"We're going to play everybody here. There will be a certain rotation we're going to have, depending on the way the game is going. We have a plan going in how to play each guy, and the same thing with the receiver group. We're going to play those guys 'X' number of plays and get them in there, and we're going to keep certain guys in for certain plays."
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I don't know how I feel about that
How is the offense supposed to find a rhythm when the players keep substituting in and out?
I'm with you
There has to be a balancing act with this sort of approach. On the one hand you need guys to get in a rhythm, on the other hand you want to keep them fresh for 4 quarters, 16 games. I can see this helping if/when injuries occur, you have someone who’s already been in the fire stepping in.
This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!
How about, on the other hand
it just might keep opposing defenses off balanced too. The days of the running back carrying the ball 30 or more times is coming to an end. Sure there may be times when a player runs a few plays in a row but not all day.
Plus
I would imagine that if everyone is routinely getting snaps, that would have the net effect of keeping everyone sharp and on their game, reducing the amount of time needed to establish a rhythm.
There’s that theme again: short term challenges for long term dividends.
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by broncosmontana on Sep 15, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Well Somehow
The Giants can do it. So can the Panthers. Tennessee can do it. Anyway this is the way it will go.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
agreed, bustafluff, but for what it's worth...
a couple lines later in the same piece:
In response to a follow-up question, McCoy said the team is willing to be a bit flexible on it plan at tailback if a hot hand clearly emerges during the game.
still though, i like systems that have a feature back, a bulldozer for short yardage, and maybe a speedy scat guy and that’s about it. i just don’t think having four or five “situational backs” every game lets anyone get in the groove.
I agree
I think you need to have a primary back and secondary back, trying to play four backs is basically asking for inconsistency, part of the line ability to block is they get used to how backs will react, where to take the block, how fast they hit the hole and how quick they can attack the second level. For the running game to be effective, they need to know who the main guys are and not have 4 or 5 guys through the game.
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Total agreement
I usually tow the team line, but I don’t like what I’ve seen with the running game at all— both in terms of the player rotation and the incoherent (IMO) scheme in general.
by PredominantlyOrange on Sep 15, 2009 2:07 PM MDT reply actions
I understand the basic philosophy
and it is important to keep players fresh, as well as preparing them for the week by dividing reps. However sometimes you have a player that is playing extremely well in a game and you need to continue to play the “hot hand.”
On a side note – GIVE HILLIS THE BALL!!! He makes plays and we need to give him to opportunity to produce.
I hope we see a lot better out of Knowshon this week. Buck looked good.
This will change as the season goes on
First, I don’t think we should expect to see much of Hillis as RB until Larsen returns to the lineup. They won’t want to risk injuring our only remaining FB by overusing him as RB. Second, I think it’s obvious that Moreno is not 100 percent yet. When he is, he’ll start getting the ball more and more, and essentially become our primary back.
By the second half of the season, barring injury, I suspect that Moreno will be getting 75 percent of the carries, and Hillis/Buck 25 percent.
it's better than having 7 RBs on the IR
let it ride
i like hillis, but the worship of him in broncos country is a bit ridiculous. he doesn’t need 20 touches every game just because people like him
It's
not the RBs I’m real concerned about, it’s the wide receivers…
Sooo.....how is this different than other positions?
Just seems to me that this is sorta like treating runners the same way maybe other players are used…like…dont coaches sometimes have totally detailed plans for how they are gonna use receivers and tight ends and defensive linemen and defensive backs and stuff. And…if the coaches have the same kind of ideas about running backs…then how is it different.
Maybe you can find the kind of running backs you want. Like…if you have a choice between a guy who can go in sorta totally cold when its his turn or his situation and he is in for one or two plays and then is out and can do it…thats the kinda guy you want at running back. But…….if you have a bunch of guys who needs lots and lots of carries to get warmed up so then they can be good…maybe i want the guys who can go in and do it on totally short notice.
And what do i know…well…not much. Just sayin’
MHR...and proud of it!
Exactly
Running back by committee is definitely the trend in the NFL these days. Maybe if Moreno turns out to be the next incarnation of Terrell Davis, McC will change his tune. Until then, I say go with the hot player from game to game.
good point
but i guess what bothers me about rotating three to five backs is how do you ever know who the hot player is? the guy who just got 8 yards, i guess….??
How about sitting the cold player?
I think Moreno could have sat more…he definitely wasn’t the one with the hot hand or feet.
My biggest concern....,
Isn’t the RB rotation. It is the o-line. We seem to be running much more in the way of power run plays and getting away
from the zone stuff. The o-line hasn’t consistently opened up holes for the RBs, and you can’t blame them. Much of the o-line is too undersized to expect them to consistently drive bigger d-linemen off the line of scrimage. We really should stick with the zone stuff more of the time
by OrangeandBlue27 on Sep 15, 2009 3:17 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
quoting Dr. Bartlett, regarding the Bengals game
Among 20 running plays, I counted 11 zone-blocked plays and 9 man-blocked plays. Buckhalter had good success both ways, and LaMont Jordan had a nice run on a zone play. Peyton Hillis had his only carry behind man-blocking, which I think suits him best, and Knowshon Moreno ran both ways, having more success in man-blocking, which didn’t have him running sideways, which was largely his downfall in his underwhelming debut.
It’s about even, and it appears some players may be more adept at one than the other. Key word is “versatility”. Imagine, in the classic Shanahan switch-up style, the O line going man, man, man, ZONE. D lines gotta hate that.
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by broncosmontana on Sep 15, 2009 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
The o-line hasn’t consistently opened up holes for the RBs, and you can’t blame them.
who can we blame? chicago’s wide receivers?
i think
he was just suggesting that our O line consists of players better suited (size-wise) to zone, as has been our tradition under Shanahan.
It’s a fair point, but I do believe we’ve been getting a little more size there in recent years, as well as some of the FAs we’ve picked up, correct?
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by broncosmontana on Sep 15, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, i understand that point, but your response already addressed it so i was trying to be a smart ass
lol okay gotcha
And no worries — others try, you succeed. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Sep 15, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
OK but
Then why spend a 12th pick in the draft on a guy you are planning on occasionally playing? Similar to the Patriots drafting Laurence Maroney, why draft high a guy you don’t plan on using extensively?
hot hand
I think his comment about the hot hand further down in the thread is revealing. If Know comes alive, he’s gonna be the guy. That’s probably as much the coaches’ hope as it is ours. He clearly has a ways to go to adjust to NFL speed, though.
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by broncosmontana on Sep 15, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree with you BM....
Versatility is the key with the group, and take the earlier points about getting bigger in recent years and blending more power running into our game. However, the running game looked decidedly different to me on Sunday than in recent years. Maybe I missed them, but I don’t recall many zone stretch plays. Even Mcdaniels has admitted the group, and I would imagine he’s refering to Hamilton and Wegman in particular, are smaller players than he is used to in his offense. All I am suggesting is that we play to our strengths, which I propose are more quickness than power.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Sep 15, 2009 5:49 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm with you
I miss those nice big holes we used to blow in defenses. ^^
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by broncosmontana on Sep 15, 2009 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
excellent point
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