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The Kyle Orton experiment, as promised.


Alright, so here we go, this is something I put together real fast last night so you all could (maybe) get a first hand view of how much the glove and splint have affected Kyle Orton's play the past few weeks. Watch the video, forgive the crap quality, and forgive me for jumbling and mumbling. Watch the video and we'll see how people trash KO then. Check-ch-check ch-check, ch-check it out!

 

Disclaimer, I did practice throwing with a glove for about 20 minutes last night beforehand, to get used to the glove and it wasn't pretty. The final throws for the video were still not pretty at all, but in any event, view:

Star-divide

 

Alright, so what do you think? Is Kyle Orton still just a big noodle armed baby? Or is it possible that he really has been better than anyone thought, given his circumstances?

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Very good post, Joe

I have been saying for weeks now that a dislocated knuckle and having to wear a glove absolutely has to affect all phases of throwing a football. It’s a testament to KO’s toughness and ability to adapt! Great job and thanks for the time you spent on this experiment.

Rec’d.

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Sep 23, 2009 12:48 PM MDT reply actions  

smoke and mirrors man smoke and mirrors....

Just kiddin’ I think it does go without saying that his accuracy and confidence will be much better when he is back in his comfort zone, that said his numbers don’t look so bad with the glove and splint. Can only get better from here on out, good idea on the demonstration btw , I thnk we all kinda knew what you were saying before the video but the demonstration really brought home the point.

"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam

by lovewatchinthegame on Sep 23, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions  

I wonder if anybody saw the pass that Stokley missed in the RedZone?

Stokley had made a simular catch for a first down twice before in the game, but the pass he missed was a bullit and I believe it caught Brandon by surprise. Maybe Orton had become more warmed up by then I don’t know, but we all know Stokley has pretty good hands and makes those catches. Zippa dee do da day.

by bfree2bronc on Sep 23, 2009 1:32 PM MDT reply actions  

scary

That’s an axe murderers basement if I have every seen one. Just kidding. thanks for the demo.

by Bradoncadonc on Sep 23, 2009 1:43 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

hahaha

my house is almost 300 years old man. it’s crazy how old this place is. In any event though, it is what it is. Thanks!

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Sep 23, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was great Joe...Rec'd

I would challenge anyone to tape up their finger like that and just try to get through your normal day, let alone try to throw NO INT’s and win 2 NFL football games…

Thanks for your efforts

by BroncoSense72 on Sep 23, 2009 2:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice job Joe

but I believe your footwork might have been a little off. HaHa! KO has been doing fine with the glove, but I haven’t seen any touch passes or 30 yard sideline loft routes. It will be interesting to see how the playcalling changes when the glove comes off.

by rocko1 on Sep 23, 2009 2:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Actually

for a follow up, I plan on getting out into my yard and heaving a few passes. I’m not a quarterback, but I do know how to get the ball where it needs to go.

So, I’m going to get out and set up a few targets and try the experiment from closer-to-life distances. I plan on trying from 10, 20, and 30 yards in all sorts of directions.

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Sep 23, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not so sure that just because the glove is off...

That he’ll be 100% to full capability right away…He may still be somewhat limited and tentative for a couple of games until he has confidence that he can make all his throws…

by BroncoSense72 on Sep 23, 2009 3:08 PM MDT reply actions  

And...

watching the offensive plans develop in general, and being a bit of a conspiracy theory junkie, I think the plan may be to add something in each week……maybe the long ball isn’t going to be used until opposing game-plans believes we aren’t going to do it.

by idahobronc on Sep 23, 2009 3:31 PM MDT reply actions  

I thought he threw well in the second game not so well in the first

But were 2 and 0 so why rehash game one. I think he can be very good going forward. I would take his game 2 performance the rest of the year gladly. We’re going to win this division and we’ll still get no love until next year.

by Lisa FB on Sep 23, 2009 3:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Since you obviously have a Noodle arm

this was an accurate experiment. Just Kidding. Great work all around. I wouldn’t know the first thing about trying to put together something like this, so I would Rec it just for talent. You put a lot of work into this site. I don’t know how you do it and attend college at the same time. Thanks Bro.

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by KaptainKirk on Sep 23, 2009 4:26 PM MDT reply actions  

A little rough around the edges :)

but graphic and convincing. I think I had underestimated how much of a handicap Orton was dealing with. It’s amazing that he’s been as effective as he has with that glove and finger wrap. It’s also a testament to how well he knows the offense and how much McDaniels trusts him. He beat out Simms in the first place because he picked up the offense faster.

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Sep 23, 2009 5:02 PM MDT reply actions  

great demo & instruction

I try to teach my students to throw a football. I see now how little I knew about it. Thanks for helpful tips.

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by Brian Shrout on Sep 23, 2009 5:28 PM MDT reply actions  

KO is the man, period.

I’ve said this before, and great work cjf, but I’ve believed this all along. Kyle Orton will be a great quarterback for this team and system. I don’t know where all this noodle arm stuff started, or why with some it still persists, but the guy can throw a rope, left or right (side, not arm…we all saw his lefty), dink or deep, has touch and accuracy. I’m on record to say he’ll lead us to the playoffs, have a top 10 qb season, quiet the whiners and haters, and IS our qb for years to come. Give it a little time. It’s a new system, new teammates, new coaches, new environment. Sheesh. He can think, make great decisions, bad throws when necessary, great throws when needed, and he is a leader of men by demeanor and example. We won’t trade him next year, we’ll resign him to a long contract, and keep TB in reserve and let Simms go. And we’ll all be happy about it. Can’t believe these people ripping him before he even got started. He still puts up w’s. Win is why they play the game.

by azbroncomaniac on Sep 23, 2009 6:43 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

My thoughts exactly…

by blackhillsbronx on Sep 23, 2009 6:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

love your view of things

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by Brian Shrout on Sep 23, 2009 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rex Grossman fans

are the source of the “noodle arm” bs. They just hated the fact that KO beat out “sexy rexy” in 2008.

by rocko1 on Sep 23, 2009 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Weird??? nickname

It’s not a nickname Doc. Rocky…Rocko.

by rocko1 on Sep 23, 2009 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol

I was referring to Sexy Rexy

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 24, 2009 3:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

See what happens

when it’s past my bedtime and consumption of a couple of adult beverages. “sexy rexy” came from the female fanbase during 2006 SB run.

by rocko1 on Sep 24, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

Thanks for the info – sleep well!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 24, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Joe, Good Work, You're more accurate with the glove than the Hutt is without

Throw #2 would have taken off Stokley’s head. Watch out.

You proved your points well regarding the speed and accuracy.

This should give anyone some appreciation for what Orton is going through.

Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.

by TJ Johnson on Sep 23, 2009 9:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice

work Joe. Hopefully Orton will be better when the glove and bandage come off. I appreciate the job Orton has done while dealing his injury, bandage, and glove but he is what he is glove or no glove an average quarterback. The question is whether Orton can become effective in McDaniels’s quarterback friendly offense this season since he will be a free agent next year or if McDaniel’s will be looking for a new starting quarterback next season. I was impressed by the sideline throw to Gaffney last Sunday-if Orton can make those type of throws consistently he might be our qb for several seasons but right now I don’t think he is our long term answer at qb but he has 14 more games to show what he can do.

by broncorob on Sep 23, 2009 9:40 PM MDT reply actions  

You've been traded

Nicely done Joe. Chicago just called and offered a #1 and a #3 for your services. Turn in your playbook to the coach.

Some rise by sin, others by virtue fall. - Shakespeare "Measure for Measure"

by BuddyHollysPilot on Sep 23, 2009 10:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Honestly, I never wanted to be traded...

but I do love the Chicago Bears. ;)

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Sep 23, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

glove or no glove

i had a simular injury like KOs (work injury). on my ring finger several yrs ago, my worry if there is slite nerve damage, i wonder how his finger is going to feel in cold weather..its seems my finger gets colder and stays that way for a long time. just wondering

by crunch41 on Sep 24, 2009 12:50 PM MDT reply actions  

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