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Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations

Happy Tuesday, friends.  We're back with another edition of ST&NO, because this train can't be stopped.  Fresh off a weekend full of football, we have a lot to discuss; so read it, ponder it, and share your thoughts.

 1.  Respect.  It's almost as if a whole song could be written about it or something.  Picture Eddie Murphy's dad drunkenly hollering "R-E-C-C-C-T-P, mother-%^$er you know how to spell it."  The 2009 Denver Broncos have gotten no respect, still, after being 2-0.  There have been a tepid acknowledgment or two, but no mea culpas.

From John Clayton at ESPN:

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels is off to an impressive start -- thanks largely to a defense that appears to be much better than last year's version.

From his colleague Bill "Pork Chop" Williamson:

The defense has been a problem area for Denver in recent season. (sic) Yet, the new 3-4 system in Denver seems to be working. If the Broncos can continue to play well, they could have a decent season. So far, it’s been a good start.

Clayton, remember, thought the Broncos would win 3 games this season, that they were in disarray, and that their defense was terrible.  It's all right here and here

DIVISION FINISH: 4  Face it, the Broncos are a mess. They could be a three- or a four-win team if Kyle Orton struggles, the running game gets off to a slow start and Brandon Marshall continues to pout and be immature. To add to things, the defense that gave up 28 points a game is trying a completely new scheme. Ouch.

If you watched any Broncos preseason football, you'd draw a conclusion from all 4 games that the defense was vastly improved, right?  I mean, it didn't take a professional scout to see; it was clear as day.  And, where I am from, when something is completely broken, you throw it out, and start over.  So, I'll take a completely new scheme after giving up 28 points per game, thanks.

No word yet from Adam Schein, Jamie Dukes, or the other disrespectors from the echo chamber.

Star-divide

 

Today, I am going to hypothesize a hypothesis for y'all.  One should never claim to be an NFL expert, because nobody knows it all, or sees it all.  For the first 7 weeks of the 2008 NFL season, I watched every snap of every game played, while also working my full-time job.  I wanted to be an NFL expert, and I figured, if DirecTV is going to provide each full game in 30-minute-or-less blocks, I should watch them all.  I'd been complaining for years that football writers could, and didn't, and hell, I was going to do it.  I was also going to launch a website, attract millions of readers quickly, and make long dollars.  Well, after 7 weeks, I got really burned out from working 9-10 hours per day at my job, and then watching games and writing for 3-4 more, and I didn't really want to do it anymore.  Not too long after that, John Bena approached me about becoming a member of the staff here at MHR, and I decided to do so.  It was a good decision for me, and I still get to focus a lot on league-wide stuff, with the thought being that the Broncos don't play in a vacuum, and that everything which happens around the league ultimately affects our team.
 
The marketplace of football ideas is wide and varied, and you can usually find somebody to take any position on anything.  The internet and Twitter have made it so that anybody can contribute to this marketplace, and those ideas which have merit tend to be taken seriously, while those which don't, don't.  For my free market capitalists out there, this is the way an efficient market is supposed to work.  Consumers are free to judge the quality of the products available, and choose which ones to consume.  Quality rules.
 
Well, this is not a perfectly efficient market, but none of them really are.  While this market's barriers to entry are low, (meaning anybody can start a football blog), getting people to want to read your content is the hard part.  Those who were first to the party have a built-in advantage, the ESPN's and Sports Illustrated's.  If you've always gotten your football opinions from the Boringest Man In America, chances are you will continue to do so, unless some compelling reason to stop emerges.  
 
My view of the football ideas market is this; there are a lot of people shouting, mostly the same, or similar things, and it gets to be the aforementioned echo chamber.  The thing is, many of the echoes start from people who don't really know what they're talking about.  There are a few flavors of football commentators.
 
a.  The Classically Trained Reporter - These people generally went to journalism school, and instinctively, always revert to wanting to report the news.  These are people who cultivate sources, and build relationships with agents, players, coaches, and each other.  SOMETHING is happening, and these people are going to find out what it is, and tell everybody.  There actually doesn't tend to be a lot of writing talent among this group, and they're given to use of a lot of clichés and bad puns.  Also, there is very little real football knowledge, either.  These are the classic repeaters of information, which I reference from time-to-time.  The gathering of information is value-adding to our marketplace of ideas, but these people don't contribute much else.  If you think about it, a sports reporter is to a reporter, as a gym teacher is to a teacher.
 
b.  The Bloviator - I don't have to spell out specifically who I mean, here, right?  Every city has these guys (they're nearly all guys), and after years of paying their dues, beating the bushes for information about who the QB is dating, and what he had for breakfast,  they have graduated from being mere reporters.  They are actually worse than the reporters, because they get far away from the work of actual information gathering, and they just spew their opinions, in as obnoxious and confrontational a manner possible.  Those opinions come from 30,000 feet, and are only designed to get people arguing; they're basically agent provocateurs.  The bloviators tend to be the slightly more talented wordsmiths, coming up from the ranks of the beat writers, but that still isn't saying a whole lot.  Only the local newspapers have these guys, and they're slowly sinking with their papers.  In the era of globalization, local institutions quit mattering when they can't compete anymore.  Living in Cleveland, you see that firsthand, all the time, as you drive by idled steel plants.  These are the people who appear on Around The Horn, and the biggest problem with them is that they work for overtly journalistic enterprises, and act like quasi-journalists, but they make themselves the story.  ESPN encourages a few of their reporters to become Bloviators, but they don't go all-in with it, like the local potentate at the money-hemorrhaging newspaper.
 
c.  The Former Participant - The football ideas marketplace is full of these guys, too - former players, coaches, and executives, mostly in the televised space.  These people have something general to add, but they tend not to work hard enough to know the teams and players at a very detailed level.  They can see how a blitz unfolds, and describe it credibly in general terms, but they think that Todd Lyght is playing Left Tackle for the Patriots.  Many of these people struggle mightily with coherent communication of their thoughts, and they tend to contribute very little in the written space, with the notable exceptions being Bucky Brooks, Matt Bowen, Pat Kirwan and Michael Lombardi.

 

d.  The Radio Idiot - Radio is a really strange medium, because you have to be able to communicate entirely verbally to be successful at it.  Even in the written form, you can use diagrams, but in radio, you have to just keep talking.  It's a rare skill-set, and for the most part, it tends not to accompany great intelligence, knowledge, or command of facts.  Radio people tend to be really antisocial on a person-to-person level, and it's almost like you need to have some psychological problems to be good at radio.  I definitely couldn't be a radio personality, because I don't speak or think in short, simple, easily digestible soundbites.  (For as smart as he is, our fearless leader John Bena does a great job with MHR Radio, which works against my thinking, but no theory is perfect.)

Adam Schein is the classic Radio Idiot, and FOX actually lets him write a lousy column, in which he regurgitates what his Sirius NFL Radio guests told him during the week.  He's an "Insider," you know.  Colin Cowherd, another MHR favorite, also qualifies, though he is thankfully confined to the airwaves.

Into this landscape entered the sports blog, and they're growing and getting better all over the place.  At MHR, we're really lucky to have a tremendous amount of talent and dedication in the community, making the this site a living, self-sustaining thing.  With every game, and every post, MHR asserts itself more and more as the preeminent source of Broncos information, discussion, and commentary. 

As the marketplace of ideas becomes more and more efficient, our position will continue to strengthen, because quality rules.  All members are stakeholders.  If you're a frequent contributor, keep up the great work.  If you comment once in a while, consider writing a FanPost.  If you're a lurker, sign up and join the conversation.  And if you have friends who are Broncos fans, encourage them to check us out, even if they start out as lurkers.

As a community, we'll continue to be all over all things Broncos, together, because we all have a stake in the output.  And, eventually, we'll defeat the echo chamber, even if they never admit to completely misjudging this team, due to a lack of inclination to putting any effort into understanding it.  Who could have seen this coming?  We saw this coming, that's who.

I will finish this diatribe by sharing my approach to being knowledgeable, which I am sure is similar to the approach many of you take.  Step one is to pay attention to everything at a high level, and wonder about something.  Step two is to investigate that specific item I wondered about.  Step three is to consider and evaluate the findings, and what they mean in the larger context of my existing understanding.  I never trust what anybody says, and if I am going to repeat/agree with something smart that I heard somebody say, I attribute the thought to them.  Pretty straightforward, right?  This is not what is largely going on, though, throughout the media landscape, sports and otherwise.  It's a lot easier to repeat some idiot/blowhard's words when they confirm your own assumptions and leanings, than it is to work, and figure out the right answer.  That's not what we do here at MHR, and I am personally proud of that.

2.  Information from my eyes on the Broncos game: (From the live broadcast only, as I was unable to watch a second time yet).

a.  It was great having Chris Kuper back.  He's very underrated and reliable at RG, and the group played much better with him in there.   

b.  Casey Wiegmann had a pretty tough time with Shaun Rogers, which isn't really a major indictment of him, but it's a fact.  Rogers is a great player, and got a lot of penetration Sunday, making him Cleveland's lone bright spot, on either side of the ball.

c.  I wouldn't trade Alphonso Smith for any other nickel CB in the NFL.  His skill-set is tremendous for that role, and it won't be long before he is taking an interception back for 6 points.

d.  I feel a little bad for Matt Prater, because the gusting wind really got a hold of those two missed Field Goals.  I think the criticism he is taking is a little bit unwarranted, at least for the moment.  He needs to be making his kicks, but 40-mph gusts can move anybody's ball.  I was pleased with his kickoff work on Sunday, which was really important, too.

e.  How nice is it to have coverage teams that can tackle a return man?  Josh Cribbs is as good as it gets in the return game, and the Broncos did a fantastic job of containing him.

f.  I would still like to see more of Peyton Hillis with the ball in his hands, on offense.  The only time he got it, he scored, but he has a lot to add in the passing and running games.

g.  Nobody has mentioned this yet, that I have seen, but Tony Scheffler has grown into a very good blocker.  In the second half, particularly, I made a note that the Broncos were motioning him into position to seal the edge of running plays, and he was hitting his man hard, and maintaining his blocks.  That 3-TE package (Scheffler, Daniel Graham and Richard Quinn), which we saw a lot of in the second half, was knocking some heads in the running game.  The local Cleveland media says that the Browns defense collapsed in the second half, but really, the Broncos started dominating up front in the second half.

h.  Knowshon Moreno seems to be a pretty quick study, huh?  I think Bobby Turner spent a good amount of time last week "encouraging" him to take one cut and go.

i.  I wrote this on Twitter Sunday (@TedBartlett905) but it bears repeating. 

Really good things happen when Brian Dawkins blitzes. He made the play, and Dumervil gets the stat.

Elvis Dumervil's first sack was actually caused by Dawkins blitzing, and jumping high into the air in Brady Quinn's throwing lane, which he frequently does.  Quinn couldn't throw it, turned to his left, and met Dumervil for the first time.

j.  Interesting stuff from Eric Mangini, via Steve Beuerlein, the color analyst for the game.  Paraphrasing, he said that he considered it futile to have a good pass rusher try to beat Ryan Clady, because it was practically impossible to do.  We all know Ryan is the best offensive lineman in the NFL, because we pay attention to such things.

Len Pasquarelli, not so much:

Young tackles thriving

Surprisingly, given its perceived difficulty, the position that has produced the most opening-day rookie starters over the past two seasons is offensive tackle, with 11. Even more surprising is that seven of the 11 are left tackles, a position that is among the most difficult to fill and is regarded as the most critical spot on the offense line. There were six rookie opening-day starters at tackle in 2008, and there are five this year, all of whom were selected in the first or second round. Arguably the best of the lot might be Ryan Clady of Denver, a 2008 first-rounder from Boise State who started all 16 games as a rookie. Some pro scouts already rate the relatively unknown Clady among the NFL's top 5 tackles and say he has made more progress than Jake Long of Miami, the top overall pick in 2008.

OK, this is not a news flash, that Clady is good.  I want to talk to the pro scouts who don't rate him among the top 5 at that position, but I doubt there are any, unless there are some unqualified people in that role.  This is what I mean about repeating information.  When you talk to 3 pro scouts, and they all tell you Clady is great, you come to "some pro scouts."

As for Jake Long, he is what he is.  He's athletically limited, but a solid player who is very valuable in the running game.  Against elite pass rushers, he'll always struggle.  I watched Dwight Freeney dominate him in the first half Monday night, bull rushing him to the ground several times.

3.  Information from my eyes from other games:

.a.  The main game I watched in the 1 ET slot was New England against the Jets.  Guru's wife and other Patriots fans ought to be pretty alarmed by the Patriots' inability to protect Tom Brady with any consistency, for the second week in a row.  It really limits their offense, by wrecking their timing, and I saw Brady looking really frustrated on Sunday.

I was all over picking this game correctly, because I was certain that the Patriots couldn't block the Jets' pressure packages.  They are going to need to re-evaluate their protection schemes, and max-protect more often, because what they are doing simply isn't working.

b.  Scheme is really important, and can add as much as value as talent, as we've seen from Mike Nolan this season.  Rex Ryan's scheme is just outstanding for the Jets, and he gets a lot of pressure from the design alone.  It's worth noting that they're doing this without their best pass rusher, Calvin Pace, who is still suspended for two more games.

c.  Darrelle Revis is a fantastic player, much better than the football-watching world knows him to be.  His game has no weaknesses, and he shut down Randy Moss on Sunday, which is obviously no small thing.  He and Lito Sheppard, who is very good on the other side, allow the Jets to blitz so often without worrying too much.

d.  I caught a great deal of the Texans-Titans game, too.  The biggest impression I took from that game was that the Titans defense is really underachieving this season, especially in coverage.  I like Matt Schaub, but he and the Texans shouldn't be slicing up Tennessee like that, especially missing a starting WR (Kevin Walter) and with Steve Slaton continuing to struggle a bit.  With the Titans' record at 0-2 now, you have to wonder how long it takes for new Defensive Coordinator Chuck Cecil to come under a lot of fire.

e.  From Chris Mortensen on Twitter Monday Night:

Packers have me very confused but 1 thing is clear after 2 games - their O-line is a much bigger weakness than they anticipated.

If they hadn't anticipated it would be a problem, then their anticipators are a problem, too.  If Mort means it's a bigger weakness than HE anticipated, okay.  He's more or less a repeater of information, and if nobody told him, he probably wouldn't know.

I have been ripping the Packers O-line for two years now, and I beat them up for taking B.J. Raji instead of Michael Oher.  It was obvious that the Chad Clifton-Mark Tauscher combination at Tackle was terrible last season, and it's even more clear that Clifton and Allen Barbre are even worse.  Clifton got hurt on Sunday, and was replaced by Daryn Colledge, who needs to stick to being an average Guard.

f.  What in the world has gotten into Antwan Odom?  After two sacks last week against the Broncos, he got five against the Packers.  This is a guy who has had a thoroughly average career so far, so it's a little surprising to see this burst of production all of a sudden.  He looks bigger and quicker than in the past, so it will bear watching whether he can keep it up.

g.  I picked the Lions to beat Minnesota this week, and I admittedly missed on that one.  I felt pretty good when the Lions got out to an early lead, though.  I think the Vikings are going to really disappoint this season.  Brett Favre hasn't looked very good to me in the first two weeks, and hasn't thrown the ball downfield.  Going 23-for-27 is good, but 155 yards?  That's really un-Favre-like.  If I were an opposing defensive coordinator, with two games of film now, I'd be having my corners sit on every short route, and force the guy to beat me deep.  I never thought I'd say that about Favre, but I am.

h.  Michael Huff seems like he may finally be putting it all together.  He has now caused turnovers in each of the Raiders' first two games.  He looks much more sure of himself in play diagnosis than in past years.  Maybe he is just a late bloomer, but there was some speculation he could be cut in camp this year, if he didn't improve a lot.

i.  I have been pretty complimentary of JaMarcus Russell lately, but he played terribly on Sunday, until the final game-winning series.  That throw he made on 3rd and 15 is the reason you live with his growing pains.  The Raiders could help him out by giving him some higher-percentage options to throw to, but he needs to make plays, too.

j.  Really nice throw by Matt Cassel and catch by Dwayne Bowe to give the Chiefs the lead against the Raiders.  The Chiefs really dominated the game on offense, but made a lot of mistakes to keep the game close.  They held the ball for 38 minutes and 39 seconds, which really goes to illustrate the sometimes-deceiving nature of the time-of-possession statistic.

k.  The Eagles missed Donovan McNabb, obviously, but I was a little surprised that they didn't do better on defense.  That was a Philly Steamer their defense laid.  Incidentally, it didn't help my fantasy team much, in the official MHR League, this week, either. 

l.  Mario Manningham is really starting to emerge as the best WR for the Giants, and he had a huge game Sunday night against the Cowboys.  He ran a slower-than-expected 40 coming out of college, and had some maturity questions, but the guy was a big-time player at Michigan.  For a team with a lot of 3rd-WR types, the Giants desperately need somebody to emerge, and it looks like Manningham can be that guy.  We'll have to see what happens when teams get some film on him, but for now he is carrying it well.

m.  The Cowboys are not a legitimate contender this season.  Their defense is very suspect, particularly against the pass, and their only legitimate pass rusher is DeMarcus Ware, at this point.  I've never seen anything from Anthony Spencer, either in college or the pros, to convince me that he is the answer on the other side.  They had Greg Ellis, and really erred in letting him get away.  If you can't cover, and the 'Boys can't, you'd better be getting to the QB.  Most teams, other than the Broncos, can't handle Ware one-on-one, but if you double him, you'll almost certainly have time to throw the ball.

n.  Felix Jones is downright scary for the Cowboys.  They pretty much struck out on Mike Jenkins in the first round in 2008, but hit a home run with Jones.  I guess one-for-two isn't that bad, all things considered.

o.  Some fool took me to task on YouTube when I did the pilot program for Lighting Up The Scoreboard.  Apparently, I should have known that "Kevin Payne is really, really good."  Well, this week he got benched in favor of Danieal Manning, and when he did play, he took a really bad angle on Rashard Mendenhall's 39-yard run, which set up a Ben Roethlisberger TD run.  Really, really good, indeed.

p.  Jay Cutler had a good game for the Bears, and didn't throw the ball to the other team, keeping them in it long enough to benefit from a missed Steelers FG.  I think everybody had that impression, and I don't personally care what he does, like the ex-girlfriend I compared him with a few weeks ago.  I think some people have me pegged as an Always-Rip-Cutler guy, though, and I am not.  I am actually pretty indifferent, and I don't miss him.  When he plays well, I will say that he played well.

q.  Matt Forte is another story, entirely.  The Bears offensive line isn't very good, but Forte really didn't show much individually on Sunday.  My brother texted me recently asking me if I'd take Michael Turner, Forte, or Maurice Jones-Drew second overall in a fantasy draft.  I told him Turner, but Forte would be last choice of the three.  Cutler's arm has a way of seducing play-callers into wanting to use it all the time (we sure know this), and he's nowhere near as apt to check down as Kyle Orton was/is.

r.  Circling back to the Green Bay-Cincinnati game, Cedric Benson is extremely talented, and he looks like he is finally coming into his own.  He got a reputation for being soft at Chicago, but his teammates never liked him personally, as he displaced locker-room favorite Thomas Jones.  Benson is in the top 5 in the NFL, in terms of pure talent at the RB position, and the Bengals really made a good move to bring him to town, and then to re-sign him pretty cheaply in the offseason (2 years, $7 Million).

s.  Every week, my glowing reviews of Joe Flacco just look better and better.  I got ripped for that a bit, but I knew and continue to know that I was right.

t.   The Chargers are in big, big trouble on defense.  Losing Jamal Williams was just a killer, even if his play had sharply declined in the last two seasons.  The Chargers aren't pressuring anybody, and without Williams, they aren't terribly stout against the run anymore, either.  Alfonso Boone isn't the answer, in case anybody was wondering.  San Diego can score with anybody, and they're going to need to. 

u.  You know who looks like a really good young player?  Sean Smith for the Dolphins.  Yeah, I was all over that one before the Draft.  The Broncos value ball skills over size at CB, which is why they preferred Alphonso Smith over any CB in the Draft, but I have love for a tall, fluid guy who can play press coverage.  He had Reggie Wayne blanketed on that deep throw near the end of the first half which Gibril Wilson intercepted off of Smith's tip, which seems to have been overturned.  (I left the bar I was at right after that play.)  Anyway, Wayne was targeted 6 times, catching 3 passes for 37 yards.  That's really good work from the RCB position for the Dolphins.

4.  I had a power outage at home on Monday night, and it precluded me from watching any of the DVR'd games I was going to watch, making my other games analysis a little lighter than I wanted.  I will run Between The Lines Tuesday night as a FanPost, since it's not able to be included in this edition.

I am writing from the library, since I have no power, and it's closing soon, as I write this.  If my power has come back when I get home, I will write more.  If not, look for at least Between The Lines Tuesday night.  Have a great week.

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Clayon on Mike and Mike about 20 minutes ago

Im paraphrasing “The Browns are off to a rough start. They even lost to the broncos on the road which really hurts” That is not exactly what he said but its close

HILLIS

by robbo650 on Sep 22, 2009 7:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Clayton is Painful

Even if they aren’t talking football he has to diss the Broncos.

When you can do the common things in life in a uncommon way, you will command the attention of the world.
- George Washington Carver

by Kfustud on Sep 22, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jamie Dukes actually picked the Broncos over the Browns this week

and I believe he cited the defense, if memory serves. I just about fell off my sofa.

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 22, 2009 7:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Way to brighten up my Tuesday, TB!

Regarding Sheffler’s blocking skills, I too was very impressed.

He seems to have made a significant effort in the offseason to become more of an all-around TE, and it really shows when they run out of their heavy sets. Did you notice that when Jordan came in late in the game, they ran the same kind of motion using Sheffler to seal the left edge, and if Jordan would have bounced it outside, the gain would have been huge. Instead, LJ ran into the back of the Hamilton (I think) for a gain of one or two. Anyway, I believe that was the same sort of play that broke KM loose on one of his big runs.

After reading HT’s very informative post regarding the TE position and the 3TE look, it warms my heart to see a guy like Sheff doing well in those situations. If Quinn starts to show some more promise as a pass-catcher, we could be sitting pretty with this group.

Lots of flexibility in run and pass situations, and mismatches galore!

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I don’t like quarterbacks. - DOOM

by jubei on Sep 22, 2009 8:06 AM MDT reply actions  

Scheffler Blocking

Did you see on BMarsh’s end around that Scheffler blocked two guys? It was great.

Also loved the call by McDaniels to split out and isolate Scheffler on the goal-line against a LB. He’ll win that battle every time.

by gras on Sep 22, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man TB promise me you'll never get married and have a family!

I have no idea how you’d possibly be able to crank out this incredible column every week with any sort of familial obligations! lol

Stunning stuff, man — you’re off to a helluva start this season. Writing from the library because of a power outage? I’ve encountered passionate writers before, but you are putting them to shame, amigo. Great job.

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 22, 2009 8:09 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

agreed

good points. the aaron rodgers comment is so obvious, but for some reason still made me laugh. Good points McG.

by jayhawk bronco on Sep 22, 2009 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I gotta say,

I totally agree with you on the strength of schedule wth the exception of the NFC North, I don’ t think it is that strong, but there is certianly potential for them to be. The AFC North so far looks to be quite average at best. Pitt and Balt both appear to have glaring faults at this point which could cost them down the road.

by bchiper on Sep 22, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Browns worst?

I gotta respond……I think its a bad call. Two rough losses surely, but lots of football still left.

There are teams with less talent…..STL, KC
And worse coaching…..TB, OAK
Or teams with bigger identity problems coming from last year….DET, CAR (I think this is CLE’s problem right now)

They have two good halves of football against (what I consider) two very good teams. They can’t finish and their offense is struggling b/c Daboli is in his first year. I got more faith in Mangenius and all his ex-Pats coaches…… I am very confident they will be right around 8-8 at the end of the year….possibly in the playoff picture.

by BideshiBronco on Sep 22, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Browns look miserable on the field and I read that they are miserable in the locker room. Those guys are not going to play hard for Mangenius.

They’ve scored one offensive TD since early November of 2008. They are just awful all around. I don’t see them picking up even one win vs their divisional opponents. Maybe they beat KC or the Raiders, but I think the Browns are lock to draft in the Top 5 (then trade down so another team can take a Sanchez type while the Browns can draft a center that can’t even execute a shot gun snap).

That trade paid more dividends to Denver than Cleveland.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Sep 22, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Browns

Maybe it’s that my son likes them, but I don’t think they are “awful”. Their secondary is at least pretty good. They shut down the run for a half, even on Adrian Peterson. And it’s awful hard to talk up the Vikings as being so powerful while calling Cleveland terrible. So, the Vikings have been losing at the half to the awful Browns and the terrible Lions, and yet they are a major force, but we beat better teams and we shouldn’t get too excited? It’s almost MSM type reasoning. I think less can be said about the Vikings than Broncos based on the games so far. At least we shut down supposedly bad teams (one of these bad teams went on to tack 31 points on the awesome Green Bay defense).

by NDbronco on Sep 22, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe they looked miserable because of the altitude.

Ha.

But I don’t 100% agree or 100% disagree either. I don’t think the Browns are the worst. I think that award goes to the Lions. But top 3 worst? Yeah, you’re right.

But I do think we beat an underrated Cincy squad.

Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?

by ChristianL on Sep 22, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

How long until Shaun Rogers demands a trade?

I’m sure the Chargers would be interested with Jamal out for the year.

by Leukadian on Sep 22, 2009 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

They don’t have the cap space.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Sep 22, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

the problem with what you are saying......

is that it is what the MSM says…..I haven’t heard any negative details about their locker room. Only MSM ditties about how it must be bad b/c Mangini fines people and makes them do long bus trips……never heard one word. In fact, I read a lot less negative team/org stuff on the Browns than I did last year with Crennel.

Thx for regurgitating the MSM mantra….oh yeah, I like Mack and think he will be a stud.

Will wait for some objective insight with real details about why they will continue to be bad…..which, by the way, could easily be found

by BideshiBronco on Sep 23, 2009 5:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Lot of stuff there McG

And I agree wiht all of it. Chicago cnt run because of their line play and they arent going to get he time to go downfield against the better DLs in the league. No Super bowl for them this year despite Cutler even at his best.

Same for Green bay. Preseason domination was smoke and mirrors against vanilla defenses. Minnesota is looking better and better to take that divison.

After Sunday I think its time peopel started to look at McDaniels on his own merits and forget this rediculous comparison to any other former NE spin off coach. He had all of Mangini’s number Sunday.

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by AlanC11 on Sep 22, 2009 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1
Thinking outside the box, maybe he is best suited to be a rebounding small forward for Golden St Warriors. He’s got the butt for it.

Now that is funny.

I agree on the GB O-line. Those boys are going to get Rodgers killed if they continue like this. To make matters worse, their is zero quality depth behind Tauscher and Clifton.

I also agree that the Denver teams of the past few years would have struggled mightily against lesser teams. That was a constant for Shanahan & Co (remember the 44-7 ass-whuppin’ at the hands of the Lions?!?!). Good teams beat the teams they’re supposed to beat, and compete with the ones they aren’t.

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by jubei on Sep 22, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

agree about Rogers

which is such a shame because I really like him; I had hopes they would take their division this year, but I have doubts with that poor protection.

LOL @ The Hutt. Seriously…he’s comically bad.

by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 22, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mostly agree

Except for calling the Browns Ted’s team. They aren’t and he’s said this.

by Gorbal on Sep 22, 2009 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

I know. But he lives there and has talked about them often so I jest in good fun.

I don’t think he even likes the 2nd coming of the Browns.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Sep 22, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

That was a Rec worthy rant, McGeorge. LOL

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by KaptainKirk on Sep 22, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think it's funny that you pick the NFC north as your alternative to an overrated division

I agree that the NFC east is the most overrated division in football, but I’d slot the NFC north as #2.

Mike Nolan is my hero.

by jack_ on Sep 22, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I second this..

what’s so good about the NFC North? GB lost to the Bengals, that as of last week must be terrible cuz they lost to the Broncos, Minnesota has had its hands full with Cleveland and Detroit, Chicago has a terrible QB, and Detroit goes without saying.

by NDbronco on Sep 22, 2009 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

The NFC North is “decent”. IMO, Chicago (good D/special teams and QB), Green Bay (great QB/WRs and secondary) and Minnesota (great RBs and D-line) could beat any team in the NFL if they were playing well. They also have major flaws (O-line for Chicago and Green Bay) and QB and coaching for Minnesota.

Cincy looks like an 8-8 team to me. Not bad, not good. (Palmer is not the player he used to be, but their D is impressive).
Cleveland is bottom five in the NFL. They are just terrible.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Sep 22, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

seems about right to me

If Cincy can protect Palmer, I think they could be a very decent ball club (10-6)… but in general I think you’re about right.

Pitt and Balt are both some of the most “complete” teams in the NFL, making the AFC-C one of the more difficult divisions. That said, both have significant issues carrying over form last year or emerging this year which make them beatable any given week. Pitt still hasn’t fixed its oline, which is potentially okay only because Big Ben makes such plays in the pocket. Balt seems to be struggling a little bit on DEF, biut you look at the players there and you have to think that its more likely a blip than a long-term decline… and struggling for them means slightlyu below average, vs. absiolutely dominant…

I don’t see any completely dominant teams this year, which means that it should be a great year for competitive football league-wide.

by cjfarls on Sep 23, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice posy McG....Agree totally on strength of schedule.

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by boydy2669 on Sep 22, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

disagree with some of your KC thoughts

I too dislike Cassel and am glad he’s not a bronco. I believe it was stupid to sign him longterm. But I don’t think a team can ever go wrong drafting a great OT.

I don’t think I need to tell MHR the value of OT’s…you yourself commented about their value in the next paragraph about GB.

by trumanj on Sep 22, 2009 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

As Long as he is Great

lets us not forget George Foster.

Still an OT is a fairly safe bet in an unsafe environment.

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by Kfustud on Sep 23, 2009 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

true

Stupid Foster

I guess my point is I’d never be angry with the Broncos for selecting an OT even if they selected him over a possible Elway or Manning. I think KC fans would probably agree, when Priest was running the ball they had a great line and unfortunately KC didn’t plan well enough to replace them…

by trumanj on Sep 23, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gotta disagree with the NFC East remarks and some

Washington? We’ll see. Dallas & the Giants VERY tough! Philly? We’ll see but I’d have to pick them over us with a healthy McNabb.

San Diego over-hyped? What, everyone should have predicted all their injuries? I’d still have to say they’d be legitimately favored vs us as well.

The Vikings? I reckon they’re ranked high due to their record last year and the addition of Favre. Their stock is rising due to the falling stock of Green Bay & Chicago. (even tho Chicago pulled out a nice win Sunday)

Cassel? One game in and you’ve labeled him a bust?

I generally agree with you… did someone in your office find you logged in already and type their own thoughts? You must remember to log out when you go for coffee.

by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 22, 2009 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Strength of schedual

Frankly, I figured our first three games were the easiest on the schedule. Also in the AFC North is Pitt (the SB champions) and the Ravens (the only competition the Steelers have in the AFC North). I still think the worst is to come, but I also think Denver looks better than many folks would have thought.

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by Steve Nichols on Sep 23, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man did I love that Eddie Murphy flashback.

Cleveland…. You dropped your ice cream and you’re on welfare…

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Sep 22, 2009 8:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Shefter just gave up the love for the Broncos

calling them the most surprising 2-0 team. props to the D.

by prototype on Sep 22, 2009 8:40 AM MDT reply actions  

Anyone who thinks 2-0 is surprising just wasn’t paying attention in the offseason, thats how I felt when he said that.

by GreasyQtip on Sep 22, 2009 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

I am not a Kool-Aid guy, though I appreciate those who are. I think 8-8 or 9-7 is realistic, 10-6, I’d be pumped. But I thought if they don’t start out 3-0, it’d be near disaster. They have to win the games they should.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on Sep 22, 2009 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

exactly!!

Let’s be happy. Let’s also be realistic.

by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 22, 2009 8:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

you know what's really disappointing?

One of those quizzes asked what was more surprising (Niners 2-0, Broncos 2-0, Titans 0-2) and it breaks down the votes by state. The Broncos option was the favorite to Colorado quiz-takers.

Seriously? You are honestly shocked that your own team beat the Browns at home? I guess the ‘Broncos-will-be-last-in-the-division’ mantra was spread so assuredly by the ‘experts’ that even the casual fans believed it…and are shocked when it isn’t so.

by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 22, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

You might be overanalyzing those results

More likely it’s a lot of Broncos fans quickly scanning the poll and then going “I’m gonna vote for the Broncos!” without really thinking too deeply about it. Maybe some of them are indeed surprised but I doubt that’s the case with many of them. Probably a reflex vote. ;-)

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by underdog on Sep 22, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Denver post

ran a poll of what was most surprising. I forget the options of which I didn’t think anything was surprising except that 80% of the pollers answered a 2-0 start.

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by 3nS on Sep 22, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

no, i think most people thought the most surprised was the performance of the D, not that we were 2-0

by lolcopter on Sep 22, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

yep, that's me. Expected to go 2-1 or even 3-0

Did NOT expect to look so good on defense!!
I’ll stick with my 9-7 or worse prediction but am prepared to be wrong more than ever…

by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 22, 2009 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

TB, regarding the Indy game

From what I saw, it appeared to me that they gave Wayne a lot of double team coverage with Smith the entire game. Smith is a good CB, I agree. I think, however, the safety was over there quite a bit last night.

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by TJ Johnson on Sep 22, 2009 8:57 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't blame them either

I do blame them for virtually ignoring Dallas Clark. Covering him with your strong safety just wasn’t the right choice, and after you get burned for eighty yards on the first play you would think you might try something different against him. The Colts are all about Manning—and what are his weapons right now? Wayne and Clark and a bunch of guys who need to earn their stripes. Yes, I’ll double Wayne, and I’ll bring in a CB to cover Clark (and think about doubling him too, especially on the game losing drive) unless Indy can show me they can run the ball.

by poorboywilly on Sep 22, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks a lot and great job

I havent seen it posted here yet, but it seem like our running game really got going with BMarsh in the game. It seemed like the browns were more concerned with him than us running the ball. any thoughts

live and die blue and orange

by jerry251 on Sep 22, 2009 9:15 AM MDT reply actions  

Bmarsh and the run game

This is the biggest thing I think B-marsh brings to the team.

1) He’s a big physical blocker
2) He’s so big and strong, that the opposing team can’t play press covereage without safety help over the top, because he’s likely to blow up the CB and have a free ride to the end zone… this means either they have to back the CB off the line (opening up sweeps, etc.), or pull a safety out of the box to provide help over top.

I love Eddie, but he doesn’t dictate scheme the same way Bmarsh does, simply because he’s not the same physical freak Bmarsh is… even if I think Eddie can be a better pure receiver than bmarsh due to his great hands and agility.

by cjfarls on Sep 23, 2009 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Respect

is a wonderful thing NOT to have if you’re the Broncos. Ben Maller of Fox Sports called Denver, “the worst 2-0 team in the NFL.” It reminds me of a reporter once asking former KC Royals shortstop Freddie Patek, “How does it feel being the smallest man in the major leagues?” His response? “A damn site better that being the biggest man in the minors!” My hope is that Denver goes all the way to the Super Bowl with all the experts screaming there’s no way they can win it!

by 42n81 on Sep 22, 2009 9:16 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Looking forward to being the worst 3-0 team...

And THEN the worst 4-0 team…

And then the worst 13-3 team!

by Velveeta on Sep 22, 2009 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tennessee was the worst 13-3 team. San Diego, the worst 14-2 team.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Sep 22, 2009 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

New England the worst 18-1 Team

Yeah Giants! I’ll never forget that. A great day in the NFL.

Not all change is good, just as not all movement is forward.

by Trogdoor on Sep 22, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

burning the burninator

It was fun watching that, though I think ElI is an overrated QB.

by D-fence on Sep 22, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

And David Tyree was cut.....

:::Tear::::

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"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Sep 23, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

San Diego

Is an 8-8 team this season, too.

With all that talent how can they lose?

Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?

by ChristianL on Sep 22, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

the same way they have for the past few seasons. where there’s a norv turner, there’s a way to lose

by lolcopter on Sep 22, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't believe you missed last nights game...

It was like you drew up the ending to this game to explain your point about clock management. The colts went down field in 36 seconds with 3min 30 seconds on the clock! I was very critical of this even though the announcers loved it. Then the Dolphins take dear sweet time to go down field and get together and huddle and ran the ball many times. I was loving it, but Jaws was hating it he just ripped into them saying it was the worst two minute drill he had ever seen, and the fans are right for booing, and if they hadn’t had some dropped balls they would have gotten the TD and even though they didnt execute it perfectly, how anyone could think the Colts time management was better is crazy, they took 3 seconds per play going down the sidelines, they just happen to be a better offense.

Now lets team that up with your lengthy rant on NFL experts today and I am glad I read your articles so I am not that guy. I also notice that only some coaches really understand this concept to, you can see when Spoarano and McDaniels were doing it at the “slow” pace it was almost reactionary for the announcers to say they are taking to long, just cause thats the way it has been done for years, but the young smart guys don;t buy into the old school ways.

by GreasyQtip on Sep 22, 2009 9:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Manning was spectacular in the 4th quarter

…but Indy looks eminently beatable.

Having said that, Brown looked really good running the ball.

by JeffG on Sep 22, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I caught part of it at a bar, after the library, but got hopeful I'd have power when I went home

No such luck :(

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 22, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

GQT was right, Ted

The last couple of drives almost illustrated your point 1000%. Manning scored too quickly, the Colts’ D wasn’t able to completely shut down Miami all night (they did ok, but Miami had a HUGE edge in TOP), and the Fish almost drove down and scored with little or no time left. They did botch it a bit right at the end, and couldn’t get it in the EZ. I’d take that kind of win, though, even if the national media panned McDaniels on his clock management — we’d have the win, and they’d have some smoke to chew on. Win/win! :)

by BroncosBassist on Sep 22, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

you worded how i felt even better, and with less words.

by GreasyQtip on Sep 22, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

disagree

the Dolphins are not a quick score team. At the end of the game, they dearly needed the minute or so they wasted before the two-minute warning. Their clock management was terrible.

by Leukadian on Sep 22, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think they could have had 1 maybe 2 more plays, they lost track of time right before the 2 minute warning, but a ball went right through the receivers hands in the end zone… So I can;t imagine they needed more time to get there. Again maybe 1 or 2 more but people think their management was terrible, the Colts clock management was what was terrible. They needed to give their D a rest anyway.

by GreasyQtip on Sep 22, 2009 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

sorry, I agree with Jaws

terrible clock management by Miami. They should have had more shots into the endzone than they did. Just the time it took them to call their time-outs alone was ridiculous & cost them what? 30-40 seconds? Very poor.

by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 22, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great read

Just two questions:

Did Odom get his sacks against Harris?

Also, you mentioned Orton being more apt to check downs than Cutler. Did you realize that’s exactly what Jay did the entire game? He took exactly what the Steelers gave him.

Forte- he’ll rebound in a big way, because the Bears schedule becomes very favorable the rest of the way. In addition, three new starters on the line takes a little time to gel. I do agree that he hasn’t really shown much elusiveness yet.

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by propheteer on Sep 22, 2009 9:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Odom got one on Harris, which wasn't Harris' fault

He got another when Hochstein was supposed to have him.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 22, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

actually

the first one, while Hochstein did block his man into Harris, which knocked Harris over and allowed his man to get to Orton, Harris’ man was not Odom. It wasn’t until Orton stepped up to avoid Harris’ man that Odom came off Hamilton’s block and sacked him.

FWIW, just about every pocket collapse I saw in that game was somehow linked to Hochstein. Not saying he was terrible, just not as good as we are used to and certainly not on the same level with the other starters as Kuper is. I’m really glad he is back.

by poorboywilly on Sep 22, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

The second one

was on Hochstein as Ted says, Odom swam past Hochstein while performing a twist with a linebacker…IMO Hochstein should have passed Odom off to Weigmann and gone after the linebacker, instead it looks like Weigs was looking for this exact thing from Hochstein but instead is forced to work around Hochstein to try for the linebacker and they end up both getting through. Successful stunt, but definitely a breakdown in line communication, which again I have to think that Kuper and Weigs would have been on the same page there.

by poorboywilly on Sep 22, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hochstein was pretty terrible in week 1. I hope we see Olsen next time.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Sep 22, 2009 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have to admit though

I smiled when they lined Hochstein in as a FB for the Hillis TD. I remember thinking, “Ah, so that’s why they wanted him — versatility.” Of course, versatility implies that you’re actually good at more than one thing. ; )

I’ll give him a little more time in our system before judging him too harshly, though.

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 22, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

True

I did as well, but then again I remember K-Lich doing this too. Whatever, all the better if the line stays healthy and he can sit back and be a jumbo fullback.

by poorboywilly on Sep 22, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

any player that lines up

just to give Hillis a chance to take the rock home is a-ok in my book. :-)

by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 22, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Might not have been much better with Olsen

I think the problem is that the newer guys haven’t gelled with the vets yet. OL is a place where knowing your assignment and your neighbor is critical to success. Russ came in cold, after only being on the roster for, what, less than a month? Kuper is better, yes, but I think Hochstein will improve a bit. Olsen will develop into an eventual starter, I think.

by BroncosBassist on Sep 22, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

I’m giving him the benefit of the down “gel-wise”…for now.

by poorboywilly on Sep 22, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

we're not gonna get any respect

until we beat dallas or another good team. our defense is amazing now and i honestly think we can at least be a top 10 defense. So i’m really looking forward to the 5 games after oakland when we play dallas, new england, san diego, baltimore, and pittsburgh.

thank god theres a bye week in between cause thats a tough schedule (even if those teams are underachieving)

by march20 on Sep 22, 2009 9:26 AM MDT reply actions  

thx....enjoyed

I enjoy reading your stuff b/c I think you have good judgment. I imagine that comes from understanding the “essentials” or the things that matter the most when it comes to football. This is what I think most of the different commentators you mention lack. I don’t think a commentator needs more time watching games or more facts. Just a few facts and a game or too……based on one’s judgment you can understand a team and what its all about. It must be the financial analyst in you that requires more facts…..in football, sometimes I think more watching and facts leads to weaker judgment.

REF your insight into the potential of the blogosphere, I recommend that someone starts a documentary on the Broncos of 2009. I really believe this could be a Super special team. No, not because they beat CLE and CIN, but b/c they have had way too many things fall into place (not even including the CIN game)…..right coaches, right players, right MSM scrutiny (this is gonna pay dividends when we starting getting recognition). I think someone should start requesting interviews with these yahoo reporters about their comments….get ‘em on tape explaining their comments. Then, show the world what the MHR bloggers were saying……..show ’em what simple fans saw. I think a documentary is a good way to chip away at SI & ESPN’s market share…..you just gotta hit the right topic….after all, its way too easy nowadays to find a topic the MSM is showing its arse on.

Thx again!

by BideshiBronco on Sep 22, 2009 9:40 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Ted, you don't know how much I look forward to your ST&NO each week . . .

The biggest disappointment, in fact, was seeing that this issue was cut short.

There have been a whole lot of mouths shut this year, including those belonging to Moreno- and A. Smith-bashers.

We’ll have to see how the Broncos do against Oakland this week and Dallas next, but with the Chargers’ defensive malaise, it’s looking more and more as if the Broncos may have a chance to contend for the Division . . .

BTW, “Pork Chop”? I thought it was “Burger Bill.”

BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Sep 22, 2009 9:43 AM MDT reply actions  

Burger Bill is pretty slick

but Pork Chop is pretty universal at MHR, and everybody knows who is meant. Kwool79 coined the name for him. I only used his full name, because ST&NO is starting to pull in some non Broncos fans here and there, who may not know him.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 22, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I read this like I read Peter Kings MMQB.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Ted

Especially for the heads up on what to look for during the Browns game. It made my viewing experience better. With the efforts of you and HT,…and others here at MHR, I am recognizing more about the game. I like the strategy in football and being able to see clearer the matching of wits between coaches is a treat. Keep up the good work.

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by KaptainKirk on Sep 22, 2009 9:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Did Williamson really write

“If the Broncos can continue to play well, they could have a decent season”?

If so, I’m ready to turn pro as a football analyst. To wit: “If the Broncos can continue to outscore their opponents,, they are going to win a lot of those games.”

You’re welcome. I prefer my pay in Sun Chips.

by JeffG on Sep 22, 2009 9:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Isn't he an idiot?

He actually wrote that. Decent is his favorite word, I think. A few weeks ago, the Broncos could be “decent in coverage” if the secondary played well.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 22, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, Tubbs has a favorite word, but that word is “really”. He used the word “really” four times in one sentence when describing San Diego’s talent on offense.

He also cut-n-paste a Horse Tracks verbatim back in June. “really” word for word.

Love the Broncos. Mike Nolan is a genius.

by McGeorge on Sep 22, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

He also wrote

something to the effect that the Brocnos could exceed expectations if they do better than expected, or close to that. Someone did a Fanshot here on MHR on that a couple weeks ago.

A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.

Louis L’Amour

by bradley on Sep 22, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder what kind of season we will have if we don’t continue to play well… He forgot to specify.

by GreasyQtip on Sep 22, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Indecent, one would guess :)

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 22, 2009 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

But when Madden

or Yogi Berra or Casey Stengel made statements like that, it was at least funny, and more often Zen like. As opposed to pathetic.

A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.

Louis L’Amour

by bradley on Sep 22, 2009 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's so boring

I take some of his blog columns to bed with me at night to help me sleep.

Seriously (well not serious about that but) he is so dull and unenlightening I can’t believe he gets paid to write that stuff.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Sep 22, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

More stuff from Clayton, in the link that you pasted, Ted
It would be stunning if the Giants, Redskins, Eagles and Cowboys don’t go 11-1 or 12-0 against Denver, Oakland and Kansas City.

The Redskins? I’m sorry, I just don’t think they are that good. I can see Oakland and Denver beating them. There’s two wins right there. Dallas is beatable, I think they have a lot of talent, but the problem with them, much as it is in SD, is coaching. I just don’t think that Phillips is a very good HC. The Eagles and Giants are much tougher, imho, and we’re probaby looking at two losses there. In any case I completely disagree with this analysis.

…McDaniels in Denver as being on the hottest seats. McDaniels, you ask? Didn’t he just get hired? He did, but the Broncos have evolved into a version of an expansion teams this offseason. They are less talented at quarterback after the Jay Cutler trade. Here’s the scariest number. They have only eight players on their roster who came to them in 2006 or earlier, and one of them, Brandon Marshall, is a malcontent. That means the Broncos are trying to replace 45 roster spots over three years. A 32-team league doesn’t have a big enough pool of players to fill that much of a void.

The scary question, you should be asking yourself, Clayton, is how many of those rostered players that we no longer have, are currently are employed by other NFL teams? Someone, unfortunately, I can’t remember who, posted the numbers recently and it was astounding. I think the team is way better off now than they were at the end of last season. Addition by subtraction is the term, I think.

Thanks for the STNO, another outstanding edition. Thanks, Ted.

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by solace on Sep 22, 2009 10:49 AM MDT reply actions   3 recs

I agree

I don’t understand why everyone puts Washington and the Cowboys on the same heap as Philly and New York, clearly the class of the division. Washington is a good defensive team with a terrible offense. It is ironic that their offense has great talent, it is just terrible though. Dallas is what it is, I don’t think I can say it better than you.

Last year the NFC East played the NFC West (worst division in football, I’ll prove it if need be). Washington beat Arizona at home and Seattle on the road while falling to STL at home and SF on the road. Dallas lost at Arizona and STL while beating Seattle and SF at home. Philly swept the NFC west, closest game at SF winning by 14 points. New York also swept the division, closest game at Arizona by eight points.

Redskins and Cowboys each 3-0 vs. Denver, Oakland, KC? Laughable. Put me down for Denver beating both, Raider D shutting down Washington at home but losing in Dallas, and KC beating Dallas at home because Arrowhead is a tough place to play.

Good teams beat the teams they are “supposed to” beat. Bad teams do not. I certainly cannot imagine a good team going less than 3-1 against the NFC west last year (or this year for that matter), the only possible excuse would be drawing away games at SF and Arizona, even then…

by poorboywilly on Sep 22, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good points about Washington and Dallas

I think Philly could be a mess by the time we play them as well if there is a Vick QB controversy or McNabb continues to be plagued by injuries.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Sep 22, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

32-team league doesn’t have a big enough pool of players to fill that much of a void

yes, 32 teams with a preseason roster of what? 80? cut to 53. Thats 864 players good enough to get a shot. Over 3 years theres a pool of 2592 players. Plus a pool of 1696 currently active players and 250+ practice squad guys. NO WAY we could find 45 good players from that bunch.

But 45 is definitely a bigger number than 32

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by odarol on Sep 23, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

McDaniels

understands that, in order to win, you have to score more points than your opponent! And people thought Shanahan was a mastermind.

Not all change is good, just as not all movement is forward.

by Trogdoor on Sep 22, 2009 10:50 AM MDT reply actions  

Apparently, so does Pork Chop

If we keep playing better than the other teams, we might have a decent season. :)

by BroncosBassist on Sep 22, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Madden had "gomer pyle cred"

Woody thinks he’s a freakin’ intellectual powerhouse.

Brillian, brilliant post Ted. Love the psychological profiles. I think you hit pretty close to the “mean” on each one; there are statistical outliers, both good and horrible, but your core description is within 1/2 standard deviation. Book it.

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by PositivIntegral on Sep 22, 2009 10:51 AM MDT reply actions  

One thumb up...or is it one thumb on the keyboard?

Nice accessment Mastermind you must be an expert…heh heh heh…just kidding.

by bfree2bronc on Sep 22, 2009 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1 & Rec'd Mm

Great post Ted & also love the dedication
( finish at the library ) outstanding
Rec’d

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Sep 22, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

I don’t mind everyone picking the Broncos to have a bad year. I always bet enough money on them before the year starts for them to win the AFC. If they do, I have my Super Bowl flight/hotel/ticket paid for.

Made my bet this year at 50/1

by gras on Sep 22, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was exactly the point I was making...

well-done, and rec’d comment.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 22, 2009 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anyone else think that

John Clayton looks like the elf from Rudolph? “I just want to be a dentist.”

President of the Don Draper fan club.

by jcd823 on Sep 22, 2009 11:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Some of his other lookalikes include

Mr Mackey from South Park (I’m not the only who thinks this, see below), and he’s just about as irritating.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Sep 22, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

When will we ever get respect on defense?

Will it be during the game with Pittsburg? Or against the Cowboys? Planning every week for the different teams we face must be really challeging. Oakland will be a challege this week as well as Dallas at home, we have the tools to beat them both. Great read and rec’d.

by bfree2bronc on Sep 22, 2009 11:37 AM MDT reply actions  

When we are no longer the Denver Broncos.

Some people will always hate on Denver. Some of ‘em will love us when we win the Superbowl, but most won’t. :)

by BroncosBassist on Sep 22, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks, TB, thorough as usual & rec'd

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by Brian Shrout on Sep 22, 2009 11:57 AM MDT reply actions  

gotta agree with Jake Long

it was pretty funny listening to (I believe) Jaws talk about how well Long was doing while the highlight reel that’s playing is showing Long getting pancaked three different times and looking poor on a couple other plays. I did see one play in the last drive where he positively stifled Freeney, but you gotta expect a defensive lineman to be out of gas when he’s been on the field for nearly 45 minutes in Florida heat and especially humidity.

by poorboywilly on Sep 22, 2009 12:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Decent column, really enjoyed it!

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by littletinybroncos on Sep 22, 2009 12:33 PM MDT reply actions  

shannon is sharpe

just what i would expect out of our original entertainer, hangliding in for his induction into the ring of fame. always the showman, it is good to see shannon flying high again for the broncos.

by golfdoc on Sep 22, 2009 1:08 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Favorite MSM analyses

Denver has done little to help their poor Defense. (next sentence or so) Denver’s defense will be bad because it has 8 new starters.

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by 3nS on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Well, sure!

We should have kept those treasure who lined up for us last season and given them all big raises, right? That would elevate us? Oy….

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 22, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Ted! Fine post, once again.

Another “Tuesday improver” with a dash of Tabasco!

Rec’d of course.

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Sep 22, 2009 4:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Ted, I take offense to your characterizations

and groupings of journalists. I don’t know how intimately involved you are with that other side, or what your level of familiarity is with these folks outside of reading them.

But your piece is missing the other side of this equation, the far more important piece.

Consumers dictate the content. Trust me, the vast majority of time what you read from a beat-writer or what you hear from an ’insider" is only a sliver of what they have ascertained or what they “think” they know. Key word bieng “think”.

Now, I’m assuming you understand there are varying levels of sourced information. That is, you may know something from one source that you can’t confirm from another. Also, there are varying levels of credibility that sources have. This seems easy enough to understand. It’s just an example. There are many, many other factors.

 Getting information and dispersing/reporting information on a day to day basis, under the scope of traditional journalistic practices, CAN be a far more complicated process than people seem to acknowledge or recognize.

Moreover, the sports audience, as a whole and historically has not had the thirst for detailed intricaciesof the game. THIS IS CHANGING. And the industry is beginning the process of catering to this growing niche/market.

You get what you ask for. It’s cliche but it’s also atruism. And while I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that the "MSM’ delivers shallow reporting and analysis, I wouldn’t read too much into it bieng a reflection ofthose who report and purport.

Surely, there are people in the media who fit into the above categories but you would be surprised.

The great thing is the game is changing (and no the greatest factor in the death of newspapers does not have to do with depth of information).

The great thing is MHR is ahead of the curve in this regard. But I wouldn’t beat my chest so much. It doesn’t sound like you have a direct line with these people, becuase they will be coming with knowledge at some point. It’s just a matter of making it real journalism. But these things, the issues areound them, are constantly bieng discussed.

by rururuland784 on Sep 22, 2009 5:03 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm a little troubled that you're offended

because I wasn’t trying to be offensive. Are you a journalist? What I was getting at was the fact that there are traditional roles in the traditional presentation formula for football.

A lot of people who can write some, don’t know anything particularly illuminating about the game. A lot of people who have high-value insight to share lack great communication skills. A good blog, by not sticking to established convention, can do much better than the traditional formulaic media.

Here is an undeniable truth. The access which is the traditional media’s only existing advantage is becoming less and less relevant. Participants are becoming more apt to control how they are perceived by the public through Twitter and other channels, and the reporters are getting cut out.

To end this, I am emphatically not a journalist, I am purely an analyst and commentator. I make no bones about that, and never have. I am not looking for stories, or news. I am evaluating what I see, and disseminating that information to people who want to read what I think. There are very few true legitimate football analysts in the traditional written-word media space, and that was the big idea here.

So, I’m sorry you’re offended, but I don’t really understand where it’s coming from. John Clayton, Len Pasquarelli, Bill Williamson, and the rest don’t really know what the hell they are talking about, beyond what anybody tells them. Nobody tells me anything, so, quite frankly, I find most of these clowns to be wanting.

"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy

by Ted Bartlett on Sep 22, 2009 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I completely with you on those first four "grafs" (to answer your question)

There are countless others who share this sentiment about the tired, old, formuliac media.

Indeed, social networking sites, to an extent, are changing information/source gathering. Though there are certainly limitations there as well. It’s cut-out an important middle-man and that’s not the journalist.

But my point was that what you hear from these sports journalists is rarely the extent of their knowledge. That even includes some of these brain-dead pundits. Consumers are simply getting what they want. What consumers want is changing which is the good thing.

by rururuland784 on Sep 22, 2009 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can't wait till 13 Dec!!!

If Mr. Clady hasn’t proven he’s an elite LT to the MSM by then, A great (average for him) showing against the unblockable Dwight Freeney will cement a Pro Bowl for him. Can’t hardly wait!

by SoCalBroncsFan on Sep 22, 2009 6:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Excellent post, Ted.

We watched the game Sunday with a Browns fan friend. Her parents were season ticket holders with the Browns. We are still friends. I give Mangini credit playing a QB, Quinn, who is in many ways a rookie. This is what? – his 4th or 5th start in his career in 3 years. He should get better.

I had my heart in my throat each time the kicks went to Cribbs. I needn’t have – our guys covered him really close. I really like the defensive effort. We can stop – so far – almost everyone. That is a trend I hope will continue. With the ground game coming on strong, that will keep our D on the bench more.

I give a huge chunk of the credit for our improved D to Nolan and his staff for putting together schemes that work. Then to the players for embracing them. Dawkins for pumping the “Mo” into them. And of course to the guys in the off season who brought these people in.

A great read. I look forward to you comments. Thanks for your time and efforts.

by Blackknigh on Sep 22, 2009 8:27 PM MDT reply actions  

oh yeah ...

BIG props to the special teams for shutting down Cribbs!!

by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 22, 2009 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Quick post on Minnesota..

Minnesota is playoff if not super bowl bound mark my words. Having lived in Minnesota for a while and my father a realistic Viking’s fan, I have learned that Minnesota is a force to be reckoned with. Not only is their D stellar (they will pick it up later) but they have a running game in A.P. and I am sure the coaches are waiting for opponents to play the short route because they expect Favre to do what does best and that is being aware of the situation(I would say be a gunslinger but age is getting to him). They have a decent set of receivers and Percy Harvin is getting there. Shancoe (SP?) is a very good TE and their line is decent, top 15 I would say. Minnesota has been an underdog for a while now and this could possibly be their year unless Brad Childress goes ahead and messes everything up. (I don’t understand how he is still a head coach). That’s all I wanted to say.

Any movement in history which attempts to perpetuate itself, becomes reactionary.

- Marshal Broz Tito

by BosnianBronco on Sep 23, 2009 12:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Alright, Ted...

I’ll buy most of this, but remember that for those of us that are just learning, synthesis is a significant cognitive step. Just because I (or other members) paraphrase information or apply something we’ve just read by you, John, bear, HT, etc., doesn’t mean we’re blindly repeating things. We are synthesizing the information in our own minds. That step must come before creation, extrapolation, and other high-oreder thinking skills. In other words, parroting the media gives some of us a foundation of beliefs, whether good or bad, that we can then begin to prove or disprove based on research and new information.
Thanks!

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Sep 23, 2009 6:11 PM MDT reply actions  

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