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A few things I learned on Sunday...


Sunday's win was extraordinarily exciting, refreshingly different, and as Guru said; a big relief (we don't have to spend one more week calmly refuting a cacophony of schadenfreude from the, shall we say, "unpleased with recent major personnel moves" Broncos fans) - but for all the replays of a single catch and endless talk of whether we are a fluke/luck 1-0 team or something greater, there are some real nuggets to take from Sunday's win.  Among them:

Star-divide

Stats really can lie (surprised?): Orton had a workmanlike 75.5 rating (but deserved better) with 28 seconds left in the game, and a stellar 100.7 (but deserved worse) after he threw what should have been an incompletion...You gotta watch/listen to the whole game, or you flat don't know what happened.

Brandon Marshall came back to play.  I don't care about catches: I care about demeanor, effort and blocking; he was collected, tried hard, and on at least one occasion laid himself out so another guy could get some stats.  He might just be an NFL football player.

Alphonso Smith is a real NFL corner.  I'll make the trade of an overpaid first-round, 8th-20th pick next year for Phonz this year any time.  It may have seemed like a Shanny "get a fast corner, any fast corner" move on draft day, but on September 13th it just looks like genius.

An inspired defense makes things happen.  Whether it's Mr. Dawkins, Mr. Nolan, a healthy Champ, or playing at Cincy that did it, our D just looked alive and ready to play 60 minutes.  Some sloppiness, sure, but not like last 3 year's general malaise/giving up/chronic inability to stop the long run or the deep pass.

Ed McCaffrey is a respectable radio commentator.

Champ healthy is, well, Champ. 

Chemistry vs. Competitive Fire?  I re-watched last year's opener against Oakland, and one event leapt out at me: Cutler cussing out Nate Jackson for missing a sideline 3rd down catch; Jay looked livid, and I remember convincing myself that it's good to have a QB who demands perfection, wants to win every drive, etc....and then I heard Stokeley's interview, when he quoted Orton after Stoke's missed 3rd down reception: "I'll be coming back to you" - Now there is a place (see exhibit A: Brian Dawkins) for competive fire.  But you could hear the cameraderie crystallizing from just that one act of cool-headedness.  Stokeley's a grown man and, being treated like one, saved the day.

I say it again: 5-11 or 11-5 this is going to be a great season. 

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Nice work

I have to agree on Smith. This situation continues to remind me of Royal – team drafts a player, fans don’t understand why, coach/GM must be inadequate, foolish or mentally incompetent, player tears up the field, no one jumps to suggest that they were off-base (McG was incredibly gracious and I applaud him). Smith is simply a heck of a football player – he stopped the runner, fought for passes and played well in special teams. Other than that….lol

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 14, 2009 11:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks

First FanPost for me. Great community.

"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace

by PositivIntegral on Sep 14, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ditto what B2B said

welcome and great first post. rec’d

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by Brian Shrout on Sep 14, 2009 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Loved the Phonz!!!

Dude made some plays in coverage…..but what I really liked was he showed an ability to make tough tackles in the open field.

In my opinion champ is the best corner to ever play the game. He can hang with anyone in coverage, but what separates him from so many other ‘shutdown’ corners is that he’s been the best tackler on othe field every year since we picked him up. (yeah…a corner…) I can think of a play where TO made him miss on a WR screen a couple yrs ago (while champ had a bad hammy i think…..some injury was involved) and other than that I can’t recall a single missed tackel….

by Kgrone on Sep 14, 2009 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

meh…..meant to state that there was an open field tackle yesterday by alphonso that I swore was champ until I checked the jersey

by Kgrone on Sep 14, 2009 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great stuff about Stokely/Orton.

Weird how that aspect of being positive seems to work out better than the alternative.

by dr.mort on Sep 14, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Totally agree with this
An inspired defense makes things happen. Whether it’s Mr. Dawkins, Mr. Nolan, a healthy Champ, or playing at Cincy that did it, our D just looked alive and ready to play 60 minutes. Some sloppiness, sure, but not like last 3 year’s general malaise/giving up/chronic inability to stop the long run or the deep pass.

Maybe we can get back to the days of not groaning when the D comes on the field.

A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.

Louis L’Amour

by bradley on Sep 14, 2009 12:06 PM MDT reply actions  

To be fair

There have always been bright spots: John Lynch, Champ, Darrent Williams, etc, but they always seemed to me to be individual effort rather than cohesive.

For all his significant Mastermind attributes, I think Shanahan’s tragic flaw was that he thought EVERY aspect of the game, even every PLAY was just one individual away from greatness – which is true….but do individuals emerge in a vacuum, or against the backdrop of a unit?

"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace

by PositivIntegral on Sep 14, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

It was great

to have fun watching a defense………can’t remember enjoying that since atwater was around.

by Kgrone on Sep 14, 2009 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

PI, how did you come up with a 75.5 rating?

Is there a formula you used, or did you find that stat somewhere?

Wherever you go, there you are.

by YosemiteSam on Sep 14, 2009 1:23 PM MDT reply actions  

QB Rating formula

I googled it and (being a dorky engineer) wrote a spreadsheet. Pretty simple stuff; the cleanest description I found was at:

http://www.primecomputing.com/formula.htm

Then I just subtracted one attempt, completion, and TD and 87 yards from the game totals for Orton, after checking that the formula as I entered it agreed with the 100.7 which is being reported.

"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace

by PositivIntegral on Sep 14, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's beautiful!

I find poetry in math (my degree is in chemistry). Nice background work, rec’d!

Wherever you go, there you are.

by YosemiteSam on Sep 14, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Whether he uses it professionally or not, I sleep better knowing that Josh McDaniels was a math major. Just knowing that that kind of mental discipline is possible is good.

"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace

by PositivIntegral on Sep 14, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

spreadsheets will be the death of me...

I have swore off of them for a bit.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 14, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Which probably explains...

The singularly adept use of language that you regularly bring to this site. /end shameless fawning/

"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace

by PositivIntegral on Sep 14, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Broncos D

On the whole, I was really happy with the defensive performace yesterday. I am still concerned with the end of half/end of game scenarios though. We have seen it regularly the last few years where our D gives up drives at the end of the half or game. It makes me nervous moving forward and hopefully the staff will get it sorted out.

At any rate, doesn’t get more exciting than that yesterday and 1-0 is 1-0!

by 5280FT on Sep 14, 2009 2:43 PM MDT reply actions  

While I agree with you in part, I think it’s asking a lot of our defense to be on the field for as long as they were and continue to shut down that explosive offense. Cincy went to the hurry-up and had a long, quick drive against our tired D.

My only complaint was with the play calling. I hate the Prevent defense, the only thing it does is prevent you from winning. I hope in future situations, we continue to bring the pressure.

by aLuffabo on Sep 14, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice nick and nice post!

I like this: “He might just be an NFL football player.” I hope so too!

I enjoyed seeing Dawkins and Champ on the field, and I think they enjoyed playing together. You could see there was some trust and comraderie.

by MakeCents on Sep 14, 2009 3:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Today in my English class

my professor asked who had a worse weekend: Serena Williams, Kanye West or Jay Cutler.

I had to break out in laughter because I was rocking my Broncos hat and he was gearing the question at me. Luckily he’s a Bronco fan too (rare in Massachusetts). It was quite a fun afternoon in English!

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Sep 14, 2009 3:48 PM MDT reply actions  

That's some illustrious company!

I think all three will recover, but it was not a great day for any of those three.

"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace

by PositivIntegral on Sep 14, 2009 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well said.

Cutler’s reaction vs Orton’s, and the outcomes of yesterday’s games, show karmic justice.

by jayrockstone on Sep 14, 2009 4:52 PM MDT reply actions  

I heard Stokeley’s interview, when he quoted Orton after Stoke’s missed 3rd down reception: “I’ll be coming back to you”… you could hear the camaraderie crystallizing from just that one act of cool-headedness. Stokeley’s a grown man and, being treated like one, saved the day.

I agree with you. Orton’s approach is a much better way. And when Orton over or under throws Stokely Stokely can say, ’We’ll get ‘em next time.’ They can go to meetings and practice with the feeling that, hey, we’re in this together; we both want to win equally bad which leads to being synched up when the pressure is on because they’re comfortable in each others presence when there is no pressure.

by legalbear on Sep 14, 2009 5:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Orton

I can’t remember were I heard it but one thing that impressed McD about Orton was that he was able to get his teammates behind him.

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Sep 14, 2009 6:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I disagree about the QB rating

I disagree that Orton got a 75.5. If you’re going to play “what if” by taking away that last play, then you have to add in all the dropped passes. There were nine drops! The game—and Orton’s passer rating—might have been different if six or seven of those passes had been caught.

by neiby on Sep 17, 2009 8:42 AM MDT reply actions  

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