Orton's Perfect Game!
Did Orton have a perfect game?
Okay...probably not. However, I decided to watch Sunday's game again and count the number of dropped balls by each receiver. Essentially for me to count it as a drop it had to hit the intended receiver in the hands (or in Marshall's case 'should have' hit him in the hands) and would have been reasonable for an NFL-caliber receiver to make the catch. That certainly doesn't mean that they all would have been 'easy' catches.
First, here is the breakdown by receiver:
BMarsh had 3 drops.
Stokley had 2 drops.
Royal had 2 drops.
Scheff had 1 drop.
Hillis had 1 drop.
For a grand total of 9 drops.
Orton finished the game 17 for 28. Add in the 9 drops and Orton finishes 26 for 28. Orton also had two balls batted by the Bengals' defensive line. Add those in and Orton was 28 for 28. For those of you that are mathematically challenged, that's a 100% completion rate. In other words, he had the 'perfect game'. ;-)
Back to reality, some of the plays that the receiver dropped the ball didn't count (for example, on one of BMarsh's drops the Bengals were offsides). So Orton did have at least a couple of legit incompletions. Nevertheless, Orton's day could have looked much better with a little help from his friends. Not to mention that all of those drops are serious momentum killers. Many of them would have been 3rd down conversions.
The good news is that I don't think the Broncos receivers will repeat their pitiful performance. At least some drops are to be expected, but 9 in 28 pass attempts is an anomaly (32%). I think the drops were due to first game jitters and several players missing significant preseason time. Hopefully we'll also be able to get rid of some of the penalties that called back some big plays.
Ironically, one of the only 'bad throws' that Orton had all day turned into an 87 yard TD and the Broncos only trip to the endzone.
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seriously.
i’ve never seen anything like it. it was ridiculous, and it didn’t start there either. i noticed the same thing in preseason. it’s like the whole league is being mentored by braylon edwards.
lol. sorry. i guess there are no closed doors on the internet.
to be fair, and i might be mistaken on this, i think marshall had more drops than edwards last year. edwards really does have big skills, too.
No Edwards was #1. It’s just a sore wound is all. He’ll rebound this year though. It’s his contract year.
by SpecialBrownie on Sep 15, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Contract years do tend to help
Cheers, Brownie on the good natured attendance in this forum. Props and respect.
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by PositivIntegral on Sep 15, 2009 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Great post
It’s nice to look at the situation from all sides. Very helpful, PNB. Each year, there is some of this on opening weekend, but this is the worst that I recall too.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
A Batted Down Pass....
….is nowhere nearly a “completed” pass, as a drop might be construed.
That said, I think the biggest problem was the tendency to throw to receivers over the middle just as they were about to be drilled by oncoming defenders….not a great way to keep a healthy receiving corp.
Pretty obvious that working together will only improve the drop ratio….BMarsh in particular….
Hugo Norton
lol…I agree. I knew someone would bring up the batted passes, but without including them I couldn’t make my ‘somewhat tongue-in-cheek’ argument that Orton had a “perfect game”. Furthermore, one of those batted balls would have almost certainly been an INT if it had gotten through.
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by PosterNutbag on Sep 15, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
orton didn’t really hang anyone “out to dry” so much as he threw behind the receivers. “hanging someone out to dry” usually implies leading a receiver into an oncoming defender, or throwing a high pass that puts the receiver in a dangerous position
going across the middle is serious business, as any professional WR will tell you. orton needs to clean up the accuracy, no doubt, but i didn’t think he was [un]intentionally getting his receivers clocked
like
the Hillis injury last year?
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Sep 15, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Marshall and Royal would like a word with you
Both got killed on passes where they were hit immediately, even the announcers commented on it. Of course he did not intentionally get his receiver clocked, but he did lock on to them, and they got clocked.
Agree though you take away the drops and the effort looks considerably better. Of course you take away Denver’s drops you need to take away the Bengals drops and we have a whole new argument.
I guess I am ‘misremembering’ those penalties that called back big plays. Besides that 1 penalty on the last drive that took away a 1st down (followed by a 5 yard penalty) there were other penalties that impacted big plays?
The play that Marshall got clocked by Rey was not as much Orton’s fault as faulty play design/execution. Buckhalter was intended to provide a pick/block to get that LB off of Marshall and he failed miserably. It looked like the timing was slightly off and it resulted in the big hit.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Sep 15, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
You know...
I’d be a bit nervous catching the ball over the middle after seeing some of those early hits by Rey, too. That had to factor in for some of the smaller guys, pro players or not. Dude is a beast, even if he does mess up keys and over run plays occasionally.
Of course he did not intentionally get his receiver clocked, but he did lock on to them, and they got clocked.
very good point, thanks for bringing that up. i think orton’s vision was more detrimental than the actual throws, much like how russell got some raiders receivers creamed last night
Agreed
Seems to be pressing. Orton just needs to get on the board with a touchdown drive and then start to relax out there. Hopefully that happens nice and early in front of the home crowd on Sunday. Got to think that Cutler’s game on Sunday night relieved a little pressure on Orton and McD.
If Russell ever dedicates himself to the game of football the Raiders are going to be trouble.
I still think it could take a couple more weeks
But when it happens, it’ll begin looking very smooth and pretty.
by JeffG on Sep 15, 2009 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I think that “looking off” and a good hard count and other tools are the finishing touches on a QB’s game: Orton is still building the walls of this edifice. We should all be real happy that it is as far along as it is.
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by PositivIntegral on Sep 15, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
this leads to exactly waht Elway said about Orton
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
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I think I saw a much higher percentage of dangerous passes last year – over the middle and high. I know Shef and Marshall, particularly, were frequent victims. I’m sure it’s a natural temptaion when you’ve got big guys to throw it up for them, but it’s one thing on the sidelines, and another in the middle. Hopefully we won’t see too much of that this year.
Dropped passes around the NFL...
I have a theory about all the dropped passes around the NFL, and most especially by the Broncos. First, it’s opening day and there are some jitters. However, this time it was unique. I’ve never quite seen anything like it. That being said, I believe receivers are becoming the “Divas” of the league. There were always a few “Divas”, like Owens and Moss. But it’s gotten to the point were players like Marshall, who’s been injured in the offseason and has terrible off-field issues, are thinking they deserve the same pay as a Terrel Owens. Truth be told, Owens deserves to be paid over 10 million. Marshall deserves to be paid 2 million, respectively. These guys need to get their acts together, before they go out asking for more money. And first and foremost, they need to catch balls before they go out asking for more money. The biggest problem we have this year with the “Diva” perception of receivers…A rookie, Michael Crabtree, holding out when he hasn’t even played a snap in the NFL, and another rookie, Darius Heyward-Bey, getting a ridiculous contract from the idiotic Al Davis. It only builds up these receivers so much that they think they’re gods. We need to see you perform, or you’re not getting paid in Denver. Go Broncos!
by danielsanchez06 on Sep 15, 2009 4:14 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
also....
whether it was arm strength or the stitches bothering him, two throws (that i remember) were underthrown. one was the deep pass to marshall that probably should’ve been an 83 yd TD or at least a huge gain. and the other to scheffler that should’ve been a 66 yard TD…so factor those in.. .. (and assuming stokley sill makes an amazing catch even though we’re now up 2 more TDs….) and orton’s stats are
29-29 400+ yds 3 Tds…..
dreaming is fun :)
rewatch that pass to marshall. it wasn’t the best, but marshall slowed down because he thought it was underthrown, then he had to leap to make the catch (watch the ball go through his hands)
it could have been better placed, but i don’t think you can knock that throw as “underthrown,” otherwise marshall wouldn’t have had to jump to attempt a catch
also, that one pass to scheffler was poorly thrown (wrong shoulder), but tony made a nice adjustment on the pass to reel it in
That's how I saw it also
BM slowed, then jumped. I was a bit surprised (not really) the announcer pronounced it underthrown. Still, I think that BM catches that same pass a week or two from now. Wish he had been in camp.
The throw will be better in a week or two also.
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I feel the same way
I just recently got that Game Rewind from NFL.com….totally love it too. He should have come down with that one. If there is a deep play this Sunday, I think he will pull it down. You could tell the offense was out of sink, however over time we will start to click. Good thing we at least got a W.
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Loved your last line PN
Point well made and puts things in perspective. Funny that perfection is not necessarily a prerequisite for success.
Somewhere, Lombardi’s ghost is growling at Kyle Orton.
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
Hmmm... I don't know what to do with this article.
I like it so much, but I couldn’t call it a perfect performance either. It was definately a great way for Orton to start the year (as i’m sure the coaches will have bigger fish to fry this week). Kyle is progressing with each week, fixing his errors, and limiting his mistakes. After our receivers get reamed this week for their performance, we can expect a much better offensive game this sunday.
Additionally I know Dawkins will be harping on his guys to find more ways to get themselves off the field. I can’t remember which post-game interview it was but some player said (paraphrased) that it wasn’t so much the offense keeping them on the field, but them not finding enough ways to get themselves off the field. I love this, whether its true or not, our defense has obviously set a very high standard for itself and I believe it is because of all the high quality character, and proven winning veterans that refuse to accept even a great performance as “good enough”.
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It's Orange Crush Time
USMCWall,
I was very impressed with the improvements we’ve made on defense. Particularly in run support. However, we did give up several big completion on 3rd and long and also benefited from numerous big plays by Cincy getting called back by penalties. They still have plenty of work to do and I think teams will start to recognize and exploit some of our new weaknesses (such as short and mid-ranged passes over the middle).
Our offense will have to improve if we’re going to continue to win games.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Sep 15, 2009 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Definitely quite a few drops, but some bad throws as well.
Bottom line is we need to get better. Hope to see much improvement in the offense this week.
28 passes, 2 tipped, 9 dropped and 17 caught.
Say the recievers make 7 of the passes that were dropped, then that gives Orton 24/28 and the drives would have continued. The holding call when Bucky caught a pass for a 1st down in the RZ. Marshall bomb down the middle was a little under thrown but if you get your hands on the ball you catch it. I get tired of these so called professional announcers putting the blame on the quarterback when these premadonna wide receivers need to share in the blame. Orton’s passing rating of 100.7 was whittled on by the receivers! nuf said. Orton will do his job if the other 11 do theirs.
oh, the commentators DO blame the WRs
…the ones in Chicago, anyway. ;-)
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by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 15, 2009 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Add in the penalties and the whole fabric of the game changes
Orton threw two flat passes that were tipped – that’s completely on him. But when a QB has 9 passes dropped – 9! – and still has a QB rating of over 100 and a completion percentage of over 60, he hasn’t had the terrible day that some of the folks are touting.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
There is an area
in which Orton was perfect in this game. The red zone! Never once did we have to settle for a field goal. McDaniels is also to be congratulated for keeping his Red zone strategy under such close wraps. Brilliant.
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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
Thanks Poster, I needed this post...
I, having watched the Broncos for one year short of fifty years, should know better than to throw a QB under the bus after one regular season game.
I did just that….and stand corrected.
For some reason, however, I still feel Brandstater has a weird intangible poise at QB that I haven’t seen from Orton.
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Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Thanks Mike.
I’m excited about BStater too…but I don’t feel like he’s ready to start in the NFL. He was impressive in the final two preseason games. But as Klis pointed out today, he still finished with 0 TDs and 2 INTs. Although he did have two of the prettiest throws of the preseason too…we still have to remember that it was just the preseason.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Sep 15, 2009 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Still, it wouldn't surprise me if Tom B. is our starting QB by the end of the season....
…just a gut feeling.
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Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
He could be but seriously doubt it Mike.
Orton will be fine even though I never really cared for him at Chi. But I liked him better than I did Rex Grossman. I never realized the system up there wasn’t a quarterback friendly system and one that didn’t fit Orton’s strengths. Now Orton has to reeducate himself in a new system that is so intricate in scheme that it would take a while to fully learn and become comfortable with. He’ll get there.
bfree
intangible…something different…I guess we’ll see.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Give it time Mike Clark....
Orton is being giving the crash course that Cassel got over 5 years!
Orton is already being fed MOST of the playbook, in a spread offense that he has not worked in since college. \Having to play in that CRAP offense of Ron Turners for 4 seasons, and then coming here with a very sophisticated offense of Jedi McD’s is a HUGE adjustment, and guess what, he won.
QB rating of over 100 with 9 drops…..I am impressed he was that good.
Yeah, TB will be good, but I think by seasons end we will see the same QB that cut them up at Purdue.
Have faith my friend!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
boydy, I'll try
I’m in a “Wait and see what happens” mode. Let’s hope we keep winning until that ‘Mode’ (of this team) …..
…..is…..
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
On the Other Hand
The Bengals receivers dropped many too, which I guess means that our defense is not as good as they looked? I do agree that Orton played better than he appeared to play during the game. Nice post.
iMO
something coach mcd recognized in the very talented jay cutler(sorry to bring HIM up) was his distinct belief that he BY HIMSELF was the determining factor in the success or failure of the Broncos. he had to make the throw, he could not get sacked, had to throw the block… it relied on him.
on the other hand, we have a guy like Orton (or Cassel, if we want to go there which we do not) who seems convinced his job is to merely distribute the ball to his teammates, understanding a play does not rely on 1 great action or player, but 11.
i said it on another post, and it bears repeating, with Denvers talented offense, ill take the guy who gives his teammates a chance to win over the guy who assumes he is the teammates only chance to win.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Sep 15, 2009 8:51 PM MDT reply actions
Triple Comments
Even with Orton’s “perfect game”, which I agree it was pretty darn close to being, the team still did not score a lot of points and had trouble on 3rd downs. I place most of the blame on the OLine and RB’s for that.
Second, Orton simply impresses me. Yet he does not seem to impress anyone else, outside of MHR insiders. The guy is not flashy enough, I guess.
Third, Orton has a LOT of upside. I watched Tom Brady and noticed his eerie calmness in the pocket and how he ALWAYS steps into a throw whenever possible with near perfect torque. By that I mean that he uses the torque in his “center” coupling that with leg strength and arm strength to throw a usually perfect strike. Brady does very little “dancing” in the pocket. Orton is not there with his mechanics yet. I still see a lot of simple mechanics coaching improving his game enormously. Orton threw some throws too low, others too high, and others where his receiver could not catch it in stride. Those accuracy issues I believe can be corrected through coaching. What cannot be coached is that Orton has superior decision making skills. Add in better check-downs, pump fakes, hard counts, etc., Orton will continue to improve.
"don't stop me now!"
orton is a dancing machine. i never noticed it in chicago, and i was all on board for bringing him here. the dancing though, is worse than i’ve seen in the league in awhile and it clearly affects his… well, everything. i have to admit, i’m REALLY disappointed in this. i thought, well, we’re not getting the big time athlete but we were at least getting the calm, smart, controlled fourth year guy. i’m not seeing that at all (for all the “he’s learning a new…” excuses) and that’s what bugs—not so much bad passes or missed reads, interceptions, etc.
i mean, i’m not a “get brandstater in there and let him learn now” guy, but sheesh, the rookie already is light years ahead on mechanics.
Dance Lessons
I have enjoyed competing in and teaching dance through the years. One major difference between a beginner and a pro is that a beginner dances “above” the surface of the floor and the pro dances “below” the surface of the floor. It is a a “grounding” concept that takes a while to understand in your body. Orton seems to be “floating” above the field instead of playing a few feet below it. A little esoteric, I know. But I see it.
Martial artists are trained, as are dancers, to avoid “double weighted” stances. In other words, don’t stand on both feet at the same time. Move from one to the other. Again I see Orton doing a lot of doubleweighted dancing. The human body is better able to move in space if it is single weighted. You can see this condition every day when people plop down on their feet instead of gliding from their weighted foot to rest on their new point of position. How many people do you know shake the floor when they walk? That’s not a good thing. Remember the old “Kung Fu” TV series where he has to walk on rice paper without ripping it? It’s the same kind of concept.
awesome, and awesome.
the funny thing is that i have nothing to relate to your expertise but i know exactly what you’re talking about. i’m thinking martial arts, but not the feet. as i was reading your reply, i was thinking about breaking boards or bricks, etc.— how they teach you to hit to the other side of the object, and it’s the people who simply hit the object (not through it) who break their fist into 17 pieces.
not sure if you’re agreeing with me or disagreeing but it doesn’t matter—that was an excellent reply, and—i’m not joking here—it would make a great fanpost. i vote yes on that (it being my idea and all).
curious—do you still teach? and what kind of dance? i’m a right brainer (visual arts) so i’m into that sort of thing.
Very Inaccurate
Although there were a lot of drops, there were quite a few pass break ups as well. At lease 4 or 5. Granted, that’s still a very good percentage, but every team/ QB has receivers that drop the ball, and every QB gets it’s ball knocked down at the line of scrimmage. Heck, you could make excuses for all QB’s around the league for incompletions.
It’s almost as if we were saying… IF so and so didn’t miss his block, Buckhalter woul’ve had 200 rush yards and 3 TD’s.
no, your comment is very inaccurate. 9 dropped passes is an aberration that totally distorted Orton’s stats, there is no way there should have been that many, and they definitely shouldn’t be dismissed as on par with “every team/ QB has receivers that drop the ball” or an average number of missed blocks…
I agree with KD
9 incomplete passes does not beget horrible receiving, where as 9 DROPPED passes puts more on them. If Orton’s missed throws had been horribly off target and never close enough for a competent NFL Reveiver to catch then Higgy you would be correct, as it stands, this post if very accurate.
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- Thomas Alva Edison
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- Alex Noble
You cant compre it to every team you can really only compare it to one
New England d they dont have that many drops EVER. The entire success of the offense is dependent upon those catches in keeping the chains moving and keeping the defense off balance. Those drops stop the clock and disrupts the timing of a timing based offense .
the one thing think I that gets lost in all this is that EVERYONE is learning a new offense so not only is Orton making mistakes but the line and the receivers and the running backs . Youve got to let them play through and learn not only the base offense but the adjustments that go along with it .

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