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The Truth About Punting


There has been lots of talk about Kurn's shanked punt causing the organization to bring in other punters this week and possibly even leading to his departure as a Denver Bronco. Well, what causes a shanked punt? Why should this guy be kicked to the curb (pun) for his shanked punt?


First of all, I'll establish a little bit of credibility. I played soccer for 13 years and keeper for 8 years. I was responsible for field kicks (when the ball goes out at the touch line, the ball is placed 8 yards from the touch line and kicked toward center field) and punting the ball after making a save. Although, it's a different sport, the punter/kicker/keeper positions are pretty similar. Of course, in soccer there is a round ball but that's irrelevant, as many soccer players turn out to be kickers (for example my high school teammate is the kicker for the University of Kentucky Wildcats). The ball may be different, but the kicking motion is the same.

 

 

Let's start off with a little bit of the mechanics of a kick.

Punting is all about repetition and synchronization. Punting the ball starts with repetition. The more times you kick the ball, the more your body will recognize that motion and become more natural doing it. Synchronization is important because it is a delicate balance between where the ball is released from your hand and where it hits the top of your foot.

When punting, you don't just drop the ball onto your foot and swing through. You hold the ball as long as you possible, until your foot just about comes to meet it (I've even kicked my hand with the ball still in my fingers a few times)(not fun). If you were to drop the ball really early, the ball is out of your control longer and will increase the chances of it moving slightly forward, backward, left or right and throwing off the direction of the ball off of your foot.

Now, we can go through kicking angles. The higher your foot is when it meets the ball, the higher the ball is going to go in the air. Based off of the angle of your foot to the ground, the ball will have the same initial velocity, but a different initial angle. So, since we talked about your foot meeting the ball in your hand, the way to adjust the height of the kick is by holding the ball higher or lower to the ground. Normally, you hold the ball at about waist height. For a higher kick, hold above the waist and for a lower kick, hold the ball below waist height. Kicking angle is not too difficult to adjust from kick to kick. Experienced punters are able to adjust the height pretty easily by making a conscious effort to hold the ball at a certain height. So, that usually doesn't cause much problem.

Directional kicking is a little bit different. It takes lots and lots of kicking to be able to place the ball accurately. Repetition, repetition, repetition. This is the easiest and hardest part about kicking. In theory, it is very simple to kick the ball a certain direction. The way to kick in a direction is to point your plant foot in the direction of your kick. If you are right footed kicker, your left is the plant leg and on your final step, your toe will point in the direction your kick will go. It's really interesting to see how this works. As long as you aren't kicking the ball with your toe, that is.

In soccer, we were told that when you are defending someone, you watch their hips. If you watch the ball or their feet, you will get beaten, but if you watch their hips, you know exactly where to go. (It's the same in basketball, too.) Well, in the kicking game, your hips follow what your plant leg does. So, when you point your toe in the direction of your target, your hips will also point that direction, causing your kicking leg to swing that direction. That is how the ball goes through the uprights when a kicker kicks it.

So, we have the basics. Kick through to meet the ball in your hand so that it has less chance of changing the direction of your kick. Point your plant foot toe at the target.

 

 

So, where do shanks come from if kicking is that easy?

It's all in your head.


What keepers are taught (or should be taught) is that when you punt the ball, you never try too hard to kick the ball. When you put more effort into a kick, many times your leg will swing through it's motion faster than the rest of your body adjusts. Your head is saying "I really need to put some leg into this one." However, the best way to kick the ball is just relax and let it flow naturally (that is what all of that repetition was for). Your leg strength is what gives you distance. Trying extra hard to kick the ball is not.

So, why can't your whole body adjust when your brain wants to kick harder? Well, like I said before, punting is about repetition. If you kick at speed A during practice, your body is going to kick at speed A during a game. When you punt and your brain tells your leg to swing through faster because you wanna hit the ball harder, sometimes it doesn't tell your hand that. So, if you go to kick and your leg is going at a different speed than your body is used to, your hand may have not gotten the message and the synchronization may be thrown off. Your hand thinks your foot is at a certain spot in space (because that's where it always is in practice), but when it isn't, the ball could go who knows where.

 

 


During the Cincinnati game, Kurn's brain wanted his leg to swing faster so the ball would go farther (understandable, since this was a big situation in the game), but since his hand released the ball at the same time and place as it would during a normal kick, his leg was not in the same time or place and he shanked it.

It all comes down to experience. The more you are in a big game, the calmer you are. The more experience you have kicking the ball, the less you feel that you have to change your mechanics to make a big play. Kurn has the ability, the practice, the leg strength and the accuracy to be a good punter. The only problem is, you can't be as effective if you are trying to play outside of your own abilities.

Kicking is a mind game. I don't know that you can really punt as effectively with your job on the line. This may make him step up his game and punt better. Then again, the more pressure is put on a punter, the higher his chances are of thinking too much and having another possible shank.

Poll
What will happen with Brett Kern?
He'll step up his game and continue to punt for the Broncos.
51 votes
He'll get beat out by Colquitt
44 votes
He'll get beat out by somebody else.
3 votes
Who cares? It's just a punter.
3 votes

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kentucky, does that mean then that Colquitt’s modus operandi of a long wind up cannot be changed?

by Endzone on Sep 16, 2009 12:58 PM MDT reply actions  

you can remodel someones kicking mechanics but it takes a long time unless you get them early.

Under pressure they often revert back to a known flaw.

I’d imagine that this probably happens with a lot of quarterbacks, golfers, etc.

It all comes down to (what my football(soccer) coach called) muscle memory.
If you are thinking about it then it is going to end in tears.

Excellent post kentucky.

One other thing:-

I’ve often wondered why the use of a classic rugby style “drop kick” isn’t used more often as an option (i assume it is still legal).

by AlleyCat. on Sep 16, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's no mystery why the rugby style "drop kick" isn't used, here.

I believe it is legal, however, many would not use it because the tip of the football is not rounded like the rugby ball. It could take a wayward bounce and cause a coaching meltdown. Could you imagine what an NFL coach would do if the ball dropped to the turf and bounced to the left or right for a scoop and score? He’d probably shove his headset down the kicker’s throat.

Plus, rugby is a different style of game for a kicker. For the most part, they aren’t kicking for distance. My brother is a rugby player and told me a thing or two about the game on ESPN.

When a player kicks the ball, they try and kick it as high as possible because the kicker is the only one allowed to recover the ball if the opposition bobbles it. So, they kick it high in the air so they can get far enough down the field to knock down the opposing receiver and possibly cause a fumble. It’s a lot different than football or soccer where the kicker doesn’t try and recover the ball.

So, that’s my best attempt at a rugby answer from my own understanding. If someone knows more about rugby than me, please comment and clarify a little bit better.

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 16, 2009 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not quite right about the kicker in rugby

I played in college. When the person kicks the ball in rugby, they are the offside line. In other words, the kicker or anybody that is parallel or behind the kicker on the same team can touch the ball first. Also, they do not have to wait for the other team to catch the ball, it is whoever gets to it first…that is why they usually kick it high, because it is a free ball.

Also, excellent post on your part.

by bonaire on Sep 16, 2009 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for th clarification.

I don’t know nearly as much about rugby. lol

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 17, 2009 5:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

it’s probably not so much the tip hitting the ground that is the issue, it is that the drop punt uses the tip area to get the power during the kick so a pointed NFL ball would probably lead to more shanks because of the less target area. it is also very difficult to get decent power without a run up.

the momentum of the ball usually creates a very predictable bounce and with a run up, drop punts are more accurate and get more distance (probably due to the run up). rugby league players (not rugby union) often kick 60m to go out of bounds within 10m of the opposing sides tryline.

but it is most likely not used because a run up is needed for decent power

by googlehymer on Sep 17, 2009 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, I just thought of another good reason why the drop kick isn't used

This explanation is getting long. I think it could probably warrant a completely new post.

I’m such a tease…….

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 16, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with AlleyCat, here.

It’s like being able to write with your right hand and then when you are 25 years old, decide to write with your left. It can be done, but it will take lots and lots of practice and repetition.

Personally, I’ve found it very difficult to change. Once you find a rhythm, kicking the ball a certain way, it’s very comfortable and hard to change. It can be done, though.

If he were to try and change that, it would be in the offseason. If he tried during the season, it would probably be futile to change. He would likely practice a short wind up but then revert back to a long wind up during a game.

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 16, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice post, Thanks for the insight..

IMHO Colquitt did a great job in pre-season, I was
actually surprised that Kurn kept the job.

by bleedbroncos on Sep 16, 2009 2:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Best. Post. Ever.

About. A. Punter.

Terrific input kentucky. For me, the “shank” against Cincy was part of a culmination of punts that were off, and after reading your piece, I think what I was seeing was a lack of height, bad placement and finall, a shank. His head wasn’t right, and the field position battle was stuck in neutral while he degraded. He did get distance several times, but I don’t recall any forced fair catches, and usually the returner had a free five yards, classic symptoms of “outkicking the coverage”. Compare this to Royal, who was running sideways immediately upon catching the ball.

Kern did this last year too, along with several of Denver’s recent punter casualties. Inconsistent in games, consistent in practice.

I really hope the Broncos decide to go with Colquitt. He did excellent int he preseason, and seems to kick better with more pressure (probably because in a family of kickers, pressure kicking is a natural, normal phenomenon).

Great read kentucky!

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by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 16, 2009 3:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks styg.

I’m glad those ridiculous two-a-day soccer practices came in handy.

I agree. You are right on point. It’s definitely something that can be worked on. Like I said, the height of the kick is the easiest thing to adjust. If his head is in the right place, that is. If he’s outkicking the coverage, he can just release a little higher and get better height at the same velocity, causing the ball to be a little bit shorter, but at the same time it gives his coverage a chance to get to the returner.

He’s got the tools, it’s just a matter of getting his head on straight. He doesn’t have to kill it. If he just thinks to himself “make good contact and get lots of hang time”, the coverage team will do the rest.

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 16, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just broke the tie

And I voted for Kern to stay. But I as || this close to voting for “who cares?” LOL. I also played soccer and was keeper for several teams. I know from kicking both footballs and soccer balls that the soccer ball is more forgiving if you are off a bit. But the motion is the same. Although there is one more minor difference, you can hold a football with one hand, so your arms are in a slightly different position, and that might give you more balance when kicking a football…I just thought of that…I might be off my rocker.

Not all change is good, just as not all movement is forward.

by Trogdoor on Sep 17, 2009 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

I liked to hold the ball with both hands when I punted a soccer ball. It made for less spin before it touches your foot. Sometimes if you only use one hand, the ball rolls off of one side and onto your foot, causing a little bit of a spin. I guess it’s all up to personal preference, though. It doesn’t really matter as much about how you hold it as much as how you release it.

On the other hand, my backup keeper held it with one hand. So, I don’t really know how that affects your balance. Maybe I’ll ask him someday. hahaha.

Really, I think that as long as you aren’t falling down or feel off balance when you kick, it shouldn’t affect your kick.

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 17, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow,

I never cease to be amazed by what I learn on this website.

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- George Washington Carver

by Kfustud on Sep 16, 2009 4:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Good post kb, Rec'd

I have something to add. If you read ‘A few seconds of Panic’ by Stephan Fatsis, he states that his Trainer/Coach/Kicking Guru had to convince him that field goal kicking is different than soccer kicking. The approach is similar, but there are different mechanics. I don’t own a copy of the book, as I checked it out at the library, so I can’t quote anything. Obviously you are talking about punting and not kicking, but I thought that nugget should be shared.

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by KaptainKirk on Sep 16, 2009 4:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks Kaptain

There’s definitely a difference in kicking a soccer ball from the ground and kicking a football from the ground. Getting a football off of the ground is very difficult for people who haven’t practiced the motion. I can’t do it and I played soccer for years. So, the motion for a field goal is definitely different than kicking a soccer ball off the ground. They are two different skill sets. But you’re right, if the ball is off the ground, it’s quite a bit like punting a soccer ball.

 I’m with you all the way on that. Good observation.

Thanks for the heads up on that book. I’ll look into it.

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 16, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m quite interested to know what the mechanics of kicking a football is compared to a soccer ball (or rugby ball).

Often in soccer you will use three different parts of the foot dependant on power, precission or “swerve” (or kids sometimes use a 4th – which is the end of the toe).

I could never master hitting the ball well with the outside of the foot (which is how a lot of footballers get the ball to “swerve violently” late in the balls flight).

do punters or place kickers use anything but one part of the foot?

(who knew kicking was this in depth).

by AlleyCat. on Sep 17, 2009 2:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great question.

Simply put, no. They would not use anything but their laces.

Here’s why. Using different parts of your foot, other than the laces of your shoe, causes the ball to bend. I’m sure you all have heard the phrase “Bend it like Beckham” or whatever. Kicking with the outside of your foot, on a right footed kicker, causes the ball to bend hard right as the ball is in the air. Opposite for a lefty. So, you are right about that.

Kickers and punters in the NFL really don’t need a bending ball, so they wouldn’t use the outside of their foot. Now, if there came along an NFL kicker who did have a bending ball, that would be beautiful to watch. It would be interesting to see if you could even make a football bend left or right.

So yes, kickers mainly use the top part of their foot.

The only exception I could think of is an onside kick. When you kick an onside kick, sometimes kickers will use the inside of their foot to make contact with the ball, creating a golf club like shape with their leg. This is used mainly because it is impossible to strike the top half of the ball with the your laces on the top of your foot. It’s one of those physical restrictions that humans have. You can only bend your angle forward so far. It also beats the alternative of kicking with the outside of your foot. Using the flat inside of your foot makes for a pretty accurate kick, but not a lot of power. So, it works for onside kicks.

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 17, 2009 5:18 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Puzzled

You got me puzzled now kentucky. Many eons ago kickers would line up directly behind the ball and kick with the top of their foot with their toe pointed forward, in effect kicking with the laces. Starting roughly in the 70’s the soccer style kickers began appearing. Visually what I see are the kickers approaching the ball from the side and kicking with the inside of their foot, in effect NOT kicking with their laces. The exception is the PUNTER who holds or drops the ball onto his kicking foot. At least that’s how I see the kickers.

by Endzone on Sep 17, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

You are right, to an extent.

The expression “kick with your laces” is a thrown phrase word in football and soccer. I’m not sure it’s the correct expression, but the way I’ve been coached, my understanding is that “kick with your laces” refers to using the top part of your foot to make contact with the ball. As opposed to the “golf club method” where you turn your foot outward and strike it with the side of your foot.

So, you’re right, in that kickers don’t come straight in on the ball with their actual shoe laces. However, they do strike the ball with the top part of their foot. If you notice, when a kicker comes in at an angle, as he is going to strike the ball, his toe points outward toward the ground and his body is leaned to the side. So, when his body leans, the angle that his hip makes with the ground is not 90 degrees. So, his body is leaned and his foot is coming through the motion of the swing and his foot will still make contact with the ball on the top part of his foot. It may be a little bit to the inside of the laces, but it is certainly not kicked with the side of his foot.

You will never see a kicker turn his foot sideways and make a golf club like shape with his foot/let and strike the ball with the side of his foot on a field goal.

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 17, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent, informative post.

I wish I had this kind of experience. I could do a post about what the marching band people are thinking at halftime, and the mechanics of a drumstick, but that would be fruitless here. Very good job, love the post. Thanks for taking the time.

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by HarvJNep2n on Sep 16, 2009 9:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Performance is all about attention to detail.

During practice you must master the fundamentals till they’re automatic and during performance you must trust your mechanics and just let it go. Working on mechanics or thinking about them during the kick in a game is futile and leads to poor execution. This post highlights one of the aspects of game performance that’s seldom explored, but is as essential as line technique, quarterback mechanics, or proper foot positioning. I’m willing to bet McD watched mechanics on film and decided Kern was not the answer after this last game. This was a highly educational post. Thank you and rec’d kentuckybronco.

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by Ponderosa on Sep 17, 2009 8:58 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Definitely.

I think of quarterback footwork, here, too. You can practice all week to have proper footwork, but when huge DEs are coming around the corner, you could still get happy feet and dance around in the pocket. Everything is different in a full speed live action game.

You are spot on.

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 17, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Detail it is

One of the things that I loved regarding the Fatsis book, A Few Seconds of Panic was that it got into the mechanics and difficulties of kicking. the modern method of kicking is both counter-intuitive and extremely demanding, physically, because it’s such and unnatural movement. Because of this, kickers are prone to repetitive motion injury and leg fatigue. The motion has to become second nature, the body has to relax through the motion and thinking will hamper the outcome. Good points, Pa’dner.

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by Doc Bear on Sep 17, 2009 11:36 AM MDT reply actions  

I couldn't agree more.

One of the most common injuries for soccer players is the hip flexor. It’s not a large muscle, but when you strain it or tear it, YOU KNOW IT. I’ve been there and done that. I’m fairly sure that humans were not created to kick things repeatedly and that muscle was not built very strong because of it. It’s definitely practiced to the point where it seems like a natural movement. Head games and concentration lapses do mess with this seemingly easy motion. It’s just like anything else, though. If you don’t concentrate or “take your eye off the ball” or whatever, it’s going to cause a mistake.

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by Troy Hufford on Sep 17, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very informative Post

Great job Kentucky. As stated above I’m amazed about what I learn on this site.

Oh I voted for Kern to stay. Maybe they can get his head on straight. Collquitt would be okay also.

by papasteven on Sep 17, 2009 3:30 PM MDT reply actions  

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