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Happy Tuesday, friends.  Welcome to the creative process for ST&NO, which I now intend to lend some insight into.  If you didn't know, I am told exactly what to write by messengers of the Supreme Commander of La-La Land.  It happens subliminally, in the middle of the night, by visits from Fairies, because it almost feels to me like these are my own independent thoughts.  Once the season gets going, I generally wake up on Saturday, and watch some college football, and write for a while, then I watch a bunch of NFL football on Sunday (after another, longer, more intensive Fairy visit) and write a lot more.  Then, on Monday, I put the finishing touches on it, and it runs Tuesday morning.  Voila!  From the mind of the Supreme Commander, to the voices of the Fairies, to my ears, and then my fingers, to your eyes. It's like magic.  

Well, usually that's how it goes.  Sometimes, it's the middle of the 4th quarter of a fairly annoying and sloppy 3rd preseason game, and this pops onto my iPhone, from John Bena, and sent to the whole creative team. 

Can someone post a small game recap, along with some thoughts to use as a Post Game Discussion Thread?  Please???  Just reply to this if you do it!

I see it, and I kind of groan, because I live in the eastern time zone, it's almost midnight, I have to work in the morning, and the game was annoying, as I mentioned.  I'm just not really in the mood, you dig?  I decide I will wait for 20 minutes, and see if anybody else will claim the responsibility.  Nobody does, so I decide that I should take ownership of the job, and get it done.  Dammit.

So, I know what you're thinking.  How did the Kool-Aid, subliminal, happy, positive messaging get to me, considering John's very ambiguous language?  I mean, hell, all the guy did was ask somebody to write a few thoughts.  I could tell from his tweeting that he was personally less than thrilled with the game.  I was never asleep, so the Kool-Aid Fairies couldn't have visited me, right?  How could I write such a shiny, happy screed as this?  Ponder that, and meanwhile, we'll get Shallow and Nearsighted (and Shiny! and Happy!) with it.  Ready..... BEGIN!!!!

1.  We begin with our dear friend, the Boringest Man In America. 

b. Denver running back Floyd Little, on the surface, falls short. He had but one 1,000-yard rushing season, ran for just 43 touchdowns, averaged 3.9 yards-per-carry in his career and rushed for 54.0 yards per game. But he had the misfortune of playing for a team that had a winning record only twice in his career. He won the rushing title in 1972 and had more rushing yards (5,185) than any other back in football from 1968 to '73. He played behind Steve Tensi, Marlin Briscoe, Steve Ramsey and Charlie Johnson.

We talk in the Hall of Fame selection room every year about not discriminating against guys on historically bad teams, which this Denver team was. I guess when I think of jobbed guys on historically bad teams, I think of Tommy Nobis, Claude Humphrey and Cortez Kennedy. I'll need to be convinced a little more on Little.

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This is really important, for a couple of reasons.  First of all, King indicates that he can be convinced, so that's a starting point.  Now, he thinks he knows a lot more football than he actually does, and his treatment of fan email tends to be arrogant and condescending, but this is a good example of a guy who MHR needs to be lobbying.  He can be, and needs to be educated.

I can relate, because 16 months ago, I was right there with him on Little.  I was new to MHR, and had a very limited reputation, and was at least somewhat the idiot who didn't like Earl Bennett or Chris Williams that much in the 2008 Draft, and who favored Ryan Clady in the first round.  Anyway, I looked at Floyd's statistics, and I wasn't blown away.  I had never even seen one play that Floyd participated in, because I am only 32, and not tremendously history-minded.  In making a point about Jerome Bettis, who doesn't deserve to go to the HOF, but certainly will, I wrote this FanPost, which makes me cringe now.  I got crushed, as you can see in the comments.  Firstfan cared so much that he sent me an outstanding book, Tales From The Broncos Sideline, which Floyd wrote, with John Elway writing the foreword, and Jim Brown contributing the preface.  Turns out, it's a must-read for any Broncos fan.

I offered that copy of the book up once on here, after I finished it, and got no takers.  I am glad, because I am going to send it to Peter King at Sports Illustrated.  He needs to read it, because it conveys the greatness of both Floyd the player and Floyd the man.  Not to steal the HOF committee's thunder, but please consider writing the BMIA a respectfully-worded email, advocating for Floyd's deserved inclusion in the Hall of Fame.  It's an effort that won't be wasted, because the backstory is what sells Floyd, not the stats.

I said this King business was important for a couple of reasons, and I have only given one so far.  The second reason is that if Floyd doesn't make it in this year, he almost certainly never will.  This is not something people are going to come around to, and if those on the veterans' committee who put up his name lose, they won't try again.  Only Bob Hayes has ever fallen short from the veterans committee, and then been re-considered and eventually elected later.  Hayes was part of the Cowboys hype machine, and he got a lot of support from that.  There's no Broncos hype machine.  We're the best thing going for that, with all the talent and determination in this community.

Floyd is up against nobody but himself, and his own qualifications.  What I mean by that is, the 2010 Class is limited to 5 modern-era inductees, and 2 seniors.  If both seniors candidates make it, they don't keep anybody out, who could have otherwise made it, so it's really a yes-or-no vote, unlike the dynamic which kept Shannon Sharpe out in his first year of eligibility.  We all know (or should get to know) that Floyd deserves enshrinement, and we need to help him get there.  King says Dick LeBeau will get some love for being widely credited with inventing the zone blitz, which King calls a significant accomplishment in the game's history.  How about Floyd saving a moribund franchise that went on to play in 6 Super Bowls (winning 2 of them) and average more wins per season, with more consistency, than any team in the last 31 years?  THAT is a significant accomplishment in the game's history.  Floyd was, and always will be, the Franchise.  For somebody to decide that Floyd Little is not a Hall of Famer is analogous to that person stating for the record that fifty years of Denver Broncos football are meaningless in NFL history.  No Floyd, no Broncos.

2.  Some additional thoughts on Sunday night's game, incremental to the aforementioned shiny, happy screed:

a.  Chris Baker looked outstanding on a few plays, and he lost leverage on a few others, and got pushed backwards.  It's a technique issue, not an ability issue, and with good coaching and hard work, he is going to be a force.  I can't imagine how a guy like this can go undrafted.

b. I think the offense greatly missed Jabar Gaffney.  He's a downfield threat, without being a deep threat, and with solid guys like him, you never realize how much they mean to a team until they miss some time.  He was an outstanding signing, and the Broncos need him back soon.

c.  The Broncos defense has certainly looked better than that of any other AFC West team this preseason, in all three games.  They struggle with covering the seams, and will probably continue to do so, but they are much improved from last year, believe that.  Mike Nolan is really adding value, and while this is a transitional year, the improvement is very noticeable.  The defense last year struggled to get one 3-and-out per game, and the first-teamers got 5 of them in 2 1/2 quarters against the Bears Sunday night.

d.  Richard Quinn can catch, and he can get downfield, so don't be the guy who trumpets the inaccurate draftnik line that he can't do either.  I believe that the Broncos actually bought low on him, because he's a very smooth athlete and has excellent functional strength as a blocker.

e.  The Josh Barrett upper-extremity injury could really hurt, if it keeps him out long.  He's a key special-teamer.

f.  I think the Broncos have 2 of the 10 best punters in the NFL on their roster.  Whichever one doesn't make it will be in high demand right away.  I haven't seen them in practice, but I have to think that Britton Colquitt has a slight lead over Brett Kern at this point, based on games.

g.  I think Darius Walker looks better than LaMont Jordan, and that he should be the 4th RB kept.  Walker's fumble was bad, but he played well both before and after it.  I like his burst to the hole, and in fact, he has more burst than either Peyton Hillis or Correll Buckhalter.

3.  Observations from other games:

a.  The best QB in the NFC this season is going to be Aaron Rodgers, with apologies to Donovan McNabb and Drew Brees.  Rodgers is a great example of arm strength not being everything.  Brett Favre has a much stronger arm than Rodgers, but Rodgers still throws the hell out of the slant, and is more accurate with it than Favre ever was.  Rodgers also showed good athleticism against the Cardinals, with a long run on the opening posession.  Rodgers' greatest strength is his decisiveness and command of the offense.  He's starting to remind me of Peyton Manning a little bit, in that way, minus the heavy use of audibles at the line.

b.  Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie gave up 2 TDs against Green Bay, but it doesn't change the fact that he is getting ready to throw his name into the mix as the best CB in the NFL.  That dude can turn and run with anybody, and he has outstanding ball skills, among the best in the NFL.  He was a top-10 CB as a rookie, and should have definitely been Defensive Rookie of the Year over Jerod Mayo, who was good, but not nearly as good as DRC.

Of the TDs DRC gave up, one was a back-shoulder throw against a TE, (any CB gets beat on that play), and the other one was a deep ball off a great play-fake from Aaron Rodgers, where DRC got sucked up on the fake, and didn't get any safety help over the top, as Jordy Nelson went 76 yards.  Trust me, Rodgers-Cromartie is going to be a great player for a long time.

c.  Watching the Arizona-Green Bay game, I believe that both teams are Super Bowl contenders in 2009, assuming good health. The Cardinals defense had a bad day, but they aren't a bad defense.  The Cardinals have 4 elite players on defense (Darnell Dockett, Karlos Dansby, DRC, and Adrian Wilson) and they're spread out across all three levels.  They will give up some yards, but I've watched them really stiffen up in the scoring area for most of the preseason, and that's what winning defenses do.

Meanwhile, the Packers look like they are taking very well to the 3-4, especially Aaron Kampman.  They're really benefiting from the return of Cullen Jenkins on the defensive line.  His loss to injury last season basically single-handedly wrecked their defense.  Ryan Pickett has done a nice job as the starting NT, also.  I like what I see of the Packers trying to strip the ball, also.  Charles Woodson doesn't look like he has lost a step either, and I had been hearing rumblings (someplace where you hear rumblings) that the Packers were considering transitioning Woodson to Free Safety sooner than later.

d.  For two games in a row now, Vince Young has looked like a real NFL QB.  Of course, against the Browns, he fumbled at the goal line going in, and had a bad INT returned for a TD, but we're concerned with nuance here at ST&NO, and he generally threw the ball better, and showed more command than I had seen in a couple of years from him.

e.  Mark Sanchez is going to look like a rookie at times, but he is going to be more good than bad, right away.  The guy has a feel for the game that you can easily see.

f.   Among other New York rookies, Hakeem Nicks looked really good for the first time.  He's a little different than most WRs, because he's more of a stout, hard-to-tackle guy, kind of like a more talented Josh ReedClint Sintim continued to look really good for the Giants, too, and he may challenge for Defensive Rookie of the Year.

g.  The Falcons passing game shredded the Chargers, and their average O-Line did fine in pass protection.  I think the assumption that Shawne Merriman's return was going to charge up the Bolts' pass rush is in some doubt, because they haven't pressured anybody this preseason.  Merriman has been getting blocked, too.

h.  Everybody has been saying Brady Quinn won the job in Cleveland, and I agree.  I was watching the game live, and Bernie Kosar was quite prescient, right as Quinn had the team at the line, for his eventual TD pass to Braylon Edwards.  Kosar mentioned how the strong safety was creeping to the line, and Quinn saw it, and checked to a slant to Edwards, against single coverage.  The read was the key thing, and the throw was good, too.  The play encapsulated the reason Quinn is better than Anderson.  He's slightly less talented, but he consistently produces better outcomes.

i.  I heard Shaun Hill say something during the 49ers telecast that was a really good quote.  He said playing QB was the hardest job in sports, with the easiset job description: WIN.  That's a great description, and Hill is one of these guys who seems to give his team a chance to win when he plays.

j.  Jamie Dukes and I agree on something.  That's a little chilling, actually.  As I watched the Bills-Steelers snooze-fest Sunday, I was thinking that the Bills profoundly erred in picking Aaron Maybin, and would have been better off taking Michael Oher (or trading up to get an even higher-rated OT).  They can't block anybody, and they're going to finish in last place in the AFC East because of it.  It's too bad, because they are very good at WR, in the secondary, and on special teams.  

k.  A guy I didn't love coming out of college was Joe Flacco, but I am 100% sure now that he's a true franchise QB.  I didn't see a lot of him at Delaware, hence my initial indifference, but the guy has a great arm, good mobility, and poise that is really rare, for such a young guy.  He's what Jay Cutler could have been, with a better personal makeup.  I like him better than Matt Ryan too, though Ryan has a lot of redeeming qualities, himself.

l.  I think Nate Davis is going to get a look as the starter at QB in San Francisco before the year is out.  He's very talented, and he only fell to the 5th round because of concerns about a learning disability that he has.  He looked terrific against Dallas this weekend.

m.  Has Matt Cassel proven that he's a "franchise quarterback"?  I watched NFL Network all day Sunday, and had to hear Steve Wyche call him that like 14 times, and it made me cringe each time.  He might be a good QB, but even that's far from known at this point.

n. Contrary to the MSM nonsense you hear, the best player on the Raiders offense is JaMarcus Russell.  He really seems to be feeling the game a lot better, and he's right on schedule, if you look at him in a vacuum.  Unfortunately, the only other talent on the offense is TE Zach Miller, and 3 RBs (Darren McFadden, Michael Bush, and Justin Fargas).  Russell needs help at WR, and I don't think Darrius Heyward-Bey has shown much yet.  His O-Line is really bad too, which will hurt.

o.  Donald Brown is going to be the bell-cow RB for the Colts, and Joseph Addai will be more comfortable as a complementary 1/3 kind of guy.  It's actually pretty funny when Jamie Dukes calls him Pat-Pat (meaning he carries the ball once, and pats his helmet, asking out of the game).  Brown got a hard-running TD this weekend, and those are the kind of plays he can make consistently.

p.  I will tell you who is a dominant player, whom you may not have heard of.  Tony Brown plays DT for the Titans, and wears #97.  He's a penetrating, one-gap kind of player, and he's really difficult to handle, which opens up the edges for Jevon Kearse and Kyle Vanden Bosch.  Brown's success in 2008 could have been semi-reasonably assumed to be largely due to Albert Haynesworth's presence, but he's looked even better so far this preseason, with no Haynesworth around.

q,  Matt Schaub showed a lot by playing  hurt on Monday night.  He banged up his knee on a scoring drive, kept playing, and then after a Vikings TD, led the Texans about 40 yards in 27 seconds, to steal a field goal before halftime.  Those are the kinds of things that wins games.

r.  Dan Orlovsky has always been talented enough to be a solid starter in the NFL, and yes, him being a UConn guy is part of the reason I have paid attention to him over the years.  He is now getting top-notch coaching in Houston, and you can tell that he's really improved a lot in a little time.

s. Brett Favre looked the same as he did in the first 11 games last year, and ESPN actually had a good point, that with 11 indoor games this season, he'll be greatly helped.

t.  I haven't seen the Bengals once this preaseason in anything but highlights, which is a bad oversight by me.  I will definitely be DVRing their game against the Bengals, even though it may not tell me much.  It's kind of a problem of my own making for not thinking ahead, though.

4.  I was asked by Jon Tollerud on Twitter this week (follow me, if you like my work, @TedBartlett905) for a special edition ST&NO about the Brandon Marshall situation.  Well, I don't think turd behavior warrants special treatment.  That's not why I didn't write one, I just didn't have time, but it's true nonetheless.  In any case, I have had some time to marinate on this, and I have some thoughts.  I've been having problems with the story editor locking up on me, and this is my third time writing this part, so bear with me if I seem irritable.

I was all set to say that nobody in their right mind could now empathize with #15.  Then, I watched ESPN's abomination of a pregame show, and listened to Keyshawn Johnson (it figures), Cris Carter (really, Cris?) and Tom Jackson (are you &&%$#& kidding me TJ?) all beat the Pay-Marshall-Now drum.

The Broncos can't, and they won't.  They can't and won't trade him either.  This has to do with controlling the football team and establishing a program.  Players can't get their way by throwing a hissy fit.  Some will say that Jay Cutler did, but I tend to speculate that Josh McDaniels never really wanted Cutler anyway, based upon evaluations of his film, his character, and his comments to the media that he should have some say in team management, as the starting QB.  If I have that right, then trading Cutler was sticking to the company line, really, more than it was acceding to the player's wishes.

I frankly don't really care about Marshall's past legal troubles.  He was acquitted, and none of us can possibly know the facts, so at worst, we should call him an alleged woman abuser.  (Statements that insinuate that he certainly was guilty are inappropriate in the United States, whether we like it or not.)  I care that Brandon stays out of trouble in the future, and that's it.

If Marshall gets with the program, and plays well, he will get paid.  It may be in Denver, it may be somewhere else, but he'll get paid, for sure.  He needs to come back to Dove Valley on September 6th, go out of his way to be humble, work as hard as he can, and get with the program.  If he does that, maybe 5 years from now, he can laugh at how immature he was in 2009, and how much he's grown.  If he doesn't, he'll be radioactive, and nobody will want him on their team, except the usual halfway houses in Dallas, Oakland, and Cincinnati.  

I found Champ Bailey's comments, as relayed by Andrea Kremer, to be very interesting.  He certainly was NOT getting Marshall's back, so all this Jamie Dukes "Marshall-Is-A-Team-Leader" and Keyshawn Johnson "McDaniels is losing his locker room by messing with Marshall" stuff seems like total bunk.  Brandon needs to win his teammates and coaches back, and get to playing football.  Everything else will eventually work itself out.

5.  I think Dish Network must think football fans are stupid.  Their commercial says (paraphrasing) that DirecTV charges $300 extra for extra NFL games, and why would you pay that?  You can get over 100 games on Dish, including your locals.

Wow, over 100 games huh?

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That's really something there, 106 games (plus 65 preseason games on NFLN!).  That's also known as the games everybody with cable gets (if you take away the 8 NFL Network games for those cable companies who don't have it), and you're even close to the rabbit-ears only set's complement of 81 games (No ESPN or NFLN.)  With the digital conversion for broadcast networks, do rabbit ears still work?

I pay for DirecTV's Sunday Ticket, because I am a Broncos fan living in Cleveland.  Even beyond that, there's nothing cooler than flipping through a bunch of early games, and this year, I am going to take it to another level.  I am going to set up two laptops with games on, in addition to my TV, and have a third laptop to type notes on.  (I own 3 of them, and have one for work too, that I can use for whatever.  One of mine is too old and slow to play video very well, though.) Good damn thing I am single right now, isn't it?  if I weren't, I probably would be soon enough.  Some man-cave activities will be definitely going on at my house this fall.  The quality and integrity of ST&NO demand that I watch as much football as I can possibly manage, after all, so it's all for you, my loyal readers, and even those who just tolerate me and my schtick.  :)  It's worth every dollar of the $400, including SuperFan.

6.  Let's remember to professionally work on some Hall of Fame voters, even beyond Peter King, for both Floyd Little and Shannon Sharpe.  It's important enough to emphasize again.  If we get them in, there's already talk of an MHR gathering in Canton for the ceremony.  Since John and I are both fairly local to Canton, I am sure we can get something very cool organized, and watch 1 or 2 of our guys get in.  Plus, if two Broncos go in, the team will almost certainly play in the HOF game, and get an extra growth opportunity next offseason, not to mention the fact that Josh McDaniels will get to coach an NFL game at the stadium he played his high school football in.  

The first round of beers is on me, if we can help pull this off, though we can't have one in the stadium.  Funny how high school stadiums don't have kegerators.

7.  Retired for John Elway.

8.  There's no live national TV coverage for the Cardinals game Thursday, for the first time this preseason, which sucks.  I will be listening on 850 KOA's website, Tweeting, and maybe even participating in the game threads, since my eyes won't be as busy as usual, when they're normally getting my information for me.  It will be another growth opportunity for the Broncos, which is very exciting.

That's all for this week.  There won't be a Lighting Up The Scoreboard this week, since Game 4 tends to be so meaningless, but look for both ST&NO and LUTS next week, leading into the Bengals game.  Until then, keep it Shallow and Nearsighted, and if anybody says you're biased, tell them the Fairies made you that way, and you can't help it.

 

 

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Thanks for this....

I appreciate this because it is always lengthy AND interesting. I agree with virtually everything you said, especially with regard to Baker and Quinn.

by swg777 on Sep 1, 2009 6:45 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff as always!

And yeah, that Dish TV commercial annoyed me too. Entirely mis-leading.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 1, 2009 7:05 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

ditto

and I was a Dish subscriber until last month (moved) and when we get our house about 5 weeks from now (seller just accepted our offer) I’m getting Sunday Ticket with DirecTV. The sellers have the DirecTV HD dish already up on the roof, ready to go!

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Sep 1, 2009 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would you pay more for exta games?

Because we want to follow a freakin Team!! dumba**es!!!

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by RiG on Sep 1, 2009 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I really wanted Sintim I’m still not too sure why we didn’t go for him. Except that they were maybe looking to go with a 5-2. He made a ton of sense IMO.

by Fan in Exile on Sep 1, 2009 7:15 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too

In my first comment ever on here I remarked on how successful the first three picks for the Giants would be IMHO. I get to see the Cavaliers two or three times a year with luck and if not them then any ACC college within an easy drive of DC. Sintim seemed to have NFL stamped all over him from the first time I saw him and I so wanted the guy for us.

I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet

by BlobTheMagnificent on Sep 1, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thursday's game

Ted, there’s a thread around here somwhere that will get you the game over the internet. I think it’s in the FanShots.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on Sep 1, 2009 7:21 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Internet Game

pub, I tried that link and only god low-def game(s). watch your broncos

by Endzone on Sep 1, 2009 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still, better than nothing

Better lo-def than no-def. I watched the first game streaming, as I don’t have NFLN, and the second game I downloaded and watched later, as I worked that night.

by BTS on Sep 1, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's My Site

Thanks for the mention!

Unfortunately, that’s all you are going to get most of the time with internet feeds. You can pay no money for lo-def games on the internet or fork over the cash to watch it on your plasma. I’m just trying to help out the guys who have chosen the former.

by IHSD on Sep 1, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, rabbit ears still work

As long as you have a digital converter box.

Once I convert to hunter-gatherer mode and bring in some more income I’m looking forward to DirecTV and the Sunday Ticket.

"People who work together will win, whether it be against complex football defenses, or the problems of modern society." - Vince Lombardi

by broncospriestess on Sep 1, 2009 7:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And if you have a newer TV (especially and HD one), you don’t even need a converter box.

Heck, you don’t even need the rabbit ears! I have two long pieces of wire soldered into a coaxial converter, and I get over-the-air HD without a problem.

Of course, my ghetto antenna now goes into an expensive media center pc…not sure what that says about me…

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on Sep 1, 2009 8:50 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't sure how that worked...

I saw like hundreds of those boxes in every Best Buy forever, with all kind of signs for getting your government coupon for $40 off. I remember being struck by the NFL’s estimate that switching Monday Night Football to ESPN only took it out of 20 million homes in the United States, and wondering how there could be so many of these boxes everywhere you looked. Thanks for filling in my knowledge gap.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 1, 2009 7:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

On Floyd

Ted, I think sending the book is a fantastic idea. The committee has been having discussions on our next plan, because we got a warning from a Floyd supporter in the HoF Seniors Committee: Don’t screw it up. Floyd has 50-70% chance of getting in, and voters respond negatively to organized campaigns.

So, while we are trying to figure out how to make our organized campaign look unorganized, actions like yours about sending a book to Peter King are fantastic, because they are not organized by us! If you can, include a letter telling Peter how much Floyd meant to Denver and how he deserved it. I don’t even need to give you advice, you’re a very smart guy and I love your columns.

Thanks so much for the post on Floyd though, and of course, I enjoyed it all!

by studbucket on Sep 1, 2009 8:00 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't even try to make an organized plan look unorganized.

We haven’t been choreographing anything at MHR. We’ve only encouraged folks to write their feelings to the committee. There has been no real “organizing”. Folks have written posts on the subject, and that’s about it. Still, that effort is important and may help Floyd get what he so richly deserves.

"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe

by Steve Nichols on Sep 1, 2009 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I mean

Is the “calls for emails” we did in the fanposts. I don’t think a sudden influx of 50 emails to a voters inbox is what they want, even if the emails are nice, because they will all have a tendency to look the same.

We will encourage people to write emails, and provide resources, but there will be no more official posting of email addresses or email templates that relate to Floyd’s HoF campaign.

Sorry if I didn’t make sense in my first post.

by studbucket on Sep 1, 2009 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to create a flood

but it would be nice to get an email addy or 2 to know who to send to. IMO, sending to Peter King would be a drop in the bucket. I’d personally rather work on someone who’s a little more obscure so he might actually read my email.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on Sep 1, 2009 8:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

We are ironing out our tactics and ideas, but we would be happy to give people emails, but want less of a “push” and more of a “pull” approach. In our next post or 2, I may, have people contact me if they want to email the writers, and I will divy up emails, but I won’t be putting them out there for public consumption.

The committee is always really open to feedback, and we have lots of discussion amongst ourselves. If any of you have any feedback at all, please email me using the address in my profile.

by studbucket on Sep 1, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

King on Sirius

I heard some of the same comments made by King on Sirius. We need a good statistician to make the argument on yardage gained in addition to the character and franchise savior arguments. King is often on Sirius on the morning, so if some Denver folks with cogent arguments call it, that should help Little’s case.

by Baltimore Bronco on Sep 1, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the best Floyd Resource is

This 44 Reasons to Elect #44 from the DB.com blog: http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/44-reasons-to-elect-no-44/

That has great stuff, showing how he averaged over 100 yards per game for his career via running, receiving, and returning.

by studbucket on Sep 1, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Here are three of the 44 reasons: (from the article)

11 – Little ranks 16th in Rushing among all 41 HOF running backs

12 – Little ranks 17th in Yards from Scrimmage among all 41 HOF RBs

13 – Little ranks 11th in receiving yards among all 41 HOF RBs

A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.

Louis L’Amour

by bradley on Sep 1, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would the gist of the statistical argument be?

I’m sure others have crunched the numbers, but I’m happy to chip in…

by Chibronx on Sep 1, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats

If you are going to do sometnhing on Little’s statistics, don’t forget his punt/Kick-off retyrn yardage. Floyd played special teams his entire career including his last game. Could you imagine playing ypour star on all of the special teams ?

I would like top see as copy of anything you send. My email is on my profile page. Thanks

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Sep 1, 2009 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't do the legwork, but it looks like PK can be moved today

His mailbag has more numbers on Little. Someone mentions that his numbers were over the 14-game season; PK comes back with, well, OJ had a 14-game season, too. Groan.

Anyway, it seems like he’s really digging into this. I can’t neglect my professional duties to get lost in a stats problem, but if anybody out there has some numbers — like the awesome special-teams numbers — it seems like he’s in the mood to think about it.

by Chibronx on Sep 1, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 More Things

I have never liked the Jordan signing, and I totally agree with this:

g. I think Darius Walker looks better than Lamont Jordan, and that he should be the 4th RB kept. Walker’s fumble was bad, but he played well both before and after it. I like his burst to the hole, and in fact, he has more burst than either Peyton Hillis or Correll Buckhalter.

I also am very happy that you and John could get a nice MHR HoF gathering set up, because especially if Floyd gets in, I’m there.

Thanks again for the ST&NO.

by studbucket on Sep 1, 2009 8:11 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Walker "fumble"

It looked to me like Branstater, who had been struggling with his hand-offs, placed the ball on the front of Walker’s hip. It fell straight down. Walker never got possession of the ball, so I’m disinclined to blame him for the fumble. It was more of a muff between him and Branstater which is understandable given Tom’s limited reps in practice. I, too, liked Walker’s effort all night. Jordan’s size is compelling, but he undercuts that advantage by hesitating just before he hits the hole.

by hawkarooski on Sep 1, 2009 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

NFL stats for the game

give the fumble to Brandstater. It was the only fumble noted for the Broncos.

"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers

by AlanC11 on Sep 1, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great thoughts on Baker and Quinn

I liked what I saw from Quinn in the game. I think he was in on a run play, along with Graham, if I’m not mistaken. Plus the catch over the middle from Tommy B was nice.

Baker was definitely up and down, but I like that he was way up when he was up, and just looked like a rookie that needed to work on technique when he was down. I can dig seeing the NT in the backfield on occasion, and I hope he starts pressing for playing time by around week 5 or 6. I have confidence in this coaching staff, and figure they are giving him the attention that he needs to get there.

by BroncosBassist on Sep 1, 2009 8:20 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Could it be true?

It’s hard to imagine after all these years that the Broncos may have actually stumbled across a really good interior Dlineman. I mean, Keith Traylor (who they let go before getting back again) then….

How cool would that be?

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on Sep 1, 2009 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying not to let myself get too excited

He’s still a rookie and a lot can happen. But, when it’s dark and everyone else is asleep, I allow myself a moment of giddiness that we might actually have a half-decent DT in the making.

(wow, that sounded much creepier on screen than in my head!)

by BroncosBassist on Sep 1, 2009 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great ST&O as usual!

I just bought that book on amazon for like, $4 including shipping. I need some reading material, and I’m DEFINITELY on the Little for HOF bandwagon!

by Bronco Nut on Sep 1, 2009 8:34 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Little

Floyd was probably the first football “hero” for me when I was a kid. He was usually the lone bright spot on a team that we occasionally complained that we “had” to watch because it was the only game on TV. Of course we never gave up hope that one day they would get better. Much like today!

And Fairies wear boots.

by Trogdoor on Sep 1, 2009 8:45 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Nice Black Sabbath reference... I just cued that song up on my iPhone, in your honor

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 1, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great work

and the man cave for sunday’s sounds awesome! Im trying to decide weather I should shell out the money for the super fan because I live in Texas and all that comes on the local broadcasts are the stinking Cowboys (kill me now please!!!! I cant stand seeing another interview of Jerry Jones about their freakin spaceship of a stadium) and the occasional Texans.

On To Victory!!!

by alacumba!! on Sep 1, 2009 9:18 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sunday Ticket

Got the man cave. Love the Ticket. But buyer beware in stormy areas— your Direct TV doesn’t like weather. A good thunderstorm kills the signal. This is probably exaccerbated here in Tornado Alley,,,but it has been a frustration.

Ice and snow are also killers, so be sure to be able to get to your dish for de-icing in the winter.

If you can abide these annoyances, I can’t imagine having anything but Direct TV. I’m thinking I"ll even to the NHL Ticket thing, too, this year.

by PredominantlyOrange on Sep 1, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh,

I live in Central Florida, home of the guaranteed afternoon thunderstorm in summer. Which means, right around the second game on Sunday, you might get nasty weather for an hour or two. Luckily, it does end sometime around end of September, but it’s a pain when it’s here. One of the reasons I’m not getting DTV any time soon.

Plus, I feel for alacumba — try living in the geographic dead-center of 3 crap-to-semi-crap NFL franchises and try to see a Broncos game that isn’t on MNF. I get so sick of watching the Bucs and Fish that I wanna scream.

by BroncosBassist on Sep 1, 2009 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I spent the summer of 1996 in Orlando, at the Naval Training Center there

Every day when we got out of class at 4 PM, it would rain like hell for 10 minutes, and then just stop. Then, the water would steam off the sidewalk, and be gone within 10 minutes. I know exactly what you mean about the guaranteed storms, and I’ve never seen any place like that, before or since.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 1, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Then

The cockroaches come out and cover the streets

by Endzone on Sep 1, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey, I resemble that!

To me, it’s not the cockroaches, but the fact that you have to swim from building to car if it stops raining before sundown. The humidity makes you wish you were SCUBA certified.

by BroncosBassist on Sep 1, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally OT

You wouldn’t recognize the place. The Naval Training Center is now an over-priced upscale housing development around Lake Baldwin that the city got fleeced for millions on. Just can’t say no to those developers around here.

Baldwin Park — Pretty place, but way out of my price range.

I do love living here, though. Both my sons were born here, so I guess I have roots. :)

by BroncosBassist on Sep 1, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh the man cave.

Many of our American forefathers predicted this development, and this is one of the catalysts in our fight for independence.

by legendarywalton on Sep 1, 2009 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing

That’s an incredible amount of work (play?) condensed into very readable tidbits. Great job and thank you!

by Endzone on Sep 1, 2009 9:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Ted

Floyd Little was the football hero of my youth — the reason I wanted to be a running back. Sadly, 5’2" and 92 lbs is too small, even in high school. The fact that Peter King doesn’t automatically think Little belongs in the HoF simply points again to the fact that Denver is in a black hole when it comes to the national media; and that fact is only underscored when listening to the talking heads discuss the current state of this team. Listening to NBC on Sunday night was more painful than watching the game, and I can barely watch NFLN or ESPN without throwing up in my mouth a little bit every time they deign to talk about the Broncos. I appreciate MHR because it is fair to this team — calling them on the carpet when the need arises, but praising them when it’s appropriate. I don’t think that’s “Kool Aid,” I think it is just good reporting. Thanks again.

by 42n81 on Sep 1, 2009 9:28 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks Ted. Another great post.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Sep 1, 2009 9:40 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Flacco v. Cutler, then Us

I have seen a fair amount of both, since both QB’s were in the saddles of my favorite (Broncos) and second favorite (Ravens) teams. I will see Denver v. Ravens, Denver v. Redskins, Denver v. Patriots and Ravens v. Chicago this year, so I will have a better means of comparing them by the end of the year, assuming no injuries.

Both QB’s have very good arms and can run moderately well. Both can coordinate good mixtures of running and passing attacks. Both still need work on checkdowns and seeing all of the options. Regarding temperment, you clearly have a contrast between the emotional Cutler versus the icy cold Joe Flacco. I think both styles work and both looked terrific last weekend. I thought Cutler was weak at the start of the Denver game, but came on exceptionally well during the 2 minute drill. Flacco completed a touchdown pass last weekend and I thought he looked like Johnny Unitas walking off the field, kinda slump-shouldered, but like a man who knew he had just done his job.

Ted, I know you are less of a fan of Cutler than I am, and I am clearly less of a fan of McDaniels than you, but I wonder if we could agree that the Broncos would be better off with either Flacco or Cutler than what we have now? We have a very limited passing game for our Broncos now, and I think that will limit the running game severely as well. Just my opinion, and again, I hope I am wrong.

by Baltimore Bronco on Sep 1, 2009 9:50 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

But we don't have those guys

So why bother even entertaining the idea “we’d be better off with them”- waste of time and energy IMO

by AllBroncsallday on Sep 1, 2009 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the kind comments,

but Ted brought up the comparison in his point 3k and I thought it was quite relevant to compare the situation on the Ravens and the Bears with that of the Broncos. I assume that the Bronco brain trust will be exploring QB options in the future, and isn’t a lot of what we do on this site involve comparing players, and looking at options for our favorite team, the Broncos? I may be wrong, but, in light of the injuries, would you be looking at QB skill options if you were the current Broncos GM? I mean, some might think that looking at quality football websites is a waste of time and energy, but I don’t. That’s why I am here.

by Baltimore Bronco on Sep 1, 2009 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broncos going after Flacco?

Are you suggesting that the Broncos front office should be considering making a play to try and trade for Flacco? Do you really think that the Ravens are going to be willing to part with Flacco? Sure, I would love to have Flacco on our team. I also am not sold that Orrton will be a long term solution for us, but come on. I have to agree with AllBroncs on this one. This discussion is akin to speculating how much better we would be if we had Payton Manning or if we had Mario Williams. It’s just not going to happen, so why sit here fantasizing?

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Sep 1, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skills We Want

No, I think the relevance is that perhaps a skill set that includes some downfield skills might be a desirable trait in a quarterback. Note that both Chicago and Baltimore previously sought a premium QB for over a decade, so these are not talents easy to find. However, I think it is a topic worth thinking about for the future if our current QB corps disappoint. We all do lots of dreaming on this website. Why cut off thinking about this topic?

by Baltimore Bronco on Sep 1, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

No harm in deaming. I would indeed love to have Flacco (or a QB with his skill set). Hopefully Brandstater will be that guy for us. He impressed me last game. I hope he continues to develop. he definately has the physical skills.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Sep 1, 2009 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Ted

I always look foward to ST & NO :)

by powderaddict on Sep 1, 2009 9:57 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sunday ticket all the way!

I have been a subscriber since it became available since I’m a Bronco in Chiefs territory.

Having the games on laptop were in my plans as well! Just gotta love all the options….I think they even have an option for smart phones this year.

I have to admit that I expected “gimme the damn ball”‘s commentary, but I was dismayed by TJ’s take on the team. I don’t believe that any of the Broncos players have BMarsh’s back on this. TJ seems to disagree….

Enough with the meaningless preseason! Let’s start the season!

A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Sep 1, 2009 10:04 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff, Ted!
Then, I watched ESPN’s abomination of a pregame show, and listened to Keyshawn Johnson (it figures,) Cris Carter (really, Cris?) and Tom Jackson (are you &&%$#& kidding me TJ?) all beat the Pay-Marshall-Now drum.

I saw that too, unfortunately. But calling that pregame show an abomination is an insult to all the other abominations out there, you really must apologize. ;)

Ditka, Keyshawn and Carter week in and week out offer some of the WORST commentary I’ve ever seen on any show. It’s truly embarrassing to watch them. Do they believe their own crap? More importantly, does the general public?? Wow. But their takes this week as Ted alluded to on the Broncos were horrendous. Even Tom Jackson did a “you were right, Key” concerning Kyle Orton. And then one of Ditka’s lone takes on the Broncos/Bears game was something like, (paraphrase) “I saw that game and they (Broncos) got out hustled, out played in every phase of the game….sputter sputter….” He might of even got in a plug for Tough Actin’, Tinactin or something, I wasn’t quite sure. But those three are a laughingstock. ESPN sure knows how to hire ’em, huh? Adam Schefter is one of their only redeeming qualities.

…sorry, enough ranting…..

by Gristle McThornbody on Sep 1, 2009 10:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditka needs to retire

Take away sloppy play by the OL, and Goodman’s “whoa, he actually threw the ball to me!” drop on that pick (we’ll forgive him because he didn’t play with Jay last year, so he probably didn’t actually believe that he’d stare down the receiver that hard and then throw it to him), and the Bears might have lost that game.

But what difference does it make, in the long run? Preseason. Blah. I wish we could go back to the days of not realizing that preseason games were being played. Then we could hold off on the lunacy for 4 more weeks. :)

by BroncosBassist on Sep 1, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL!!!!

“we’ll forgive him because he didn’t play with Jay last year, so he probably didn’t actually believe that he’d stare down the receiver that hard and then throw it to him”

That was awesome!

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Sep 1, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I never ever thought I would say this to a Bronco fan...

…but THANK YOU for calling out all the B.S. thrown around regarding JaMarcus Russell for what it is. If you follow him closely (and believe me, I have) there’s a noticeable and steady progression in his game. It just sucks that it seems much of the rest of our team has regressed. Sigh. Life in Raider Nation.

In any case, this will be the year that J-Russ starts to put it together and I think he really comes into his own next year and cements himself as Oakland’s starter for the next decade.

Anyway, just had to say thanks, I appreciate the bit of sanity regarding Russell. I know that had to be hard for you to say.

We shall see you later. Twice. Go Raiders! :-)

by Raybin on Sep 1, 2009 10:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

As always- I dig your writing style Ted. Many thanks!

by AllBroncsallday on Sep 1, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I am without internet at home until Thursdays, so I sure wasn't going to answer Guru's call. :P

Floyd Little has to get in….

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Sep 1, 2009 10:58 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I know, I wasn't complaining that nobody took the call

It’s all part of the Fairy story

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 1, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep the Little drumbeat pounding

Ted, you and the others are doing a great job of keeping Floyd in the foremost thoughts of Broncos fans worldwide. I’m going to send King and the others a letter on a day I’ve chosen randomly (to avoid a flood), and will send a follow up a few weeks later. I’ll share them here when I do. FLOYD2DHALL!!!

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 1, 2009 11:37 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope you get paid

Your insight is better than the screed I read from the football pundits

by cuseindahuse on Sep 1, 2009 11:55 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Ted

Once again, your post makes my morning! Your analysis is spot on, as always.

Rec’d, of course.

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Sep 1, 2009 12:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks TB

I totally concur on items 2 f and g.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"No, I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."

by KaptainKirk on Sep 1, 2009 12:10 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe

he puts Cortez Kennedy on that list. He was really good, but I can’t believe he would get consideration for the Hall of Fame.

Little was so much more than stats it’s unbelievable. He has meant everything to Denver football. It’s going to break my heart when people like Peter King slap this town in the face and say “Yeah, so?” all over again.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Sep 1, 2009 12:30 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome article! Rec'd

Thanks for sharing the insight into how the magic happens. May the Fairies never leave you.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Sep 1, 2009 1:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

great STNO

love hearing what you see…..great insights for me! I was a little surprised you put Flacco over Ryan….are you giving him a break b/c of the poor WRs on Bal compared to ATL? I guess I just don’t see it.

Your comments about SD D and Den D are fascinating. Standard take on SD is that they think they’ve found their groove. This will lead to lots of confidence starting out the year…..thats great for them, but only if they really have the goods. I am excited about our D as well. I think w/ all the drama the team is flying below the radar….expectations are low. An early loss could put them lower and I think that could be a good thing. If the team can just stay around .500 (at worst) to midway point, all this great coaching/culture should start to kick in and make a difference.

by BideshiBronco on Sep 1, 2009 1:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Bob Hayes also change the way the game is played

ever hear of zone coverage? That was created to stop Bob Hayes. Comparing Floyd Little to Bullet Bob Hayes is patently absurd.

by Cowboysforever on Sep 1, 2009 2:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I actually didn't compare the two as players

If you read what i wrote, I compared the situations. Hayes was helped by the availability of the Dallas hype machine. This is a true statement, and it doesn’t diminish Hayes’ qualifications or accomplishments.

Since you mentioned it, though, Floyd Little and Bob Hayes are very comparable. Both have stats which, because of the era in which they played and other factors, are lower than modern day players, and both are qualified Hall of Famers. And Floyd changed the game too, by being the first really notable all-purpose back, and is still probably the greatest one ever.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 1, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Um no
Since you mentioned it, though, Floyd Little and Bob Hayes are very comparable. Both have stats which, because of the era in which they played and other factors, are lower than modern day players,

The NFL back then was a much more run oriented league. Receiving stats since then have been inflated much more than rushing stats.

by Cowboysforever on Sep 1, 2009 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

Have you checked out Blogging The Boys, a very nice Cowboys blog? I see you are new to SB Nation and have only registered with MileHighReport. Perhaps it was by accident, but either way, check out Blogging The Boys, great guys!

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/

by studbucket on Sep 1, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
A guy I didn’t love coming out of college was Joe Flacco, but I am 100% sure now that he’s a true franchise QB. I didn’t see a lot of him at Delaware, hence my initial indifference, but the guy has a great arm, good mobility, and poise that is really rare, for such a young guy. He’s what Jay Cutler could have been, with a better personal makeup. I like him better than Matt Ryan too, though Ryan has a lot of redeeming qualities, himself.

Flacco doesn’t hold Ryan’s jock strap. Flacco may be a decent to above average starter one day, but Ryan has the chance to be elite..

And the best part of that paragraph is, “what Cutler could have been.” Um Cutler is already a very good QB, and probably will be an elite QB. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Trading Cutler will rank as one of the worst trades of all time, and McDaniels will pay for it when orton stinks it up.

by Cowboysforever on Sep 1, 2009 2:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmmmmmm...

How long has it been since the cowboys did anything of note? Tony Romo’s fumble vs. Seattle is the highlight of their last decade of “work.” Jessica Simpson doesn’t realize just how lucky she is.

by 42n81 on Sep 1, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have had winning seasons for the past four years

how successful has your franchise been in that same period?

by Cowboysforever on Sep 1, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I don't play the conventional wisdom game here...

I get my information from my eyes. If you want a regurgitation of what the mainstream media thinks, this is not the place to find it.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 1, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Facts vs. Truth

Sometimes I think the line between the two becomes more blurry than it should be.

by studbucket on Sep 1, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't know me, but I am going to bow out here, in typical fashion...

I am in the saying-what-I-think business, and definitely not the arguing business. My evaluations are what they are, and frankly, I don’t really care what you think about them. I’m the guy who watches all the football, and writes the column, so I get to say what I think. That’s the way this column works. Other blogs work differently, I imagine, and maybe you ought to check them out, if you want to spar with somebody.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 1, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

King and Zimmerman control the Hall Of Fame

And its an absolute joke.If King and Dr Z think you should be in,you are in.With that being said,Floyd Little is not the most deserving Bonco for the Hall of Fame.The most deserving Bronco is no 53 himself Randy Gradishar.I always felt that Gradishar was the second best Middle Linebacker in his prime(I will give the nod to Jack Lambert) and was the cornerstone of a dominating defense,also leading the league in tackles every year.
I think Zach Thomas should make the Hall of Fame also, and Gradishar was the same type of player,only better.
Let’s make the push to put Randy in the Hall!

by OrangeCrush4082 on Sep 1, 2009 2:24 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Gradishar was the Broncos defensive face for a long time, but his fellow defenders provided a much stronger cast than the offensive players the Broncos put around Little. I think a nice bouquet of Broncos, including Gradishar, Little, Atwater and Sharpe would make a nice, long-awaited addition to the Hall of Fame.

by 42n81 on Sep 1, 2009 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zim Not in Good Shape

I agree with you on Gradishar, but he will have to wait for the Veteran’s Committee nod and that may mean a decade of waiting if Little gets in. They are likely to spread around the wealth.

Zim had a severe stroke, I believe, so he isn’t calling the shots these days.

Let’s just be positive with Little this year and hopefully he and Sharpe make it a Denver year.

by Baltimore Bronco on Sep 1, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If

Tedy Bruschi gets in the Hall of Fame, and Randy still isn’t in, I will freak. He should have been in 18 years ago. Someone was talking about how McGinest and Bruschi could get in, and they aren’t deserving at all. That makes me upset. It just goes to show how much of a joke the HOF process is because the wrong people have too much pull.

by PABroncofan on Sep 2, 2009 12:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Also

they were talking about Rodney Harrison getting in. Is he a HOFer over Atwater? Heck, no. He was a cheap-shot artist who played for the overrated, media darling Patriots.

by PABroncofan on Sep 2, 2009 12:29 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

As I watched the Bills-Steelers snooze-fest Sunday, I was thinking that the Bills profoundly erred in picking Aaron Maybin, and would have been better off taking Michael Oher (or trading up to get an even higher-rated OT). They can’t block anybody, and they’re going to finish in last place in the AFC East because of it. It’s too bad, because they are very good at WR, in the secondary, and on special teams.

The Bills have an awful pass rush, too. The leading sacker last year had 4 sacks. The OL has Eric Wood, one of my favorites going into the draft and a back up OT by the name of Demetrius Bell. Bell was a 7th rounder last year but may take over at LT sometime this year. He is that good. The OL won’t be the reason the Bills season stinks. It will live or die with Trent Edwards.

From what I heard, Oher didn’t present himself all that well to the Bills’ personnel during his interview with the team and they decided to pass. We also heard that if Andre Smith was available when we picked, he would have been selected. Thank God he wasn’t, BTW.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008. Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free.

by MattRichWarren on Sep 3, 2009 7:10 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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