Orton hears a , 'huh?'
by Kgrone on Sep 13, 2009 7:54 PM MDT
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Let's get the introductions out of the way...
"Hi, my name's Keith, and I"m a kool-aidaholic"
<in unison> "HI, Keith!"
Okay, on to important things.
Throughout the game today, I found myself ecstatic with the play of the defense, and quite disappointed in the play or Kyle Orton. I must admit I got caught up in the excitement of the game and lost sight of the bigger picture. After sitting back and taking a look at what went on today, and how that fit with my expectations going in, I'm really okay with Orton.
Let me explain:
Kyle Orton as a quarterback has a huge task set before him:
1. He's running a completely new system (A very complex one, at that)
2. He's playing for a completely new coaching staff
3. He's leading an offense made up of players who he's NEVER played with before
I had briefly mentioned in a few responses to other fanposts how I would consider the experience of Matt Cassel last year. Keep in mind Cassel had been the back up for multiple years, and had that time to study and practice the New England offense. (I understand the New England offense is not necessarily what we are running, but there are definitely similarities, and both would be considered very complex systems). After having all that time to learn behind one of the best, and being coached by a dang good coordinator, where did he end up? Through week 5, the pats fans were calling for his head, and the all-knowing MSM couldn't understand why the Pats wouldn't pick up the best available FA or attempt to trade for a competent signal-caller.......
Then, something strange happened..............he got it.........Maybe it was timing, maybe it was confidence (playing the 08 Broncos defense will do that for you, although they take a worse rap then I think they should.....another fanpost I suppose for another day)........but HE GOT IT
By the end of the year, not only were they not calling for his head, but he ended up signing a huge contract with $20-some million guaranteed. The MSM who couldn't understand Belichek standing by his qb just a few short months earlier couldn't detach their lips from his pasty white buttocks.........he was a prize to be had, and KC made a masterful move to acquire him and lock him up long term.
Why do I look at Cassel? Because I see the same potential with Orton. Orton's arm strength could be an issue, but after watching highlights of him, and seeing his numbers (especially from Purdue) you have to know that while the 60 yard bomb is not his forte, he sure as heck can throw a 20 yd seam with no problem. He was throwing behind receivers on mid to deep balls today, but I would say this is more a timing issue than innaccuracy or arm strength. He was throwing the shorter routes a half second too late as well, so it makes sense that his mid to deep throws might be a step behind the receivers. He held the ball a little too long at times, and seemed uneasy in the pockets. Both of these are symptoms of not being entirely comfortable with the system, as well as his teammates, not a symptom of a quarterback who has no skill.
Last point and you can tear my post up if you'd like. Orton is running an offense that is new to him with teammates that are new to him. He's not always sure what receiver will be where and when. This has an ENORMOUS affect on his play. On a given pass play, he has roughly 3 seconds or so to read the defense, AS WELL AS figure out where his players are. With time, and experience he will know and 'feel' where his receivers are and at that point it is only a matter of reading the defenders. His workload at this point is cut in half, and this is when he will flourish in this system, things will slow down for him, and he will be more comfortable in the pocket.
As stated above, I'm a kool-aid drinker. I might be wrong here, but I think it's way too early to put in Simms or Brandstater as I feel they would both struggle early on while learning the system. Any qb put in the position that Orton has would struggle for at least a few games (let's not forget that even with preseason time this team has maybe 3 games worth of playing time together). It is the first game, and I choose to celebrate how dominant our defense was rather than nitpick a player that I figured to struggle for the first few weeks.
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Yeah me too!!
Part of me is worried, and I hate to look at what-ifs, but if our receivers make a few of those catches he really wouldn’t have had a bad game. On top of that, our line did struggle in protection a little. When all that is figured in I feel he’s at or even above where I would’ve expected him in the first game
The drops were in on bubble screens
Very few of those went for more than 8 yards during the game. There’s no way to know how they would have turned out. Also, he was leading receivers into defensive backs all day long. You’re telling me that inspires the WRs to catch everything he throws when they’re reaching for their shoe laces and a CB is bearing down on them? The completion percentage may have gone up, but the effectiveness would not have.
by legendarywalton on Sep 14, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
he was throwing behind his receivers, not leading them into coverage
there is obviously still some chemistry they need to work on, and orton needs to make some better throw, but at least he didn’t throw the game away with stupid turnovers
once that finger heals up, and the QB-WR chemistry is there, i expect a much more efficient offense. need to hurry it up though… good thing we play the browns and the raiders the next two weeks. (although we can’t take anything for granted)
leading receivers into defenders
If that makes a qb bad then Elway was horrible for what he did to eddie Mac.
"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me
Couldn't agree more.
Thank you for pointing out how long it took Matt Cassel to get comfortable in this system and as you said he had been in the system for years.
Kyle Orton has played 1.5 accumlative preseason games and 1 regular season game. He didn’t even have the full offseason to start learning and digesting this playbook. It will take some time. Took Cassel 6 games, expecting anything less from Orton is setting yourself up for disappointment. In all likelihood it will take Orton more than 6 games to be completely comfortable in the offense, cause even Cassel had more experience than Orton does.
Lots of QBs didn’t look great today. And that’s to be expected early in the season. Offenses in the NFL are predicated on timing and rhythm. Until your new QB with his new weapons in a new system develop that timing and rhythm, it’s going to be a bumpy road on offense.
I for one expect to see some steady improvement in the preceeding weeks (as I’m sure we all do) and hope that the defense can continue like today. And more importantly the running game can come around to keep us close (or even a lead) at the end of games.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Sep 13, 2009 10:35 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Considering all
the trade, the comparisons to Cutler (hahahaha), the new system and players, the injury and stiches, the glove, and opening on the road against a surprisingly tough defense, he did alright. He has a 100+ QB rating and that other QB had a 16.9 in the first half.
Stats are fine and all.... and the stats make Orton look great
But come on, he looked terrible out there today
scary stat of the day
10 first downs
"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me
He was average Fluff...
BUT…no turnovers, and he has those intangibles that other players like.
You need only hear in what high regard he is held by his team mates. He is a team captain, even keeled and supportive and never gives in. This rubs off on other players, and the power of positive thinking is a wonderful thing…..you cant coach intangibles and Orton has those in spades.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
"...he has those intangibles that other players like."
Totally agree. Orton is understated, but he never gives up, never loses his cool.
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
This may be the key to 2009-2010
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http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/9/14/1029922/a-few-things-i-learned-on-sunday
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by PositivIntegral on Sep 14, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Completely agree.
He was horrendous. Floated balls, poor decisions at the line. And honestly, who says this offense is complex? Power O and throws in the flat. Terrible routes on the 5 wide set. He had nowhere to dump that ball. It’s on him that he didn’t pick up the rush before he snapped the ball— should have audibled out on that one.
by legendarywalton on Sep 14, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
And honestly, who says this offense is complex
Well, let’s see: the players, the coaches, the breakdown of everything that McDaniels did in New England where he developed much of it, the size of the playbook as Woody Paige looked at it when visiting the Broncos offices.
I appreciate your perspective – you don’t like McD, Orton or the current situation, and that’s got to be hard. However – making unfounded statements that don’t have any basis in facts doesn’t help anything, you know?
Hillis/Moreno in '09
We didn't score a single touchdown on a meaningful strung together set of plays
That was not a complex game plan. I disagree with you. The whole system may be difficult to grasp, but not yesterday. We played ball control— we played not to lose.
by legendarywalton on Sep 14, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
The complex part is the timing, as well as the number of options/routes he has to sort through in a very limited time. Orton looked bad, I’ve not argued that he didn’t; simply that he will improve with time and it’s in the broncos best interest to show some patience at least the first several weeks.
I understand timing and patience
But this is the same offense we’ve run with Orton in command for 3 preseason games and an entire regular season game against and improved, although middle of the pack defense. When am I allowed to be critical of the guy? Everyone LOVED the “our offense was no good because we never scored” argument, but it can’t be applied to this offense? I just want people to cut the negative posters some slack here, because there are some very rosy glasses being worn today.
by legendarywalton on Sep 14, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
fair enough
I’m not sure that you’ll get that far asking for slack, unless you want to give it as well, though. Of course you can be critical of Orton. I think that most folks here are critical of certain parts of the situation. But just refusing to ignore the good things that came out of the game goes beyond being critical.
Example? Well, the pass to Gaffney, of course, but beyond that, Orton’s completion percentage was up over 60% which would be good if he was healthy. The injury does affect his performance, and refusing to factor that in seems like grinding an axe, more than just being objective. I’m find with criticizing parts of his performance. there was a lot that needs to improve. I just don’t buy that it’s as bad as you seem to think, and that’s an honest disagreement.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
pretty sure that last drive at the end of the first half was meaningful
more meaningful that anything the bengals did prior to their last offensive drive
Again, everyone criticized the last administration for not getting into the endzone
Just goes both ways.
by legendarywalton on Sep 14, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree we didn't get into the endzone enough......
My point is that Cutler and co. were an ‘elite’ offense who had pretty much maxed out their potential and weren’t getting in the endzone. This is a raw offense who will get better playing together, and while they might not put up the yards (not saying they won’t…just that they might not). They have nowhere to go but up. I feel much better about an offense under construction struggling to score than a ‘well oiled machine’ that can’t seem to punch it in.
and you think the two situations are alike ?
You think expecting the same things from one offense that was playing its first game in a new system and another offense that had been together for several years in one system is sending it both ways ?
Does anyone realize that when we tal;k about the offense gelling this isnt an offense in which you are trying to get the same 11 guys to come together.
We are working in 4 backs and 6 wideouts and some have had injuries and other issues so thats about 15 players trying to learn the offense and you are working in several different guys at key position and they all have different tendencies which all need to be adjusted to. That just doesnt happen in the first game on the road .
I think this ball control game is great because the team learns how to play when there are not a ton of points being scored so when we do play the heavy weights if its a low scoring game we wont panic like we did last year
If we were down 7-10 points last we basically lost all composure and threw out whatever game plan we had trying to make it all up in open drive . I would rather us use these games as learning tools about playing 60 minutes and how you can win or lose on simple mistakes and then improve in each game going forward
great read. good kool aid.
and i would take the learning curve over God’s gift to football, who plays for the bears.
yikes.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Sep 13, 2009 10:41 PM MDT reply actions
link to that brutal artical on our former qb...
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Sep 13, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
is not appearing.
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Sep 13, 2009 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting Chicago Bears fan comment...
“Jay Cutler looked like a Bears QB to me last night. I really didn’t see him as any different than the plethora of QBs that have gone before him.
I don’t know if he is a ‘franchise QB’ or not. But he did look pretty typical of Bears QBs of the recent past. Principally, in over their heads."
You're right
A lot of things that were discussed this offseason came to pass. Jay got rattled by his first INT. He kept trying to throw to the GB players, and after a couple of dropped INTs that held on to one. Jay has always had a tendency to lose his concentration and he did.
But there was more to the story. The Bears’ O line was porous. Their receivers, other than young star in the making Johnny Knox were terrible (so much for the ‘QB makes the receivers’ mantra). Jay has his work cut out for him. He’ll win them some game and lose them some games. He doesn’t keep his head in the game at times. It looked a lot like 2008. So did Orton – bad hand and all, he didn’t throw an INT, kept trying and eventually things went our way. Congratulations to all on the Broncos, and my sincere condolences to the Bears on the lose of great linebacker Brian Urlacher.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
In defense of Jay
On his last drive when he threw into quadruple coverage (typical Jay) the ball went past 3 defenders and the 4th had to make a great play on the ball or else that would have been a TD and everybody would be saying how great he is today. That was is unique about Cutler is that he can complete a pass like that but then the infuriating part about him is his 4th pick. Thats Jay he’s going to be goat or hero and during a season both.
"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me
Ratings
Ratings do not tell the whole picture, but:
Orton is the 4th highest rated QB today at 100.7
Cutler is 27th at 43.2
There are times when we need infrared vision to see in the dark. Orton is much better than he is given credit for.
by Endzone on Sep 13, 2009 10:51 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Too much focus on negatives
Ok, Orton didn’t have a good day, but the reason that his numbers are good go beyond that one pass. The 30 yard spiral strike to Gaffney on a fade route was perfect on the first scoring drive, 2nd quarter. The theory that the defenses will ‘stack the box’ with 8 men because Orton can’t throw 15 yards has gone down in flames. He had the same kind of game that Cincy, Denver, and at least 1/2 the teams in the league had – sloppy. It’s the first game of the season. It happens every year, and folks each year forget that it’s pretty much inevitable.
Add to tht the new systems and players getting to know each other and you see this every year. It’s magnified due to the way fans were on edge – people were insisting that we pull Orton by the end of the second series. He’s our starting QB, he’s going to continue to improve like he always does and he didn’t throw a pick today. Not a bad start, 1-0
Hillis/Moreno in '09
not to mention what he DIDN'T do...
such as fumbling the ball froma gimpy hand on one of those sacks, or throwing a pick. This Cincy team is a real defense, and they hit damn hard. The run-run-pass palycalling at the beginning of the game should tell us a lot of what the Broncos were thinking for this game: protect the ball, win the field position battles and put yourself ina position to be palying for the win in at the end of the game.
The only thing I am really analyzing to break down our “problem” areas is that regression that occured late in the game: multiple penalties, followed by a number of small mistakes that needed to not happen to raise our chances of being able to compete late (one small example is the Royal decision to run the punt out of the endzone, for both clock and yardage reasons. You can bet Royal is going to hear about that, despite the fact that we won the game…)
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 14, 2009 1:18 AM MDT up reply actions
meant kickoff...
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 14, 2009 1:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Orton's delivery was unusually long and slow
Probably the finger, and it explains the late arrivals
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by littletinybroncos on Sep 14, 2009 7:13 AM MDT up reply actions
And please...it cuts both ways....
Via the ways of drops and penalties, Orton would have thrown for another 100 yards….BM dropped 3 passes equating to about 50 yards, Stokley dropped one worth 11, Sheffler dropped one for about 20, Hillis dropped one for a 1st down, Buck was called back on a 15 yard gain…..so if you factor that in vs “Ortons stats only good because of the last play” BS it comes out as a wash.
No, he was not AWESOME….but I will take this performance vs a lot of others I saw by QB’s this weekend. Anyone like 4 INT’s????……yep, did not think so!!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
That wasn't a spiral if you watch it again.
Not taking away from the play— he got it there, we converted and it was a very intricate timing route. But I’m just saying that the hand had better heal before the weather turns bad, because that thing does not make it there in bounds during October.
by legendarywalton on Sep 14, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Watched it four times
That’s what they call it when the ball stays on one plane and spins in the air, right?
Hillis/Moreno in '09
I must have been looking at another play.
I deleted the DVR’d version, but I absolutely saw that thing wobbling to the sideline. It was shown from the perspective of a spectator looking downfield as the play was going away from them.
by legendarywalton on Sep 14, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Could be, lw
I’ve only got the perspective that shows on NFL Rewind. On that one it looks pretty good
Hillis/Moreno in '09
Not surprised you deleted that DVR
It seems like your upset that we won.
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
I'm upset with the play on offense
I’m not going to nitpick other areas, because we all know that there’s room for improvement elsewhere. I just hope that the inspirational defense can continue to pick up the inept offense. If we had not caught that ball, this place would be going bonkers about the heart breaking loss. Everyone says, “Oh, shoulda, woulda, coulda”. There’s a lot of deep rooted issues on this team, and you can’t overlook them.
by legendarywalton on Sep 14, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I think there is a major hole in your half empty glass...
Amazed by fans that are actually BUMMED we won….be a fan of the team and not a player…..
Just saying….
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Sep 14, 2009 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was complete and absolute luck
We shouldn’t have won that game, and I think it falls on McDaniel’s to correct issues on HIS side of the ball. That defense was stout, found itself in a position to make plays, and was genuinely inspired. The Offensive side will not get that spark because we don’t have a player like Dawkins on that side of the ball. It needs to get corrected.
by legendarywalton on Sep 14, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
It was luck, and luck is a part of the game at times
Defeating San Diego in week 2 of 2008 was purely luck (blown call by a ref)
Defeating New Orleans in week 3 was pure luck (missed FG at the end of the game)
I don’t remember anyone being particularly bummed when we were the recipients of those events. So, I’m failing to understand the angst connected with this lucky game. Shoot, if we’re honest, our first interception was lucky — a tipped ball.
Are there things to work on? Absolutely. Did the offense look sharp? Nope. Too many dropped balls, penalties at inopportune times, lots of stuff that needs to be cleaned up. More than one person made mistakes, so laying it all off on one player is both naive and unfair.
Plus there was also some good — no interceptions leaps to mind, Orton improving slightly every week, the return of Marshall, the team playing out every play until the whistle blows.
Am I content and happy with Game 1’s offense? No. Do I believe they’re going to get better? Yes.
Most importantly, I’m ecstatic that we are currently undefeated.
"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
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by Brian Shrout on Sep 14, 2009 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions
AND most improtant for KO
He didn’t ruin a GREAT defensive effort with an excessively stupid play. Even the sack he took that lost us a chance to ice it with a FG may have been the wisest choice with the limited time he had to find a safe place to drop the ball. He did, however, earlier miss a beautifully set up seam route by taking a short-of-the firstdown receiver, but you know what…..WE WON!!.
Hi Keith
You pretty much said what I’ve been thinking for a few months about the system and how long it might take to gel. I really got to find this game so i can watch.
two things up front
I’m a koolaid guy and I am soooo glad Cutler is gone. I didn’t need to see his performance today to know how he cracks up his team. That being said………
I like your post, but I just can’t keep giving Orton the benefit of the doubt. Based on his performance last year, I have actually expected him to do very well. His balls look weaker and I’m beginning to see him as a check down nightmare. Its only one game, so again…..I’ll be patient. I’m not gonna defend him though until after he starts playing close to my expectations. If he can’t do it after WK 4, I wil agree with others.
Your post sounds like something I would have written in the preseason……in three weeks someone else will be writing something similar and you could be laughing at them. Its still early, but NFL QBs, especially vets, don’t get this much leeway. Give me Sanchez, then if so.
The other part to this is McD’s playcalling. I hope he’s protecting KO’s finger or something. Even if KO is ready, if McD gives him crummy baby food, he is gonna puke it up. When Haley can get 24pts against BAL with way less talent than us……we should be a little more critical…………thats a koolaid guy talking, but one that isn’t gonna keep his head in the sand despite facts.
Bideshi, look at the KC game
Brodie Croyle was the starting QB. Croyle was the QB for KC the past 2 years. He knows the players on offense, has a rapport with the star receiver, Bowe. Orton does not know the players that well, yet. Also, Orton has no rapport with Marshall because of Marshall’s antics this pre season.
Having played and coached at lower levels I know something about this. Even a Little League team takes time to gel with a new kid playing QB, a new system and new coach.
Give these guys time.
Make those miracles happen - Jon Keyworth
by IgorBStrange on Sep 14, 2009 1:36 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
KC got 24 points because the Ravens couldn't stop laughing
"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"
by littletinybroncos on Sep 14, 2009 7:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Seriously
Even though this is well written…..I’m Rec’ing just for the title. Pure genious.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
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- Alex Noble
Hi Keith!
First, as a confession, I’ve been held down by the group 20 times but they haven’t managed to get any koolaid down my throat yet. I’m a long-time Broncaholic but I guess I only drink the koolaid when I want to. But welcome, and nice post! I hope you are right about Kyle needing time. Take away the Cincy tip yesterday, and his performance was about as uninspiring as they come ….. until Cutler’s last night, anyway.
Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?
by Bob in Boulder on Sep 14, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions
Hi Keith
Sounds sensible. Revisit after Week 6 (at San Diego: judgement day on whether this team is a)miraculously remade, b)building with character or c)headed down the ol’ white throne). My vote is about halfway between a & b, and we lose by less than 4 to the hated Bolts.
I like predictions that can be checked! Science is better than ranting.
"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace
by PositivIntegral on Sep 14, 2009 11:31 AM MDT reply actions
Absolutely agree.....
I’d be somewhere between a and b as well, and I do have reservations about orton still. Simply put, I’d rather give him the benefit of the doubt at this point and be optimistic about the future until I am proven wrong. Being excited about our team is more enjoyable to me than nitpicking every little thing that went wrong.
At the end of the day, we won the game…..yeah it was a lucky play, and might have played out differently, but every play in the whole freakin game could play out differently and completely change the outcome. We played well enough to win, and in the end it worked out. It’s a game of inches, and a few inches on almost any play can completely remake the look of a game.
I think it's incredible
that Orton can even play with a finger injury like that. Even if he ignores that certain pain on every throw, it’s bound to affect him subconsciously. I’ve got a little knife cut on my index finger, and it sure affects my typing.
C’mon, he wouldn’t even have been playing if Simms were healthy. I say, cut him a lot of slack, applaud him for toughing it out and even playing. That he played as well as he did makes me think he’ll be a LOT better in the future.
I’d be really interested in Styg50’s analysis of his footwork, etc. I suspect that it will show that KO’s progressing really well.
"Remember, it's only a game."
by robswenson on Sep 14, 2009 2:54 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
dislocated finger
hey lw(a huge fan by the way) why don’t you try posting with a bad finger and stitches let alone throw a pass in the NFL! Get a clue or take a hike: OH sorry bad feet.
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