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Broncos unhappy with Brett Kern?

For all intents and purposes, Broncos P Brett Kern had a decent day on Sunday in Cincinnati.  He punted the ball 8 times, averaging 42.5 yards per boot.  There were two 50-yarders in the group as well.  Of course, in a game that was determined by a big play late, every punt matters and the team might be focusing on the 28-yarder that came midway through the 3rd quarter with the Broncos leading 3-0.

Could that be the reason the team worked out a pair of punters yesterday?  Coming in for a look were Britton Colquitt, who was with the team throughout camp, and rookie Justin Brantley from Texas A&M.  Brantley was 3rd in the nation last year with a 45.7 average.

While 8 punts is a lot, you need only look at the punting stats from Week 1 to see why the Broncos might be kicking the tires on some available punters. 

This past Sunday, two other punters - Donnie Jones (Rams) and Andy Lee (49ers) - also had 8 punts.  The difference in average is astounding.  Lee averaged 49.1 yards (42.3 net) while Jones was even better - 50.8 yards (44.8 net).  As stated above, Kern averaged 42.5 yards (36.4 net).  That is 6 yards per kick, or about 50 yards of field position in a game.

If Kern's hold on the punting job wasn't tenuous before, perhaps the message has been sent that every kick matters.

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It’s hard to believe they’d replace him already, I thought he played very well apart from the shank.. but do great punters like Scifres and Lechler never shank a punt?

The CSG also reported the Broncos worked out a guard… any clue on that? Hochstein’s disappointing performance?

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by BroncosNL on Sep 16, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions  

O-line and D-Line are pretty common

each week since you can sustain injuries in bunches and teams want to be ready. Punters? Not so much.

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by John Bena on Sep 16, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

All punters shank on occasion

But the good ones don’t do it during critical parts of a game, or in their head coach’s first game when the game is on the line. I think it was wrong place, wrong time. Plus, a couple of people have mentioned that he had at least 2 bad punts in the game. That’s 25% of his punts this season so far. :)

by BroncosBassist on Sep 16, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry, Probably the wrong place to ask,

But isn’t MHR Radio on Tues nights? Did I miss something?

by powderaddict on Sep 16, 2009 10:25 AM MDT reply actions  

Yes.

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by John Bena on Sep 16, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I was bummed I love MHR radio

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Sep 16, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

same here… always used to listen it on my computer, but I downloaded it from TPS and put it on my iPod for my daily commute and man, it was over in no time!

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by BroncosNL on Sep 16, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Denver is just sending a message.

Either way, I never grow attached to any punter, they seem to swap out more than the drummer for Spinal Tap. Not during the regular season, but eh.

That shank could have been very costly. At least the center didn’t hike the ball to one of the blockers though!

by powderaddict on Sep 16, 2009 10:28 AM MDT reply actions  

haha nice analogy

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by HockeyHippie on Sep 16, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I liked Colquitt

But, to me the punting battle was close. However, I wouldn’t throw in the towel so soon. I would think the coaching staff is a little bit more decisive than this.

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by KaptainKirk on Sep 16, 2009 10:28 AM MDT reply actions  

I was probably a little over-geeked for that coffin corner BQ had, but justifiably so.. I haven’t seen one from a Broncos P in my lifetime.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

You must be pretty young...

to not have seen one of Mike Horan’s trademark Coffin Corner punts. he might not have had the booming leg of some punters, but he had hang time and deadly accuracy. He was the best directional punter I’ve ever seen, and it’s a shame that Rouen beat him out for the all time 50 yr anniversary team

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by Hercules Rockefeller on Sep 16, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I brought up Horan on the 50 thread

…I don’t remember seeing him play, but I was alive at the time.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

youngsters outnumber the rest of the fans....

it was a predictable outcome…

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 16, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Training Camp

I personally thought Colquitt won that battle, but maybe it was one of those things that it was close so go with the incumbant.

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by 3nS on Sep 16, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I did too...

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 16, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

ditto

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by Darin H on Sep 16, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think this is a warning shot to Kern

Critical mistakes like last week are unacceptable. This weeks game will be critical for him.

by DBronx777 on Sep 16, 2009 10:29 AM MDT reply actions  

You don’t flirt with kickers. And McDaniels doesnt strike me as a mind games guy. The end is near for Kern.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, we are too used to Shanny-like mind games. :)

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 16, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

8 punts

I think if you punt 8 times you’re bound to have one bad one in there.. His just came at the worst time. We need to cut down on the punts, which I have faith that we will. Especially against the Browns.

by NagaSadow on Sep 16, 2009 10:39 AM MDT reply actions  

You may be on to something

Maybe another part of our new offense will be to carry two punters due to the fatigue factor?

Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?

by Bob in Boulder on Sep 16, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

I added some stats to the post about two other guys that had 8 punts on Sunday.

Check it out…

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by John Bena on Sep 16, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

that is significant

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by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 16, 2009 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

While I agree the 6 yards per is significant

it could easily be attributed to the shank. If you remove the shank, Kern was averaging 44.5 per, higher than one of the players you listed. It is true that punters/kickers have to have the mentality to play big in important situations, I don’t think I’m ready to put Kern in front of the firing squad just yet.

by gOOn on Sep 16, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

He still only put 3/8 inside the 20.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

And if you remove the shank

why not remove a kick in which everything went perfectly? They call it average for a reason. If people got to pick and choose which plays were really representative and should count everybody’s “average” would go up.

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by spock on Sep 17, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

The recievers and OLine need a butt chewing as well.

They were responsible for killed drives that kept our D on the field way too much. 32% dropped passes! Unexceptable.

by bfree2bronc on Sep 16, 2009 10:40 AM MDT reply actions  

IIRC

Didn’t he also have another real stinker that ended up OK with a long bounce and roll?

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by Bob in Boulder on Sep 16, 2009 10:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Yes

He actually had two bad punts, but got bailed out by the roll on one as you remembered. I liked Colquitt a lot and wouldn’t be bummed if he replaced Kern. Kern also outkicked his coverage a time or two, as I recall, and that, too, might have something to do with bringing in another punter.

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by spock on Sep 16, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

then he had three bad punts

because at the end of the first he punted from our 43 for 36 yards and it got returned 11 yards. I just watched it and the punt looked like it got about 20 feet high—it was only in the air for about 3.5 seconds, not the coverage’s fault for return IMO.

by poorboywilly on Sep 16, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wasn't thrilled with Kern's performance, personally.

Maybe my standards are too high, but I thought he was shaky. Not terrible, but a little shaky.

Add in that I thought Colquitt looked very good in the preseason (particularly with pinning the opponent), and I can understand taking another look.

by NedBronco on Sep 16, 2009 10:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Personally, I thought Colquitt had the better camp and I liked the way he was pinning opponents. I’m with you Ned, I wasn’t really thrilled with Kerns performance but he’s a good punter and I wouldn’t make the move just yet………

I have FAITH in what McDaniels is doing, and how he goes about it!

by milehighinTO on Sep 16, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I actually was disappointed they went with Kern over Colquitt

so I’m not torn up that they are giving him a second look.

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by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 16, 2009 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ditto.

But my opinion is tempered by my confidence that I don’t know much. ; )

by NedBronco on Sep 16, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I might have to use that as my sig line......!

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by HockeyHippie on Sep 16, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just feel bad for Kern's newborn baby....

unemployed? new baby? ouch!

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by Tim Lynch on Sep 16, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

same here

I’m suprised that Colquitt is still available, actually. I thought he would be snapped up by another team as soon as we cut him.

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by odarol on Sep 16, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Coach quotes..."Always looking to improve any position"; "Field position crucial"

I think it is consistent with everything Coach has said to date for them to always be looking at opportunities to improve, particularly if it might mean more consistently good field position. Maybe just a message that, “You can be replaced”…but if a clear upgrade were available, you have to believe they’d pursue it.

by kaze9999 on Sep 16, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions  

I checked it out and added this to the post..

While 8 punts is alot, you need only look at the punting stats from Week 1 to see why the Broncos might be kicking the tires on some available punters.

This past Sunday, two other punters – Donnie Jones(Rams) and Andy Lee(49’ers) – also had 8 punts. The difference in average is astounding. Lee averaged 49.1 yards(42.3 net) while Jones was even better – 50.8 yards(44.8 net). As stated above, Kern averaged 42.5 yards(36.4 net). That is 6 yards per kick, or about 50 yards of field position in a game.

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by John Bena on Sep 16, 2009 10:51 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Low kicks

I don’t know if was just me but his kicks seemed kind of low but we did have good coverage so it didn’t hurt us

I have FAITH in what McDaniels is doing, and how he goes about it!

by milehighinTO on Sep 16, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

No...It did...

The difference between net and gross for all three kickers are almost the same. That means the extra distance the other guys were kicking the ball wasn’t hurting them. That makes it 50 yards of field position.

Averages aren’t the end-all, but Kern’s shank came on a punt from the Broncos 17. The Bengals started that drive, down 3, at the Broncos 45. Could have been a killer.

I’m not advocating making a switch, but pointing out what McD and the Broncos are thinking.

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by John Bena on Sep 16, 2009 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

You should be advocating a switch. This is the NFL.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

two bad punts, really

One off the side of his foot, one shank. 25% is a lot at this level – I can see why they’re nervous

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by Doc Bear on Sep 16, 2009 10:58 AM MDT reply actions  

So I'm back to...

…not having anything to question McD about. Kern stinks, and Colquitt should have won the job outright. Better late than never.

The only problem with Colquitt is, he has a lot of Vanderjagt in him. He thinks he’s more than a kicker, and is a frat boy d-bag. I could care less, however, if the results are there.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:04 AM MDT reply actions  

why is colquitt even available?

i thought he was impressive in the preseason. wasn’t the prevailing opinion that he’d be snapped up when mcd chose kern?

by ssc on Sep 16, 2009 11:04 AM MDT reply actions  

He’s a punter. Teams don’t rush to ink kickers this early in the season. Especially ones with character concerns.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

are his character concerns common knowledge?

your comment above about him being a “frat boy d-bag” — is that from following him in college or something you picked up about him during his time in denver?

by ssc on Sep 16, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just at UT. He appeared to be all class in camp. But those DUIs are common knowledge.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

ah - that is probably why they went with Kern when they made cuts

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by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 16, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

another theory

or at least added impetus to pick Kern, was that Preifer was coaching a Colquitt before. He may have felt uncomfortable giving the edge in a close punting battle to the brother of someone else he coached, and since the battle was close, he had nothing to lose by recommending Kern.

I am reminded of last year how I didn’t wnat to 100% endorse Ryan Clady before the draft, because of my Boise State homerism. I knew my opinion on the subject would carry weight, and I wasn’t confident that I wasn’t seeing Clady through Blue and orange tinted glasses (note: orange and blue tinted glasses ar for our other Broncos). I forced an objectivity into my opinion that didn’t exist in fact, and the end result was a deflated view of all the oline talent in the draft, and an uninspiring opinion of Clady, which made me feel…dirty. Kyle from Broncotalk called me out and basically said, “you know he is better than that…” It wasa come to jesus moment for me.

I hope that if this is in any way similar to the Broncos and Colquitt, that they just bite the bullet and take a chance on Colquitt. He looked fantastic in the preseason, most especially in the game where he was going mano y mano with Kern. He outpunted Kern that day despite a stellar effort by Kern, which required him to make perfect placement punts and high arcing beauties. And he went second that day. He demonstrated versatility and cool under fire, and I think he would make a great Bronco.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 16, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Give in to your homerism, Styg!

I know I’ve never let my own get in the way of endorsements.

(see Bradley Van Pelt, Gartrell Johnson). ;-)

But you make a good point about Preifer. A combination of things to consider in a close battle. Experience. Possible character concern. Appearance of bias. Slower windup, etc.

"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com

by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 16, 2009 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gartrell is going to be a monster. And I still say long live BVP!

Where will you be on October 1st, 2009 at 6:45 PM Mountain Time?

by Bob in Boulder on Sep 16, 2009 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey Bob

Have you read “A Few Seconds of Panic” yet? Really good info/insight in the book on BVP, as well as being the best recent Bronco book out! ;)

Do yourself a favor and grab it!

by AllBroncsallday on Sep 16, 2009 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Your opinion matters a lot Styg

hence this question. I liked everything I saw in Colquitt except what looked like a very slow wind-up in getting off the punt that got partially blocked. Does he take one more step than most punters, or did I simply misperceive? I hope so, because it seems unlikely he’d have gotten this far, especially coming from a kickers family, with such a fundamental flaw. Can you give an analysis of that play? Was he slow to get the kick off for other reasons, and if so is it the sort of thing that can be corrected without messing with his basic mechanics? Or did someone simply miss a blocking assignment? I might be reading too much into one play, but kicking out of his own end zone is a situation in which a kicker can make a huge difference, not only in safely getting the kick away but also getting enough distance and hang time to minimize the short field disadvantage the defense faces during the subsequent series. I ask these questions because I liked everything else I saw from Colquitt and want to think he could be a viable option. I love his hang time and accuracy. I remember at least one coffin corner kick that was absolutely gorgeous, something we see too rarely these days.

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by spock on Sep 17, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Live Press Conference...

at denverbroncos.com if you guys are interested. Not started yet but about to.

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by sirsam on Sep 16, 2009 11:10 AM MDT reply actions  

Colquitt

I worked in a small metal fabricating shop many years ago while in college. We were making bumpers for trucks. We would start with a flat piece of steel and them bring down a press. I made one mistake because I wasn’t paying attention and ruined a piece of steel. I was fired. Moral of the Story? YOU CAN’T MAKE MISTAKES!

Colquitt was impressive in camp. Plus he can also kick field goals. The NFL is a business, punters are relatively inexpensive, and YOU CAN’T MAKE MISTAKES!

by Endzone on Sep 16, 2009 11:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Tony Grossi @ the CPD...

…loves Cribbs’ chances against Kern.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1253089850175500.xml&coll=2

I hadn’t even really factored that. If you were even flirting with a change at Punter, Joshua Cribbs coming to town expedites the process.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:17 AM MDT reply actions  

most important point so far

the Broncos are tightening up the ship in direct correlation to an imminent threat. If we were playing another rookie returner next week, they might try to be more patient, but Cribbs is the best return man in the league right now, and they have no choice but to get better NOW.

STs is Clevelands one true NFL caliber threat, and it will give them chances to win against any team. McXanders is doing what they have to do to go 2-0 right now, and if it is successful in limiting Cribbs’ productivity, well, then it will be a successful long term choice, cause if you can stop him, you can stop anyone.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 16, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you can limit his danger in one EASY way

DON’T Friggin kick to Cribbs. I don’t care if it gives them 10yards better field position every time we punt the ball…I order the punter to kick it out of bounds EVERY time…same thing with Hester.

I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.

by sadaraine on Sep 16, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Darin H on Sep 16, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kern can't kick directionally...

Do you think the coaching staff told him to kick straight at Hester last month? No way. But he did. He can’t help it.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 9:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whereas Colquitt appears to be an exceptionally skilled directional punter

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by spock on Sep 17, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt have much of a problem with the team bringing in a new punter if...

the guy can establish a strong rapport with Prater. Personally if Prater keeps kicking the way he did on sunday, and bringing in a replacement for Kern (having someone else hold kicks) could be problematic.

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by alacumba!! on Sep 16, 2009 11:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Simms is an experienced holder, and worked with Prater in camp.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I would much rather a QB hold the ball anyway. Seems like a better skill set to have in the event of a bad snap, plus you are set up for the fake.

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by odarol on Sep 16, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Awesome point

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Kern throw the ball before. If you suddenly line up your second string QB to hold when your punter has been doing it, that’s a pretty dead giveaway.

by BroncosBassist on Sep 16, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

This situation doesn't happen often.

I’m thinking logistics. It’s easier to have the punter practice with the kicker during ST practice rather than pulling the backup QB out of any possible reps he could get with the offense. It’s important that these backup QBs are sharp in case they’re needed.

That’s how the Pats “discovered” Brady and Cassel.

I’d rather have the ST get the practice reps together and the QBs spend all the time they can with the offense.

Besides, punters need catching practice too right?

by dr.mort on Sep 16, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I guess it’s probabally more of a college level consideration.

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by odarol on Sep 16, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

you never know BB...

I mean, Cincy lined up without a punter last week, and the Broncos didn’t seem to have a clue…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 16, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

*groan*

one of the lowlights of the game. I forsee Josh grilling the D every week here on out on who the opposing team’s punter is…you know…as part of the standard game prep. :-P

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by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 16, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was a signature Jake Plummer move

and I always loved it for those reasons, and just the idea of a good set of hands and some real-ilfe experience coping with an f-up.

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by PositivIntegral on Sep 16, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

One thing about Colquitt

His windup is slower than Byron Leftwich’s. Remember that he had a block during the pre-season. I think that might have been what cost him the job over Kern (plus Kern’s one extra year of experience). I think Kern was the field goal holder, so he’s going to be somewhat tough to replace. There would be a hiccup.

I do love me a good coffin kick. It’s almost extinct in the NFL these days.

by BroncosBassist on Sep 16, 2009 11:21 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Windup

I also noticed that on the one blocked kick in preseason. Is that something coaching can cure? I’m not concerned about the holder.

by Endzone on Sep 16, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the reminder

I’d forgotten about that. It took him forever to get that kick off. I also thought, and I might be mistaken here, that he took one more step than usual, something like left, right, left, kick rather than right, left, kick. It was my feeling too that his slow windup kicking from his own end zone scared the coaches into going with Kern.

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by spock on Sep 16, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm wondering if EZ is right

and that can be coached out of him. He needs to work on mechanics, like our QBs do, but I wonder how much is ingrained from an early age and how much can be corrected. You can rebuild your swing if you are diligent. Look at Tiger Woods. He’s done it more than once, if memory serves.

by BroncosBassist on Sep 16, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Kern Hold?

Sorry, but I disagree with messing with Prater’s holder right now. Doesn’t seem like a good idea to mess with his psyche after the issues last year. At least not to sign a punter that we don’t know is going to definitively improve us.

by Broncoholic_07 on Sep 16, 2009 11:21 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

See above

Simms can hold. I think it was the reason Kern made the team, but brass quickly realized it’s not enough to justify his poor punts. Prater is a big boy, and Paxton is a tactician. Holding won’t be an issue for anybody.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

But...

Prater’s issues last year weren’t physical. He may be a big boy, but he hasn’t been consistent enough to think he can handle things other veteran kickers can. I understands what you are saying, I’m just saying I think it’s a bad idea right now. McD made the decision on the punter, and 1 game shouldn’t sway it.

by Broncoholic_07 on Sep 16, 2009 11:30 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought Prater's issues last year were due to leg fatigue?

I’m not saying he didn;t lose it mentally as well, but I think last year a big part of his problem was physical.

People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.

by c_style on Sep 17, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tired Leg?

I wouldn’t necessarily discount that the Broncos could be looking at a change, but it’s also possible that they wanted to work out their punt returners without tiring out their punter. Sometimes, bringing somebody in for a “workout” can be a way to flex your practice roster without having to make a roster move. It’s supposed to be against the rules to use workouts in this way, but it would be impossible to pin any coach down on this.

by sports_monkey on Sep 16, 2009 11:24 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

If that were the case...

…they’d just let 15 punt in practice.. he’s proven he can do it ;-)

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

And as we say in soccer

No touch (of the ball) is a bad touch. there might be a little bit of hazing too. rec’d

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by PositivIntegral on Sep 16, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kern's punts were not good

Most were low with little or no hang time. Worse, they weren’t turning over: the long one was actually a nice tight spiral. It was like Cosby was catching passes rather than fielding punts. The reason there was no disaster of a return like Hester’s was good coverage and Cosby’s inexperience. The Broncos definitely lost the punting game.

by DCJ on Sep 16, 2009 11:34 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

yeah, kern disappointed

outkicked coverage a few times, and on short punts. and we cant say the sample size was too small to get a bearing on how effective he may be, with 87 opportunities to show he should be the guy with so critical a task. good coverage is useless if a guy can fair catch for the same yardage as a 20 yard runback.

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by Jay Fin Anderson on Sep 16, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Message to all from McD ...

If you singley do a critically important thing, you must be perfect, everytime.

When Lonie Paxton was brought in, broncobear mentioned: “He hasn’t missed a snap in years.” Proven just how important given this weeks’ poor showing by the Cincy LS.

Also, if you are one of a few, don’t screw up too often, such as when Brandstater was drafted, I bet Orton and Simms probably took notice.

broncorat

by broncorat on Sep 16, 2009 12:05 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

lol

I was with you until the Brandstater mention. I don’t think Orton lost any sleep when he was drafted.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Although

he may have lost sleep after watching him in the last preseason game.

"Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it."
- Chuck Noll

by Kfustud on Sep 16, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Throwing 0 TDs against the Cardinals 4th string. Watch out, Kyle.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ooh That is a Smart Assessment

Throwing smart passes to smart locations was fun to watch from such a young QB. He showed skills beyond his years.

You probably didn’t notice though.

"Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it."
- Chuck Noll

by Kfustud on Sep 16, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not going to trash the guy, but he’s not our future QB. Not a chance in Oakland.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again, not to belittle TB as a man, but he was an average QB in the WAC.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lack of Success in College

Doesn’t seem to matter to our coach as far as QBs are concerned.

"Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it."
- Chuck Noll

by Kfustud on Sep 16, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're right...

…there are a ton of guys with low TD/INT ratios in watered down conferences dominating in the NFL. Oh, wait.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Past performance may not be an indication of future results"

How Tom Brady’s agent sold that sorry pack of goods to Belichick!

broncorat

by broncorat on Sep 16, 2009 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brady didn't play at Michigan

There’s a big difference between an unknown entity and proven mediocrity.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh Ya

That makes sense. He was an unknown because he didn’t beat out the competition. guess the same goes for Cassel.

You see mediocre I bet the coaches that drafted him saw different.

"Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it."
- Chuck Noll

by Kfustud on Sep 16, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

yes and no

It’s true that some WAC QBs had very high numbers, but is perhaps more useful to look at the ones who were NFL possibles and consider the metrics as well as the numbers. Keep in mind – Brandstater went through 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years, so his numbers won’t tend to reach his potential. That’s why you break down film. It was also clear that while his gross numbers dropped a little over his senior year, his mechanics improved.

His QB rating was 140.49 his junior year and 129.4 as a senior. He threw 33 TDs versus 17 INTs over the two years (61% completion percentage) and totaled 5268 yards over that time. He ranked fourth in the league in passing efficiency and total offense over his senior season. That doesn’t seem like average numbers, but I could be wrong about that. Interesting, though.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 16, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I Wouldn't Be Surprised

to see him Start in a Year, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t.

His play in the preseason looked as sharp as many more highly rated rookies and I think his play, as much as anything else, precludes Denver drafting a QB next year.

To be honest I expect him to start for Denver at some point.

"Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it."
- Chuck Noll

by Kfustud on Sep 16, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Broncos fans have a QB fetish...

…but Brandstater isn’t McDaniels’ pet project. They needed depth and they threw a dart at a wall of pictures of the QBs left.

And not drafting a QB early next year doesn’t mean anything considering Simms is inked through 2012 and Orton will most likely be re-upped.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ya Your Right

I am totally crazy. Ya the fact that the guy made smart decisions and threw the ball well in a couple different situations, made progress between performances, and otherwise looked decent that is all just make believe. Heck his scouting report that stressed intelligence, pocket presence, and touch wouldn’t be a good fit for our system either.

From what I saw him put on the field I would be surprised if he doesn’t get a chance to start. He isn’t there today, but given time I think he could be. Oh, but your “Dart Theory” makes much more sense.

"Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it."
- Chuck Noll

by Kfustud on Sep 16, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression you were older than 12...

…apologies for replying to the first thing I saw you say

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ya

That is a mature reply, “let me insult you then pretend to be above that.”

"Before you can win a game, you have to not lose it."
- Chuck Noll

by Kfustud on Sep 16, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

rec'd for your first point

That’s exactly right. If you aren’t “versatile”, you better be good at your specialist role.

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 16, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

and it goes double for a McDaniels led team.

"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton

by odarol on Sep 16, 2009 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was wondering...

How many of those 8 punts were pinned inside the 20? I mean if he is punting from the 50, of course his average will be low. Someone help me on this because I honestly don’t know.

And before you ask, yes I watched the game. I just don’t remember. You have to understand. I was forced to go to the bar AGAIN, and consume mass quantities of beer and Jager and wings, AGAIN! I live on the East Coast dude so most weeks I fall victim to the East Coast programming. It’s not my fault!!! The bar made me get hammered.

All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.

by orangeblood on Sep 16, 2009 1:21 PM MDT reply actions  

3/8

Were inside the 20.

by ELGee on Sep 16, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks G

All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.

by orangeblood on Sep 16, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was surprised that Colquitt didn't make the roster,

He was good with the coffin corner kick and place kicked a couple of times. I have wondered why they didn’t pull the trigger on Kerns maybe more experience, I don’t know.

by bfree2bronc on Sep 16, 2009 2:09 PM MDT reply actions  

WHY NOW???

The Answer is JOSHUA CRIBBS. The Punt returner for the Cleveland Browns that some people belief is a better returner than Devin Hester. Two ways to neutralize a great returner; (1) great hang time on punts – even with the possibility of a shorter net kick which will lead to a fair catch or immediate tackle, (2) Directional “Coffin Corner” kicks that actually go out of bounds – hence no return. BQ is outstanding at both these – KERN is NOT

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by Broncobh on Sep 16, 2009 3:26 PM MDT reply actions  

absolutely

I jsut commented on this above, but low straight kicks like last week will be a feast for Cribbs.

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 16, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kern V. Colquitt

I was a little surprised — although I probably shouldn’t have been — that Kern won out over Colquitt. Looking at the situation on talent & ability alone, Colquitt won the job. Both, however, are good punters, so either should have been more than adequate.

Kern’s 2nd shank in as many games did get me thinking, and the (apparent) decision to re-valuate that position parallels my own thinking.

Punters shouldn’t shank kicks, period. They don’t have to be perfect but they should be close. And I realize that I open myself to the charge of inconsistency since I advocating keeping Prater even though he struggled. Prater was clearly experiencing a physical problem late last year that was evident on his kickoffs, but his accuracy was comparable to some of the best kickers when one takes out that bad stretch, and his leg strength is elite, which is important to consider for long field goals and kickoffs.

I’m not bailing on Kern just yet but he’s punted on poorly on a number of punts lately (as I recall) — not just two. Colquitt showed some extraordinary punting ablilty, and it goes beyond what’s measured in total yardage and net yardage. As others have noted, he’s far better at directional (and from my casual observations) punting and placing the ball out inside the 20. I have to say I’d prefer Colquitt at this point. He adds a lot more to the team, and is a true weapon. The character concerns haven’t gone away, since 3 DUIs (or alcohol violations?) is excessive, but sometimes you have to give people a chance and hope for the best.

BTW — Bret Kern and his wife had a baby on the 8th of this month, Bryce Kern. Just something to think about.

One more comment — the return in the Chicago game happened after a Kern punt, to my recollection.

"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas

by Colinski on Sep 16, 2009 6:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Consistency

I think that McD and friends wants consistency out of the punting game. 1 shank is bad, but two in two games is a trend. Its hard to play field position football if suddenly 20 yards is given away on 4th down before anyone even has to tackle the punt receiver. I think its part of the focus on special teams…. all aspects of the special tams.

by idahobronc on Sep 16, 2009 6:33 PM MDT reply actions  

If he cant handle

the pressure, we should find someone else. HEY he wears #1, Elam could handle the pressure.

live and die blue and orange

by jerry251 on Sep 17, 2009 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

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