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So...we're ALL frustrated with the media. I get it...


I think we're averaging 3 or 4 fan posts a week on this topic of media.  We all need to get over it.  Me included. 

Most outlets think the Broncos stink and will stink and are stupid.  That's their right and somebody (regardless of whether they should or shouldn't) pays that person to write down their opions.  Just because we don't agree doesn't mean the analyst's job is incomplete or unfounded. 

It's a chicken and the egg type of situation right now.  Did our demand for specialized information create this divisive type of media coverage or did the media coverage cause fans to act derisively towards the media? 

The answer is: who cares. 

To use a cliche postgame interview quote: "it just it what it is." 

After the jump is a great article that sums it up for me and generally speaking, is something we should all remember before climbing back up on the soap box to rant about how callow John Clayton's analysis of the Denver Broncos was or is.

Star-divide

The following is from Football Outsiders today, written by Mike Tanier:

You know more about football than the typical "expert" knew 25 years ago.

Back in 1984, it was nearly impossible to watch more than three NFL games in a typical week: the early Sunday game, the late game, and the Monday Night game. Now, you can watch seven or eight without breaking a sweat: three Sunday games, the Monday Night game, and as many as four NFL Network Shortcut games.

In 1984, you watched the home team and a handful of the top national teams, like the Cowboys or Dolphins. A Philadelphia area fan could go two or three seasons with no opportunity at all to see, say, the Falcons: They rarely played the Eagles, were blacked out on CBS whenever the Eagles played, and made few appearances on national television. Now, it’s easy to keep track of a low-profile team on the other side of the country, and Matt Ryan’s family in the Delaware Valley can watch him all year for the price of a satellite dish or a trip to a sports bar.

In 1984, those of us with VCRs could record grainy, clunky game tape. Now, we can conveniently tape games in high-definition with the push of a DVR or Tivo button. With a satellite dish, we can tape two or more Sunday games while watching two others.

In 1984, we read the local paper for our news. We got plenty of information on the home team, a few insights about past or future opponents, and AP reports and capsules about the rest of the league. An ambitious fan might subscribe to The Sporting News, Pro Football Weekly, maybe a gambling service. Now, we search the Internet and get our information straight from the sources. If we need to know about the Bills, we read Buffalo News. If we want a national roundup, we have a hundred choices.

We got our stats from tiny, agate-type midweek lists and from the backs of magazines in 1984. Now, we get them from Football Outsiders and Pro Football Reference and NFL.com. Pregame shows were a half hour long in 1984. Their length has nearly quadrupled, and while their information content hasn't, they provide more knowledge than Phyllis George or Jimmy the Greek did.

You get the idea. You watch more football, read more about football, ingest more data and opinion about football than it was possible to absorb just 25 years ago. High level experts and analysts of that era could easily gain an edge over the common fan: they could get their hands on out-of-town papers or game tape, interview a player or telephone a colleague, go to the basement to search the stacks.

Those advantages barely exist anymore. You can watch a press conference or download the transcript. You can read the out-of-town blogs. The marginal knowledge that separates the extremely passionate fan -- and that’s what you are if you are still reading at this point -- from the professional football analyst has grown very small, and it’s shrinking constantly.

That’s why you find your local columnist frustrating, the television color commentator unlistenable: you know too much, and they probably haven’t changed with the times.

That's one reason why newspapers are scrambling to stay in business. The marginal knowledge gap doesn't just exist in sports, but in current events, entertainment, and other fields as well. Your local paper is still learning how to compete with CNN.com or with pundit-like bloggers of all philosophies when covering national news, with TMZ.com and fanboy sites for entertainment news. It’s a scary fact that some newspapers just won't be able to compete, and many have folded or cut to the quick.

It's a reason Football Outsiders stays in business and people like me get writing opportunities. Our databases are a source of extra knowledge, information you cannot get anywhere else. You may read the Buffalo News before I do, you may research Schonert’s career on your own and acquire more information than I have time to provide. But I know that the Bills went 0-for-15 on third-and-10 situations last year, and while you also have access to that information (page 29 of FOA) I had it before you did, which could have made a big difference if Schonert was fired in July.

The realization that marginal knowledge is always shrinking forces conscientious, dedicated football analysts -- and yes, I consider myself conscientious and dedicated -- to keep learning more about the game. For me, that means studying more game tape, because strategy and play diagrams have become my niche. For Football Outsiders, that means more research and more stat compilation. We can stay relevant, interesting, and in-demand by introducing new stats and methods like the FEI, Speed Scores, Receiving Plus-Minus, and by freeze framing plays and counting empty-backfield plays so no one else has to. If we stop evolving and adapting, someone will pass us by, individually or as an organization.

Anyone can write an article about Turk Schonert. Anyone can compile quotes, cite stats, add a little spin. Heck, anyone can transfer play-by-play onto some spreadsheets, type in a few formulas, and create some DVOA-like stats. We survive by surfing a tiny whitecap of knowledge, by working harder and harder to know a little more and to impart that knowledge in an entertaining way.

It's daunting. It's stressful. And I wouldn't want it any other way. I'm in this business to learn more and to pass along what I’m learning, not to string together second-hand facts.

I just thought this was interesting and a timely read.

GO BRONCOS...

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The internet killed the media star.

Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.

by Bob in Boulder on Sep 10, 2009 1:39 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

This was the quote that hit me...
The marginal knowledge that separates the extremely passionate fan — and that’s what you are if you are still reading at this point — from the professional football analyst has grown very small, and it’s shrinking constantly.

So true…

by super7 on Sep 10, 2009 1:43 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Great quote from the story

That’s the first time that I’ve heard a member of the media state this so bluntly and accurately. If the media wants to survive, they will have to do what every business has had to do over time – provide something that no one else can and that a lot of folks will want to buy. In this case, the writers will have to learn more about the game than the average writer, have better sources than the bloggers who can sit and read direct tweets for hours if they wish to and/or have a perspective that no one else can bring. Increasingly, those writers are becoming fewer and farther between.

Thew thing that originally brought me to MHR was the writing of HT. I stayed for the members, and styg and John’s work, and later for the chance to write, which I love doing. HT’s work was unique in that he was willing to take the time to impart knowledge that most of us couldn’t get or hadn’t found and was able to provide it in a style that is easily accessible as well as interesting. That’s a gift. There are a lot of individual options that a writer might be able to bring to the table, but if they don’t bring something, fewer and fewer people will read them.

To be fair, muck-raking has always sold and probably always will. That’s a big reason that you’re reading so much of it right now. It’s something that takes relatively little real understanding – just a strong stomach and a willingness to write that kind of thing.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 10, 2009 1:54 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

So true.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Sep 10, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

a problem
If the media wants to survive, they will have to do what every business has had to do over time – provide something that no one else can and that a lot of folks will want to buy.

as much as we will want to buy, we’ll want it for free even more.

as long as you're paying attention

by neurospasm on Sep 11, 2009 5:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guilty as Charged

Very interesting read. If they would all stop acting like they know everything and getting facts, as opposed to opinions, wrong, then I would be much more forgiving. No more posts from me on the MSM, well, at least for a week.

by phondonkey on Sep 10, 2009 1:58 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hear hear!

I’ve been trying to preach this for months now without being preachy. Just let it go! Watch the games with no sound – you don’t need people to tell you what your eyes are already seeing. Do your own research, watch your own highlights, draw your own conclusions and first and foremost – have some fun with this – it’s meant to be entertainment! Just ignore that background buzz, whether it’s negative or positive, they really don’t know any more than you do. Smile! Go Broncs!

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Sep 10, 2009 2:14 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Do you remember the experiment

Where there were no color announcers and the game was simply televised with the ambient sounds of the stadium? That was just great to me, but surveys showed people preferred having announcers.

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Sep 10, 2009 3:27 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I remember

I thought it was great, but the results back up my point and helps explain a lot of the phenomenon: people love having their opinions “confirmed” by others and the cascade can get pretty loud.

It's "just" football

by Donkhead on Sep 10, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back in the days of Play-by-Play and Color

I miss the days when there was a guy that pointed out details of the play and the other guy that knew history and stats. I wish the sports guys were sports guys instead of commentators that think we want to always hear their opinions. Leave the editorializing for their blogs (that I will never read) and just do the game!

broncorat

by broncorat on Sep 10, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

100% agree

Love this site, but the obsession with MSM is over the top. Every teams fan feel scorned by the media and have boycott lists of so and so.
If Denver wins the media will come around, no reason to cry about it now. Guess what, the media ‘hated’ the Rockies earlier this year as well. Now, everyday another article praising the amazing Rox’s.
Personally I could not care less what the MSM’s opinion of the Bronco’s are. I only care how the Bronco’s perform. Sunday if the Bronco’s win I wont be happy because the MSM media has to eat crow, I’ll be happy because the Bronco’s won. If they lose I won’t be mad because the media can pile on, I’ll be mad because the Bronco’s lost.
Go Bronco’s, go neckbeard, and of course keep killing em Rockies!

by AKfan on Sep 10, 2009 6:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for pointing this article out

I wouldn’t have seen it otherwise.

And definitely agreed on the posts directed towards, well, basically bitc#ing about the msm – That’s what we’re all here for, is to ‘get away’ from all that in the first place right? LoL – no offense to those posters intended at all, but (especially) in retrospect, it is kind of oxonomoronificated.

= )

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 11, 2009 12:11 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Article

What this really brought home for me is that someone like John Clayton is no different than you or me. He hasn’t played the game and now he has no more information than us so he is not really an expert any more. He has no gravitas.

Some of the former players and coaches might have some unique incites, but they usually don’t get the whole picture. Most of us who read MHR see more of the Broncos than any of the experts.

Let’s just enjoy the season.

by ocbroncomaniac on Sep 11, 2009 9:24 AM MDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Does that mean some people who casually frequent this site have a higher football IQ than Skip Bayless?

The answer, of course, is yes.

by dr.mort on Sep 11, 2009 10:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

by some you mean ALL, right?

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 11, 2009 10:46 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yet people like this guy get less access to the official NFL than people in the Old Media.

Hopefully that will change eventually too……………………..

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Sep 11, 2009 11:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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