With the most unbiased view I can have...
Last night was....well, to put it lightly "a work in progress". Some of you may know me as an optimist, to some I'm even a "Kool Aid fan" which in my opinion is just as much an insult as any McNickname. As we all saw last night, some things we are usually solid with took a step back (I'm looking at yellow laundry here). But, there are 3 things that have taken dramatic steps forward and I think it's fair that they are mentioned as well.
First thing: Quarterback play. No, KO didn't throw a TD pass which would have been sweet, but he didn't throw any INT's either. He's down from 1 against Seattle and 3 against SF. I'm not trying to sugarcoat his average performance, but we all need to recognize that it was average--not poor. Tom Brandstater has make marvelous steps forward from Seattle. The game seemed to slow down quite a bit for him this week and he managed things well, despite the INT. He did everything you can ask and expect a rookie to do: He shook off the inevitable mistakes, and didn't let them haunt him. If you're expecting a 200 yard, 3 TD, 0 INT game from a rookie in his second showing (with little to no practice with the first team), you're being too demanding of him. He's not going to have the game mastered in 2 weeks, and he will make improvements as time goes on. Expect a good game from him next week if he keeps it up.
Second: Running backs. Again, nothing outstanding last night, but I think it's pretty safe to say that we have a good running game and it will be used this season. Correll Buckhalter put on a good show that was far better than his previous games. He's making progress. Also, Darius Walker had a light up game last night that is being overshadowed and disregarded. That's not fair to him. He makes the team over Lamont Jordan at this point I'd say. He didn't seem to have the jitters that Jordan does and he attacks the hole with everything he's got. Again, expect him to have a good game next week. Also, last night was our first realistic glimpse (IMO) of what Hillis will do in this system. I plan on nabbing him in all my fantasy drafts because his RZ play is phenomenal. His KR and PR stuff was fun to see too.
Third: Secondary. I think we can all unanimously agree here that our secondary looks much better with Dawkins in the mix. He's the bone jarring, skull rattling guy that we all knew he'd be and despite his club hand, he tacked on 5 tackles and 1 assisted tackle in 2 quarters of play. Brian Dawkins is no doubt the life blood of our secondary. I was hoping to see better things from our secondary on short passing routes, and if I'm not mistaken, that's the responsibility of the LB's that drop back into coverage. I could be wrong on that, but I think that's who's at fault mostly for what happened there. Alphonso Smith is going to need to step it up if he plans on making the starting team at all this year. That play when he got burned on a 43 yard route was embarrassing for him. He didn't look up for the ball once. All in all though, mistakes have been corrected (Goodman and his coverage). Although not related to the secondary, Doom really impressed me last night. That guy ate Orlando Pace's lunch on pretty much every play. That was encouraging!
Thanks for reading guys, let's talk about it.
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Orton
So, you’re lauding Kyle Orton for playing the type of game everyone expected out of him the whole time? Safe, average, no turnovers. Sorry, but I have a very difficult time seeing this as a great step forward. His only two throws that were somewhat downfield were off-target, and everything else was a screen.
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he didn't make big plays
but he didn’t screw it up either.
If he doesn’t make big plays, then I would fully expect him to NOT screw it up.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
I agree with that
But playing not to screw up is very similar to playing not to lose. I’m not a fan of that mentality. Big plays do not occur if you aren’t willing to try. And while I have close to zero confidence in Kyle Orton, I would still rather see a conscious effort to make a big play every now and then and give the team a legit chance to win than a nice, safe error-free, excitement-free game. The running game may not be able to pick up the slack.
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to be honest
He wasnt asked to do much . I think the problems you have should directed towards McDaniels as he is the one calling the plays .
hes the one not calling any runs
hes the one calling the short passes and screens
Also people need to realize that we went from Royal,Gaffney,Stoke to Royal,Jackson, stoke
that changes the dynamics and the nuances of the passing game as Jackson is not nearly the route runner that Gaffney is and is not capable of lining up at all three wr positions like Gaffney is.
The Bears defense is a aggressive run to the ball type defense that can be beat with effective playaction but how can we use an effective playaction if we never run the ball ? Orton hit Royal for a nice 15+ yard game off of a good playaction fake .
There are not any qbs in the league who can overcome penalties that create 2nd and 3rd and long on the first 4 possessions.
The bears defense is designed to try and force those situations but the teams that can stay away from the penalties are able to move the ball and pull those LB’s to the LOS and then you are able to take your shots downfield .
The Game Manager.
He also helped the team score a whopping three points. Way to manage your way to a 17 – 3 blowout in the first half.
by legendarywalton on Aug 31, 2009 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions
how many penalties
did Orton manage to make?
We stunk plain and simple, but this game was not lost by Kyle Orton.
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by KaptainKirk on Aug 31, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed, but he consistently threw behind Eddie, and generally threw checkdowns. Maybe the happy feet don’t make a difference, but he still didn’t look comfortable in the pocket.
by legendarywalton on Aug 31, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
the rook looked more comfortable
:(
i think both orton and cutler were pretty nervous to play their old teams. cutler finally settled in and orton got injured. boo
by lolcopter on Aug 31, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not leading the receivers is bad yes
I know the pass to Buckhalter was a communication problem, the replay clearly showed that Orton passed it to the spot of a curl route, and C Buck broke left. I’m choosing to look at the checkdowns as an asset we did not have at the QB position last year. The happy feet in the Bears game was not as bad as in the two previous games, and I have rationalized that Kyle needs to trust his Line to protect him. This will take time. It kind of looks like he is nervous back there. His history has shown him to be a pretty tough player as he has played a half of a season with an injured leg. Plus, in this game he had as much happy feet as Peyton Manning shows every single game and quite a few people claim that he(Peyton) is re-aligning his feet to make the throw in a different direction. So I don’t know, but I have seen improvement in Kyle. I do think that our QB position is probably the weakest link and I’m eagerly anticipating what Josh can do with all of our QB’s.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
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No, it wasn't lost by Orton
However, he didn’t do anything to really help win it either. It is not the QBs job avoid losing games. The only time the phrase “the QB didn’t lose the game” is a positive is when it’s the Steelers or Raven’s defense carrying the load.
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by improv88 on Aug 31, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right
we failed to move the ball
0-6 on 3rd conversions
true, but how many of those 3 downs
were made harder by offensive penalties?
We did an awful lot of covering the same ground twice
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by Brian Shrout on Aug 31, 2009 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
What about comfort and development?
You know, sometimes I think we forget about the comfort and development level of QBs in new systems.
The more comfortable he gets in “managing the game,” the less energy and ‘mindspace’ that management will occupy. Over time, as that comfort grows, he will be able to focus on more things at once.
From that perspective, I think he is right where he needs to be. Asking someone to win a game by taking chances and going all-out before they are ready can destroy confidence and disrupt the natural progression of ones development.
by Mhantra on Aug 31, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Orton
reminds me of Brian Greise, but with more personality, and unfortunately, maybe even less arm strength and athleticism. I’m not sure if his personality is going to get the ball down the field.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
Arm Strength
Folks, I’m as bummed as everyone else here, and it’s plain that Orton will limit the offense in ways that will give us collective fits.
But I also saw him a good bit in Chicago, and people here have talked his arm strength down to preposterous levels. The idea that he can only throw screen passes is nuts. He has regularly thrown outs and seams, he throws over the middle plenty. Against Seattle there were plenty of plays where he threw the ball past the first-down marker.
Somehow we went from “he can’t throw a good deep ball” to “he has weak arm strength.” Those are different things, and his arm strength is good enough for short outs (which, you know, need a strong arm). Now we’ve gone from sub-optimal arm strength to “he cal only throw screen passes.”
I see 7-9 as the likely outcome this year and hope we’re pulling for Brandstarter, our new starter, sometime in mid-2010. I cringed when Cutler threw some of his customary down-field ropes. But come on, really, the guy is limited, but he’s not THAT limited.
I agree with you.
Some people are taking the notion that he can’t throw a dart 80 yards and assuming that means he can’t get deep throws off just as effectively. He will be fine, and so far, we haven’t even seen his long ball in the new system, so people need to jet back a bit and stop assuming it doesn’t exist. Maybe it does exist in this system and maybe he does throw for 4000 yards, 35 TD’s this year? What about “no long arm” then?
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
7-9 is about right
I agree. I just went through the schedule again and I think 7-9 is a fairly likely outcome. They’ll probably win a game or two they shouldn’t, but they’ll also probably lose a game or two that they should have won.
Tough to say
Looks like his lack of arm strength really hurts on 3rd and long. On those plays when dbacks can sit back by the 1st down marker a qb needs to be able to rifle it in to tight spots. At least in pre-season it looks like Denver is content to give up on drives in 3rd in long situations, run a screen and hope to get lucky. Reminds me of Griese days where Denver would drive down the field flawlessly until they got a penalty or Griese got sacked then the drive would be done.
I am hoping that they are just holding him back with pre-season play calling and the regular season offense will be quite different. This teams needs to win on offense backed by an average type defense. If this team tries to play conservative and lean on the defense to win games it will be ugly.
I agree that I'd like to see some long passes
but I believe I also read in MHR articles where the new offense was being analyzed and explained, that the idea behind the offense is to not have to face very many 3rd & longs. When the o-line settles down and quits the silly penalties, we’ll see the offense face fewer 3rd & longs (just my own opinion).
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by Brian Shrout on Aug 31, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
secondary
was great last night.
LB’s were horrible in coverage.
d line put little pressure on the qb.(cept Doom)
i think if Andra Davis is in the game he should be blitzing, not because he is agood blitzer but because he couldnt cover me. OLB’s look good.
running game minus knowshon is good, its only gonna get better.
no gaffney no marshall, id like to get Mckinley time on the first O. Chad Jackson was ok when he played Lloyd looked good too.
Quinn looked good as well, none of the young UFA’s at reciever did anything.
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Im drowning in all this Kool-aid
Well, Orton should of had at least one pick, Urlacher just dropped it
I agree with Bradistar, it looks like getting some extra work in practice helped alot, although, let’s also realize he was going up against a base defense of 2nd and 3rd stringers.
And I am glad you called out A. Smith, but again, this should be expected, he will not be able to survive man on man in the NFL, he is too slow, the play showed if you match him up one on one, most teams will run a go route an exploit the speed and size disadvantage.
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Johnny Knox
I don’t know if you’re being fair to Alphonso Smith. Although it’s true that Alphonso Smith was covering Johnny Knox when he ran his 9, I’m not sure if that’s because the Bears’ coaches saw a mismatch or if that’s the Bears’ staff best utilizing their personnel. Johnny Knox is burner – I believe he was one of – if not the - fastest receivers available in last April’s draft.
I’m not sure if you heard Collinsworth or Michaels mention it, but apparently, that’s not the first fly pattern that Knox has run this preseason. They might have asked him to run it regardless of who was covering him.
But who will guard the guards themselves?
by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 31, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Id like to see Orton throw some more deeper medium range balls
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