Just wanted to share two stories
I thought I would share two stories I read, both interesting in their own way. To me they both display homerism, but in opposing fashion. One in the what we have come to expect of the MSM, and the other in what could be perceived as the view through kool-aid glasses, except that it is not, and is worthy of having been written or at the very least shared here at MHR. One is conventional wisdom (main-stream spew), and the other is a thoughtful comparison of the monumental parallels between two teams.
Sam Dudley of the Huffington post
Two dudes from CBS News whose picture annoys me mightily
Looking forward to your thoughts and comments.
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The homer in me wants to agree with the view of the first one. But we’ll find out where we are as a team sunday. One thing I do know is that the team is headed in the right direction. All I want to see is progress from week to week, which, is one of the goals of the team. In just about all of the interviews I’ve seen, somewhere in it they mention that they have a long way to go and that they want to progress. Because it isn’t just one player saying that but the whole team has me excited for the season.
by milehighnation on Sep 25, 2009 10:24 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
That first one is a great article
The second one just pisses me off..
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno=ROY
I agree
Sam took time and effort into a well placed position of thinking. The second yahoos are part of the sports soundbite echo chamber. Lazily regurgitating what they’ve read or heard elsewhere.
by BroncoInExile on Sep 25, 2009 10:47 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Amazing article. Thanks for finding it!!
As far as the other joke-of-a-literary-piece goes… well. It just wouldn’t be nice to say what is on my mind…
"For since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities (His eternal power and divine nature) have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." Romans 1:20
Good article.....
I am, of course, referring to the first. The second deserves no comment, as both of its authors were just regurgitating the expected; it may be proven to be right (as history unfolds, who knows what will happen). Even if that horrid prediction actually is the result of this season, the article contained no original thought and its authors shouldn’t get much credit for “being right”, just for saying what everyone believed.
The first article seems not so much a prediction, but an insight into how we as humans think, and how we remember the past. Popular opinion and analysis by the MSM has, over time, proved to be a fallible and fickle predictor of the future in our beloved sport…every time a new power-team emerges, it is initially a surprise to all but the fans of that team, who themselves were believers anyway. Maybe the MSM is not stupid, just human. Or, maybe I’m over-thinking it, and they are exactly that stupid. Oh well….. It so hard to tell from my admittedly “homer” viewpoint… which BTW is screaming that the article really IS a prediction. Its all so confusing.
by idahobronc on Sep 26, 2009 12:47 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for the first one
un-rec’d for the second. jk jk.
But seriously, the second one sucks. I love that first one though.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
Josh McDaniels is the Forrest Gump of the last decade of NFL football....
Interesting way to put it… wonder if he plays ping pong?
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Sep 26, 2009 1:42 AM MDT reply actions
shot in the backside by the media while trying to rescue the Broncos?
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Sep 26, 2009 4:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Your avatar made me laugh so hard
my eyes started raining…
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Sep 26, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Choochoo
Yeah happened to me too… one of those laughs that kinda builds huh?
You’re is good too. My old avatar was a lightning storm… yours is cool…
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Sep 26, 2009 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions
You're is good???!!
Is English my bad..
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Sep 26, 2009 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok, call me a homer
Excellent post, tannji. Now there’s the contrast between MHR authors and the MSM. Thoughtful research and analysis vs. regurgitated (sp?) garbage.
I read the Dudley article earlier and loved it
but had to laugh when I saw the slightly pro-Cutler remarks of the CBS News guys characterized as “main-stream spew” and the strongly pro-Denver remarks of Denver Dudley as “a thoughtful comparison”. While I do think Dudley made a good case for his kool-aid comparison, I think we are all a little bit hard on the MSM. If we were in their shoes we’d probably see the Cutler-Orton comparison much the same way. Doesn’t mean they’re right. Just means it’s understandable that, lacking our motivated close-up view they see it as even many Denver fans see it.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
the disparity i too often see
is exemplified perfectly in these 2 articles.
one was well researched, full of both history and opinion (but neither is conflated), and open to the idea that they might be wrong about the results, but still remain confident in the analysis.
the other is flash judgments taken from 60 rows up. opinion is history, and the tone is of a therapist talking a crazy person back from the edge.
one is geared toward a fan of the game of football, where the sum is greater than the individual parts.
another is geared toward ADHD having, cigarette-with-a-Rockstar-chaser feaning, tribal arm-band tattoo wearing, fantasy football type fan.
it just gets old, and reinforces why mhr is the first place i go.
Go Broncos!
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Sep 26, 2009 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Lucky?
I find it remarkable that Denver’s win over Cincinatti is being attributed to luck. Denver led for 59 minutes of that football game, and only lost the lead due to a fake punt on the Bengals’ last drive (not even the defense’s fault).
Similarly, the victory over the Browns is being attributed to the Brown’s being a poor team, as opposed to the Broncos being a good one. To me, the press has a pre-conceived notion of what they think the Broncos are, and they fit the facts into their theories. The only thing to do is keep winning till the herd starts to turn the other way.
BTW, Dallas, New England, and San Diego are certainly winnable games.
The crux of the bisquit is the apostrophe. -Zappa
by BuddyHollysPilot on Sep 26, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
With this team of ours every game is winnable...EVERY game!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Sep 26, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention
Cutler, because the team around him is better than the team around Orton
Especially when you back it up with
I never thought Cutler was a good fit for Chicago, and I still don’t. You win in Chicago in November and December by running the ball, but Cutler acts as if he never met Matt Forte
Great insight… only it is completely contradictory. I love the conclusion as well
This one’s a close call, but Cutler gets the edge because his teammates — particularly on defense — are superior.
Never mind the fact that the Broncos, as pointed out by Jim Armstrong, have held a lead for 82:36 and only trailed for 4:46. Alas, only time will tell, but the points made in the second article are written off of pure conjecture with so many contradictions it is painful to read. Broncos are 2-0, Bears are 1-1, both should end up 8-8 but the Bears are still the better team… I mean, really? COME OFF IT!
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Sep 26, 2009 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Understandable.
Valid point Spock, but almost all of the mainstream under-achievements are understandable by that standard. Perhaps I was harsh, perhaps I allowed that picture and standard, conventional analysis get to me. Perhaps my standards tell me that you have to actually analyze something if you plan on putting a piece out there for people to read. Perhaps at the time the variance or gulf between the two pieces overwhelmed me. So I am a homer, but I still expect you to work at something before you throw it in the trough. I don’t mind criticism of the Broncos, just lead me to believe you actually did the required homework. I tend to label a lot of things as spew… I am borderline spewing right now! = )
I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal
Under-achievement seems a bit unfair
Prisco and Judge didn’t just sit down and “plan on putting a piece out there for people to read” in the sense that Dudley did. They were asked a question relevant to a wide cross-section of fans, not just Broncos and Bears supporters, and answered more or less on the spot based on their general knowledge base. That knowledge base, because it involves all 32 teams, is of course not as in-depth and up-to-date with regards to the Broncos as that of a guy who’s a passionate Denver sports fan and founder of a Denver-oriented sports blog site. Yet even Dudley, in his write-up of our win over Cinci, hangs Orton out to dry:
Kyle Orton was brutal. Broken pinkie aside, Orton looked indecisive, weak, and confused all day. I understand why McDaniels acquired Orton to replace Cutler. Orton is smart, tall, and allegedly possesses untapped potential. Yet, Orton is hopelessly average. He therefore remains a poor investment for a franchise that claims to be so devoted to avoiding mediocrity.
Orton lacks the competitive drive that defines all successful NFL players. Think about it. He had the opportunity for four seasons to run away with the keys to the Chicago Bears offense. He never did. His competition was Rex Grossman and the illustrious Brian Griese. Each time Orton won the starting job he managed to hand it back over to his lowly competition. He does not have “it.”
As far as weak-armed quarterbacks go, would you not take Chad Pennington’s lame rotator-cuffs over Kyle Orton’s limp release? At least Pennington took losing the starting job in New York personally. He clearly used the Jets’ lack of faith in him as motivation to succeed once he landed in Miami. Maybe Orton is just reserved, but he did not look like a confident player or a leader out there against Cincinnati. This does not bode well for the Broncos’ offense. My mouth still tastes like mud …
Ouch! Does that sound like something he analyzed, something he worked at before he threw it in the trough? Even a guy who likes McDaniels, who has some insight into what he’s trying to do, can’t see value in Orton, can’t quite see that here, too, McDaniels knows what he’s doing. Orton’s attributes vis a vis Cutler are visible only to a few, even those few have had to “keep the faith” to see them, and not even most Broncos supporters have that faith or degree of sophistication. And we expect guys who are not Broncos beat writers to see it, else they’re not doing their homework?
Prisco’s and Judges’s off-the-cuff analyses are probably pretty close to what most Broncos fans, in their heart of hearts, are afraid is true or angrily — fire McDaniels! — assert is true. They don’t appear to be harsher than that of the in-depth analyzer Dudley they’re being unfavorably compared to. It’ll take awhile for everyone else to realize what’s happened, and in the meantime I hope our players pin those articles on the wall and go out and show them. But should we damn others as unprepared for not knowing what we wouldn’t know in their place, or should we pat ourselves on the back and bask in the knowledge that we’re ahead of the curve, that we know something others don’t know? It’s not that they’re not that bad. It’s that MHR is that good.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Stop raining on my parade!!!
LOL, Granted, you are right… it’s just that so much of what passes for analysis is exactly that.. off the cuff, with no apologies. I could really go on a rant about how it got started and how the internet (that I love and would hate to do without) just made it 10 times worse, and then ESPN came in and took over… but I won’t as someone else already did that and did it well. If you aren’t going to analyze something, just admit it and say “I am going off what others have said”. Too much to ask, I realize… but hey, it gave me something to share. Now stop being such a Vulcan already! = )
I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal
Okay
GO BRONCOS! (Show the retards out there that they’re wrong.)
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
I get tired of the new conventional wisdom that
…Denver really should have lost that first game against Cincy.
Truth is, we outplayed the Bengals, and — minus a holding call and a false start — we very likely win that game 9-0.
I mean, how hard is it to paint that picture instead of the picture in which the Broncos “fluked” their way into a win? And why go the other route?
Answer: because so many of these “experts” buried the Broncos in the preseason.
Even now, many who picked the Broncos to go 3-13 / 4-14 are allowing that they could win the game this weekend — but that it is after that that the real Broncos will show up.
Conveniently for them, the schedule becomes brutal, at least on paper, and the Broncos could begin racking up some losses; which will allow these “experts” to point back to their preseason analysis of the team.
But don’t let that fool you. If the Broncos lose a bunch of those games but are competitive in doing so, they will NOT be the same team that these analysts envisioned.
And the analysts will know it, too; they just won’t ever admit as much.
I'd rather an 08 Green Bay type season
as opposed to the 08 Broncos season.
What I mean by that, is the Packers were 6-10, but they were within 3 points in 6 or 7 games if I remember right. Had they been just a hair more together as a unit, they were looking at a 12-4 or 13-3 season and playoffs….Unlike the 08 Broncos that logically should have been 7-9 or worse at best and didn’t compete at all when the pressure was on.
I’ll take a competitive season with more losses as opposed to a fair record with blowouts in the middle.
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
problem with that
is good teams win the close ones more often than not
by milehighnation on Sep 26, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
MSM is the same everywhere.
Like everyone else, I loved the actual analysis of the first and literally couldn’t finish the second. There was nothing original in the second article. It looks like it took 5 minutes to throw together, whereas the first clearly had taken some time and some research.
However, I know that I am not only seeing this because I am the perfectly eternal Broncos optimist, heck – I put $90 on them in Vegas to win the SB THIS year! – but rather that this really is a travesty of the MSM around the country. How do I know that, well I was reading on Silver and Black Pride this week, Raiders equivalent of MHR, and reading their analysis of the Raiders and even of their upcoming matchup with the Broncos. And you know what, the same thing is happening for them. The MSM has the Raiders as “much improved but still the Raiders.” Lost to SD, of course, and barely beat the Chiefs. Well here’s the news, the Raiders dominated SD and should have won, and they played very poorly but still beat a mediocre KC team IN KC. The S+B Pride analysts know this. They see the truth of their team, not as a great team, but as a team that CAN compete.
So if I can see the MSM bias against a team that I HATE in the Raiders, then I know it is not the Homer in me finding fault b/c someone criticized my team.
So, though the MSM is “giving” this game to the Broncos as one of their 3-4 victories, we know that to go into Oakland and beat the Raiders will not be easy, but it should be doable with our team. If we dominate, we will learn that we just may be as good as we hope; and if we squeak by or lose, then will will have to take a hard look at our analysis, but at least we will be honest enough to do that and not ignore the truth if we are wrong.
I have printed and copied the link for the first article to give to every Bronco fan I know as it will at least show them that there is insightful and well thought out analysis of the NFL going on, you just can’t watch ESPN or NFLN to get it…
I put 20 on them for the SB
At 40:1 I will take the negative media that made those odds. :)
by BroncoInExile on Sep 26, 2009 4:20 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
the disparity i too often see...
is exemplified perfectly in these 2 articles.
one was well researched, full of both history and opinion (but neither is conflated), and open to the idea that they might be wrong about the results, but still remain confident in the analysis.
the other is flash judgments taken from 60 rows up. opinion is history, and the tone is of a therapist talking a crazy person back from the edge.
one is geared toward a fan of the game of football, where the sum is greater than the individual parts.
another is geared toward ADHD having, cigarette-with-a-Rockstar-chaser feaning, tribal arm-band tattoo wearing, fantasy football type fan.
it just gets old, and reinforces why mhr is the first place i go.
Go Broncos!
"I want this team to be tough, smart and prepared to play well under pressure...Everybody here in this organization is going to be held accountable to do their job — their piece of the puzzle to make this team a competitor for a championship every season." J-Mac
by Jay Fin Anderson on Sep 26, 2009 11:31 AM MDT reply actions
I get it....kinda
I admit that there is a homerific viewpoint here on MHR to say “if the MSM doesn’t think we rock, then they’re idiots and spewing the same crap,” but that’s not entirely the case. We really did have a rocky offseason and we don’t have many big name talent players. So I can’t blame them all for thinking that way.
However, that being said, I don’t think the MSM are ALL idiots, I just think they’re all Chicken S***s. Last year, Miami was coming off a 1-15 season and picked up (gasp! what are they thinking!?) limp wristed Chad Pennington. Chad’s been known as a game manager but never really a Peyton Manning. Is it possible the Dolphins could be all right with him at the helm? Sure. But what a craaaazy thing to say! I don’t want to get laughed at or mocked for picking a questionable team to do well! Rather, I’ll stay with the common thread and when/if they DO start to do all right, just nod like it was always part of the plan.
As far as that second article, the worst response to picking Cutler they can get is really “Oh yeah?? We’ll show you!” Whereas the worst response to picking Orton(at the moment anyway) is “WHAT? ARE YOU AN IDIOT RETARD!?!” And they’re always scared of looking stupid, so they’ll never take the riskier(albeit probably not THAT risky at all) choice. Instead they’ll all pick the New England Patriots to go 14-2 in 2008 and the Dolphins to go 3-13. Who can win with that pasty pansy Chad Pennington? Really.
by 3RingsHeProbablyKnowsSomething on Sep 26, 2009 3:48 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
3 Rings
Good point on the not wanting to look stupid. Even writers are subject to human nature. Excellent point, man.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
Thanks Mr. Lebowski
Er, I mean, Dude.
by 3RingsHeProbablyKnowsSomething on Sep 26, 2009 11:39 PM MDT reply actions
After these first 3 week “gimme” wins (where’s my rolling eyes icon?), I hope the Broncos kick the living snot out of the Cowboys. 1, because I hate the Cowboys. 2, because hopefully these biased, ignorant MSM tools will start to give the Broncos credit. You know, since the ’Boys are still such a dominant team and all, right? Right??
But even then, the Cowboys IMO are far from a dominant, playoff caliber team. They have some nice facets to their team, but many holes, as well. So even if Denver would start off 4-0, the media bias will continue. Maybe not as hard, but it will continue.
by Gristle McThornbody on Sep 27, 2009 8:13 AM MDT reply actions
I'm hoping the Cowboys win today
so our win over them next week will give us some credibility. But it’ll probably cause people to doubt the Cowboys. They lost to Denver?!?!?!
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

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