MHR Chalk Talk Week 1 -- Denver Broncos at Cincinnati Bengals

Denver fans have endured an amazing reloading season that saw profound changes. Two-time Super Bowl-winning coach Mike Shanahan? Gone. Pro Bowl quarterback Jay Cutler? Gone. Offensive and Defensive coordinators? Gone. Even the 4-3 defense, gone.
Some may have thought this discomforting. But if mediocre seasons for the past few years made fans complacent, it didn't affect owner Pat Bowlen. Perhaps Mr. Bowlen was tired of the lack of a pass rush, or the poor tackling, or the over-pursuit, or the lack of a discernible system on the defense. Perhaps he was tired of the offense that could rack up yards without touchdowns, or the interception-prone QB, or the absence of run plays, or the multiple injuries on offense. Special teams; don't even get me started.
So after much change, fire, and smoke in the reloading season, Denver has a new-look team from top to bottom. Will it be enough? Let's take a look at the first regular season matchup between Denver and Cincinnati, and see what might be expected from the new Denver Broncos.
CIN Offense vs DEN Defense
Cincy can do two things very well. First, they run a zone-block run scheme (with and without one-cut running) between the tackles. Second, they have three capable receivers and they like to threaten the deep pass. Carson Palmer is one of the better QBs in the NFL, and he has three terrific targets in Chad Ochocinco, Laveranues Coles and Chris Henry. Cedric Benson is the primary threat on the ground up the middle (along with Brian Leonard), and Bernard Scott can be a threat to the outside.
The potential weaknesses for the team includes new faces all over the offensive line and the loss (due to injury) of the two starting TEs.
Denver's defense is intriguing. They sport a legendary lineup at the defensive backs positions. Champ Bailey (at CB) and Brian Dawkins (at FS) are considered by many to be the best players to have have ever played at their positions. Andre' Goodman has been terrific in the preseason at the #2 CB position, and Denver has a steal at nickel corner in rookie Alphonso Smith.
Question marks are on the DL and at LB. Denver's base defense is (arguably) a 5-2 defense. With both of the "OLBs" lining up at scrimmage, and with most of the players listed at OLB being true "DEs", the Broncos sport a 3-4 in name only. Denver's strength now becomes the pass rush (demonstrated well in the preseason), as well as run stopping up the middle. The addition of a lineman (creating a DE, DG, NT, DG, DE look) makes up for the lack of elite skill at a few DL positions, and empowers the outside rush considerably (watch for Elvis Dumervil to have a great year). D.J. Williams will continue to star at LB, but the loss of a LB in the formation will test the defense's ability to stop medium and short passes to the seams and flats.
So how do these two programs match up?
Denver is fortunate in several areas. First, Denver's high-powered pass rush faces a questionable OL. Palmer is an excellent QB, but is also injury prone. To keep him safe, Expect CIncy to drop Palmer back further in passing situations, and to keep the RBs in for protection. If the rush is effective, it could negate the deep passes, which take some time to develop. Cincy may find success in making quicker, short passes. Screens and quick hooks could take advantage of the 5-2 look, while avoiding the threat of excellent CB coverage. However, the lack of strong TE roles will rob Cincy of some of these options.
Second, while Cincy's strength is the passing game (particularly the vertical, deep passes), Denver's elite secondary is worth giving pause to any team that wants to air out the ball.
Cincy's best shot may be to challenge the Denver run defense. If Cincy can pound the ball up the center, or take advantage of the edges (where Denver has a formation weakness without wide OLBs), then they take Denver's elite secondary out of the game. While Denver has a formation that should stop runs up the middle, it is a high-risk proposition. Any run that gets to the second level has already cleared most of the Denver front seven, and has breakaway potential (since Denver packs the line with a 5-2 look). The addition of Brian Dawkins at FS becomes a critical offseason move for Denver in this respect.
If Cincy does try the short passing plan, expect Denver to counter with a zone-blitz approach. This would be a classic use of the Amoeba philosophy of the Patriots (brought to town by new HC Josh McDaniels). The defense would make a radical shift from a 5-2 look that plays as a 3-4, with the 5-2 ends playing as LBs. Otherwise, if Cincy bets Palmer and his three excellent WRs deep against the Denver secondary, expect Denver to keep the 5-2 and focus on the pass rush.
DEN Offense vs CIN Defense
Denver has a lot of strengths on their offense, but one glaring question mark.
Denver's OL is the best in the business. They provide secret service-like protection to the QB, but can zone block defenses into submission on run plays. The receiver depth chart is, well, deep. Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, and Brandon Stokley have been cornerstones, but new receivers Jabar Gaffney, Brandon Lloyd, and Kenny McKinley have looked solid in the preseason. The only question at receiver is whether Marshall has learned enough of the playbook (having been suspended for goofing off in camp).
At TE, Denver sports ace blocker Daniel Graham (who has proven he can catch) and ace receiver Tony Scheffler. At RB, Denver has first-round pick Knowshon Moreno, but the likely starter will probably be the versatile Correll Buckhalter and the powerful Peyton Hillis.
The glaring question mark? Kyle Orton is the first QB to come to Denver who isn't being compared to John Elway. But he faces comparisons to Jay Cutler, and has an injured finger on his passing hand (he'll be wearing a glove for the injury during the game). Orton is surrounded with the best weapons and protection that can be afforded, but he is learning a new system, and has an injury.
Cincy's defense is intriguing. Their run defense is solid, so the matchup in the run game against Denver's zone block should be a good one. Cincy's weakness has been the pass rush, but they have focused on improving the rush and complementing it with blitz packages this offseason, as well as upgrading personnel. This will be a question mark for Cincy, and the best test they may have all season could be against the elite Denver OL.
The most glaring weaknesses for this game may be the coverage abilities of the Cincy safeties, and an injury to the Cincy nickelback. This gives Orton a special opportunity to prove himself in the passing game.
Keys to the Game
Denver
- Must convert on 3rd downs. Denver is not a quick-strike team. They rely on the running game and a lot of screen passes to move down the field for sustained drives. They can't afford to give up many opportunities to convert.
- Limit penalties. In the first three preseason games, Denver found themselves in long down-and-distance situations because of costly penalties. This may be attributed to learning new schemes in the preseason, and the problem seemed to disappear in the last preseason game. With the need for sustatined drives, Denver cannot afford penalties in this game.
- Assert the pass rush. To stop a good QB like Palmer, Denver needs to use the pass rush to help the secondary. The pass rush can lead to turnovers, can threaten a fragile Palmer (who missed much of last season and this preseason), and take away the time needed to develop the hallmark of Cincy's pass game - the deep ball.
Cincinnati
- Stop the run / force the pass. Cincy's strength on defense is stopping the run, and Denver's question mark may be the pass game. Playing to their own strength is critical. Orton may or may not perform well in his first regular season game with Denver, but if Denver can establish the run, Denver not only gets more 1st downs but they also get to set up passing chances for Orton.
- Protect Palmer. Cincy won't get far in the season, or in any individual game without Carson Palmer. He's already facing a tough secondary in this game; the last thing he needs is pressure from opposing rushers.
- Test the edges. In the run game, Denver has little support on the edge of the field if a Cincy runner can "round the corner". The bulk of the defensive second level is two LBs in the center of the field. On pass plays, there are openings for passes in the area between the outer CBs and the two Denver LBs if someone can create separation. With the starting TEs out, Cincy might want to try passes to the RB or FB in this area.
Conclusion
The Broncos head into this game as 4-point underdogs. I think Denver's chances are good, but much will rest on Kyle Orton. If he has a good game (or can just hold his own), Denver should do well. If Orton plays poorly, I don't believe the defense or even the running game can salvage the win.
The importance of this game is morale. If Denver starts with an 0-1 record, much of the fan base and the media will crucify the team. A win would go a long ways towards building confidence, both for the players and the fans. I don't expect a great record this year, but I do expect improved play. Denver needs to win the "easier" games on a rough schedule, and while this game is far from a "gimme", this is a game the team has a good shot at.
There is another possibility. A convincing win wouldn't persuade the media, but it would elevate fan support and player confidence to a high level. Despite the abysmal season in '08, Denver fans were high on a team that crushed the Raiders in the opening game, and didn't crash to Earth until the team had been showing signs of catastrophic decay for several games.
In other words, an opening win or opening loss will probably weigh heavily on the hearts of fans for a few weeks, so Denver needs to come out strong.
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I posted this over at CincyJungle...
…but I see Denver winning 19-6 in a game not really that close. Carson Palmer might, maybe, potentially return to form, but they can’t protect him. They have a terrible mismatch at S against the Denver scheme, which means Roy Williams, Crocker, and guys like Rey Maluga are going to be forced into coverage situations they can’t handle. Denver, meanwhile, will move the ball will relative ease but be stiffled in the redzone for the most part.
My game MVPs:
Offense— Huge game from Hillis, mostly catching the ball.
Defense- Doom makes life miserable and forces at least two turnovers through pressure.
ST— Matt Prater nails at least 4 field goals, mostly inside the 20.
Final: Denver 19 -Cincy 6, but very misleading.
by PredominantlyOrange on Sep 11, 2009 11:41 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I went over to CincyJungle to check out their reactions and didn't see it.
How long would it usually take for something like that to show up?
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word To The Wise
When in doubt, click on their screen-name and look at their posts. You should see PD’s post over at CincyJungle.
by Endzone on Sep 11, 2009 3:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Endzone.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yesssssssss
and were still laughing no way your dee can hold us to 6 points Benson will have over 100 yards and palmer will pick apart your secondary
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 11, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I am pleased that you are still laughing...
…I read through Chalk Talk one more time to see if HT made any such prediction about the Bengals scoring only six points. That just doesn’t sound like him. Sure enough. No such prediction. Could be one of the Broncos faithful said as much. I’ve read similar but opposite predictions, not unlike yours, supra , from Bengals fans. Both of you just seem to be fans who have a lot of faith in the teams they root for. Nothing wrong with that.
But I’d like to point out that if you don’t take the time to read what HT wrote you’ll be missing out on a wonderful opportunity to obtain a deeper understanding of how the game, both this particular match-up, and the game in general, is played. HT is a deep thinker who also has a rare gift of being able to look at both teams with brutal honesty. Further, he also has way of making what he sees and thinks understandable to common fans like you and me. And that, my friend, can make the game so much more enjoyable.
Of course, it is your right to decline that opportunity.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
ill take the time ane read it always nice to get the view of the other team and there thoughts im a lil biased
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 11, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck to your bengals, except...
…you know.
And I’ll repeat what I said over there at Cincy Jungle: I pray nobody is seriously injured and we both beat up on the Steelers.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for having my back Counsel!
Though, to be fair to our guest, he was responding to PredominantlyOrange’s comment.
Still, you are very correct about my deep thinking and rare gifts.
lol
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 11, 2009 6:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
" I pray nobody is seriously injured and we both beat up on the Steelers."
Ditto that.
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
by bradley on Sep 11, 2009 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read HT s comments
was interesting and although i might disagree he makes some good points heres a view from the Jungle.First off Palmers seen a few good dees remember we play the Ravens and Steelers twice a year so Palmer knows how 2 adjust to diiffrent schemes and not much he hasnt seen.We havnt had a great o-line since Palmers been here yet hes still third in the AFC since 2005 in TD passes and he missed a year.I think both defenses have improved alot since last year by draft and free agency but i think overall we have the better defense.I think the key is the running game which both teams have question marks if Denver can run the ball it will cause problems for Cincy and will open up your passing game.But im thinking we will be able to control your running game and it will be a long day for Orton.Benson i feel will be better by the 4th quarter as your deefense tends to wear down as the game goes on and by the 4th quarter he will run through it and force your linebackers and safties to commit more to him and then Palmer burns you anyways i predict a close game until the 4th quarter then we get a couple a scores and put the game away final score Bengals 27 Broncos 16
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 12, 2009 6:44 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry...
…FTJ…I’ll be by to eat my crow if need be.
The Denver defense, particularly against the run, is far better than you think. Maybe your oline and secondary are better than I give them credit for, but that’s where I’m hanging my homer hat this week.
by PredominantlyOrange on Sep 11, 2009 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't vote in prediction polls
for fear of jinxing. ;-) So I abstained here.
But I think it will be a fairly close game, and have a good feeling about it, will just say that much.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Sep 11, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post, my biggest worry is that Cincy will run the hurry-up offense.
I believe the only two sustained and long drives in our last two games against our D came during the hurry-up.
I think we match up better than Colin Cowdung thinks and we should win this one….the red zone play will be key for us.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Sep 11, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Best description of that guy I have heard so far
Cowdung
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Sep 11, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, hit me like a ton of bricks after I had a thought:
Colin Cowherd is spewing bullsh*t…bullsh*t=cowdung…didn’t take long for me to piece that one together. Prolly longer than most though. lol :P
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Sep 11, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zappa,
Beings I have a few critters to observe ( also have to watch where I step )
I feel qualified to say: Its Cowpie.
So that would be Colin Cowpie or
if you prefer: Magpie Colin.
just a thought… lol
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Sep 11, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was little, (like under 10 yrs old), my friends and I thought it was fun to hurl "dried" up cowpies at each other....
every once in a while…one of us would pick one up that “looked” dry. lol
Random..I know.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Sep 11, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Sep 11, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way HT,
I voted We win moderately
I am so glad we have finally reached the season
opener, it has been a long offseason.
As the dust settles, may we all remember the reason
we are all here…
and support OUR Team,
The Denver Broncos…
Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM
by UB3 on Sep 11, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the dry ones...
….make good campfires.
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
by bradley on Sep 11, 2009 6:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait............... Cowdung isn't his real name?
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 12, 2009 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does have a ring to it, lol.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't underestimate...
Cincy’s problems at TE and pass-catching RB. They are not in a position to exploit the Denver D’s biggest weakness.
by PredominantlyOrange on Sep 11, 2009 11:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
This limits Palmer’s options for checkdown. Looking for some sacks!
by Steeplebomb on Sep 11, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Denver needs to come out strong
but worry that people will overreact no matter what happens in this game. As you point out above, they had a huge blowout win to open last season and looked good at times for awhile after that but ended up imploding terribly last season. With a new coach and scheme and a lot of new players, while they’re perfectly capable of winning this game, and the schedule does start off easier and gets harder, they still seem like a team that will play better and better as the season progresses.
I can’t get this point across to people who are ready to crucify at the drop of a hat, but still would like to emphasize a little patience. A win to start would be huge, no doubt, but whatever happens won’t foretell the team’s long-term future with McDaniels.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Sep 11, 2009 11:50 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Fans and the MSM may over react,
but I don’t think McDaniels or the Broncos will. McDaniels isn’t built that way and team leaders like Dawkins are just too wise. I think they’ve got their feet solidly planted on the ground. A loss will not swamp this boat and a win will not make them giddy.
I don’t know what the score or final record will be but I see a very physical, competetive team that is in this thing for the long haul.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
I’m not worried about his or the team’s perspective getting out of whack based on the results of one game. Hopefully, if per chance they lose, they can tune out the chatter out there. And if they win, I think they’ll keep perspective, knowing they’ll still have work to do.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Sep 11, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good article.
I don’t agree that Denver has demonstrated a “high-powered pass rush”. I think their pass rush was too binary in the preseason. Either they sacked the QB or he had too much time too throw. We need more pressure on plays where we don’t get the sack.
I also think Denver’s 0line is the best pass blocking unit, but I think they have some weaknesses in run blocking, both inthe zone scheme and straight up.
by Broncos_FTW on Sep 11, 2009 11:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll give credit to Denver's D for hurry ups in the pre-season.
Even a hostile media seems to accept that Denver’s pass rush has been very good.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 11, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah if you don't think we got pressure without
sacks……..check out Cutler in the first qtr in the Bears game. And did I say GO PACKERS!
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 12, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's interesting, for the first time in a long time I really have no clue
I would say we probably loss close for three reasons:
1) Historically we don’t do well on early morning away games.
2) I think Cinncy sees this as a must win since they have a tough division to play in.
3) We typically don’t do well in Cinncy, I can remember the Corey Dillion game and that Monday night game, I don’t know what it is but we have a tough time playing there
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by Broncoman on Sep 11, 2009 11:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good points all.
At least on the morning game issue: McDaniels has revamped training to get earlier each day of the week. At least he is aware of the issue and making a fix, so I give him some credit on that one.
Good stuff Broncoman!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 11, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
I love this game. Cincy has great weapons. They’re a danger every time they touch the ball, but they have weaknesses that can be exploited, too. McDaniels isn’t going to take anyone lightly, and least of all Cincy.
It’s the first real game in a couple of brand new systems – offense and defense, with ST thrown in to boot. I can’t wait to see where we are and what we can accomplish in terms of scheming as well as scheme. We are a cipher wrapped in an enigma, to quote Churchill. The only thing I’m sure of is that I’ll have a great time seeing what it is that we’ve been working towards. Go Broncos!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 11, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
rem 03
we open at ciny and won big
okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule
by j-man on Sep 11, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, j-man
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 11, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orton to start Sunday
as per Denver Post
(barring a last minute stitches in time to save nine)
Wearing a glove on his right throwing hand to protect his bandage, which protects the stitches to close the gash on his right index finger, Orton is throwing the ball with his usual zip and depth.
Orton, perhaps by coaches orders, said: ""We’ll see on Sunday." But he also said he has had no limitations.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Sep 11, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels also seemed to indicate....
…that Orton hasn’t been hampered by the glove. I expect Orton to be a go.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 11, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if he has to wear the glove
I think he should go with this one, in honor of that recently deceased celebrity, whatshisname.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Sep 11, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good one underdog!
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
by firstfan on Sep 11, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
so YOU have the other one!
Lol
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by KaptainKirk on Sep 11, 2009 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you really Loco Stinko
will let him borrow that?
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 12, 2009 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My ideal outcome for the season
would be that Denver is actually competitive in every game it plays this year and well equipped to avoid a blowout by anyone.
I think the best teams I have seen in the last 10 years all started a bit shaky in the early season games, caught some breaks and were able to continue to improve allseason long reaching a peak in late December.
While a blowout win would be nice, I will be wellengouraged with a team playinga s one and being competitive throughout the game with a moerate win. If that happens, we will see a lot of good things from the team all season long.
I also expect this group to look a lot diffrent than they did in preseason. The offense will look diffrent particularly in the ara of what kinds of passes are being thrown and the defense will look far more varied and agressive than they have in the last four games. This is when it counts folks.
"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers
by AlanC11 on Sep 11, 2009 12:00 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Good perspective
I couldn’t stand to watch last year’s team later in the season because of too many embarrassing losses, porous defense and turnovers. If nothing else, I am optimistic that your wish will come true, that this team will at least be competitive in every game it plays. That alone will be a good start, compared to last year.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Sep 11, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though I am optimistic about the Broncos
I won’t et my hopes up that they will come away with a victory in this contest. If they do then we all celebrate but the rebuilding isn’t over yet. Lots of things have to come together to make this team great and it isn’t about Kyle Orton or losing Jay Cutler they are just parts of this puzzle. They will eventually get the ball going in the direction it needs to go.
by bfree2bronc on Sep 11, 2009 12:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Make mine 21-16 with Cincy winning.
I think red zone execution will be the determining factor in this game. From what I’ve seen, Denver still struggles in the red zone.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
by McGeorge on Sep 11, 2009 12:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree McGeorge,
we really didn’t show much in the Red Zone in the preseason. My hope is that we see a different approach to the Red Zone since we are now in season. I’m still on the fence on this one as it being a toss up.
by bchiper on Sep 11, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont agree on RZ that much...
I think McD used visits to the red zone to run designed plays in designed situations. Do you really think that is the way we would play in the RZ in the REAL season.
What we saw from our side on BOTH sides of the ball is nothing compared to what we will see in the real season. McDaniels is too cunning and smart to show anything in pre season, and so are his coaches.
Just my opinion.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Sep 11, 2009 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boydy
You’re probably right, but we only saw the RZ in the preseason and it left me thinking, I sure hope he does something different in the regular. Which, btw I believe he will. But, I’m still on the fence about the outcome of the game. More caution than anything else. I believe the Broncos will be fine, but, the first game with all the changes may show we still have some work to do to get it going the way McDaniels invisions.
by bchiper on Sep 11, 2009 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries man....
See where ya are coming from, I just think that McD has most of these cats in the NFL done smarts wise and wuld not over look this.
Lets wish for a great performance!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Sep 11, 2009 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% correct
Why would we think that a coach that plays his cards so close to the vest…..showed his red zone intentions in several meaningless games. This is where it is great to know he came from the Patriots…..the secrecy is on our side now too.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 12, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great work, HT...but thats to be expected
IMO, I feel like our D will win this game for us. Its just a tingling sensation deep in my mind that says Doom will pummel Palmer, causing 1 forced, “empty-hand” fumble, that Super Mario will return for a TD. I also look for tipped passes to turn into INTs, hopefully multiple, and Weapon X is gonna open that can marked “Full Funk 45” on any receiver foolish enough to catch over the middle.
I’m sooooo psyched for Sunday!
No inspirational quote here, just this...GO BRONCOS!!!
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by Zogernaut on Sep 11, 2009 12:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the handicappers have this one pretty close, though I would go at-3 myself.
Cincy isn’t a greta team but Iworry that their strengths will match up well to Denvers weaknesses. In particular.
1) Defense – Cincy boasts a pretty good run defense, with solid tackles, a good run stopping LB core(with Rey-Rey being at least a good run stuffer though perhaps a bit vulnerable to misdirection), and 2 run stopping safeties. They are fast and decent tacklers which means screens can be difficult to run.
The Cincy weakness is in pass D – limited pass rush and mediocre coverage personnel(CB’s and safeties). It remains to be seen what Orton and company can do – but unfortuantely with the glove its tough to know what to expect. If Orton can put some medium range passes on target we might score a lot of points but if his aim is off and we have to rely mostly on screens/short passes I think we are in trouble.
2) Our Defense – I am still hoping we have a consistent pass rush – but in all reality I think Doom is still the only pass rusher on this team. If cincy is smart they won’t hesitate to allocate a TE or RB to help block him on every play. If our other D-lineman can’t take advantage of that then I am quite worried we’ll see a talented group of receivers and Palmer take full advtanage of us, like well every QB from last year.
by kappys on Sep 11, 2009 12:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I should say I kind of disagree with the main poster on this one – I think Cincy has a better run D rather than pass D and that will be apparent this year.
by kappys on Sep 11, 2009 12:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Disageement, but good points that you make!
I appreciate differening views when they’re well thought out. I agree that Cincy’s run defense is a good match-up, and Orton is a question mark. I’m reading that the glove has had no real affect though, and Orton has multiple weapons, so I’m hoping that’s the difference.
Also, anything that Cincy schemes to stop Dumervil is subtracting from the other four pass rushers. So I like those odds too.
Even if we disagree on the conclusions, I think your points are solid. Good stuff Kappys!
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 11, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels 1st game
The first regular season game this century without Shanahan at the helm, and though I think the off season has left a lot to be desired in terms of handling of players, I do think that McDaniels has the potential to be a good, perhaps even great, coach….there is more riding on this game for him than perhaps any rookie coach in the league..a convincing win with improved play on both sides of the ball will buy him some measure of credibility from fans and perhaps even some “experts” in the media. I for one expect a few surprises and I am not sure that we should use preseason as a guide for what might happen…perhaps I am just drinking the kool aid, but I expect/hope to see a more disciplined squad, playing more physically and with more precision and I think that will translate to a good start.
Hugo Norton
by Hugo Norton on Sep 11, 2009 12:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hugo
I agree totally with your assessment of tomorrow’s game.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 12, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, thanks HT.
Your pre-game Chalk Talk posts really help me identify what to look for and understand the game better.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 12:44 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Trinidad!
And your comments always give me a big ego!
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 11, 2009 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean an even bigger ego? lol.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Yes, even bigger.
: )
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 11, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 11, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of predictions
this is just from fantasy football perspective, but thought it cool to see Hillis get some love.
In Brandon Funston’s Week 1 Wild Cards column for Yahoo:
DENVER BRONCOS @ CINCINNATI BENGALS
Option play: Peyton Hillis(notes), Denver, RB (Yahoo! Plus ownership/start percentage: 17%/1%)
Deep thoughts: It appears likely that Hillis will handle goal-line carries for the Broncos. In addition, he’s an excellent receiver out of the backfield. Don’t be surprised if new head coach Josh McDaniel finds a way to get him 8-10 touches a week, even if Knowshon Moreno(notes) and Correll Buckhalter(notes) are healthy. With Moreno expected to be limited in Week 1 as he comes back from a preseason knee injury, there’s an even higher probability that Hillis gets 10-12 touches.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Sep 11, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Superb analysis.
You called out several things I had not considered. Very helpful.
I voted “too close to call”. This is NOT a gimme by any means.
Thanks and rec’d!
by NedBronco on Sep 11, 2009 12:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great work HT!
Here’s how I see our offense attacking the Cincy D:
1. Forcing their suspect safeties and nickel corner into coverage duties and taking advantage of them. Cincy has strong CB’s, so I expect to see a lot of Stokely working against their 3rd corner, this is a strong matchup, and one our new “Amoeba” offense should be able to take advantage of. I also see us finding ways to get deep and challenge Roy Williams, who couldn’t cover Ronald Fields on a deep route whilst roped to him. My secondary team is the Dallas Cowboys, I have seen this travesty of a coverage safety in action, engage him and get big yards, very simple.
2. Due to Cincy’s strength against the run, we can put all those bubble screens and RB screen passes we worked so much on in the preseason to good use. I can’t wait to see Knowshon in space doing his thing.
by aLuffabo on Sep 11, 2009 12:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Points!
In particular, we should get our first good look at Knowshon in the open field. He’s quoted as being “100%”, and if so, it should be a real treat.
by Wilde1 on Sep 11, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too, 100% Knowshon = Me pumped.
I will be holding my breath every play he’s out there though, I’m so scared his knee is going to be a problem…
by aLuffabo on Sep 11, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sticking with my original prediction - Broncos 23, Bungles 13
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by Tim Lynch on Sep 11, 2009 1:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Expect the Unexpected
Everyone is think Orton is wounded and sucky on the med- to long passes. That’s where it’s going – probably to Sheffler (those 30 yard catches he’s so good at) and Hillis (a la Miami last year). Balanced by power running up the gut.
by NYCBronx on Sep 11, 2009 1:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My opinion
I pick Denver to win this game in a close one.
My longterm opinion is that this team has not quite gelled yet. It still seems like it is not running on all 8 cylinders. Some of that is injuries to key people. It seems like the players who needed to be there to make things gel ended up injured. i.e. Orton, Moreno Buckhalter, Bmarsh, Bdawk. Fortunately seemingly the first 4 games are lesser opponents. i figure 3-1 in those games. Then by the 5th game the team should come together but they then face seemingly better teams. so statistically or according to the score they won’t seem better but actually will be. so next 5 games 2-3. The finally 7 games the qquality of opponents will ease up again. Denver will go 5-2 during this time. Ending up 10-6 and a much better team than they are right now.
"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me
by 3nS on Sep 11, 2009 1:22 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
This is a game we should win
at the line of scrimmage offensively and defensively. It appears that Cincy’s lines are mediocore.
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by littletinybroncos on Sep 11, 2009 1:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
We win close.
As long as this team respects Cincy (and I believe that they do), I see us sneaking out of there with a win.
My hope is that we stop the run early, and force them to play pass. A quick score from our offense would help that issue as well. With an Cincy OL that is not entirely cohesive, I think that gives us the advantage. Also, middle pressure will be key. If Fields and Baker can push the pocket in the middle, then Palmer should be seeing a lot of Doom. Without it, the OTs can just slide the edge rushers right by and behind Palmer on pass plays. No real middle threat due to the loss of their TEs should help here as well, by allowing Nolan some additional freedom in the blitz package. My main areas of concern are the flats, the deep stuff and the use of the no-huddle.
On offense, I hope to see a huge day from Knowshon and Sheffler. If we can get these guys going early, then the outside stuff is going to be there. Especially with Cincy’s depleted DB corps. Also, long drives are a must, even if they only lead to FGs. The same thing applies to Palmer and Ocho that applies to Manning and Wayne: They can’t hurt you from the bench. Prater is going to need to hit everything he attempts this game as well.
Anyway, great stuff, HT. Much appreciated.
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I don’t like quarterbacks. - DOOM
by jubei on Sep 11, 2009 1:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
WooHoo!
Chalk Talk is back!! Thanks HT.
There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now
by sirsam on Sep 11, 2009 2:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the glove will be the key factor in Orton's success...
…At least if it’s THIS glove he’s wearing:

In It to Win It
It's Orange Crush Time
by USMCWall on Sep 11, 2009 2:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice write up HT
while reading this, I came up with two questions.
Since we are running a variation 3-4 and 5-2 Defense because of the strength of our personnel, Do you think we will draft or acquire through FA, personnel that closer fits the 3-4 theme in the future?
Is it too late to trade Marshall and Orton for Carson Palmer? :-)
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by KaptainKirk on Sep 11, 2009 2:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff Kaptain
1. I don’t see us staying with a true 5-2. Even if we keep the 5-2 look, I would imagine we bring in true OLBs to play the outside. It makes the play designs much more flexible.
2. I wouldn’t. lol
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 11, 2009 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I love about the McDaniels (Patriots, now Broncos) philosophy
is every game plan in all three phases will be specifically for the team we are playing. After we take the HI out of OHIO the first two weeks we will have a special game plan for the RAIDERS and their commitment to excrement.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 12, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
glove or no glove
da Broncos are going down final score Bengals 27 broncos 16 WHO DEY
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 11, 2009 2:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats why the play the games
FTJ………
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 12, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
24-10 Broncos!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Sep 12, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers!
If they can at least break even here, they’ve got a decent chance. They’ve got enough “gelling” challenges without having to compensate for these. Brandon and Knowshon are not in “game shape” yet, so hopefully they won’t be too exposed.
The season’s finally here! Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
by Donkhead on Sep 11, 2009 2:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Turnovers!
I think the key to the game will be turnovers. If we win the turnover battle, we win!
OLine – advantage Denver
DLine – advantage Denver (who woulda thunk it after last year?!)
QB – advantage Cincy
RB – advantage Denver
WR – push
TE – advantage Denver
DB – advantage Denver
ST’s – push
Coaching – advantage Denver
Intangibles – advantage Cincy (stadium + weather)
I am excited to see the real “new-look” Broncos! A lot of attention will be focused on our QB. Believe in the Force (OLine) Kyle! Do Your Job OLine, esp. with some of the new schemes, and avoid downfield penalties.
Our D edges and mid field crossing pattern D will be tested all day. I’m not as convinced that the Bengals have that good a running game considering their new OLine and reliance on Cedric Benson (a Chicago wash-out). I foresee a lot of strongside challenges since that was our greatest weakness in preseason.
Special Teams will be just fine (Hester doesn’t play for the Bengals). It is extremely important for them to win the field position battle.
Broncos Win!
by Endzone on Sep 11, 2009 2:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
hummmmmmmm
how do you give edge to Denver in rbs? you have a unproven rookie and Benson the last 5 games average over 125 yards and your defense which i give isnt the same but last year gave up over 5 yards per carry i dont see the edge for you not untill you prove it on the field and if you think the wrs are a push i disagree OCHO COLES HENRY are better than your 3 plus we have a better qb which helps the wrs obviously
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 11, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Punctuation is a good thing.
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I don’t like quarterbacks. - DOOM
by jubei on Sep 11, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proven Vets Plus Potential
FTJ, We have 3 proven RB’s and you would have had to have seen Knowshon Moreno’s college film and seen what he did in only 3 professional plays. Knowshon Moreno is going to be a superstar. He is the leading preseason bet for rookie of the year.
You have a very good receiving corps. But Denver has a far better OLine and TE’s That combination provides our receiving corps an advantage. Personnel wise they are probably close. Palmer is a very very good QB, though. So I might agree to change my appraisal to a push. But nah! I don’t think your OLine can protect Palmer. Therefore the QB advantage/disadvantage evens out in my view.
by Endzone on Sep 11, 2009 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 proven rbs?
how you figure that what 3 are you refering to and college is not the nfl there has been many rbs do great in college and then bust in the nfl like i said hes unproven i didnt say he wont be just have to see it not sure what 3 rbs your talking about hillis hes not nothn to brag anout hes ok at best buckhaler third string rb in philly? and who else?and if you wanna talk about lines what about your defensive line was it not the worst aganst the run last year ?and our dacks are pretty good and with mag and rivers healty our linebacker are fine orton or whoever will find that out sunday
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 11, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost nobody here
Would trade Hillis for Benson. And Hillis is low on our depth chart.
I like your WR, but I like Royal, Marshall, and Stokely, too — and I think they match up with any team in the league at WR, especially when they can bring in Gaffney, Lloyd, and McKinley as needed.
by JeffG on Sep 11, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Details
Buckhalter – proven (not 3rd but 2d behind Brian Westbrook at Philly). His only knock is that he has been injured in previous years.
Hillis – I guess you didn’t know that Hillis is a beast. I will brag and brag and brag about him … all day long! And he is 3rd on the depth chart!
Jordan – We have some concerns here, but he is a proven back.
Moreno – some rookies you have questions about. I have absolutely none about Moreno. He is a stud.
Add our OLine and these guys will do extremely well.
You? C. Benson, a castoff from the Bears, is your leading RB? Behind him – Scott – 6th round rookie with extensive legal problems. Please child!
Name one returning starter on our DLine? Can’t do it, can you? FTJ, you simply can’t use the Broncos’ last year’s defensive stats to predict this year’s performance. That is like trying to use last year’s Lions defense stats to predict this year’s Steeler’s or Raven’s defense.
Cincy has a pair of good CB’s, but frankly your safeties have a lot of question marks. Denver definitely has better CB’s and safeties. Linebacker comparison is difficult because you run a different scheme than we do. Rey is good but needs to watch his enthusiasm. Rivers – 9th overall pick, 2d year. Good player.
by Endzone on Sep 11, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
fear the jungle
well not sure what else to go by since this is the first game of the year as for Benson being a bear cast off well if he plays like he did at the end of last year we got a steal there and i thank them im no child btw im just trying to understand your reasoning hillis a beast?wow and we also have dorsey a quick change of pace should catch a couple of screens our te is a big ? mark but palmer really dont throw alot to the te anyways few relize Palmer is third in afc touchdown pases since 2005 and he missed a year i see him adding a few to that sunday and i hope you cover ocho 1 on 1 with bailey as ocho has tourched him before
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 11, 2009 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW to all
Both teams are loaded at WR, Denver has excellent depth at RB, and Cincy’s Benson deserves a lot of respect. There’s enough good to go around.
This will be a good match-up for both teams.
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 11, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"hillis a beast?wow "
You’ll remember this remark after the game, and during it.
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
by bradley on Sep 11, 2009 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
fear the jungle
and you will remember your Benson comments
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 11, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me?
I said nothing about Benson.
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
by bradley on Sep 11, 2009 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure
i like hillis i have him in my ppr leauge but not sure id use the word beast
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 11, 2009 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you should see him run
He’s about 250 lb, as fast as Moreno, runs over and through people, blocks very well and has incredibly soft hands out of the backfield. I’m not sure what about him isn’t a beast. The kid used a rope to tow his pickup up and down hills to train when his high school didn’t have a weight room (no kidding). The more you see of him, the more you like.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 11, 2009 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice
but we could all tow a truck downhill he must be fast hell id be arfraid truck picks up speed downhill and run my ass over lol j/k i get your point guess thats how he got his name hill(is) anyways i wish yall the best sunday and if you win i hope you keep winning as you got the brownies next week
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 12, 2009 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's clever
guess thats how he got his name hill(is)
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
by bradley on Sep 13, 2009 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did
I was needling FTJ on Cedric because he demeaned our running backs as being castoffs. The only point being that Cincy’s #1 is also a castoff. I like Cedric. Benson is a punishing runner.
by Endzone on Sep 11, 2009 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never said your rbs were castoffs
what i said is i dont see how you give the edge to the Broncos rbs Moreno is a rookie and he might be a stud he is unproven and had a banged up knee.Not sure how much a factor he will be sunday.Hillis is solid i like him but hes not a back id want to hang my hat on week end week out.Buckhalter always seems injured and not seen alot from him lately and Jordan hes also injurie prone.Benson is the type a back who wants the ball 25 times a game and wears down defenses as the game goes on i will be very surprised if he dont have 100 yards this week im not knocking your rbs i just see alot of question marks and factor in the lines i say its a push or slight edge to Cincy
by Fear The Jungle on Sep 11, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough = We support our team(s) and provide our opinions
Yeah! REAL football is here!
by Endzone on Sep 11, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
so wait
you say our defense ISN’T the same but lets quote their stats anyway?
I think Marshall Royal and Scheffler are easily as good as Ocho Coles and Henry and our play caller might be a bit better than the Bengals, unless yours was a part of the greatest offense in the history of football. I think the play calling alone will neutralize any advantage Palmer has over Orton. But I am definitely biased.
FTJ….isn’t it great getting ready for a real football game again? all the best to you and second best to your team ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 12, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, HT
Great pregame post, HT. The D is going to be the key to this game, IMO.
Go Broncos!
" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "
by hairybear on Sep 11, 2009 3:27 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Post HT
As this is my first year with MHR I greatly appreciate the information.
I voted close win. I would love to see us with a blowout win, but don’t think we have quite gelled to that point yet. I have a lot of hope and optimism for the season. It is going to be exciting to see just where we are at and what we need to do to improve.
Highly rec’d of course
by papasteven on Sep 11, 2009 3:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great read HT...
You got me fired up for the first week of FOOTBALLL!!! Go Broncos
Moreno 09 and beyond!!!
by BroncoKO on Sep 11, 2009 6:05 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Ooooh, the smack talk has started
Benson may have turned it around but for most of his short career he’s been a disappointment. He needs to prove it on the field during the regular season. But fair’s fair. The same can be said for Denver’s run defense and pass rush. Both looked encouraging in preseason but we haven’t done it for real yet. My biggest concern is Cincy’s big three WRs having a big game. We have our own studs but Marshall can’t be as well integrated into our offense as their three receivers are into theirs. And while it might be an artifact of the preseason our running game, too, hasn’t been that impressive. On the other hand I think Cinci’s biggest potential weakness, if we can exploit it, is protecting Palmer. This is a pivotal battle that might well decide the game. I’d feel better if it was taking place at home rather than on the road. I can see why the Bengals are a slight favorite. That’s why I voted “too close to call.” Here’s hoping both teams come out of the game as healthy as they went in. Keep em coming HT. One asset we have that other blog sites don’t is a bevy of knowledgeable and articulate analysts who prove it on “paper” week in and week out.
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by spock on Sep 11, 2009 8:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
HT
great stuff!! I especially liked your insight on how you think McD will progress from the 5-2 to 3-4 based on the offensive play-calling of Cincy. It really shows the strategical depth of starting with the 5-2, especially in light of personnel weaknesses from last year.
It puts into perspective how he developed his defensive strategy and Denver’s own limitations (no real DL superstar)…..anyone who thinks this is Nolan’s D is crazy…..of course, saying, “Well hiring Nolan was the only good offseason move Denver did…” will be a perfect source of praise for the media that avoids praising McD, but its missing his contribution…..this D is a product of understanding, on an extremely deep level, those things that defenses that challenged NE did well:
transition fluidly from one strategy to another (with personnel & scheme), hide intentions, use pressure to challenge the QB (Phi, NYG, and Bal (maybe even NYJ) all did these things well in 2007 when the NE O had unlimited options to attack a D
You think Orton’s play will be most important…. I think you may be right, but only if its terrible. The D’s play is gonna be most important…..I expect to see pressure, turnovers, 3 and outs, etc. in a way that blows away the media and pundits. I think it seals the deal on this win too.
by BideshiBronco on Sep 12, 2009 12:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Call Me Crazy
BidB, I do think this is Nolan’s D. McDaniels is the head coach, not the DC. Nunnely, Martindale, Phifer, and Rodgers report to Nolan. Nolan calls the Defensive plays. McD calls the Offensive plays.
I am not saying that McDaniels has nothing to do with the D. Of course the final coaching decisions rest with the HC. But the new direction of the team has McDaniels taking primary responsibility for the offense and Nolan primary resposibility for the defense. McD doesn’t have the time to be all things to all people at all times. This is not a NE defense. As an example, when did NE play a base 5-2?
I am absolutely certain that Nolan and McD work closely and well together. It was, I believe, part of McD’s plan to have an extremely talented and experienced defensive coach come in to fix and run the defense. Nolan and McD told Xanders what kind of players they wanted on D and the three of them decided on player retentions, BPA’s, and affordability and Xanders went after them (leaving McD and Nolan to actually coach!).
BTW, does anyone know who is taking primary responsibility on Special Teams? I assume Priefer but I really don’t know. I want to think that Nolan may be taking the lead with Priefer’s assistance.
by Endzone on Sep 12, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points!
Of course, I think we are completely speculating on this stuff. According to job description, I agree with you on Nolan and I would say its Priefer. They are the ones responsible for sure and could be the ones making the majority if not all of the decisions. However, it means McD didn’t take one of the major principles of a Belichickian FB team…..there is one center of gravity and it revolves around the HC. The HC is also the FIRST responsibility for all things on the FB field. Those that think delegation is the key are completely wrong. SUPERVISION is the key. Of course, to supervise you gotta have experience and an idea of what you want. I think McD has very concrete ideas about both. His ideas, in my mind, will demonstrate both strategic depth and coherency and some aspects of his experience in NE. Nolan will be the one running the nuts and bolts, but following McD’s guidance.
I just don’t think this 5 man front is something from Nolan. I’m pretty sure he’s been a pretty static tactician when it comes to his defenses. Now I’m sure there is a lot of collaboration, but the notion that Nolan is running the D on his own is naive.
Couldn’t find the link, but Lombardi had a great mention about Belichick’s relationships with his assistants. Now McD is not Belichick, but I’m sure he is heavily involved in everything as his manner of wandering the practice field demonstrates. He is gonna be giving clear guidance and creating a coherent strategy for both sides of the football to win games. I may need more space and time to explain this though……..good response….thx.
by BideshiBronco on Sep 13, 2009 5:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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