A Guide to 'Getting Along' on MHR
by John Bena on Aug 31, 2009 10:29 AM MDT
in Strictly My Opinion
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PrintNOTE - I wrote this post a while back but wanted to repost it today. I am hoping it clears up some of the pending issues on the website. For the 'regulars' this will be the last post I dedicate to this subject. Moving forward, I will assume anyone taking the line that their opinions are not welcomed here at MHR are simply trying to stir the pot and will be banned. Hi-Jacking threads and trying to create controversy are not going to be tolerated. There are NO VICTIMS here.
Please use the comments section to give your thoughts. I also welcome your emails(milehighreport@gmail.com) if you would like to personally address anything in this post. If there is enough need, I will dedicate tomorrow's MHR Radio to hashing this stuff out. Once the season starts, however, I will handle things based on the Code of Conduct.
A couple months ago I wrote a post, Objectivity Vs. Kool-Aid, and needless to say it generated a ton of conversation. I want to thank all of you for your input and insight, words of encouragement and critiques. The site has grown, in large part, because I take what you all have to say very seriously and want this site to be as much about all of you as it is about me.
What I decided to do was to really look at all the comments and respond to some of the thoughts that seemed to permeate throughout. Hopefully, by addressing all of this here, it will help answer the questions that some of the newer members have as they move forward. Many of you joined MHR during this offseason, with all the upheaval and the shuttering of the Rocky Mountain News. Your only impression of MHR is of how things worked during these crazy times. I figure now that everything is slowing down a bit with 6 weeks to go before Training Camp, that you deserve to find out what the real motivation for MHR is and what I am trying to do.
Buckle up, this is going to be a Looooong post. But please, try and get through it; in the end, it will be well worth it!
First, let me start by posting the rules of MHR, that each and every person who created an account, agreed to.
MileHighReport.com is an independent website dedicated to the Denver Broncos. We welcome fans of the Broncos to come to MHR and join other Broncos fans in talking about the Broncos as well as anything else that interests you. We also welcome the fans of other teams to MileHighReport and welcome good-natured smack talk that can go on between fans of opposing teams.
What we will not tolerate at MHR is any personal attack on any member. Have an opinion, state your case, disagree and debate, but keep it about football. Please keep your comments about the topic at hand. "Hijacking" a post will not be tolerated.
The Fan Shots and Fan Posts are yours! Utilize them to make a point, get involved, or just to meet fellow Broncos fans all over the world. We are a community, and like any community your are a part of we take care of each other.
Lastly, please remember this is just a game. Broncos football is a way of life for most of us but let's not lose sight of what we are here for and that is FUN. Enjoy the site, enjoy the game and most importantly enjoy each other.
* Any FanPost or FanShot with vulgarity in the title will BE DELETED, no questions asked
* Any repeat FanPost will be deleted. FanPosts that are nothing but Links, with text to meet the 75-word requirement will be deleted. If you come across news and want to post the link, USE THE FANSHOT SECTION! That is what it is there for!
* FanPosts that are misleading will be deleted. People come to MHR for their Broncos news and the integrity of the site will not be compromised because you want to be a stand-up comedian.
* Any comments that personally attack any other member will be deleted and the member warned.
* Any post or comment that refers to a player, coach or other prominent figure in a derogatory way(name calling) will be deleted. We are all adults, act like it.
* Openly wishing or hoping that the Broncos fail tells me you are not a Broncos fan. At that point you are a Troll and will be dealt with appropriately.
***IMPORTANT*** These rules are in effect for everyone. Whether you have been with us from the beginning or are a brand new member, there is no favoritism here. There are no cliques. MHR has reached the point it has by being different than message boards, a cut above so to speak. I will not let us become the RMN or DP comment section, or a message board.
I have put these guidelines front and center so you can have a basis for what I am thinking. A couple of thoughts about the guidelines. When you really look at it, it comes down to 2 important things --
1. Be Respectful of Each Other -- That encompasses personal attacks, being open to different ideas and beliefs. It also means that whether the comment comes from me, or someone that created an account 5 minutes ago, we are all treated with the same respect.
2. Act Like an Adult -- This encompasses how you get your point across. None of the contributors have a problem if you disagree with us, and no one will care if you are critical of the Broncos (coaches or players) if you do it in a mature fashion. Creating derogatory terms from someone's last name isn't being respectful and just doesn't add anything to the site.
To be clear -- You can be critical of Josh McDaniels without being disrespectful.
So, as you can see, there is nothing, not one thing, in the Guidelines that discourage being critical of the team, the front office, the coaches or the players. Not one thing. I am repeating it because it seems to be a belief that I think the words FAN, POSITIVE, AGREE WITH ME, NEVER BE CRITICAL OF THE BRONCOS are synonyms for each other. THEY ARE NOT! I want the criticism to be constructive. Put some thought behind it!
Now, let's get to the thoughts that were permeating throughout the Objectivity thread from a couple days ago. I am going to copy some of the comment text, but I AM NOT SINGLING ANYONE OUT!!!
Comment -- I’m a huge Bronco fan and I disagree with several things The Coach has done. Am I not allowed to express this kind of opinion?
Of course you can! Be critical! One suggestion I would give, because this is how I manage people working for me, is to come up with solutions. Don't just bring a bunch of problems to the table. We all know the defense was awful last season. What can be done to fix it? Don't like a certain move a coach makes? What should he have done to do it better.
Constructive Criticism is always a good thing. Try not to just bring problems; try and formulate solutions.
Comment -- If your opinion is "DENVER IS TERRIBLE BECAUSE MCD RAN OUT A PRO BOWL QB", that’s fine, as long as you base your opinion off the fact that denver will, in fact, be a terrible team because either McDaniels doesn’t have the people skills to keep his players united or that denver will be terrible because they have no pro bowl qb.
The comment above was used as an example, and wasn't the belief of the person saying it, but it is the perfect way to explain my next point, and possibly the biggest misconceptions there are about MHR. You do not have to back up every thought or opinion you have with some kind of fact. We are all fanatics and with that comes irrational thoughts at times. Sometimes, you just want to vent and get something off your chest. MHR is the place to do that.
The FanPost section is at your disposal for this. As long as you follow the guidelines above, say what you feel. The most important thing, however, is to avoid taking responses or comments personally. Riding the fence is easy, if you pick a side you will invariably have those who agree with you and those that disagree. Debate, talk about it, but keep it business.
I, for one, like to see if the opinions or ideas I have can be backed up by some kind of data. What I am not, however, is a stats guy. Like many of you, I feel stats can be twisted and turned to fit any argument I want. The only numbers that matter to me, in the end, are the ones located in the W/L columns. Stats are a part of the journey, not the destination.
Comment -- I’ve tried in the past, but there are 2 reasons why I don’t do it.
1. Why spend hours preparing a post that will get completely ignored? None of the La-La crowd will rec it and most people will never see it because it will never hit the front page.
2. I don’t like focusing on proving people wrong. I don’t like expending energy hating on the Broncos. I just want to be able to read some thoughtful, smart analysis that doesn’t ultimately feel like apologist propaganda.
There is no doubt, being critical is much harder than being positive. That's because this is a fan site, and by the nature of fans they are going to try and look at the bright side of things. Sports is a release, a getaway for people. No matter what is happening in each of our lives, we use the Broncos as a way to get away from it all. Not many people chose to go on vacation to a place it rains all the time. The same could be said here.
Now, that doesn't mean it gets ignored. I try to think outside the box. When the Broncos make a move I disagree with, I try and ask myself, "Why? Why would they make that move?" I get differing opinions, then come to my own conclusion. I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE everyone to post FanPosts, whether it's those of you in La-La Land or those who are not. Do not get discouraged, and if you feel like you are getting wrongly attacked for your position, email me -- milehighreport@gmail.com
Comment -- La-La Land, the 13-3 army, and their place here.
This really wasn't a comment, but a generalization of MHR that has been floating around for awhile. MileHighReport is not a "supporter" of the La-La Land inhabitants, per se. Meaning, I am not a full-blown member of the 13-3 gang. Do I hope and wish the Broncos go 13-3 in 2009? Hell yes! Do I think they will? No, I do not. That is the beauty of MHR. If I really ruled with an iron fist, I wouldn't let these guys have a voice because they disagree with me. I do, and always will. Just like anyone who thinks the Broncos will go 6-10.
Of course, as a Broncos fan, one is much more fun to talk about, and to dream of, and to look forward to. Be honest, how much fun is it to look forward to a season when everyone talks about the team going 4-12? At 8-8 last year, the Broncos were closer to 4-12 than 13-3. That doesn't mean there isn't a place for both to coexist.
Comment -- Why does "Positive" have to be the default attitude of a fan? Having a "Neutral", or even "Prove it to me" attitude about an unknown coach or player is perfectly acceptable. Especially if I feel they have made some mistakes, I want them to prove to me that they were right.
I’ll be the happiest guy on the planet if I’m wrong, but I’m not going to just blindly believe trading next year’s #1 for a nickel corner was a genius move just because the guy who did it happens to get his paycheck from the Broncos. What would you be thinking if Al Davis had made that move? Be honest. And just saying "it wasn’t unprecedented" doesn’t mean it was a good idea.
This is another great example, and something that has been a hotbed for conversation since the draft. I'll start from the top. I agree 100% with it being OK to have a "Prove-it" attitude. In fact, when it came to Jay Cutler, I was a big-time "Prove It" guy. Win a big game, and I'll give you the keys to Elway's locker. That was my thought then. So, as stated previously, the definition of being a fan is NOT being a drone.
Now, as for the Alphonso Smith pick, involving the trade of next year's 1st-Round selection. This was one of those moments when I asked myself "Why? Why would they do that." The easy answer, and the one given by the MSM, was that Xanders and McDaniels got played, raked over the coals by the Seahawks. Perhaps.
Let's think outside the box for a minute. Do not, for one second, think economics is not a factor. The Broncos had two first-rounders in 2010, one possibly very high. Pat Bowlen has no desire to pay a huge singing bonus, possibly twice. Depending where, high draft picks are impossible to trade, so why take the chance? The Broncos saw a player they felt was a first-round talent and wanted to rid themselves of the expense of a first-round pick in 2010. As much as fans hate to hear financial concerns are a reason for decisions like this, it's a fact.
Is that the reason? Maybe not, but it at least puts some thought behind the Why? instead of widening a divide in the fan base.
Comment -- I would like to see more hard analysis about what the team does instead of the rosy view all the time.
Great point. Trust me, it is simply irony to the fullest that all the contributors are somewhat on board with what has happened this offseason. Speaking only for myself, I can't take a harder line on many of the decisions because I really agree with them.
I felt, at the time, that Shanny's tenure in Denver had gotten old. The team was becoming more about individuals, not about TEAM. Shanny was involved in several things off the field, including a new restaurant. That is his right, and probably didn't affect his performance, but I wanted a guy that lived football 24/7.
I also thought Shanny was a victim of his own success, and the weight of that had become unbearable. He was fighting a hopeless cause, because every year was Super Bowl-or-bust.
I like Josh McDaniels. I liked him before he was hired by the Broncos. My wife is a Bostonian and a Patriots fan and I have watched every Pats game over the last 8 years. I have seen the way this guy does his thing, how he coached Tom Brady and Matt Cassel and how he handled himself, even with Bill Belichick. I am also a Northeast Ohio guy, and can see John Carroll University (where McDaniels played WR) from my office window. I had this respect for McDaniels BEFORE he was hired by the Broncos.
As for the Cutler saga, it was hard to see him go, but as I stated many times, in type and on MHR Radio, he always seemed an awkward fit. That is just how I feel. It was how I felt when he was a Bronco. Did the team become less talented individually? Yes. Will they be a better, more close-knit team now? We'll find out.
These are just some of the 330+ comments in that post. Again, I thank everyone and truly appreciate it. People that attack from afar show their true colors, and everyone who is a part of this site, and commented in hopes of making it a better place, showed the class you all have.
I am hoping to put these issues to bed now, and move on with the task of getting ready for the 2009 season. The Broncos are getting ready, and we need to as well, as a community of Broncos fans. Let's try and become stronger as a fan base and community. It is only a matter of time before the real antagonists invade MHR. In just over 90 days, the Broncos and Bengals kick off the 2009 regular season. Will you be ready?
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Keep up the good work
I love the site, love the contributors, I love the podcast, please keep it up!!
thanks Guru
I sit hear and try to read the post from everyone but then I get tiered of people bashing each other about there comments. By the way you are doing one hell of a job
live and die blue and orange
i have loved the site
but recently comments have increased its hostility and so I am debating restricting my time here.
I love a good debate but what is transpiring now due to the lack of “apparent” success of the Broncos has frayed a lot of MHR blogger’s nerve I guess and definitely reduces the value I once placed on MHR.
Will always continue to listen to MHR Radio.
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
Just a Suggestion
But if the comments or “unrec’d” fanposts are getting on your nerves, just read the articles or rec’d stuff. When I’m busy at work, it’s all I have time for, and in some ways, I may be better off for it if the comments turn into a “message board” atmosphere.
The authored content on MHR is fantastic, some of the best anywhere, and you shouldn’t let other readers’ opinions and discussions bring you down :)
Well said, addressed most of my issues. But why can’t we just go back to the old orange and blue jerseys full time? Explain that and you’ll unite the fan base.
by legendarywalton on Aug 31, 2009 10:45 AM MDT reply actions
UNITE THE CLANS
Haven’t you heard? The new jerseys are ‘predominantly orange’. LOL
I kind of like the way they switch out to the orange jerseys a couple of times a year. I think if I had to look at them all the time my head would explode but bringing them out maybe two times a season sort of adds to the specialness for me.
by TheMastermind on Aug 31, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Why is the orange so damn bright? My madden squad definitely throws on the Snorting D uniforms for a majority of the time, otherwise it’s the drunken horse. It’s been what 11 years since we changed unis? That’s like a lifetime to me and my ADD generation without a logo/uni change.
by legendarywalton on Aug 31, 2009 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I didn't like the orange uniforms when they first reappeared
But last night i really liked them. Would have liked them even more with a victory ;-)
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
What was our record with the “New” orange jerseys? I remember Shanny banned them. I really only remember the terrible Jerry Porter catch in the snow… such a miserable memory.
by legendarywalton on Aug 31, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
No idea at all
I actually like the white the best though
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I didn't like the orange uniforms when they first reappeared
But last night i really liked them. Would have liked them even more with a victory ;-)
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Not a koolaider
Yet I voted “Very Good.” I think this site is awesome. And appreciate all of the views, even those much more optimistic than mine. Sorry to be such a fly in the ointment so far this season, fellas. I’m definitely in the “show me” crowd and so far this offense has been offensive at best. And still waiting for the turnover differential to turnaround as well. Wasn’t that the rationale for many of the offseason and draft moves?
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 31, 2009 10:47 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd expect to see more aggression in the regular season
And it’s going to take some time for everything to come together.
A lot of new faces, new staff, new systems, I don’t expect 3 pre-season games in for the team to be in mid season form.
I hope it all “comes together” this season, but I’m not expecting it. I’m expecting progress, a taste of what we can expect going foward. I hope the team has success, but after the horrible end of the season last year I’m willing to give the new faces time to come together.
by powderaddict on Aug 31, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm with you
It takes time. New regime, new system, new everything. I am not directly comparing McDaniels to these people of course, but Lombardi, Landry, Walsh, Noll, Jimmy Johnson…all those coaches who are held up on a pedestal today had very pedestrian starts. And I doubt any of them would have been given nearly as much time today as some of them had to build a great team.
Maybe this won’t work out but man, give them a chance. There HAVE been good things this pre season and I think there’s more potential in Denver right now than in a lot of places in the NFL.
It could be worse. It really could. And I really do think it will get better sooner rather than later. Look at it this way, they missed the playoffs the last three years and last year won a few games they had no business winning. Personally I am looking for growth and progress this year, not miracles.
by TheMastermind on Aug 31, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Fair enough Bob
And the turnover under achievement is bugging me too.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 31, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll tell you what, though...
I’m liking the aggressiveness, pressure and ESPECIALLY the tackling I am seeing from the defense. Those guys are taking people down with emphasis. Love it after the debacle of last year’s crew.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
by BroncTastic on Aug 31, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Count me in
for the new group, “optimistic folks who are getting a bit jumpy with the lack of turnovers.”
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
I am in that groups as well disco stu
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Generating exactly 0.0 per game
probably ain’t going to get it done. I would not expect this to carry forward to infinity, however. ;)
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 31, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Someone has to screw up
and lay the ball down for us….even if its out of pity ;-)
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
The only thing that get's me thru
is I remember the fact that the offense hasn’t really been a Touchdown machine yet either. Yes the D has not produced any turnovers, but just like the offense they are learning a whole new system. And maybe (at least I hope so) they are trying things that they normally wouldn’t do in the regular season, just like the offense. I still have faith, in both the offense and defense.
There is no charge for awesomeness, or attractiveness!!
by Bronctillidie on Aug 31, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Cause we love the Broncos
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Also NOT a koolaider
but I voted Excellent!!
I get tired of reading ‘troll’ every time a negative comment is made.
I generally skip those poster’s comments and look for those who’s comments I DO respect. (Even tho I often disagree)
This is a great spot for real fans!!
by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 31, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I love it here
Most people cannot debate without turning it ugly and of course on the internet the fact that we’re all relatively anonymous means that people tend to think they can say things to you that they’d never dream of saying to someone’s face.
The proprietors here work really hard to keep a constructive attitude and I really appreciate that. More time is devoted to football instead of flame wars and troll hunting – which is good for us all.
I’ve learned more about football here than anywhere else – and my dad is a coach!
So I am all for it. Keep up the good work guys.
I agree
There is a depth of football knowledge here that is unparelleled
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
At first
I thought it might turn out to be fictional ;-)
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Differences in opinion
Sometimes opinion differences seem to lead to people trying to correct a poster into the “correct” opinion, which is usually more positive toward the Bronco’s player, coach, ownership, playcalling, etc. For example, if I say that I think we throw too many screen passes and dump offs to the flat, I don’t need 15 people to tell me how integral they are to this offensive style. It is still boring to watch and that is my opinion. There isn’t always a right and wrong, and people don’t always have to agree to contribute.
Sorry for the rant, but its a trend that I’ve noticed lately that I think makes discussion difficult.
I've noticed this too
and before long it snowballs into a “i’m right, you’re wrong” discussion, instead of about the Broncos. And it usually is more “positive” people trying to do the convincing, but I think that is only because there are so many of them compared to the predominantly critical posters. That, of course, is also a lot of what is behind the feeling of “group think” or “gang mentality”…. usually the responses number in the double digits… that is a lot of people to have disagreeing with someone, but it shouldn’t be confused with “groupthink.” If someone had made the same type of comments back in 06, it would have been a one on one with Guru. Forward a few years and maybe 2 or 3 others would have been involved. Here in 2009 there might be twenty people discussing a subtopic in a thread…
Its a thinking group, not group think.
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 31, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, I've noticed the snowball effect as well
and I try not to pile on when something has already been addressed (like now), but sometimes my emotion fandom takes over the rational fandom.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 31, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
This site is unparallelled,
Thanks Guru for keeping us a even keel.
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It
MHR University + Lighting Up The Scoreboard = Killer App
Merge these two together, and no matter what flavor of Kool-Aid you’re serving (even god forbid… grape) I’ll be a loyal fan of this site until the interwebs breaks down.
by legendarywalton on Aug 31, 2009 10:58 AM MDT reply actions
Yeah, MHR-U
Is probably my favorite feature of the site.
by powderaddict on Aug 31, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Without the Internets
Coaches would not be able to practice their love for their players. LOL
by TheMastermind on Aug 31, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Fanpost / Fanshot
Whenever new news comes out, I typically post it in the FanShots section, as do others — but a lot of people ignore that and then you see 8 posts in FanPosts relating the same exact story. If we can’t get people to recognize the FanShot section, then you have people posting in FanPosts and then posting filler so it meets the criteria.
There has to be a way to union the two sections together for the listing that people see on the screen.
Also, having 3 posts about the same exact thing [new news] is unfortunate as it kicks other more deserving posts off the list before people get a chance to see them.
by Todd Jewell on Aug 31, 2009 11:16 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I don't think there is really a way around it
since the issue is where the data is located on the page. One thought would be that rec’d fanposts and fanshots could share the “rec’d” section at the top.
Another thought would be if posts and shots could be ordered in a tab according to recs, with a 2 or 3 slot space dedicated to the newest fanposts and shots.
Fanshots convey a lot less info, and are considered a secondclass form of delivery, both by readers of the site, and by the programmers that designed it. But less info does not mean less valuable info. I think that in the future the awesome guys that run SBNation will find a way to better mine the value of posts and shots from the community (and even comments). As of now, the only way to do that is through the rec’ing system. I know that i personally put a lot more focus on whether to rec fanshots than fanposts, and I will continue that trend until fanshots are changed or recognized as well as fanposts are. It isn’t much, but it is all I have got. And I love promoting a timely fanshot to the front page, as do the other editors, since it saves me work. Often though, news breaks from many of us at the same time, and so simultaneous posting is going to be a recurring theme until someone moves head and shoulders above everyone else in consistency and rapidity of response, as well as engaging style and accuracy. What ahppens at that point, is that members come to expect their input, and so there develops a built in delay before the simultaneous posting.
Just like with the Broncos, our best asset in making this site the best it can be is patience and perseverance.
In fact, that is pretty much the whole secret of success, period.
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 31, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I think just combining the two sections in display on the page is the best idea — that way people are encouraged to actual use fanshots.
Instead of “recent fanposts” it is just “recent posts” and combines the two sections — I know that MHR has nothing to do with this, but it is an idea I think worth promoting.
by Todd Jewell on Aug 31, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
I Agree
I think we need to get people to move away from the forum mentality, which is easily seen in some fanposts, they are treated kind of like message board topics, not the miniature articles that I feel they maybe should be.
I only gave the site a 'C', might have went 'D'
I’m very interested in all things Broncos, but truthfully get tired of the 13-3 Kool-Aid crowd dominance.
I posted months ago wondering why the Goodman’s were canned, wondering if it had anything to do with the Cutler saga, and was flamed pretty good because of it. I still think it is a valid question and one completely ignored. When two of the guys that helped select a head-coach are let go shortly afterwards, and right before the draft (which is arguable when they and the information they’ve collected are most valued) I think hard questions have to be asked. I’d thought they’d done a nice job in talent evaluation in the 2008 draft and still find the firings very odd.
Anyway, everyone deserves their opinion, but I’d like to see more posts that are better grounded in reality than it appears much of the Kool-Aid crowd can take.
by MTBroncoFan on Aug 31, 2009 11:19 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Two things kept me from A
1. I didn’t want to look like too much of a kiss arse.
2. I have felt some hostility while posting some less than koolaidy views. But not too much. Most of the folks here are great. And insightful. Overall, I’m probably a little less pessimistic than I might be otherwise without some of those views. I still want to see something positive on the field, but yes, the new coach needs to be given a chance.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 31, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I think I gave my take...
on the Goodman’s, but I will do so again here. I think Shanny and the Goodman’s were hand-in-hand and I don’t think Pat Bowlen knew just how interconnected they were. An example, and this is only MY OPINION. I have always thought that based on Cutler’s low base salary for this season($1 million) that this would have likely been the year the Shanahan re-did Cutler’s deal. I think that has a lot to do with why Jay was so unhappy when Shanny was fired. The Goodman’s, of course, were in on this, thus the reason Cutler came around to coaching change. When it became apparent that there was a split on an extension for Cutler between Xanders and the Goodman’s, Bowlen chose to remove the last link to Shanahan and completely clean house. That is what really got Cutler upset and why things completely collapsed from that point.
Again, these are my opinions.
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by John Bena on Aug 31, 2009 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bingo!
I agree with you 100% on this Guru. And, I believe that Cutler’s agent Bus Cook saw his big paycheck getting pushed back. And, seeing that he doesn’t have many big ticket clients—Brett Favre not withstanding—he fanned the flames of revolt for Cutler. The thing I have a problem with Cutler about is his disengenousness about what his motivations really were. And, his apparent lies about trying to call Bowlen and McD back when you just know that he probably didn’t. I side with Bowlen ane McD on that. When a guy can’t man up and act like an adult without his agent to hold his hand for meetings (face to face or by phone) you just have to call him for what he really is, a gutless coward!
what Fatsis said.....
" - What I know based on talking to some of my former Broncos colleagues is that, well before this drama erupted, Cook and Cutler wanted to renegotiate the quarterback’s six-year contract, which has three years left. The current deal included $15 million in guaranteed payments. Cutler was paid a $1.275 million roster bonus in 2006 and a $7.9 million option bonus in 2007. But his base salaries are, by Pro Bowl-quarterback standards, meager, and a $12 million performance bonus isn’t due until 2011.
Ted Sundquist, the Broncos’ general manager when I was with the team, told me at the time that, because of the large lump-sum, back-end payout, the contract would probably be restructured before it expires. He said Bus Cook also expected that to happen. Did Cutler and Cook manufacture their hurt feelings over McDaniels’s trade talks and the coach’s subsequent ineffectual spin in an effort to get a new contract now, or get to another city that would give them one? I don’t know. But they certainly saw an opening. – "
Regarding the Goodman’s; speaking in a general sense, cronyism had become a problem in the organization, IMO, as Shanahan gradually replaced people with ‘his’ people in order to rectify problems. Control is not necessarily a cure but there are few people who have authority that refrain from extending their control when there’s a justification. I see as a dynamic involved in both the vertical and horizontal growth in a bureaucracy. Bowlen alludes to this problem when he states that he wants to “streamline” the GM position.
One component of the Xanders promotion that’s been missed, often because critics want to blame McDaniels for everything and it’s easier if they dismiss Xanders’ involvement, is that he is a rising star that we didn’t want to lose. SEE RMN excerpt.
" – The promotion likely also allowed the Broncos to keep Xanders in their building. Xanders, who interviewed with the Packers just before joining the Broncos last May, has drawn interest from several teams around the league, including the St. Louis Rams in recent weeks. - "
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
Understand your points of view here but
what bothers me is the idea that it is an “either/or” crowd here. i.e., that people are either “drinking the kool-aid” (and I wonder if I’m the only one who finds that phrase itself offensive?) or are totally hating on the team. What I see from most posters here is a lot of in-between. I am optimistic about the Broncos future, I’ll admit. Does that mean I’m “drinking the kool aid”? No, it does not. (sorry to do the Jim Tracy self-interview for a second, hah). I have my worries about the team at present, and I think those worries get talked about, debated, discussed here. I had more worries with last year’s team than this year’s, despite losing Cutler, because it was the first team I literally had to stop watching. The atrocious defense and the ineffective offense were both embarrassing. This year the team clearly has flaws and is probably a couple of years away from being a real contender, but I see a plan, direction, and some very good young players mixed in with some vets I love, like Brian Dawkins and Andre Goodman.
I do not like to be lumped into a “kool aid” drinking group who are the Pollyannas of the world, who do not see the negatives or things to be worried about, because that does not describe me and frankly does not seem to describe the guys who write for this blog either. Just because we’re cautiously optimistic does not mean we are being unintelligent about where the team stands. And again, none of what we say here, or what the media says means anything compared to the Broncos’ wins and losses. That’s where things get answered, on the field.
But I am cautiously optimistic. i do not like kool-aid. And because I also appreciate the people who are more worried or critical, too, because I know where they’re coming from, I would not insult them by calling them out for it, as long as there is rational reasoned thought behind it. Thanks.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Aug 31, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me be counted as having voted "Excellent"
I don’t care what site is under scrutiny: One can find things they like and things they don’t like so much. With that in consideration, this is the best news/message site I have seen anywhere (and I speak as a founder of another successful site).
I just got through posting a searing commentary on those who would bash other posters or the site itself instead of sticking to an issue, and that is the only thing that has managed to dampen my enthusiasm here. Now, if those people will straighten up their act and either shape up their posting or get out, this site could be scintillating experience all around for all of us . . .
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I have also seen people claim they are being attacked
or flamed, etc. when they are just being disagreed with.
I appreciate this site in that a lot of people have reasonable, logical debates and discussions. But if you just HAVE to be right and any disagreement in a reply is considered being flamed or attacked, then there’s nothing that will change that perception.
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
Guru can tell the difference between disagreement and harrassment.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
I’ve been Broncos fan since Elway’s times. Early this year I was roaming the (World) Wide Web, hungry for more information and analysis on the Broncos. There was so much going on, I needed more then press releases to understand it all. And I’ve lived outside of Colorado for about 10 years now, so I don’t get local coverage.
I’m really happy I discovered MHR. MHR-U is awesome and other analysis is amazingly deep. That said, when I first started reading this site, I too had an impression that it was directly fed by the team.Later I concluded it was because MHR leaders bought into McD so completely, and not because they were team stooges. Glad I stayed long enough. But I can understand why people may have first impression like that.
Are you in Staten Island?
Jersey here…..
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
SI in your name
tipped it off
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I wanted to vote an F-
because this place deserves worse than an F.
No free beer and you expect a good grade… phht…
;)
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Aug 31, 2009 11:46 AM MDT reply actions
I voted B, but not for the information in the fan posts.
I would like to think that I’m a reasonable commenter, with a little Kool Aid in me, but not enough to be blindsided by what’s reality.
I am guilty of not abiding by those rules all the time, and I will work to change that.
The trolls that come in here are 90% why I break the rules when I do. Not that it’s right, but trollage has gotten worse on this site now than when the Cutler fiasco went down. There are a few people that I’ve had big differences with (GeoMak, I’m looking at you), but I think we’ve managed to resolve them for the most part.
Again, sorry for not always abiding by the rules, and I will make an effort to change it.
On the lighter side though, this site has become less of a fan site and more a knowledge base about football. I love it. MHR-U, Mythology, ST&NO, Horse Tracks…all that stuff makes the day seem less tiresome and drab.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
I voted A
because I love this site. Period. But, you’re right about everything else you said and I too, will look to be better. It’s just tough sometimes. All in all, great job guys, and that’s to everyone here involved.
Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!
i voted B
Only because I want Guru to keep working at improving this site. ;-)
I have told all my friends this is the best spot on the web or radio or TV bar none. I even told Woody Paige that. To which he replied the equivalent of Bah Hum Bug.
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
I emailed Woody today...
it’s not pretty though. One line was “You’re one McNickname away from being guilty of slander, which IS illegal if you don’t know”
and that’s one of the lighter points I made to him. hahah
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
Let me know
his reply
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Woody doesn't care lol . . .
In fact, it probably serves as encouragement. Columnists such as he love such controversy. It keeps people reading their columns . . .
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
I remember when he would
write me and thank me so much for his column and stuff. Then after Cutler we went separate ways and lets just say we don’t talk like we used too ;-)
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
For a second there
I thought you were ghostwriting his stuff! LOL!!!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
that hurts
but it is why I corrected. I didn’t want that reputation ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions
MHR is the pinnacle of Broncos news, insight, and conversations.
I’m happy I found this place. Over the past decade, I used to rely on the Rocky Mountain News and the DP for my Broncos’ news (along with the rest of the MSM sites). Of course, I avoided most comments sections due to the amount of d-baggery going on.
I am usually more of a lurker than a frequent poster here, due to me being burned out posting frequently at alt.sports.football.pro.denver-broncosback in the 90s. Compared to that unregulated, Broncos-hating, porn-spammed messageboard, MHR is paradise.
I appreciate the moderation in the comments section. There’s only so much negativity I can take before I strain a muscle rolling my eyes.
I’m all for demanding a winning season and a shot at the SB year after year, but my Koolade cup is still half full. After a decade of mediocrity, I’m willing to put up with a few more bumps in an attempt to overhaul our stagnant system. Many powerhouse teams in pro sports right now have dealt with less-than-mediocrity recently. Pittsburgh Penguins from 01-06 were a joke, finishing last every year in their division How about the Boston Celtics from 93 to 04?
At least most of us have seen and can remember the Broncos and Johnny Legend winning the Super Bowl twice in our lifetime. How about all of those 30-something and younger Chiefs, Raiders and Chargers fans? What are their fond memories? You whiners needs some retrospection.
by SinDonor on Aug 31, 2009 12:12 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm big on voicing my honest opinion short and sweet usually
So here you go. I give the site a “C”. The community is full of superb fans. This is the third time this year I’ve seen a post like this sending out warnings to people on how you run the site. It seems each time it is said “this will be the last time”.
More action and less talk would be good at this point, Guru. If you are going to crack down, then crack down. You’ve made your point known about how you want this site to work. Make it work that way and for goodness sake, make sure you follow the guidelines you’ve laid out.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Aug 31, 2009 12:14 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Tolerance
What you are really saying is that people should be tolerant, and I agree. Some of us vary on our opinions depending on the topic, but lately people have been breaking people into varying camps and strident positions. Sometimes commentators will make wonderful points, then stick some nasty comment at the end pointed at people perceived to be on the other end of the Bronco political spectrum.
I am less optimistic about the Broncos due to flaws that I think McDaniels needs to address with how he is dealing with others, and his maturity, but I could clearly see how others may disagree. I state my views. Generally, most people will back off when they unintentionally insult me and we all get caught up in the argument of the moment.
Let’s be tolerant of one another and hopefully we all can be drinking Orange Crush, no matter which company produces it.
I really want the nasty divisiveness to go away, but respectful disagreement should always be welcome here and I think generally it is.
by Baltimore Bronco on Aug 31, 2009 12:16 PM MDT reply actions
Man, sometimes I regret ever starting that 13-3 gag.
My intent was really just to have a little fun. If I had known it was going to end up being such a hot button issue I would have just wrote a post about how bad the faders are. :P
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
you and 50,000 other Bronco fans
would write that about the Faiders ;-)
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions
So, Al Davis
after years of mediocrity following a brief stint under Gruden, had finally assembled a team worthy of the old Silver and Black glory once again. All he needed was a great QB to put his new squad over the top. One day, while watching CNN, Davis spotted footage of a young Chechnyan rebel fighting Russian soldiers with great skill and mobility. The rebel could hurl grenades with great distance and accuracy. Al told one of his scouts, “Find that young man. I think we have our future QB.”
So, long story short, in fairy tale fashion, the Raiders find the young Chechnyan rebel, teach him the wonderful game of NFL football, and within a few seasons he leads the Raiders to a SB victory! After the SB win, the young Chechnyan received a call from his mother. But to his surprise, the call is not congratulatory.
“I’ll never forgive you for abandoning us like this,” his mother began. “Our house was burned down. Your brother has been shot. All of us have been robbed at least twice in the last few days,” she continued. “I will never forgive you for moving us to Oakland.”
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 31, 2009 12:50 PM MDT up reply actions 10 recs
Another ; )
A teacher asks her class to share what their fathers do for a living. As the children were taking turns sharing she noticed that Timmy was being unusually quiet. She asked him "Timmy what does your dad do for a living?"Timmy replies, "My dad takes off his clothes for other men." Shocked, she quickly changes the subject and after class pulls Timmy aside."Timmy is it true what you said about your father?", she asks.
"No, my dad plays football for the Raiders, I just couldn’t stand letting all the other kids know that."
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
I'll give you the 5th rec
How funny!
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
Wait......
this is fiction?
Darn
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Besides myself, does anyone at MHR routinely challenge McDaniels? Names please?
Could I be less abrasive with my dislike of what I perceive to be the coddling McDaniels gets here at MHR, yes I could. I’ll work on that. I’ve already cut down on the swearing and I’ve backed my views with logic and facts. Both of which have received positive feedback. I’m not trying to stir the pot, I’m very intent on challenging what McDaniels has done to our team. A team I think is worse today than they were in 2008. If my abrasiveness gets in the way of that, then I get you guys focusing on the non football issues. When Denver plays as poorly as they did last night, I would like to see some contemplation and a critique the problems facing our Broncos. After last night, these problems are obvious and many. That was a 4-12 Bronco team I watched last night.
The game last night was exactly what I was worried about when we traded Cutler. Our new QB is a dink and dunk guy that hasn’t shown any ability to push the ball down the field or put points on the board. As teams crowd the line, our running game is impacted by more men in the box. Orton’s inaccurate throw to a wide open Scheffler last night was a precursor to what I worry is to come. From what I see, Orton is physically limited and I don’t recognize the cerebral facet of his game people keep insisting is there, nor the accuracy. Furthermore, Eddie Royal and Stokley are awfully small to have running so many short routes that lead to hits by LBs and DEs as well as CBs and safeties. If teams are putting more guys in the box, our WRs are going to take some big shots if they keep running abbreviated routes. I thought we had a really good young offense in 2008 that was better health and more experience from being a Top 3 offense in the NFL in 2009 and beyond. Our current offense doesn’t have the look of a Top 15 unit and last night, they looked poorly coached.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
I, for one, was not a huge fan of the Seahawks trade...
Though that cannot be totally attributed to McDaniels. I, rather, will focus on his coaching decisions since he is the coach. The Cutler situation, the way I BELIEVE it happened, I support. I’m sorry.
I’m glad you are willing to see things the way I am seeing them from a website standpoint. Thank You.
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McGeorge I too found it intersting
That he kept Orton throwing short passes. When Tom B had to take over I seemed to see more shots down field. That pass to McKinley other than being a little short was quite a throw. But Ya McGeorge I’m with you on htis one. I would have thought they would at least try to loosen up the D with some longer shots with Orton. Unless McDaniels is trying not to tip his hand. Who knows I just found it interesting
Maybe he's trying to keep Orton's arm healthy?
I know his accuracy is a question mark on the deep ball, so maybe they don’t want to risk him running up INT’s until he gets his accuracy up to par. I too am curious as to why Tom B aired it out (pretty nicely I might add) and Orton didn’t get a chance to. I know the Patriot way is one of secrecy and making people think they have you pinned when in reality they don’t have a clue.
Time can only tell McG, time can only tell. Although, to be fair, I don’t think it’s right for anyone to dismiss our long ball game completely. At some point this year, KO’s gonna have to throw a long bomb (40 yards or more) and I don’t think it’ll be as bad as people think it will be right now. The waiting game is killing me nonetheless though.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
In six quarters, I have not seen Orton throw one accurate pass longer than 10 yards. I’ve only seen him attempt three or four. If the preseason is for working on the things you need to improve, this tells me Orton is either excellent at the medium and long ball or it’s not going to be part of our arsenal of plays.
If we rely solely on the short passing game, we’ll need depth at WR because guy like Royal, Stokely and BM are going to take a ton of hits from bigger boys than opposing CBs. A lot bigger. I saw Royal barely avoid an ILB’s massive blow to Royal’s hip when we played Seattle.
After last night’s game, our offense is more of a question mark than our defense. Based on the players we have on our roster, that is totally unacceptable and falls on the coach. Orton has lead Denver to 13 total points in six quarters. Based on that, we are averaging less than 9 points per game.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
To be fair
His one mid-range completion last night, to Eddie, was right on the mark, I thought. He had another mid-range attempt that sailed wild that I remember.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 31, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
That 11 yard pass to Royal with excellent protection and a wide open WR hardly qualifies as a hard throw. Heck, I would have made that throw.
Orton has wowed me with two or three throws all preseason and made me shake my head in disgust at least 10 times, probably more. He has underperformed expectations. So has McDaniels. The team I saw in week one looked as good if not better than the team I saw last night (and we were at home no less).
Orton is failing the eye ball test. More importantly, he is failing on the score board and the W-L column. We should be worried about this guy.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Don't get me wrong
Orton has shown me very little so far as well. I just thought the pass to Eddie, which Royal turned into a bigger gainer, was OK. Although he did have happy feet before he threw it.
I don’t know how much of the offensive underwhelmedness is due to Orton’s limitations and how much of it is due to our new “revolutionary” offense under McD? I did find it strange that Brandstater was able to make some plays out there, as did Simms in week one.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 31, 2009 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I just think either McDaniels
is a poor judge of talent or he has something up his sleeve. I strongly lean to the latter
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by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm honestly beginning to worry a bit about the offense
After last week I wasn’t worried at all…but I’m hoping McDaniels is keeping Orton from throwing the long ball on purpose. We’ll have to see. If we have nothing but screens, dump offs, and the running game, it is going to be a very long season. We do NOT have a defense that will win us games…only a defense that looks like it can keep us in them.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
Raising My Hand
Yes, I think I have that reputation.
It’s not that I can’t like McDaniels, I think he is pretty smart and analytical. My concern is an overabundance of confidence in his own judgments and some lack of maturity in certain ways he deals with certain situations. Still, he does some things right. I generally liked his draft choices although I thought he got a little gambling happy in the 2nd round this year. I like some of the coaches he assembled. I don’t like the abundance of 2nd string Patriot additions, any more than I cared for Lou Saban liking all things Buffalo, Reeves enjoying Dallas retreads, or Shanahan trying to capture 49er halos. I really wish he would lose the hoodie, because he does look like he is imitating his mentor.
My hope is that McDaniels can mature and become his own guy, a Bronco guy. Other coaches did and I hope he can.
by Baltimore Bronco on Aug 31, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
look at the bright side Baltimore...
McDaniels hasn’t come in swinging crap around with division rivals (Rex Ryan in NY). I think he HAS to have some big confidence to be a head coach, but I don’t think he’s gone too far. Like every other coach, he’s doing what he feels is best to win. There’s nothing wrong with that, and some people will misconstrue that as blinded confidence. At least he’s not starting crap with division rivals and encouraging fist fights in practice.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
Who would want to harrass Tom Cable the Oakland THUG
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions
good comment
I think McDaniels contributed to the Cutler hysteria (and the divisiveness among Bronco fans) by the way he handled that situation and its aftermath. Even last night, McDaniels blamed his own team more than he credited Cutler. Silly. Its the fans who I think are most upset at the moment. Not so many people are upset with the Marshall situation, although I think a good intermediary might have helped even there.
You are right about division rivals. They don’t know us any more and that is probably a good thing. Our division may be our only salvation. There are glimpses of Denver getting its full act together. Peyton Hillis continues to awe, as does Eddie Royal. Great pieces for the football chessboard.
I want to focus on the future and put Cutler behind us. Josh could have done so last night with a nice gesture after the game or in his press conference. Instead we get more of the talking hoodie and how the team didn’t execute his plan properly. You can be a brilliant coach, but at some point if you don’t take some of the blame when things go wrong and put it on your own back, you lose credibility. I thought he missed a golden opportunity last night to put Cutler in the rear view mirror by being a class act himself. How much would it have hurt him to admit, “Jay Cutler was on fire for that two minute drill before the half!” Instead we got minimization of that and no comment about Orton’s finger. Give me a break, you could at least say, cut to the finger, no broken bones… Its childish, in my humble opinion.
by Baltimore Bronco on Aug 31, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
We all know McDaniels
Keeps things close to the vest (i.e.medical reports) so I am pretty sure he has things he is working on in practice to completely surprise the Bengals Browns and Raiders
"Time wounds all heels" Groucho Marx
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Baltimore Bronco, TheWad, Bob in Boulder, MTFBroncoFan
all routinely criticize McDaniels/the direction of the team. Not as frequently as you do, true. But they are still here, nonetheless.
And I’m still waiting on that Fanpost detailing the first half of your signature… :)
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 31, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions
The above is to McGeorge
Sheesh, I wish there was a more convenient setup for threads…
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 31, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Here is why I am slow to criticize yet
Gary Kubiak.
Remember the absolute beating he took for over a year. How could he pass up Reggie Bush and Vince Young? Only a fool would do that.
The “fool” chose Mario Williams.
The ’Fool" was right all along.
Thats how I feel about the Cutler trade, Kyle Orton and our draft choices. What looks bad right now might look great if things develop.
As fans we want that immediately. Kubiak got a national butt kicking and was mocked in a lot of places. I felt bad for the guy.
Ain’t nobody gonna trade Mario for Vince and Reggie right now.
Some things take real time.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Aug 31, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Casserly was gm
I remember watching this on SC. Apparently it was Casserly that made that call, not Kubiak. But I agree with what you are saying. Give the man some time.
Take my advice, I'm not using it !!!
I challenge McDaniels as well, to great distress from those who dislike debate.
the Cutler move was the right one, as painful as it is to send talent away. He was a ceiling on this team as long as he was here…but also a floor too. both are gone now, and I suspect we’ll be testing the lack of floor before we cross the ceiling again.
I’m still waiting for Alphonso Smith to, you know, show something that made him worthy of a 1st rounder — one that looks higher every game I watch and story I read. Ditto for Robert Ayers. Ditto for Knowshon. Did anyone else watch Orakpo the last few weeks? I’m still so disappointed at passing on him.
But other than all of that
how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln? ;)
Phons is going to need to be really good to great. Especially if he ends up costing us a franchise QB.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 31, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
imo, yes, Cutler
However, that was not what I was talking about. I meant if we end up losing a high first rounder in 2010 and that guy ends up being a franchise qb. Steep price to pay for a nickel cb, no?
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 31, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Also that CB got burned by the 5th rounder we gave the Bears. Just sayin…
by legendarywalton on Aug 31, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh what a tangled web
McD weaves! LOL. Didn’t know that. That’s a nice kick to the groin. Thanks.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Aug 31, 2009 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, believe it or not, I have been quietly questioning McDaniels for some time.
I regret at times creating the La La Land theme—it was meant for fun and just somehow caught fire.
I recentley did a post that drew almost no rec’s but well over a hundred comments. I stated then that if McD actually instructed players, “Not to act happy if Brandon is acquitted,” that this is a poison that really makes me want to puke.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Mike....
All I can say to your last sentence is McDaniels had nothing to do with it. Trust me.
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Guru, Who told the players not to be happy?
or did it even happen?
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
I wish I could say more...
I really do. I do know the situation had nothing to do with McDaniels…The guy is busy coaching his football team.
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Thanks John,
It drops a very big ‘poison’ that had me disheartened.
Which is not easy to do…
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
I voted A
I consider myself to still be a “newbie” with regards to commenting and only 1 post to my credit so I try to limit my input, while watching and learning from y’all…However, I am not a new Bronco Fan…I lived in the Denver / Boulder area from ‘72 through ’80 and have been in my native California since…I have been frustrated for years on end, not having any real source (other than MSM) for my Bronco (any information) fix…When I discovered MHR I was thrilled beyond description and I look forward daily, to see what is new and what y’all have to say about it…
I’m glad to have MHR and I continue to be amazed by the articles, Fan Posts, and comments alike…
I would just like to add that we all need to remember that we are talking, reading and writing about a game…I come here to have fun, and learn, and get informed, and then consider other’s opinions…Many of you, on numerous occasions, have helped me to see points of view that I may never have considered and for that I am grateful…
Thanks All…You too McGeorge…(Prater, so far so good?)
Mike?…Can I have another shot please…13-3 Baby (until reported otherwise)
What The Heck?
How did this post turn into a discussion of last night’s game? Isn’t that called thread-jacking?
I thought the same thing
I recommend McGeorge start writing his evaluations as FanPosts, as he does a good job as a Devil’s advocate (I think the term realist is awfully cocky). Most of his initial comments are long enough, they are often barely related to the original post, and they tend to prompt a lot of discussion (although attacking comments sometimes prompt the most discussion, like todays).
McGeorge writing his own posts might be exactly what those with pessimistic points of view are asking for, and it could help keep the optimistic views honest. The only caveat I would attach is, please don’t use the fanposts as a platform to attack other users or their views, if you have a good point, you won’t need to.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Aug 31, 2009 11:12 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I voted A also
I’m a football idiot. I watch the games, am happy when we win, and sad when we lose. This is a great place to get some different insight. Maybe I’ve become a kool-aid drinker (I hate the grape flavor btw), but this is really the only place I’ve found where I can see a positive spin. This SHOULD be a place where broncos fans can escape all the negative spin of the MSM. If I wanted to read a bunch of bronco bashing, I could look at the comment section of just about any of the other sites. We haven’t looked stellar to this point, but it’s still nice to go to a site that says, “yeah, but here are some positives thus far”. Maybe others feel the way I do, so perhaps that’s why those with only negatives to post (ie "The broncos stink! The offense is vanilla and boring!), don’t always get the warmest reception. I’m with BroncoSense72….13-3 baby until we lose our 4th.
I love this site!
Until a few months ago I looked at this site as another annoying banner add on the bottom of the page the Yahoo sports page.
Then one day there was a title that caught my eye…Dont entirely remember the post…the part i do remember is the fact that it suggested that it had more current info or insight into the Cutler trade.
After that….I kept coming back checking out posts until finally I decided to join in the discussions.
This site is a breath of fresh air!
Ive learned a lot about this team since that fateful day clicking on the MHR link.
Love it…info here is great! Love reading a different perspective.
"Iron sharpens Iron."
My favorite teams are:
Broncos
and anyone playing against Da Bears!
I too hate annoying banners on websites....
and I too occasionally end up clicking one or another. :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Call me an optomist
When I found out about this website I looked it up and really enjoyed it, shortly there after I joined. Previous to this I was registered with the Rocky and the Post, and while I did contribute to the blogs I got tired of the unecessary negatives and personal attacks that seem to flourish on those sites. Espn is the same way and will I like spirited exchanges between members and members who support other teams, there has to be a conduct limit somewhere. After all one of my best friends is a Charger fan and the other is a Steeler fan, there is always a spirtited exchange!! It is great the way this site helps get out dialogue between members along with great articles and posts. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and idea’s. Very seldom do I not find something that I never thought about or agree with in everyones posts, there are many angles to view these situations from and sometimes our own prejudice gets in the way of seeing the whole picture clearly. As a former athlete and coach I see things in different ways than some, it does not mean a better perspective, but a diiferent perspective. I also have three kids that are very athletic and play varsity level at three sports, this also provides perspective because watching their struggles to get to where they are is tougher as a parent that being a player ever was. Sorry about going on about me but I think that this website deals with individuals with great knowledge of the game, and that is why I am here thanks for a great website that is a pleasure to be on and be part of.
As a fan from another team
I have been reading your posts for months here since the Cutler trade and in my opinion you have an excellent site. You have great posts from your team running the website and many insightful things about the game of football which makes for an enjoyable read. Your technical content is far greater than ours at WCG which we could learn from and you have many knowlegeable readers. The only downside is the kool aid thing from an objective reader. It’s overwhelming. There is nothing wrong with objectivity as long as it is respectful and not inciteful. We have disagreements at WCG all the time but they never turn into these flame throwing sessions like here because you don’t pull for the other point of view. In fact we were discussing trading Urlacher today because he hasn’t been performing up to snuff. Not that we don’t love what he has done for the organization or that we don’t love our team (we do!), but no one crucified us for bringing that up claiming we aren’t real fans. Anyways, you have a great site and it is fun to read. The TSG guy has a great thing going here so keep up the good work and hopefully our site can learn a few things from yours!
Cheers and good luck this season
See you in the Super Bowl…
… in two years! ;-)
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
The flamethrowing sessions
The flamethrowing sessions have more to do with the state of the fans than with this site. These are trying times for all Broncos fans. The fan base is still divided over the Cutler fiasco. There are 2 main groups (pro McD & anti-McD). The pro McD group for the most part places the majority of the blame for the Cutler fiasco squarely on Cutler. The anti-McD group places the majority of the blame on McD. The disagreements quickly escalate into flame throwing sessions primarily because of this divide. It is still far more civil here than at any other Broncos site I have seen. Pre Cutler-gate it wasn’t like this at MHR and I assume that this aspect will fade given time.
Just imagine what WCG would be like if next year Lovie gets fired, Cutler doesn’t like the new coach and throws a major fit demanding he be traded meanwhile cutting off communication between the himself and the organization. The owner then pulls the trigger on the trade. Such circumstances would strain the members of WCG as well.
Given time, MHR will return back to normal concerning disagreements among it’s members. For many fans, the wounds just haven’t healed yet. Once McD starts winning ball games the fan base will unite again. If he doesn’t get it done, then we will unite in the other direction. I have full confidence in Bowlen. He will give McD a fair chance (more than 1 season), but he will not be afraid to pull the plug if McD’s not cutting it as the Head Coach of the Denver Broncos.
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
by c_style on Aug 31, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yep, I meant to state that in my original post
that I am sure I cannot comprehend the emotional state the fandom has to be in trading away a star player, especially the QB position.
Who voted F???
Why would someone go to a site repeatedly, and even register on it, if they think it’s terrible?
It’s like taking a bite into a sandwich and findind that it tastes revolting, only to take another bite. “Is that rotten?” Chomp retch, “Oh this is so gross,” Chomp.
I logged back in for the express purpose of making much the same comment . . .
Those who voted D and F . . . um, why are they here?
Just saying . . .
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
They did it on purpose
Someone beat me to it but yeah, fans of other teams. That’s cool. The regulars know what we have here and whether we all agree on the way things are with our Broncos or not I think most agree this is the best place to talk about it.
by TheMastermind on Aug 31, 2009 7:44 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I voted D
I think it is pretty clear that the qualuity of posts and of discourse has diminished over the past few months to the point that my visits to MHR have become few and far between. As an exmple of the downhill trend, I just finally saw someobdy link to a Rick Reilly article from Friday that states that he has three sources telling him that Cutler called Bowlen back. I have no doubt that if that article vindicated Bowlen and McDaniels it would have been on the front page.
Hopefully some sanity will return once the regular season begins and I will check in now and again to see if that is the case, but I have my doubts.
It was linked to over the weekend as well.
I’m sorry you feel the way you feel and hope you find what you are looking for somewhere else….
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Not sure how I missed it cuz I came to look :)
But that was just an example of a more general feeling, and I actually apologize because in using that example I really singled out the front page posters which was not my intent at all.
The only reason I even replied initially with my vote was to counter the idea that anyone unhappy with the site must be a fan of another team.
You guys keep doing what you are doing and I will see you in 2013 after Bowlen has canned Joe Ellis and whatever coach Ellis has chosen to replace McDaniels :)
Hey, Matt. Personally, I missed Reilly’s column and would have linked it in Horse Tracks sooner, had I seen it. I think it’s important to note that it was under the ESPN The Mag header, and therefore didn’t/doesn’t come up on ESPN.com – there are only so many places I can search each day for Broncos/NFL news and actually have a day job, too. I personally assure you there was no intent to omit Reilly’s column from Horse Tracks. I think my daily work is pretty objective and I do not simply shun any negative opinions. I’m not a La-La-Lander by any means.
by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 1, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Three sources?
Could they be Bus Cook, Jay Cutler, and Jay Cutler’s Mom? :P j/k
I don’t really care what the truth is in that situation. It’s over and done with…what I care about now is my football team, of which, Cutler is not a part of. I hope he fails only because he failed us in 2008. I am a Bronco fan first and Cutler blew a chance for the playoffs last year and that is unforgivable. He embarrassed us along with Shanny…I’m glad they all got the boot.
I just hope that our team can keep around .500 this season, since that would be a major boost going into 2010. If we fail in 2009, then we could easily spiral out of control. It is imperative that we stay average this year…
I hope you stick around MattR…I’ve missed your insights.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The main reason the Cutler story is relevant
Is because if Pat Bowlen is losing his memory that has a direct effect on the Broncos – whether that means Bowlen is making mistakes or if it means he is turning control of the team over to others.
We don't know the whole story...
how do we know if Cutler didn’t insult Bowlen personally? There is a lot of unknowns. I’d rather focus on the known, which is McD less Cutler and Nolan less Webster. ;-)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
There is no doubt our offense is going to suffer without Cutler,
but our defense looks a lot better. I just want to focus on my team for 2009…Cutler is gone and he aint coming back. I need to move on from that…..
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Wait...
Did Nolan run Webster out of town? Did I miss something? j/k
Webster surely made a hit during practice and his helmet flew off, he when he went to go grab it but some man with candy lured him into his car. No one has heard from him since.
The real question though is, how do we get the man with the candy to go after Merriman? Or maybe pick us up a QB that isn’t broken?
P|L|H
by Love Hope Hero on Sep 1, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions
New here
I decided to to come over to check out MHR after growing tired of all of the vitriol so prevalent in the forums at DP. I’m happy to see this debate happening today, although I see some of the usual DP suspects lurking about here. I’ll definitely be checking back in. It seems people need to learn the difference between debating and arguing, or criticism and abject hatred. It’s not the differing opinions, people, it’s the self-righteous ranting and the constant repetition of duly-noted opinions that gets old…and quickly at that.
Welcome Korilla!!!
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I agree, the repeat comment are so tedious
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Aug 31, 2009 11:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I need to explain La La Land
First off I would like to thank Guru for not banning me from the site, second I would like to thank all the positive-only and the realist members that have made it a very fun site to read.
La La Land is short for, “La-La-Land-of-Pre-Season-Feel-Goods,” it is not a ticket for checking your brain out with a mouse-click, it was meant to keep things positive during Pre-Season or tough times. You have to understand how bewildered I was by the total meaningless negative peeuuke that I was bombarded with (when I first discovered this ‘blogging-thing’) at the MSM newspaper sites. I had such a bad experience that I thought this ‘blogging thing’ was for idiots and worse.
La-La-Land-of Pre-Season-Feel-Goods is something I started using in comments and posts to fight off some negative something that had wandered into the site. The funny thing is—I can’t remember what it was. I just know that it became my shield whenever someone attacked me. Then something happened….enter Zappa…MHR’s historian.
Zappa apparentley got bored one afternoon and decided to write a ‘Constitution for La La Land.’ You gotta love Zappa. I may have stacked the wood—but he threw on the gas and lit the flame—the rest is history….
This comment is getting a bit long….I think I’ll stop here and maybe do a post with the rest.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Yeah, you did start the La La Thing, but I am already regretting fanning those flames with that first post. lol
if people only knew how it was all in good fun…not serious at all.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
My first post!
The only bad thing about the articles written here is that they end.
Thank you very much
by Utah Broncos fan on Aug 31, 2009 8:17 PM MDT reply actions
Welcome Utah!! You'll love it here!
I was born in Utah, live in Washington, and from Idaho.
Not sure how this is….it just is.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
guys....
is it a bad thing to be the 666th vote on this poll?
fader nation is a conquered nation
Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!
Mark of the Beast? aka Brandon Marshall? :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
I wanted a guy that lived football 24/7
That’s why Elway was never that good – b/c he had that car dealership thingy.
For those new to the site, welcome
This is the best place to find all your Bronco news rather than deal with the MSM. You new guys will be hooked and will never want to leave. I stumbled on this site by listening to MHR Radio and I don’t know what I would do without this site because the media people just are too freakin annoying. And you get writers here that you can learn a lot from.
- Bronco fan site = MHR….end of discussion.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Crap it left out the number sign in front of the 1.
GO BRONCOS IN 2009 AND BEYOND!!
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
I must say...
I love the site for what it is and hold no really hostility about any of it but there have definitely been times where I felt as though some people would get so defensive about any remark questioning McDaniels. I have never liked the way he handled things with Cutler and it seemed as though people took the stance that McDaniels’ words were true and Cutler’s words were lies and it does get irritating when you try to make a point and end up feeling like you’re talking to a wall. I guess that’s the way some people have viewed being a fan I just always feel the need to question things. Like the Bowlen short term thing, it wasn’t being sold as fact but an interesting opinion but everyone got so bent out of shape, like he couldn’t be forgetting important things. Stuff happens, I’m not saying I believe it but I won’t rule it out. I do think Bowlen’s decisions have been questionable but I don’t think he’s a problem. I just think that if you are going to attack an opinion you should have facts, because opinions can be wrong, (not always but when under informed) but there is no good reason to attack and opinion with an opinion. That has been the sad part of this site. You can have different opinions but without a fact you can’t have the better opinion or be right. (An example of a fact, phone records you can see and read. | Saying, “I have phone records,” is not a fact until you show them to everyone. Sorry for the long winded post but it needed to be said I think, but then again I don’t always say what people want to hear so take it for what you will.
P|L|H
I'm sorry you feel that way....
All I can say is that the door swings both ways. If you ever feel attacked by anyone for expressing your opinion, please feel free to contact me.
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re: being attacked
I don’t think the issue is so much one of being attacked on a personal level for stating an opinion. It is more like the opinion is dismissed by a large majority because they are convinced that their own opinon is correct so they will not consider other possibilities. I don’t mean to speak for Love Hope Hero, but this part of the comment resonated with me
it does get irritating when you try to make a point and end up feeling like you’re talking to a wall
Matt, you and LHH are right
I have seen that happen here. Heck, I am probably guilty of it as well. At least as far as ignoring it and moving on. I don’t know how it could be fixed though because it seems to be a human condition that exists everywhere, whether it’s attitude or apathy.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
Here's the thing, though...
You obviously have an opinion on things, and for this example, I do as well. Certainly I respect your opinion, and I believe you respect mine, but that doesn’t mean I can change your mind and vice-versa. I get it that it can be frustrating to ‘swim uphill’ so to speak, and I hope when things calm down you can return.
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+1
I have to hunt down all the answers to my own salary cap questions! What you are doing to us is just cruel, Matt!
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 1, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions
There is such a thing as email ya know
There isn’t much to worry about with the cap this year anyway since the owners opted out of the CBA and once they do sign a new CBA all of my existing knowledge becomes outdated and useless :)
email, of course!
I figured wveryone had switched to twittering and email was a thing of the past!
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 2, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
That is pretty much it...
Well like I said I was tired and it might not have made a whole lot of sense but when groups of people use opinion (albeit popular) as fact to shoot down someone else opinion (worse someone else’s straight fact) it becomes clear that rationality has gone out the window. It’s fair to say sometimes it’s hard not to be irrational as a fan but it’s also disappointing to those of us that enjoy this community as a window to really talk about our team. I live in Los Angeles no one really wants to hear me talk about the Broncos.
No apologies are necessary, I am not upset with anyone or the site itself, I saw this as an opportunity to help people, myself included, understand what we are doing wrong here. For the most part this is a haven for Broncos fans everywhere, we have to keep it that way.
P|L|H
by Love Hope Hero on Sep 1, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
It's Fresh Air for Me
Guru….I get a great deal of insight and perspective hear from most of the posts it is refreshing! Keep it going!!!! Recd..
Thanks to everybody who makes MHR a fun and interesting site.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
I voted A
This is the best site on the web for BRONCOS news and insight. I try to resd all the comments I can, until people start bashing each other. Once I see that a TROLL has started posting, I syop reading. Hey GURU, how about a no feeding the trolls clause?
live and die blue and orange
It's hard...
because the definition of ‘troll’ is different for everyone. To me, a troll is someone who’s main goal is to bring the site and its members down. Not every fan of another team is a troll, not everyone who speaks poorly about the Broncos is necessarily a troll. Someone who’s main goal is to disrupt and antagonize, to me, is a troll and they will be dealt with swiftly!
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It makes it even harder
when posters with no history of trolling suddenly break out with trollish behavior. This place has felt like an asylum or prison at times this offseason, where critical breaking points just keep being reached on a daily basis.
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 1, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
we are both
on the same page about trolls. Are you going to the bungles game???
live and die blue and orange
Naw...
I think I have to bunker down and watch these games at home…..I have a feeling home might be the best place for me…
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Im going but
its free and im not sure if it will be worth the hour drive. Something needs to happen
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