Horse Tracks 8/9/09 - Tuten pleased with new regimen

DP - Moreno passes physical, signs contract
Hopefully the staff doesn't rush Knowshon along; so many holdouts get hurt that way...
DP - Broncos running toward improvement
VERY interesting quotes from Rich Tuten. Apparently, he wasn't allowed to train the players the way he wanted to in recent years under Shanny. This year, players are working harder and stretching more, aiming to make recovery from games shorter and easier.
DP - Broncos' Royal receiving accolades
Klis profiles Eddie Royal, who says he aims to carry himself in the same manner as Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey did. He's packed on some muscle over the offseason, and Champ compares Eddie to Carolina's Steve Smith.
DB - NFL Referee Ed Hochuli Explains 2009 Rules Changes - Broncos TV
Hochuli goes over all of the rules changes in a presentation he gave the Broncos. It's a long, but interesting and informative video.
DB - Parker Placed on IR
The Broncos placed DT J'Vonne Parker on IR to make room on the roster for Knowshon.
SI - Nothing smooth so far for Denver coach Josh McDaniels - Don Banks
BDC - Broncos unknowingly reunite cousins
Andra Davis and WR Travis Shelton are cousins. But they grew up far apart and only saw each other at family reunions. Shelton is also a cousin of the Bears' Devin Hester.
LTC - Safety Dance - Brian Howell
Josh Barrett says he views the depth and competition at safety as motivation, and that he aims to be a difference-maker on special teams.
DP - Torain a veteran on rehab routine
Rulon Davis should return to practice soon, while Wesley Woodyard may get some time off to give his knee a break.
CSG - Broncos' Stokley is comfortable with his role - Frank Schwab
DP - It’s always about the QB - Jeff Legwold
DP - Cutler focuses on Broncos, Bears camps in clarifying comments
A little backpedaling by JC
DP - Klis: Cutler's fan ratings miss mark
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SDUT - Prospects for 2009 rest with the defense
SDUT - A more confident Cason puts on a show for fans at FanFest
ESPN - Cassel's presence impresses - John Clayton
KCS - Thomas' Hall of Fame enshrinement is our Lombardi Trophy - Jason Whitlock
KCS - One more big play for Derrick Thomas - Joe Posnanski
SI - Derrick Thomas' son Derrion keeps his legacy alive - Peter King
CCT - Raiders notebook: Cable to the running backs: You'd better block
CCT - Asomugha finds Hall of Fame tutor in Woodson
SFC - Shunned a season ago, Henderson set to star
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NFL - Holdout over: Falcons, WR White agree on six-year, $50 million extension
NFL - Seahawks rookie LB Curry signs six-year, $60 million deal, then practices
NFL - Not so fast: Giants, QB Manning still working out contract details
NFL - Eagles rookie TE Ingram likely out for season after tearing knee ligament
PFW - Audibles - Roethlisberger not popular with teammates
Yeah, but he has two rings...Plus, PFW was told that Crabtree and BMarsh need to grow up
ESPN - For this weekend, Canton is South Buffalo
Y! - Hayes' speed influenced offensive play-calling - Jason Cole
NFL - Loved ones give Hayes, Thomas their Hall of Fame moments - Thomas George
NFL - A day for Wilson, a day for Smith -- a hallmark day for Buffalo - Vic Carucci
Y! - Will receiving corps determine Giants' fate? - Charles Robinson
Y! - Manning starting to have things his way again - Mike Silver
SI - Chad Pennington looking strong at Miami Dolphins training camp - Andrew Lawrence
ESPN - Rams getting physical under Spagnuolo - John Clayton
NFL - Former Colt Unitas leads list of top-20 Hall of Famers - Jason La Canfora
Elway comes in at #13
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Klis made an interesting point
The Broncos were billed less in combined guaranteed money to Knowshon Moreno and Robert Ayers ($22.7 million) than the rival Raiders gave Darrius Heyward-Bey ($23.5 million) and the Chiefs paid Tyson Jackson ($31 million).
Not bad. Sure it would have been nice to have them in camp earlier, but even Jackson was a late arrival.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith giving the Kennison rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 9, 2009 8:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
1st round pick money myths.
I’m not sure how the falsehood became accepted that first round picks kill the salary cap, but this falsehood is wildly spread, even on MHR.
It’s really only the contracts of Top 7 or 8 overall picks that are completely out of control. Once you get deeper into the 1st round, the numbers start to make sense. Denver will LOVE having Clady on the roster at his salary cap hit for the next five years. LOVE IT. Same thing with the Cutler contract, Ligaments Out in San Diego, D. Ware in Dallas. Those are good deals for the team. Much better ones than 2nd round picks like Portis that outplay their deal and want to renegotiate before year 3.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 9, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
Which really kills the foolish argument that we shouldn’t have traded away next years first because it could have been a top 10 pick.
Still it should be noted that the second round really falls in price and offers even more amazing potential value.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Aug 9, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can always trade out of the Top 10. Just like the Browns just did.
And if Denver goes 8-8ish and gives away a pick in the 15ish range, they just gave up the ideal spot to draft with great value for the salary.
If trading away future #1s for 2nd rounders was a great strategy, I think you’d see 32 trying to do it, not one or two.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 9, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is becoming difficult to trade out of the top 10.
I mean, what if Cutler goes down early, the Bears tank, and the Broncos — with a brutal schedule — finish with 3 wins?
You’d like to have (potentially) the first and second pick in the draft next year, after signing two first rounders this year? What kind of value would we get for those picks should we try to trade out of them when every other team would know we needed to trade out of one of them?
The fact of the matter is, the Broncos don’t have to worry about that. They have one pick, and they already received a guy they graded a first-rounder a year earlier, and were able to sign him and get him in camp right from the get go.
Every team is not the same, nor do they have the same needs. McDaniels and Xanders cut a lot of defensive talent, then targeted the secondary / special teams / ball hawks as a particular aspect of the team they’d like to strengthen. So what THEY did has to do with THEIR OWN philosophy and their team’s particular needs.
The reason we don’t see other teams doing this is that it’s a) not conventional, and b) they aren’t in the same position as the Broncos are. The Broncos had two first round picks this year. They parlayed that into 3 first-round graded talents this yea while keeping a number one next year. How it works out remains to be seen. But the logic of the move, from the Broncos’ perspective, is unassailable, it seems to me.
by JeffG on Aug 9, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's interesting to note...
The NE Patriots ranked pretty low in defensive turnovers (23 or so, I believe) last year, and the first thing they did was fix their secondary, not the front 7 and pass rush.
"Keel?"
by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 9, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to be kidding?
You can always trade out of the top 10?
How many teams do you think wanted to do that this year and couldn’t? You can’t tell me the Chiefs wanted to take Jackson at 3. Or that the Raiders were desperate to have DHB at 7. Most of the offseason was spend with the Lions trying to trade down from 1 and couldn’t. Last year Miami suffered the same fate.
It goes on and on. The top 10 is not easy to get out of. It is almost like a curse. Far easier to trade down at lower picks.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Aug 9, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
With that saying, I hope the Bears have a decent season this year,
and if they do then we should get a pick at around 18-20 where we could get a good player at a decent value.
by bfree2bronc on Aug 9, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree also
At a very basic level, in a deep draft, Top 10 is of less value than it would be in barebones years.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith giving the Kennison rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 9, 2009 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
#12 money is fine with me.
It’s the #3 (Jackson) and #7 (DHB) money I’d like to avoid, much less both slots in one season.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith giving the Kennison rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 9, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Royal: Tough Guy
I love Eddie’s moves and grace on the field, but he’s so pleasant and humble when he’s on camera that I wouldn’t have guessed this about him. (Maybe because I haven’t seen him play in person yet?) Thanks, Champ, for the insight!
“He kind of reminds me of Steve Smith,” cornerback Champ Bailey said.
What about Santana Moss?
“Him too, but Eddie’s stronger than him,” Bailey said. “I think he’s more like Steve Smith — small, strong, plays with an attitude.”
“He’ll talk us up a lot — you guys don’t hear that,” Bailey said.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith giving the Kennison rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 9, 2009 9:12 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
And THANKS!! NYC for the extra HOF effort this week!
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith giving the Kennison rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 9, 2009 9:13 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If your interested JC
is on the sunday conversation on sportscenter
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Aug 9, 2009 9:19 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I counted 25
“ya knows” in a 3 minute interview
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Aug 9, 2009 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanx again nyc, yo the man...
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Aug 9, 2009 9:36 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NYC!
So was I the only who was shocked when they read that Rich Tuten wasn’t able to conditition and train the players the way he wanted to?! What was the point of having such a coach if you aren’t going to heed his advice…Tuten must have really hated the way things were being run, especially because his name was being dragged through the mud when we had all of those guys on IR last year.
by Vandylaxn21 on Aug 9, 2009 9:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, those statistics were incredibly hard to ignore
"3rd and 6, Elway shotgun... Elway, scrambling, looking, running-- DIVING!!!-- inside the 5 yard line for a first down! Is he only 37?! How important is this football game? How bad does John Elway want to win this football game? Where you see the quarterbacks go down: Not Elway!"
by Sharpe as a Tack on Aug 9, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
excerpt
Consistent collapses
Under Mike Shanahan, the Broncos were known for their fast starts and late-season fades. Broncos reporter Mike Klis points to statistical evidence of how the Broncos were poorly equipped for the stretch run:
• One turnover recorded by Denver’s defense the last four games last season, tied with the Giants for the NFL low
• Two fourth-quarter takeaways in the 2008 season, worst in the NFL
• 32.3 points per game allowed by the Broncos in the last four games of 2008, worst in the NFL
• Offense led the NFL last season with 1,598 fourth-quarter yards, but was tied for 11th with 108 fourth-quarter points
• Tied for 25th in the NFL with a .357 winning percentage (5-9) in the final month of the past three seasons
• In two of the past three seasons, Broncos only had to win their final home game against teams with losing records — San Francisco in 2006 and Buffalo in 2008 — to reach the playoffs. The Broncos blew 13-0 leads in both games and lost both
• First team in NFL history to blow a three-game division lead with three games to play (2008)
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 9, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting concept...CONDITIONING!
by bfree2bronc on Aug 9, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
another aspect
Another way of looking at it, which is somewhat unrelated to fitness, is that you practice under the conditions you play in.
There was some logic to avoiding wear and tear but the problem was that you didn’t adequately prepare yourself for what you did during games.
Also, the term conditioning is misunderstood since we think of "cardio"exercises (heart and lungs) or strength training when we hear it. Stretching is the most important factor in avoiding injuries (and we had the previous topics on yoga, etc.), but it’s also the one most frequently skipped (no pun intended). Tuten’s prescription of twisting sounds like a beautiful solution, as well as working on the “core muscles,” and the fact that these are groups exercises is another improvement. “Individual stretching,” as it’s usually, and accurately, referred to, often falls short of accomplishing its goal. Stretching isn’t a time to relax, and this is often what it becomes. Part of the logic is stretching is to avoid strengthening the opposing muscles, which what a Rockette high kick does. Muscles should be kept in the stretched position and relaxed, which normally provides a temptation for tired athletes to use the time to simply relax, which isn’t the point. Finally, the most neglected stretch is the cool down stretch. It’s extremely important and even more neglected than the other stretches. Again, the group setting for this is a very good way of ‘keeping everybody honest.’
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 9, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure Colinski
The season always played out like each game. Start out well and fade to blech!
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 9, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the training was the nail in Shanahan's coffin
Without those crazy injuries, maybe the bad D makes it to the playoffs. Then again, maybe without some of those injuries we do terribly as Hillis and Woodyard don’t see the field as much.
I’ve always wondered why we weren’t better finishers with the altitude advantage. Turns out Shanny just chose to ignore the altitude, preferring his explosive first half to the natural advantage. That worked for a few years, but football is a 60 minute game.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Aug 9, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We knew Shanny the GM undermined Shanny the coach
but I didn’t realize how total a control junkie he’s been. His instinct, it appears, is to arrogate more and more to himself as bad results pile up, thus ensuring that they’ll continue to get even worse. His defenses got worse as he undercut his DC’s more and more, and now it appears that he did the same to the trainer. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that he told the special teams coach how to do his job, too. It looks like Shanny’s great failing, which I hope he learns from, is an inability to delegate.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Aug 9, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason we did not finish well, jibbons
Is because Shanny left the play calling to Bates, who couldn’t call a Taxi. On top of that, there were no adjustments being made each series, quarter, or halftime. Shanny’s theme was to run up the score in the first half, and coast for the rest of the game, praying that the opposing team would run out of time to mount a comeback. Also, you can read here, why the altitude is not that big of a factor for highly trained atheletes.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 9, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call Vandy
I think that’s the biggest story in today’s Horse Tracks. Perhaps the new emphasis on conditioning will lower injuries (almost assured) and improve play down the stretch (very probable).
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 9, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, i missed that
Heavy, man. Heavy.
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith giving the Kennison rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 9, 2009 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
and here i’d been thinking that Tuten’s program was part of the problem!
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith giving the Kennison rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 9, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
talk about eye-opening.
Joe Sakic was pure class, win or lose, at all times.
by Colorado_Kitten on Aug 10, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!! With the Tuten piece, It's all adding up to:
What the heck was Shannahan thinking those last years? No competition. Country Club practices and camps. High risk or street vet FA aquisistions. Micromanaging coaches. If you believe Jake Plummer, an obssession not with W/L and real production but statistical rankings. Trading UP to draft Jarvis Moss. Bob Slowik. Passive defense, or, translated: Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Saviors like Selvin Young, Anthony Aldridge and Marlon McCree. Players like Hillis and Woodyard languishing on the bench until no other option existed.
Its almost like he got lazy…or burned out.
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer
by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 9, 2009 10:13 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
And questionable trades...
Foxworth for a 7th round pick?!
by Vandylaxn21 on Aug 9, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why single out Anthony Alridge?
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 9, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because 99 out of 100 similar players...
…become Glyn Milbirn (forget spelling), rather than Darren Sproles. But, dang, we tried…over and over and over and over again.
Nothing against Aldridge.
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer
by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 9, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milburn was a 2nd round pick. Alridge was an undrafted FA.
Shanny’s eye for offensive talent was far better than average.
Unfortunately, the opposite was true of his defensive drafting/FA pick ups.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Aug 9, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
or developed
The myth or part myth is that you merely find the right players. That gives a static quality to their ability, they either have or not, and you can either identify it or not.
Our offensive line has been ‘developing’ players for some time (since Gibbs), and we had the advantage of being in a ZB scheme. Zone blocking is more of an acquired skill, although there are attributes that lend themselves to it.
The story of who and where we drafted people is complex, but the one area that stands out above the others is the Offensive Line. It’s often said that we were good at developing RBs, but it would be more accurate to say that we were good at developing the OL and the RBs benefited from this.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 9, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and now
We are witnessing the development of the Defensive backfield, so it will have sustenance of quality growth for years just like the O Line.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 9, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
last go around in 2005
2005 was the last hurrah for the “only one more player” philosophy. We “flooded” the CB position in the draft while virtually ignoring other positions. Part of the eventual story revolves around Darrent Williams’ death, but neither Paymah nor Foxworth went on to become part of the defensive backfield of the future.
2005 became a good year but we overachieved. 2006 showed us how evanescent our progress had become. While 2005 seemed to be a return to glory, 2006 showed us that our organization had slipped.
We achieved at times during the post-Elway era but we didn’t grow.
The metrics of team-building success are NOT solely, or even primarily, measures of a win/loss percentage. This is the end-product, it’s the culmination of a long series of processes. Many of those processes take years to unfold so if you’re only measuring win/loss percentage and missing the fundamentals of how the organization is run then you’re missing what’s important. It’s like being a manufacturer and wondering why your bottom line is poor after years of neglecting the inputs that went into making a quality product.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 9, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 and Thanks for the input.
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 9, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, Aldridge was a bad example.
How about: He had an affection for guys that were injuries waiting to happen or character risks…and somehow those things were going to magically disappear in Denver.
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-- Herbert Spencer
by PredominantlyOrange on Aug 9, 2009 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
and in some cases
injuries that had happened.
As Shanahan’s book revealed, there’s a part of the man that just loves to gamble. Maurice Clarett is a perfect example of someone he believed he had tremendous upside and not much downside. Maybe all those years of playing the odds is why Bowlen ended up calling an intervention.
To a certain degree, in the context of their own dispositions, all coaches gamble. But very few have the tenure and, thus, the easily reviewed and criticized track record of Michael Edward Shanahan.
Of course, most of them get fired for a lousy record before they have that sort of record. ; )
"Talk about the Broncos and I'm gonna 'put my dukes up'. I'm gonna hit you with these rings." -- Rod Smith giving the Kennison rebuttal to Jamie Dukes
by broncosmontana on Aug 9, 2009 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And don't you get the feeling that the appeal of gambling is pretty foreign to McD?
He certainly seems to be a methodical, by-the-book guy. The question will be: is it a good book or a trashy one? None of us knows the answer to that yet. Will his system prove worthy of the faith he obviously places in it?
MS: Jake, no matter what happens, never throw the ball from the end zone with your left hand.
JP: But...
by Plummer's But on Aug 9, 2009 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
chess; not poker
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 10, 2009 1:19 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last Few Years
I have had that feeling in the back of your head that we seemed to have lots of injuries and pulls.
Now you start to see. Was it really bad LUCK that cost us so many of our RBs last year? Maybe, then again maybe it had some help.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Aug 9, 2009 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of us...
…were calling for an audit of the strength and conditioning program and the trainers. As it seems to turn out, this wasn’t going to happen because the problem was (according to the story) higher up.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Aug 9, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
It is amazing too that if Tuten is to believed he hasn’t been allowed to do what he has wanted to do the last few years. That blows my mind because if I bring in a conditioning coach to my program I am going to pick someone who either is behind my program 100% or whose program I am behind.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Aug 9, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
Bother bringing the guy in at all if you’re not going to let him do the job? If you know better than he, why bother hiring him in the first place?
I think Shanahan’s ego became a problem for everybody in the organization, including Shanahan.
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 9, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Wonder
Maybe it was more along the lines of things just passed him by and this was the way he had done it and this was the way he was going to do it.
I remember back in the late nineties people used to marvel at Shanahans innovative approach to the offseason. Now maybe it was outdated.
I am thankful for some change though.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Aug 9, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be
I like Spock’s idea above. Whatever the reason, I’d speculate like so many others, his greatest strength (confidence in himself) may also be his greatest weakness (inability to change).
I’m also thankful for the change, and so will Shanhan be I’m sure, if he isn’t already. While I think there’s little doubt that when he does return to the NFL head coaching ranks, he’ll be a better, more innovative, fresher coach, there’s equally little doubt that this transformation simply could not have taken place in while he remained in Denver.
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 9, 2009 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Wonder
I know Shanahan wants to come back next year. Still he doesn’t need the money and he has the reputation to ask for all the control which I expect he would want. The question is how many teams will be willing to give over all the control.
It might be harder to find a fit for him than is often surmised.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Aug 9, 2009 8:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes true
It seems like that whole “Head Coach as God” thing is out right now. I thought that Shanahan was the last of that breed- wonder how that’ll play out for him.
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 9, 2009 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
support for Tuten's story
I find the belief that Tuten wouldn’t understand the science of fitness training preposterous. Anyone who’s been in the business that long and kept up with the field knows what is needed. The problem with some of the ‘fire Tuten’ opinions expressed here previously is that the writer doesn’t know enough about the subject.
My own personal trainer wouldn’t have ‘missed’ any of the problems we developed so I don’t think Tuten did either. Our problems were simply too routine and rudimentary to have been missed by Tuten. The understanding of fitness/kinesiology has advanced so far from where it was in the past that it’s extremely implausible that Tuten would have missed anything. I’m not blaming Shanahan but this is yet another indication that there was a lack of organizational introspection.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 9, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
It simply never made any sense to me that this Tuten guy was so dumb and so didn’t know what he was doing… that they kept him on the staff for 15 years? Does not compute.
Hopefully we’ll see this concept of “listening to the guy you hired, the expert” thing translate into fewer injuries during the season.
by AllBroncsallday on Aug 9, 2009 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
stretching, stretching, stretching
It dawned on me how simple it was just today, and the only reason I (and others here) didn’t realize it was because we were told it was being done.
Here’s what changed:
“We’re doing things I’ve always wanted to do,” Tuten said. "It’s called dynamic active stretching. It’s stretching while moving. This year I was asked what we should do, and we’re doing what I wanted to do.
And I’m not discounting Tuten’s contention that practicing in pads and actually hitting will contribute greatly, too. We discussed this topic last summer and the evidence showed that the teams that practiced in pads had fewer injuries — rather than less! Shanahan had a nice theory but it didn’t work. The body adjusts to a physical routine, and it could be called toughening, although this is equally true for non-contact sports. Curiously, the challenge for athletes who are trying improve their performance is to not let their body accommodate. This is why you don’t want to do the same routine every day. You want to mix up your routine and prevent your body from settling into an equilibrium.
Tuten said for all the added running and stretching he is barking the players through this summer, nothing will condition them more than new coach Josh McDaniels’ preference to practice in pads.
My belief at this point is that they simply weren’t doing enough stretching, despite what they claimed. Perhaps they believed that the practices were low impact so extensive stretching wasn’t needed. Any time you warm up your muscles (and you want to do this) you need to stretch, both before and afterwards. And part of the problem is getting warmed up. The risk of strains, tears and tendon injuries is much, much higher when muscles are cold (Doc could do much better at explaining this than I can). Also, you achieve the best results if you stretch after you’ve warmed, and it sounds like the Broncos
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by Colinski on Aug 10, 2009 12:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
posted too soon
[last sentence] and it sounds like the Broncos.. weren’t getting fully warmed and doing stretching at that point — or at least that’s my guess.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Aug 10, 2009 1:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having a guy who's held his job with one team for 15 years because of outstanding performance, and NOT LISTENING TO HIM!
That is a big red flag that something isn’t right.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Aug 9, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the tracks nyc!
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Aug 9, 2009 10:15 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks NYC!!
Your daily efforts are much appreciated!
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
by BroncTastic on Aug 9, 2009 11:04 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome finds today nyc, you the man!
I read on the blog over at DP about Rick Tuten throwing Shanahan under the bus and burning his bridges with Shanny, well, he said what should of been said years ago but was probably afraid to in fear of losing his job. Thank you Mr. Bowlen for finally coming to your senses and making the move to fire Mike Shanahan this off season. I know it must of been very painful for you to make that decision, but it was neccessary. Thank you sir.
by bfree2bronc on Aug 9, 2009 1:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
IDK,
I’ll wait a year or two before I agree that the coaching change was for the best…
by Merlin Scott on Aug 9, 2009 3:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I would agree with you Merlin if you can show me logically why Pat shouldn't of fire him.
Are we, let along the Owner ready to go through what we have these past few years? I don’t think so and Pat had to make a very bode statement in firing a future HOF coach in Shanahan. Don’t you think that it bothered him to have to make such a move? I do. And after all the great years he has given to the team and the community, it would be one of the hardest things to do. But how much agony and hurt of seeing your franchise’s wick be trimmed to the point where there is no fire left. How long? I really would like to know because I myself am a very caring person and would have a hard time telling my friend that I have to let him go. How long?
by bfree2bronc on Aug 9, 2009 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Lots of good stuff in today’s Horse Tracks. Must be nice when there’s so much good stuff to share. And it’s nice for us to have you putting in the time to collect it for us. Horse Tracks is always my first stop of the day.
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by spock on Aug 9, 2009 3:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Nyc
If anyone is planning to go to Monday’s afternoon practice, it has been cancelled. It is written in the CSG article on Stokely.
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by KaptainKirk on Aug 9, 2009 4:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Why? Are they having a BBQ or something? McKinley loves to cook out of doors maybe he talked the coach into some brats&burgers.
by bfree2bronc on Aug 9, 2009 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
Josh is trying to get Knowshon all caught up with the Offense. Lol
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
by KaptainKirk on Aug 9, 2009 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else find it odd that this year there have been so many adjusted times
much less this cancellation? Are we just seeing a young coaching team getting used to running a camp? Or is this the usual way of things, to adjust schedules based on “the reality of things on the ground.”
I know he’d been around a bit longer, but did Shanny deviate this much?
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by broncosmontana on Aug 9, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone watch the Hochuli video?
When the new fumble rule came up (i.e. Cutler’s “incomplete pass”), he asked, “I’m sure nobody has any questions about that one?”
You then just hear the whole room chuckling.
"Keel?"
by Tempestuous Binary on Aug 9, 2009 6:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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