Horse Tracks 8/30/09 - Broncos vs. Bears tonight; Matt Cassel injured as rest of AFC West loses

Good Morning, MHR Friends! Well, tonight's the big night - the Broncos' first home preseason game, the Denver debuts of Brian Dawkins and Russ Hochstein, and something about a QB coming back to town. Let's just hope for a relatively mistake-free and healthy game from our boys. I assume this is obvious, but my short game summaries are obviously not based upon watching most of them; they're from perusing articles and box scores. I don't expect to be giving you much insight on Mondays - Ted will be doing that on Tuesdays!
On another note, I'm not going to be available for tomorrow's MHR fantasy draft. Rather than go into the season with an auto-drafted team, I will instead hand my team off to whomever here wants it. My spot has the 10th-overall choice in the 20-team league, so the draft position is pretty good. Ownership of the team go to the first commenter today to claim it. Best of luck!
Go Broncos!
DB - A Closer Look: Broncos vs. Bears - Gray Caldwell
DB - Matchup: Broncos vs. Bears - Broncos TV
Chris Hall previews tonight's game. The players are happy to see lots of action, understanding that the learning curve is still steep for them.
DP - Bowlen won't be chairman of bored tonight - Mike Klis
Klis takes Pat Bowlen's temperature on his Broncos and sets out five goals for tonight's game.
DP - Krieger: One mirror image for McD to avoid
Krieger hopes Josh McDaniels didn't make the same mistake Bill Belichick may have made upon his arrival in Cleveland many years ago. I know some folks can't stand Krieger, but give this column a chance. IMO it's pretty well-reasoned and he makes some interesting points, without the arrogance of saying McDaniels will definitely fail with Kyle Orton. There are a couple of comparisons I don't love (McDaniels is quite different from the other Belichick coordinators, and I'm not sure Joe Montana and Steve Young are HOFers without Bill Walsh.) But it's a good column which makes you think...
DP - Klis: Bowlen's stock dropping - Mike Klis
Klis considers the Broncos' financial situation and gets Bowlen's take on the CBA.
CSG - Cutler at Mile High tonight puts all our hate to one place - David Ramsey
DP - Good-hands guys will get the call on special teams - Jeff Legwold
Mike Priefer says fumblers will not be keeping return jobs for long.
LTC - Marshall choosing wrong path - Brian Howell
AP - For Josh McDaniels And Jay Cutler, Sunday Night May Be Too Soon - Arnie Stapleton
CSG - Bears-Broncos: Three things to look for - Frank Schwab
CSG - About face of franchise quarterback - Frank Schwab
DP - Cutler turning over new leaf in Windy City
Kiszla responds to emails
DP - Some angry Bronco fans prep for Jay Day - Lindsay Jones
NFL Results
NFL - Seattle Seahawks 14 at Kansas City Chiefs 10
Matt Cassel left immediately with an undisclosed leg injury after being sacked from behind. No matter what comes of his injury, the Chefs can't afford to trade Tyler Thigpen away, considering their porous O-line. If Cassel isn't seriously hurt now, he will be shortly...
NFL - San Diego Chargers 24 at Atlanta Falcons 27
Phil Rivers and Matt Ryan were both in fine form, while Gartrell Johnson showed that the Dolts have a very deep and talented backfield.
NFL - New Orleans Saints 45 at Oakland Raiders 7
Drew Brees and Jokeland are both in mid-season form; I watched a bit on the Network, and it will be quite a surprise if the Broncos don't beat the Raiders twice this year...
NFL - Tennessee Titans 17 at Cleveland Browns 23
Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson both made strong bids for the Brownies' starting job, while Vince Young turned it over twice.
NFL - Buffalo Bills 0 at Pittsburgh Steelers 17
Big Ben and Rashard Mendenhall both played well. As for the Bills, it's never good to get shut out. Even in the preseason.
NFL - Indianapolis Colts 17 at Detroit Lions 18
Culpepper and Stafford were sharp for the Lions, while Peyton was his usual self.
NFL - New York Jets 27 at New York Giants 25
Mark Sanchez showed some progress, while the Giants' first-team passing game struggled in a big way. Rookie WR Hakeem Nicks did have a huge second half, so perhaps Jerry Reese won't be calling Denver for Brandon Marshall...
NFL - San Francisco 49ers 20 at Dallas Cowboys 13
Roy Williams did not play, while Shaun Hill didn't exactly inspire a ton of confidence as the Niners' starting QB.
NFL - Baltimore Ravens 17 at Carolina Panthers 13
Joe Flacco was spectacular, while the Ravens' first-team D shut out the Panthers.
AFC West News
KCS - Cassel leaves because of injury in Chiefs’ 14-10 loss to the Seahawks - Kent Babb
KCS - Chiefs’ Thigpen shows he’s no Gannon - Jason Whitlock
KCS - Rookie Jackson contributes to Chiefs’ defense - Adam Teicher
KCS - Lelie stakes his claim as a wide receiver - Randy Covitz
What a shame. Ed Reed, anyone????
KCS - Still nothing special about Chiefs’ special teams - Randy Covitz
KCS - Chiefs blitz: A look at the good, the bad and the ugly - Kent Babb
SDUT - Chargers reap payoff of planning - Kevin Acee
SDUT - Forney, Vasquez in right-guard battle - Kevin Acee
SFC - Raiders' coach in loss: 'This is embarrassing' - David White
SFG - Raiders Silver and Black Blog : Surveying the damage - David White
CCT - Cable: 'I'm embarrassed' - Steve Corkran
NFL News
NFL - Morris picks Leftwich to be Bucs' starting QB; McCown is No. 2
NFL - Back problems force 49ers OT Smith to retire after nine seasons
NFL - Niners' Lee hits Cowboys Stadium's giant video boards during warmups
I wonder how many times this will happen during regular-season games...
NFL Opinion
NFP - Sunday at the Post - Mike Lombardi
Lombardi is removing BMarsh from his list of blue-chip players.
NFP - Weekend notes: the Packers are rolling - Matt Bowen
FOX - Preseason points: Rodgers has Packers' O rolling - Ed Thompson
NFL - Jets hoping Sanchez's performance a glimpse of greatness to come - Thomas George
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fantasy spot CLAIMED!
DIBS!
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Aug 30, 2009 8:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that was quick!
All yours, Joe!
by Douglas A. Lee on Aug 30, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome. email me the info.
my user name @ g mail.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Aug 30, 2009 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Krieger at least sounds reasonable
but we only need to look so far as eli manning to find a not-knocking-socks-off talent-wise qb who got his team a ring.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by denver_diaspora on Aug 30, 2009 9:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Krieger example QB's don't support his arguement
Montana, Young, and Brady are now looked at as HOF QB’s, but neither Montana or Brady were “franchise” QB’s coming out of college. Young was a “franchise” QB but busted in Tampa before being transformed by Walsh.
by DBinKC on Aug 30, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additonally
How many 40 millon dollar busts are taken in the first round. Everyone seems convinced that top 5 draft pick equals franchise QB.
When the truth is that most of the really great QBs came from later in the round or in later rounds altogether.
"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers
by AlanC11 on Aug 30, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree and Disagree
There are is significant percentage of 1st round QB’s who have excelled. But you are right that just because a QB is drafted in the 1st round is not an automatic guarantee of success. In fact, the percentage of bust/success stories can be found in all the rounds INCLUDING undrafted QB’s. I think QB is probably the biggest crap shoot in the draft.
by Endzone on Aug 30, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
roughly the same percentages of busts for 1st rounders at the other positions (except OL I think)…
Krieger makes a pretty good point…
by Merlin Scott on Aug 30, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE Krieger: I don't know why
some people aren’t giving Orton more of a chance . . . or any chance at all, in some cases. I believe McDaniels fingered Orton because of what he accomplished in his two years on the field, despite Orton’s inferior supporting cast and offensive scheme. Before Orton can show what he can do for the Broncos, they have him under the bus for a drafted QB next year. Let’s first see what he can do here, for pity’s sake. If he flops, there is plenty of time to consider a turnover at the position. On the other hand, he might just turn out to be a pleasant surprise . . .
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
by AZDynamics on Aug 30, 2009 9:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good points, AZ
You know, a lot of this reminds me of Bill Walsh trading for Steve Young. Young had a poor overall showing with Tampa Bay, where the coaching was terrible, but Walsh was the one coach who saw great potential in him. History has shown that he was right. Perhaps an unusually good QBs coach can see why Orton is an excellent bet for this offense.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Aug 30, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
orton a chance
speaking for myself, i have definitely been spoiled by elway’s arm strength throughout his career. then we finally get another qb with similar potential in cutler. now we are back at looking like another griese type qb. i like the excitement of the hail-mary passer who can bring us back in the fourth quarter. i don’t see that option with our current qb or team for that matter. hope i’m wrong.
by golfdoc on Aug 30, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli Manning, anyone?
Eli is not an exciting QB, he is a game manager. Yet he led a thrilling comeback drive to win a Superbowl. You see, it does not take a rocket arm. Sure, he was aided by a great defense, but the key fact remains: they were down 4 points with a few minutes left and he drove for a TD.
by si_ice on Aug 30, 2009 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli looked good yesterday
His deep ball looked good…did you see the game against the Jets? If Orton throws like Eli then I think we can all rest easier. IMO, we could have done worse then getting Orton I like him better then Matt C.
"Iron sharpens Iron."
by vdisciple on Aug 30, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. And BTW, Eli was #1 draft pick. Orton was a 4th rounder. He may not be 1st round talent, but he is a great value where he was picked and slotted.
And Orton did not get contract extension after the trade. If he proves to be a wrong answer, Broncos will lose no money. And I do expect Kyle to struggle some and to be inconsistent this year – this is his first season in a new and complicated scheme. But I hope he shows enough to inspire confidence in next season and gets his next fat contract from Broncos. Oh, preseason hopes.
by si_ice on Aug 30, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh?
When is it that Cutler managed to bring us anywhere in the fourth quarter? I agree with what you are saying about Griese, of course that ignores the fact that it was Griese, not Cutler, who got us into the playoffs in HIS pro bowl year.
"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers
by AlanC11 on Aug 30, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland game last year
I think in 2007 he had at least three 4th qtr. comebacks ( I remember marking them on my printout of the schedule, also of no real significance, I remember distinctly, even then, not wanting him to break that record – I have yet to discren a worthy person to claim John’s record of 4th qtr comebacks).
; )
But it was certainly MUCH rarer than it should have been, eh
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 30, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
I dont think people realize Ortons contract is up at the end of the year . Its easy to expect the worse because we had jay but imagine if Orton is a stud and walks away so now we traded Jay and we get lucky and the QB we get in the deal for him turns out to be a stud but because the fanbase and local media treats him like crap for 12 months that he decides to go elsewhere .
He had no control over his being here and he should be cheered for working as hard as he has to gain everyones respect. This game is the perfect opportunity for everyone to exorcise the Cutler demons and get behind Orton as our QB. I think tonight would be a huge confidence booster for Orton if the crowd was behind because I would rather have Orton playing to win the game instead of playing to win over the fans .
by Hoopforia on Aug 30, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Your right about Orton having no control over being here. I thought it was the other guy who asked for the trade. Orton was told he was coming here. All he’s done is work hard to learn a new system and try to do his best.
by papasteven on Aug 30, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NYC
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 30, 2009 9:49 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I watched a little of both Chiefs and Raiders
too and can’t for the life of me see how on earth any “expert” pundit could possibly see them as better than the Broncos. The key to any team being competitive is both sides of the line, while there are still some questions about the broncos DL, their OL is one of the best in the game. Watching the Raiders and Chiefs’ OLs, well, if I were a fan of either team I’d be worried about not only their success but about the health of their QBs, as you point out. Who knows what will happen this season, and no one should completely put stock in exhibition results either way as we know, but looking at both of their OLs and at the Raiders’ coaching staff, I can’t see how people can see Denver as worse than them. But we shall see.
I do hope Cassel is okay though. And won’t go on the Chiefs’ blog to gloat about it if he isn’t, ahem ahem.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Aug 30, 2009 10:07 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I might.
; )
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
by broncosmontana on Aug 30, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
gloating here would be like....
Kicking a dead horse (or Chief)….they suck so bad I dont think we have to worry about them this year or next!
"Iron sharpens Iron."
by vdisciple on Aug 30, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see any way the Raiders aren't last in the AFC West
They looked dreadful. Yeah, I know it was just preseason. But there was nothing remotely redeemable. It is befuddling to think there are ‘experts’ who actually put us last to these guys. The Cheifs have some issues, but I actually saw some improvements. But I do think the division will come down to Denver and SD battling it out again – and I’m not as down on SD as some others here. They are good, dispite the loss last night.
"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com
by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 30, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
party
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Raiders-embarrassed-disgusted.html
And veteran defensive end Greg Ellis implied to reporters that several players aren’t doing the right thing off the field as far as staying out late partying instead of conserving their energy for games.
“Guys, you can’t stay out all night,” Ellis said, according to the Sacramento Bee. “Can’t expect to come in here and just turn it on. This isn’t high school or college football. This is the best of the best in the NFL. So you’ve got to do those small things that you maybe didn’t have to do in college.”
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 30, 2009 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preseason can be somewhat telling
I’ll agree that you can’t put too much stock into preseason showings, but last year’s preseason had the Broncos OL giving up zero sacks while the DL had a very hard time stopping the run. Both of these things continued into the regular season. So maybe preseason isn’t a perfect indicator, but I think it can expose some trends.
by Dtown on Aug 30, 2009 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep we're lucky!
Outside the Dolts, our division still sucks! But will we suck more?
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 30, 2009 10:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember when the AFC West used to strike fear into other divisions with regularity?
That was a long long time ago. I like Denver’s chances of putting together a run and surprising some folks, but realistically I’m still projecting they go 7-9 this year.
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
by broncosmontana on Aug 30, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
next year however
Playoffs. Bank it. : )
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
by broncosmontana on Aug 30, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks nyc
Your daily Sisyphusian efforts never cease to amaze me.
by Endzone on Aug 30, 2009 11:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Krieger is wrong.
That column is all nice and sweet, but it is pretty much wrong all the way around. People love bringing up Belichick’s history in Cleveland as some kind of black eye. He came to a team that was 3-13 the year before his arrival. His record year-by-year —
1991 – 6-10
1992 – 7-9
1993 – 7-9
1994 – 11-5 The Browns beat Parcell’s Patriots in the playoffs in 94.
1995 – 5-11 (The Browns were 3-4 when Art Modell announced he was moving the team. The cloud of the move had hovered over the team and city for a year, since Jacobs Field a Gund Arena opened in 1994.)
The point of all of this is simple. Belichick had the team going in the right direction before the move. That, and the Belichick didn’t move to replace Kosar until prior to the 1993 season when he signed Vinny Testaverde. It didn’t happen as soon as Belichick arrived. The ‘diminishing skills’ comment Bill made about Kosar was right. Bernie never was a starter again.
There were alot of mitigating circumstances regarding the Belichick/Koasr situation. Of course, Kosar had won alot of games for the Browns, and had John Elway to blame for not playing in 3 Super Bowls, a far better resume than Jay Cutler has.
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by John Bena on Aug 30, 2009 11:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Kosar also repeatedly defied the play calling...
…over the course of at least one game. Overt insubordination isn’t tolerated in any environment of which I’m aware.
That said, that was as fine a MSM column as I’ve read in awhile. I don’t totally agree, but I appreciated the effort and the prose. Thanks for the rec on that one, NYC!!!!
by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 30, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
a similar phenomenon in San Francisco
Nolan has been disparaged for not turning around a team that went 2 – 14 the year before he took over. Oddly, he had them playing well enough at the end of his second year to shut the door on our 2006 playoff hopes.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 30, 2009 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks NYC
we will miss your hard work tommorrow
live and die blue and orange
by jerry251 on Aug 30, 2009 11:30 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
New Here
Thank you nyc. It is so great to have all the news in one place.
Can anyone help me? I keep hearing people referring to “the rules” of this site. But I cannot find them. Where are they? Am I the only one wishing they were posted on the front page?
by DemBroncsRock on Aug 30, 2009 12:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome DemBroncsRock
Guru Posted the Rules here not to long ago. There is an appropriate article by Hoosierteacher here, and another post by Guru here, that are worth reading.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 30, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
that 3rd link is here.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 30, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, NYC.
Maybe it’s just me, but I always believed Walsh’s statement that the coach was the most important part of the team. And I honestly believe Joe Montana and Steve Young owe their Hall of Fame busts to Bill. He knew exactly the sort of players he needed in his system and he got them and maximised their abilities. Joe Montana was considered “noodle-armed” (strange to see all the derision thrown at noodle-armed QB’s while people fawn over Montana’s greatness) when he came into the league (and may have retired as such, although excellent mechanics can make up for that to some extent), but Walsh knew that he was smart and accurate over short distances (sound familiar?) and exploited that while making his weaknesses irrelevant.
"Two months."
by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 30, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Cutler
Interesting article on Fox QB or not QB? These are the NFL guys I’m watching this season
No, the Jay Cutler I know had a 17-20 record in three years with the Broncos and an 11-34 record in four years at Vanderbilt. Then again, he was 26-1 his final two years in high school, which means the city of Chicago should be excited about him if he’s enrolling at Northside College Prep. Otherwise, we’re looking at a 28-54 record since 2001 and a fella who always talks a good game but always walks into the losers’ locker room.
He’s got 9-7 written all over him — if he overachieves
by Endzone on Aug 30, 2009 2:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Patriots backup?
Am I understanding Adam Schefter’s latest twitter update, that the Pats released their 2nd string/backup QB? With Brady’s injury issues you have to not have too much confidence in that situation.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Aug 30, 2009 2:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Their rookie QB Brian Hover must be doing really well. I’d be very surprised if Andrew Walter has improved that much. It may be a move so Kevin O’Donnell can catch on with another team before the regular season starts. He may be an improvement over Ingle? On the other hand, I don’t see us keeping more than 3 QB/s. Simms will probably return early in the regular season, Brandstater will be on the P/S for development.
by Endzone on Aug 30, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
O'Connell had a terrible pre season
They realized he was ineffective, and cut ties before wasting a roster spot on someone who wasn’t needed this year and wasn’t going to develop any further.
by dr.mort on Aug 30, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah just saw his stats
also didn’t realize they had Andrew Walter, who isn’t that bad… (or great)
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Aug 30, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knowshon Update just posted on DP
On the DP Broncos blog:
Under the watchful eye of Broncos’ longtime trainer Steve "Greek"" Antonopulos, Broncos rookie running back Knowshon Moreno was testing his injured right knee prior to the preseason game here tonight against the Bears at Invesco Field at Mile High.
At Invesco tonight, Moreno was attached to a bungee cord that was secured around the base of the goal post near the south end zone. Working against the bungee resistence, Moreno went through a series of backpedals, crossovers and lateral moves.
There’s a chance Moreno could practice this week on a limited basis with hopes he will be ready to play by the Broncos’ regular-season opener Sept. 13 at Cincinnati.
A bit encouraging!
Enjoy the game folks, I am gonna miss most of it live so am Tivoing it to watch later.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Aug 30, 2009 3:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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