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State of the Chefs

When a fellow MHRer suggested I write about the chiefs, my first reaction was to cringe.  However, I am subjected to KC's sports talk radio constantly and know more about the chiefs than I ever wanted to.  Thus, I suppose it is my duty as an MHR participant to survey the enemy.  For my own sanity and because these franchises underwent similar changes, I will change the chiefs to the Broncos.

1)  Parallels

There are a number of similarities between the chiefs and broncos at this time.  Both teams have undergone drastic roster changes - 30 players or so each - both have new starting quarterbacks, both have new general managers and both have new coaches.  Essentially, Clark Hunt and Pat Bowlen have scorched the earth at the same time.  What their anointed leaders achieve going forward will, no doubt, shape their legacy.  One point lost in all this though is how clearly this situation draws a line between these two teams.  Too often, it's easy to say, "Well, the chiefs under coach A were better than the broncos under coach B because coach A had all of these established players . . . he was set up for success . . . they took over at different times etc."  In this case, the number of wins / losses and most importantly super bowls, will be a clear measuring stick of who was better.  McD v. Haley.  In my opinion, it will be us v. the chefs for the division for the next 10 - 15 years.   

 

2) Change of leadership:  

As mentioned above, the Broncos and Chiefs both hired head coaches who are on young (33, 40), unproven offensive coordinators.  Both come, in some way, from the Parcels coaching tree - Pioli is actually Parcels' son in law.  Both emphasize team over individual.  Both have clashed with their respective locker rooms and the stars within those respective locker rooms (Haley w/ veteran O-Lineman Brian Waters and Dwayne Bowe).  

We all know McD.  Haley is more abrasive.  He is tough, mean and no nonsense.  He reminds me more of Parcels than McD.  In KC, they love him, which I think is partially because of Herm Edwards' nice guy losing ways.  They were ready for a guy like Todd Haley, even if the guy is an a-hole.  Both orgainizations tell the media as little as possible and both GM's are to stay in the background.  This may be surprising to some, given how prominent Pioli is; however, he is no more visible in KC than Xanders is in Denver - although Pioli is discussed much more.  From what I can glean, the collaborative relationships are similar, between coach and GM; although, I think McD has more say than Haley.  But remember what Parcels said, "If I'm going to cook, why shouldn't I be able to buy the groceries?"

One of the funniest things is that they both say the EXACT same thing with regard to what kind of football player they want - tough, big, smart, physical football players prepared to play under pressure . . . although I think the chiefs, not broncos say "big."  Also both coaches stress situational practices.  The similarities are striking, from their practice styles and having the players hit and wear pads throughout training camp, to clashes with their respective talented immature wideouts - B.Marsh and D.Bowe.

 

3) Personnel

The chiefs are a different team, but still the same in many ways.  The O-line is different.  They have LT Albert, LG Waters, C Niswonger, RG Mike Goff (formerly of the Chargers), RT Ndukew.  Niswonger is aweful, but they have improved.  At wideout, they have D.Bowe and Mark Bradley, with Sean Ryan, not Brad Cottam, at TE.  Matt Cassel of course, at QB LJ at tailback and Mike Cox at FB - yes his name is Mike Cox.

On defense, they're starting Tank Tyler at nose, Tyson Jackson at 5-technique and Glen Dorsey at the other DE.  Vrabel and Tamba Hali at OLB, Cori Mays and Domorrio Williams at ILB, Mike Brown and John McGraw at Safety and Flowers and Carr at CB.  

My impressions:  Their o-line is better but still vulnerable.  Their D-line will be a lot better.  Cori Mays is a beast at ILB but Hali has been slow to transition to OLB - much slower than Elvis.  Mike Brown is really good if he can stay healthy - which is why Chicago let him go.  Carr and Flowers are good, especially Flowers.  He is physical, fast and looks like he could really take off this year.  One surprise was Brad Cottam.  He must not be able to block for crap or I'd figure he'd have been starting by this time.  

Overall, the chiefs are better than they were a year ago - no question.  I still feel that the broncos are better.  First, we have a far superior O-line.  Second, we have waaaaay more weapons.  Depth at WR is a HUGE issue for the chiefs.  They even got so desperate as to bring in Ashley Lelee - who they wisely cut.  But past Bowe, they really have nothing at WR; whereas we go at least 5 deep.  I just don't think Cassell can be successful there this year w/ no pass protection and no weapons.  My prediction is he's out by week 6 - no way he survives that.        

 

4) Prediction

Their schedule, like ours, is brutal.  I listened to a sports talk segment the other day that predicted between 3 and 6 wins.  If I had to make a call, I'd go with 4-12.  

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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5) Fans

I think both Broncos and Chiefs fans are really good! I’m a Bears fan, but in terms of football knowledge and spirit for their team, you guys are right there with us. Broncos fans still need to get over Elway, like an old girlfriend who they really need to move on from, and Chiefs fans can be a little defeatist, but they all bring it on Sundays. Gotta like that!!

by DisCUBbobulated on Sep 12, 2009 12:07 PM MDT reply actions  

like an old girlfriend

Guess you have to have had one in the first place to understand the drama. LOL, strike that one off the list, one way or another you guys have the drama now = )
Appreciate the post, good luck this year!

I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
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by tannji on Sep 12, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's amazing to me

that for years the chiefs haven’t drafted much to fix their O-Line. Albert is the only drafted lineman on their current 53 man roster. By far their weakest link.

Good summary of the where the Chiefs are at. The defense should be pretty good, but it’s their offense that will keep them from being good enough to win many.

There has been a lot of talk about how hard LJ has worked, how good of citizen he’s been , how much he likes the new bosses and the thinking that he is going to have a big year. I think teams will focus on taking LJ and Bowe away and make someone else beat them.

by DBinKC on Sep 12, 2009 1:16 PM MDT reply actions  

When I saw the title

I thought the article was going to be about the “cooks” responsible for the on-the-field product to be “served” to the fans. My bad. (Very nice analysis, though. The big difference between them and us is their suspect O-line, albeit I don’t think their defense has improved as much as ours, either.)

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Sep 12, 2009 2:48 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice article GJ

one other element that deserves attention, to me, is Clancy Pendergast. I thought he did more, with less, last year than any other DC in the league. He doesn’t get much attention because his D didn’t generate the gaudy stats that the MSM obsesses over, but they were very good at taking the ball away. With KC, if he can generate a pass rush, and that’s a big IF, their secondary is primed to get some picks. They could be very troublesome on defense.

And rec’d

by SlowWhiteGuy on Sep 12, 2009 3:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Derrick Johnson?

Maybe I missed something (or he’s hurt?), but I didn’t see anything about him in your Chef’s synopsis. That man is a beast. Has he fallen off? A Back up?

My sister was recently diagnosed with multiple personalities...yesterday she called me...my caller ID exploded. - Zach Galifianakis

by portlandcoltsfan on Sep 12, 2009 3:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Johnson isn’t satisfied in backup role

From here

Derrick Johnson said that he won’t make his stay on the Chiefs’ second-team defense a permanent part of his plans.

Johnson said he has suffered from various injuries throughout the preseason but those issues weren’t the only reason he was demoted to backup inside linebacker.

"I want to be out there," Johnson said, "but right now, I’m just working my way up. I’ll work myself up to where I need to be."

Johnson said coaches had not explained why he was demoted, and he added that he hadn’t asked.

"Nothing was said like that," he said. "I’m not too worried about it. I know I’ll be back a lot more. Like really soon."

Johnson said months ago that he felt comfortable in the team’s 3-4 defensive front and that the defense allowed him to do things he wasn’t able to do under former coordinator Gunther Cunningham. Johnson has underachieved at times in his four NFL seasons, and he said Wednesday that he was uncertain whether Haley was sending a message by shuffling Johnson out of the starting lineup.

"I’m not discouraged or anything," he said. "I know I can play this game. I’m a starter in this league. I’ll be out there playing. I think coach knows what he’s doing."

by DBinKC on Sep 13, 2009 5:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

There is a close correlation between these 2 clubs with all the changes.

One thing that really intrigued me was picking Tyson Jackson and #3 and paying him mega bucks where we drafted Robert Ayers for what? 1/5 the price? Just doesn’t add up for me and seemed like a desperate move on their part. What I mean; is Tyson going to be 5 times the player that Robert is? I don’t think so and when Ayers learns his position he may even be better. Before the draft sports draft gurus were saying that Tyson lacked discipline and seemed to be lost in space on plays. I can’t find those articles and it seems like they have been erased…oh well, anyway I can’t see paying that much for the cat. Great job and rec’d GJ.

by bfree2bronc on Sep 12, 2009 4:10 PM MDT reply actions  

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