Smith, John Elway, Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins
There is wide spread respect for mr. McDaniels……Its time to move on from the “players don’t respect the coach” mantra
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 29, 2009 7:35 AM MDT up reply actions
EXACTLY HSFB
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 29, 2009 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions
DONT FEED THE TROLLS
live and die blue and orange
by jerry251 on Aug 28, 2009 10:02 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Jay Cutler acted the same way
With his hissy fit and petulant child temper tantrums. Cutler’s ego was shattered and balked his way to Chicago. Marshall is on the verge of being booted. Either shape up or ship out.
that's surprising
they haven’t put this on McDaniels yet
This One
is pretty obvious.
At the beginning of Marshall’s antics people were connecting it to the new organization but as time has gone by that argument has been killed. This one is just Marshall.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
I don’t think you understand the McDaniels haters agenda fully.
This will be his fault, one of them will find a way to blame him [Sandy Clough already has]. After that, the rest will use his same [bad] argument and repeat it a billion times until it becomes “fact”.
by Todd Jewell on Aug 28, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sandty Clough is douche bag . . . I HATE THE GUY!!!
Those strong words . . . but I can’t stand his insufferable, higher than all, attitude. He absolutely KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL. He has NEVER coached a team in his life. Until he has been in a coaches shoes and has to deal with a “cancer” player, he has no room to even talk. Uggghhhhh .. . . . just his name makes me want to punch my screen!
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
Sandy Clough
I know nothing about this person…so I googled him. So HSFBCoach, you are saying that you disagree with this?
Best Talk-Show Host
Sandy Clough
FM 104.3/The Fan
Readers’ Choice: Jay Marvin, Mike Rosen (tie)Sports yakkers tend to be ghettoized, as if their chosen subject automatically makes them less worthy than peers who gab about hard-news happenings. But Sandy Clough transcends the genre. He’s a rigorously analytical thinker who’s not interested in dumbing down his commentary to make it more understandable for average Joes and Janes. Rather, he works under the theory that sports fans are smarter than their reputation and deserve a smarter brand of conversation. If only more sports specialists played the game his way.
he constantly talks over people and won’t let them finish their statements. He constantly tries to twist something they were saying into having a different meaning and then attacks the meaning that doesn’t even exist in their original sentiment. There is no other correct opinion other than his own and I don’t believe he has ever be wrong about anything… maybe he is the most interesting man in the world?
Lately that hasn't been true of him
Sandy’s been around Denver Sports Talk a long time, so I’m very familiar with him. I’ve exchanged a couple of emails with him, he’s very good about that so credit is due there.
He’s always had a “I’m smarter than these dummies” attitude (purposeful schtick?) which he’s known for- he’s “famous” around the local sports talk scene for shouting people down as “idiots” and “morons” (they used to play promos with him doing it) when he feels they’ve earned it. He was always a pretty logical thinker, though.
But when the cutler thing went down, he really seemed to lose his objectivity. His commentary at this point strikes me as arrogant and fairly pompous, much more so than I came to expect from him. I agree with Todd’s take that he is convinced that his view is THE correct one, and those that hold other views are deluded fools worthy of derision. How much derision seems to depend on his mood.
He’s on the side of McDaniels “doesn’t know what he’s doing” and thinks trading cutler was a horrible mistake, whereas his partner Mike seems to take the other view of it. This could be contrived for ratings sake, of course- seems convenient.
I used to be a regular listener of both his show and the station, but I haven’t been in the last few months because I don’t really agree with the negative takes that most there seem to have.
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 28, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I have stopped listening to the fan BECAUSE OF Sandy Clough . . . .
He is a pompous ahole that does nothing but shout down his detractors. I don’t care about the reader’s choice. Sandy does not have the SLIGHTEST CLUE about the game of football OR coaching. He has never been in a position where he has had to deal with a “poison apple.” Until they get rid of him, I will NEVER listen to the FAN again. It is a complete garbage radio station, imho.
Put me on the record as “Sandy Clough” is a douche bag . . . I would love to meet him in a bar one night . . . POW! Right in the kisser!
"The men who have done big things are those who are not afraid to attempt big things, who were not afraid to risk failure in order to gain success."
- B.C Forbes
The Real question is
Would you use the right or left hand?
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 29, 2009 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
hahaha
We should note that Clough was NOT the “Reader’s Choice”- the READERS split between a liberal and a conservative talk show host. The STAFF of that paper picked Clough as “the best”.
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 30, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
ironic
that the Cutler issue would tear us apart, but the B Marsh issue unites us. Isn’t fandom funny sometimes?
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
cutler did a lot to help his own case
though he was at times whiny, he was still performing on and off the field in an adequate manner.
15 however…
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Well
there is no video tape of Cutler ignoring Bowlen’s phone calls.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Aug 28, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
ha. exactly!
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Aug 28, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Guru was right
I thought things were starting to recover with this relationship. If i was BM I would have been upset about the contract thing. With the hip injury I think it might have pushed BM over the edge with the “career ending injury”. He deserved more money. We could have protected our self with a conduct clause. This is BM showing his true colors and why he was not a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Ugh, not sure how much more drama I can take. I need to wake up from this bad dream.
He is done as a Bronco
I ride the short bus!
Conduct clause only allows for small percentage ($44,000/year???) to returned
The guaranteed money is the problem here.
BMs years of service
So if the Broncos hold him out for the year, does this year count towards years of service for Marshall? In other words, does he get to go to Free Agency? Because that would really sting him if he doesn’t get to go to Free Agency after this year.
It won't matter
The Broncos will slap the franchise tag on him in order to recoup a 1st round pick if someone really wants to sign him after this season.
I believe if a new CBA is not worked out all players will have to wait an extra year to become FA’s too.
All of this is exactly why the Broncos hold all of the cards. BM is a complete idiot. He’s doing the absolute worste thing he could be doing if he wants to get a big payday.
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
by c_style on Aug 28, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is a great !
This video is exactly what the team needed. Now Brandon has lost any possible leverage he had against management. If they decide to renegotiate the contract now (not saying i think they will) they can dictate the terms, and hold him over a barrel.
Great Jerb BM!
Who Wants to Give Big Guarantee Money Now?
OK,,,so who wants to give this guy the $20 million guaranteed money he wants now?
BTW,,,In searching for background on suspentsions, I came across Plexico Burress’s supsension last years (pre the shooting)…..AMAZINGLY similar.
New crazy idea
Trade Marshall to the Niners for the rights to Crabtree! Woo hoo!
Okay, I’m mostly being sarcastic, that’s all we need is an even younger WR ego tripping. He’s probably just hired the wrong agent and sure is talented… but… not worth it.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
Keyshawn him
I doubt we’re going to get any real value if we trade him, and we would just be giving him what he wants. Making him sit out the year would send a message that this crap won’t be tolerated no matter how good a player is.
I agree with the suspension
however some of the comments by some if the MHR Members need to check themselves. I would never wish a train wreck of legal problems or a fight in the parking lot with his girlfriend in the parking lot or anything like that. Remember that we have players that patrol the sight and you can bet we probably have a few agents too. We dont need to give him any leverage to get out.
for me personally I think the kid is a good kid who has made poor decisions and put his trust in the wrong people through his life. He has lacked a continuous positive influence in his life. I dont think he is going to hack it in a system with rules regulations and accountability (something I really like in McDaiels) but I could be wrong! I would love to see Brandon show up work hard and play for us but right now he is making that one difficult
One of the things that drew me to MHR 3 years ago was the lack of insults to our team and players. I can understand some frustration, I was in a total ticked off mood when I saw the video. After some time to process we need to appraoch this carefully and tactfully and it sounds like McDaniels is doing so. Our turn MHR
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Aug 28, 2009 11:08 AM MDT reply actions 5 recs
And that is fine
your opinion counts too.
Like I said i think the suspension is warranted. How many of us when we cried for a candy bar in the store did our parents spank us when we started throwing a tantrum? I got my fair share of spankings as a kid. It seems that’s all this is and now he has to learn the lesson.
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Aug 28, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
my statement isn’t in regards to his tantrums — it’s the other personal actions that have happened which I find to be reflective of his character
Tantrums happen — my wife and I both have them occasionally =)
by Todd Jewell on Aug 28, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I understand that
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"We should have kept Seattle and dumped San Diego from the Division"
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
by Jon Tollerud on Aug 28, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
This is a man behaving as a child, as if his mental/emotional development has been stunted.
Childish behavior requires a child’s punishment.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
What Brandon should have learned from Rod Tidwell
In the NFL, you scream “SHOW ME THE MONEY!” to your agent and not to your boss and THEN you go out and score touchdowns.
broncorat
If anyone else is weary about the offseason problems
here’s a nice little escapist diversion — A Few Minutes with Chris Baker.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 11:15 AM MDT reply actions
Cutler and Marshall
They were two of our best players, and it turns out, two guys with the worst attitudes. So whatever you say about Mc’D you got to give him credit. Teamwork, attitude and hard word is more important than talent.
This makes me think he never wanted Cutler. I know nothing on the inside, but the only logical explanation for all this (in my mind) is he is purging the team of bad influences, no matter if they are a top 10 receiver or a franchise quaterback.
Of course there was nothing else to do with Marshall at this point besides suspend him.. Based on all actions up to this point I think Mc’D likes Marshall as a person, or should I say as a kid. Otherwise he would have been traded and out of here in the beginning like Cutler. But Marshall is actually a good hearted person it seems, just extremely (and sometimes dangerously) immature. On the other hand, this tells me that Mc’D didnt like Cutler from the beginning. He never gave him a chance from the get go.
Not sure how this will all work out, but Marshall gave us all an out, he hung himself, the team can move on, and now, in case you didn’t know, only hard working players with a team oriented attitude need aply,
Anti fans...
Don’t the Trolls know they look ignorant when they try to belittle other teams so that it may make theirs look stonger?
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Martin Luther King Jr.
if that's how you make your team better,
it certainly explains the triple decade SB drought.
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I originally posted this comment on coronadO's thread,but thought it could add some value to this one too.
This is like watching your own kid doing something you know damned well is going to hurt him. [You love him and you want him to do well. You want him to avoid the mistake.[added after the original post] ]. You can see the car crash coming. You’ve been down this road yourself and/or you’ve seen a lot of others make the same mistakes. So you take him to the side. You offer your best advice. ANd when he doesn’t listen, you beg and plead with him. ANd when he still won’t listen maybe you even slap him around a little for his own good, (suspensions).
But he just can’t seem to get it through his thick head. He insists on smashing head first into that brick wall going sixty miles an hour and believing nothing bad can happen.
Frustrating.
All that’s left is prayer so I’m going to say a prayer for him. He needs it.
BTW coronadO, I love your avatar.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
amen
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by broncosmontana on Aug 28, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
YES
trade him to the chiefs
bowe and marshall dam
pioli pick this guy up
Is It Just Me
I read this and I have been pleased with Bronco Country’s overall reaction. I look over all the additions we have made to this team and don’t see anyone in the future pulling this with us which makes me feel good. I am hoping this is the last weed we need to pluck out of the garden.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Ugh...
Shanahan’s knack for taking talented malcontents under his wing, if being under his wing means letting them do whatever they want, has come back to bite the new regime in the ass.
Anybody else kind of hope Marshall gets arrested in the next two weeks? Then he gets suspended for a year and anybody dumb enough to sign him next season will constantly be alert.
He doesn’t even have to get in trouble, I don’t care, I’m just excited for this offense. It’s an offense that sprays the ball all over the field, and it doesn’t really have a need for a prima donna WR. I love Marshall’s size, but he doesn’t exactly bring much else to the table. He led the league in drops, after all.
BM needs to quit acting like a piece of BM and get in line. Or don’t. We’ll be golden either way. It’s unmistakingly apparent that the morale and camaraderie among every other player left in the locker room is quite high.
Exactly right
For anyone still hurting over Shanahan, this is a perfect example of why I’d been saying he had to go for the last 3 years – his catering to locker-room lawyer, crybaby prima donnas like Marshall (and, as it turned out, Jay) with their tantrums, childishness and ridiculous oversensitivity. Some Broncos show up to practice and play like men – others are still little boys.
McDaniels seems to believe in accountability to your teammates, which has been a lost concept over the past few years, with their late-season collapses, quitting on games once they lost the lead, stupid, Raider-like penalties, sideline antics, and off-the-field gangster behavior, etc… All the talent in the world won’t make you a champion if you have the heart of a snot-nosed whiny punk.
I’ve been embarrassed to admit, here in Chargerland, that we lost our character along the way since Elway retired. Win or lose this year, at least I can once again say that the Broncos are a character team that believes in doing things the right way. They’re rebuilding from the heart as much as the stat sheet.
Good job, Bowlen. Don’t listen to the “win now at all costs” crowd – we tried their way, and got nothing but the present headaches to show for it. We did things the right way before, and we’ll get back on top the same way.
A Bronco fan in San Diego - where history begins in 2004.
by BroncFanInChargerLand on Aug 30, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Last few months as Bronco fan has not been good
And with us not having our own pick which at this point looks like a top 10, we probably blew our chance to draft a top QB
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