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A modest proposal




It's a simple request, actually:

STOP TALKING ABOUT THE MEDIA.

The idea that the MSM (God... I hate that phrase so much) is biased against the Broncos seems a bit ludicrous. For 30 years, the Broncos have been among the most lauded, well-liked organizations in football. Ask any reporter who worked in Denver during the 80s and 90s about John Elway stories they chose not to pursue, purely for the sake of not getting strung up by his loyal fans. Jim Saccommano is one of the best PR guys in the business and the team has been very accommodating of many smaller newspapers wishing to get credentialed.

During the Shanahan years, the team was routinely regarded as one of the best, most well-run organizations in football. Year-after-year, they were included on multiple nationally-televised games regardless of the year's previous record. There are many teams who go many years without a nationally-televised game. Hell, the Texans had just their first-ever MNF game last year.

Yes, the MSM by-and-large predicted doom and gloom for the Broncos. Let's examine why:

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- Vastly new roster
- Vastly new coaching staff
- Vastly new front office
- New QB
- Disgruntled WR
- New offense
- Very little information was dispensed due to McDaniels' new philosophy (not necessarily a negative thing, but if you as a reporter aren't granted as much access as you are to other organizations, it's far more diffic

 

ult to know what's going on)
- Mangini, Romeo and Weis have all, to some degree, failed. Nick Saban also had his struggles in Miami.

Now, let's examine the possible outcomes:

1. The team could struggle, much like most teams in similar circumstances (new coach, new QB, sweeping changes in the front office and among coaches) do.
2. The team could thrive because Josh McDaniels is much, much better at his job than most people.

Those were, realistically, the two options. Which of those options was more likely, would you say? The one that is far, far more common? Or the one that is far, far more rare?

 


Now, I'm very happy to say that it appears the second option came to fruition. Very, very happy.

But to get so worked up this late in the season about the "MSM" having a 'grudge' against the Broncos... That seems silly. I know most of you were believers in McDaniels and I applaud your blind loyalty to the organization.

They played the odds. Most teams in our situation fail. Most coaches fail. Most executives fail. We appear not to be failing.

But to suggest that the reason the "MSM" predicted doom-and-gloom for our beloved Bronco as if that they have some sort of personal bias against the team... Well, you'll have to forgive me if I think that train of thought is a wee bit foolish.

So, do me this one small, tiny, itty bitty favor: focus on the team. It appears to be a good team. It's certainly an enjoyable one. This could be a very, very fun season. Let's not get caught up in the petty stuff (sorry for those that saw the initial word... Fixed now) that goes along with people blindly attacking media members about how bad they are at their job.

Please, try to avoid getting upset. I'm not singling anyone out and I'm not trying to upset anyone. I would just like this site to return to what it used to be: a place for lively discourse about the Broncos. It's recently turned into something more petty, something more akin to a high school 'slambook'

This team has experienced a great deal of success over the years. It has been on national TV, the cover of magazines, the focus of national discourse. We've been there before. Quit acting like you haven't.

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you gotta be kiddin' me, wouldn't it be nice if it were that simple...

the media by and large are whore’s, they sell their soul for a juicy story that sells ad space be it in a newspaper or on a website. They will put up whatever garbage they want to sell their space and you want a website that allows us lowly peons of the public to outshine the media with substance and matter to just disappear? To give the media that has bashed the Broncos mercilessly a pass? You sir or ma’am are most certainly certifiable to come on this site and ask such a ludicrous and ridiculous request. The media has earned it’s place in this “slambook” until it goes on record as being even the slightest remorseful for it’s including the Broncos in it’s “slambook” show me one member of the media that has shown even a TAD of remorse for slamming the Bronco front office, coaches, player selection, etc… and then I will show you a site, namely MHR, that has allowed dissenting viewpoints and classy debate. I have read the so called media reports that have slammed the Broncos and I have yet to read one retraction. No my friend you will find NO sympathy here on the other hand you will find a fan base that is beginning to tire of the MSM tirades and tricks. In fact I am beginning to see this post for what it really is and I am ashamed that I am even replying!!! I will go ahead and post this so that others may read this and resist replying themselves. I predict no rec’d for this post

"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam

by lovewatchinthegame on Sep 29, 2009 1:06 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Let me get this straight

You’ll have to correct me if I’m wrong. I wasn’t entirely certain what your point was, so I’m doing a bit of projection here.

The mainstream media has specifically and maliciously attacked the Denver Broncos organization for the strict purpose of selling ad space. Is the “Anti-Denver Broncos” market large enough for this to be a logical goal? I suppose perhaps I’m underestimating the overall hatred of the Denver Broncos organization worldwide.

Perhaps one of the reasons I am doing that is because, since its inception, Monday Night Football has featured the Denver Broncos a total of 59 times, 5th-most among all NFL teams, behind only the Dolphins, Cowboys, 49ers and Raiders (should be noted: The Steelers have also appeared on MNF 59 times). When you consider that a great deal of that time frame — we’ll call it ‘the 70s’ was a pretty low era for the Denver Broncos (sans the 1977 SB run), while the other teams (specifically the Raiders, Dolphins and Cowboys) all had very successful runs during that time, it can pretty safely be assumed that, since the early 1980s, the Denver Broncos have been considered one of America’s most-popular teams.

Here’s a list of a few stories that I could drudge up. I tried to find some anti-Broncos stuff to mix it in there:

Here’s a nice career-retrospective piece about John Elway, written shortly after Shanahan was hired.

Telling quote:

The bad news for unforgiving Colt fans is that he hasn’t gotten to that point yet. He has a new coach, a solid new cast of veteran teammates and an intricate new offense that makes him feel like a kid again. “For a quarterback it’s like dying and going to heaven,” he says of the offense that Shanahan brought with him from the San Francisco 49ers, where he was the offensive coordinator for the past two seasons. “I feel like I’m starting over again.”

That sure doesn’t sound like, to me, someone who is being overly critical of the decision-making process in Denver.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1006910/index.htm

Here’s another one, written in 1996, just as the team was starting to come together.

Perhaps the only thing that this writer needs to be remorseful for was his puzzling use of hyperbole in an otherwise subtle piece:

After missing the playoffs three of the last four seasons, Denver is enjoying a revival under second-year coach Mike Shanahan, who has quietly produced the AFC’s best team. This season’s Broncos, who are 7-1 and own a two-game lead over the Chiefs in the AFC West, are not of the same breed as their Elway-era predecessors, including the three teams in the 1980s that advanced to the Super Bowl only to be pushed around like unwelcome drunks crashing a party. This year Denver is physical, purposeful and well-rounded.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008978/index.htm

In 1999, Adam Schefter — perhaps the foremost NFL writer at this point in his career — wrote a book, with Shanahan, about leadership titled “Think Like a Champion.”

New York Times review of said-book:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/207

Not sure even the most pessimistic person could find that to be any type of attack on the organization.

This piece was published in the WSJ, but originally written in Stefan Fatsis’ wonderful book “A Few Seconds of Panic.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121477975676614277.html.html?mod=sports

There were certainly some moments in the book that didn’t show the Broncos’ organization in a perfect light — the Sauerbrun issue is examined in this excerpt, and Fatsis certainly didn’t seem to like certain players (though, retrospectively thinking about it, a few of the players he seemed to not get along with probably were warranted: Cutler and Marshall, both of whom are, shall we say, ‘eccentric’?). On the whole, the book was solid and I know I’ve seen Fatsis write about the Broncos’ organization elsewhere since the book came out, and his fawning for the team and its executives was pretty transparent.

Worth noting: Bill Williamson’s response to Shanahan’s shocking dismissal last year. “Pork Chop,” as he’s so affectionately known around these parts as, has taken an awful lot of ribbing from some folks.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/tag/_/name/shanahan-fired

He seemed to look at both Shanahan and the Broncos as a whole in a positive light, suggesting that Shanahan will be able to get any job he wants and also suggesting the Broncos are a very attractive destination for a head coach (though, part of that attraction was attached to the QB we had).

Wojo on the Cutler saga:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3946294&sportCat=nfl

Seemed to me that he was, in fact, supporting the organization, not bashing it.

Digging a bit deeper, the biggest complaint I hear — and I’ll be the first to admit that I might have been suckered into this opinion had I not done a little research — is that John Elway was unfairly ripped for failing to win a Super Bowl early in his career. That’s certainly partially true; the lack of a title was one of the first things people thought about when they heard the name Elway. However, this is a tremendous piece by Rick Reilly (you won’t hear me say that very frequently) in 1989 about some of the problems that faced Elway. I think reading this will do two things:
1: Make you bash your head against the wall 150 times when you remember how conservative the Broncos’ offense was in the 80s; and, 2: Help squash some of those beliefs that he was unfairly maligned by the MSM.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1069023/1/index.htm

(Good read, retrospectively, particularly the portion about Reeves/Elway/Shanahan, a triumvirate that I never thought got enough coverage. Et tu, Reeves? Also, if anyone actually reads this, notice how Reilly mentions that Elway is ranked 18th among QBs. 18th in what? Football stats have improved so much in 20 years.)

Small piece: King ranks the offensive lines last year. Note the inclusion of the Broncos:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1149378/index.htm

King again, ostensibly siding with the Broncos during “Cutlergate”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153631/index.htm

The point I’m trying to get at is this:

The MSM by-and-large predicted that this Broncos team would struggle. I outlined above why they might have thought that, and I maintain that such a train of thought isn’t entirely without its merit. The team seemed to be in turmoil and, following last year’s historically bad defense, it seemed unlikely that it could improve to such a degree that a playoff appearance was in its future.

Part of the problem, as I stated above, is McDaniels’ limitation on information leaving Dove Valley. Right or wrong, anyone can safely assume that it is difficult to get a true gauge on a team when you’re limited in your access. Logically, most first-time coaches struggle. Most people struggle the first time they do anything; that’s just how life works.

The “MSM” didn’t predict failure in Denver out of malice; they did it because that seemed to be the likeliest outcome (and, frankly, is still a possible outcome).

Lastly, I want to point out that all I’m asking for is that we focus less on the MSM and more on the team. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable request and, frankly, the above post was slightly surprising as I didn’t think my initial proposal was very vitriolic.

Go Broncos and I apologize for the verbosity.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 2:26 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great points all around, but I could care less what the msm thought of us.

The more disparaging words they say about the team, the more encouraged the team will be to show them different.

by bfree2bronc on Sep 29, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

I wonder how much the team really cares. I mean, I’m guessing they don’t do an awful lot of widespread research about much, particularly in the season. I would bet that, of the 53-man roster, 5 have a newspaper subscription.

I’m guessing the widespread opinion in the locker room is that there are certain journalists who annoy the players and certain journalists the players like, but I’m guessing the players couldn’t tell you what outlet each journalist works for.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flagged for language

Plus your shallow assertions and flawed logic. Blind loyalty? Blindly attacking? Your post is as insulting as many of the baseless MSM articles. My take is not that the MSM is biased, even though they clearly are, but that they present uneducated, uninformed, illogical, scandalous rags of opinions which many MHR members find offensive. Just as I find your post hypocritical and arrogant.

by Endzone on Sep 29, 2009 1:15 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait...

What language? I thought I edited it…

Just did a search and found ‘bs’. Apologize about that. Really didn’t mean to.

I’m not sure what you’re arguing for here, Endzone. All I’m asking is that the sweeping attacks on the MSM stop and that we focus exclusively on the team. Is that really an irrational request?

And I would love to see some semblance of evidence — just a little, itty bitty shred of evidence, really — that the media is ‘clearly’ biased, as you have said. I’m in the process of gathering a few articles from national media about the Broncos during the past 10 years.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 1:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fixed

the language. Sorry I so greatly offended you by using such vulgar language… I’m sure I couldn’t find a single post or comment on this entire site that used BS. My bad.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 1:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said....

  I´m getting tired of all the complaining as well. If you don´t like what the MSM is saying about our team, then don´t listen. Sportswriters get paid, in a roundabout way, based on how many people read their stories or click on their links. Bad writers or commentators will eventually get replaced if people stop following. I publish quite a bit and I can tell you that as a writer it is much more painful to be ignored than to be wrong.

by Coverboy on Sep 29, 2009 1:19 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s not true. I don’t know a single journalist who gets paid by the number of clicks. There are some blogs that work that way, I’m sure, but I would hardly consider them MSM.

The fact is, there isn’t a single journalist I’ve ever met who has anything to do with the finance side of the operation. In fact, in most newsrooms, the finance side of things (accounts, sales, ads and what not) are in an entirely different area of the building and, in some cases, in another building altogether.

The idea that someone like Peter King would write something exclusively to ‘sell more ads’ is incorrect. It does not work that way. I’m sure SI (as well as ESPN, TSN, Yahoo, etc) have a Code of Ethics published on their Web site that will outline what I just explained.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 1:24 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure they do; though you are correct in that it is rarely in a direct manner. But what would happen if nobody read "Monday Morning QB" for a year? Chances are that the column would be cancelled and the space used for something or somebody else. Maybe their paychecks aren´t directly related to readership, but their jobs certainly are.
   The point is that what often qualifies as "good" to a reporter is activity and readership. In some sources, the Economist and the NY Times book review come to mind, good reporting is synonymous with balanced, accurate reporting. Other sources, like Howard Stern and some of the MSM favorites mentioned here, seek to gain readership solely through shock value. The say or do things specifically to generate a response, positive or negative, in the hope of creating readership. These people don´t care whether you like their reporting or not, only that you read it.

P.S. It is interesting to me that the post was flagged for language while the 1st response was not. Who´s driving this train?

by Coverboy on Sep 29, 2009 2:25 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

First off

Let’s try and separate a few things.

Howard Stern = entertainment.

Denver Post = news source.

There is a big difference between serving a readership and drumming up unnecessary interest by making things up (something, I think, the first poster alluded to. Though, to be fair, I’m not sure what he was alluding to since it appears his grasp on the English language could best be described as ‘fluid’). If nobody read PK’s column it would get cut, but 0 readers suggests 0 interest in the topic and, I’m guessing, SI’s code of ethics includes something about serving its readership (there is probably also something about public service — newspapers report bankruptcies, for instance, not because it’s interesting, but because it’s for the good of the public).

I’m guessing John Clayton is certainly likely to try to do his best and cover the stories that are of most interest to his readers rather than try to create interest. There’s a fine line between reporting on topics of interest to readers and trying to find topics that should be of interest to readers (steroids coverage comes to mind. Most people don’t want to read about that, but at a certain point it becomes necessary to inform the public about things like that).

If this was the type of discourse we were having re: the MSM, I’d be perfectly happy with it. Civil, logical and theoretical.

However, blind accusations that someone isn’t doing their job properly and has it out for an entire organization is both ignorant and distracting (and funny. I love the concept that someone like Clayton hates the team so much that he makes it his duty to trash it on every occasion he gets. Did he bet on the Packers in 1998 and is still pissed about it? Did he have a crush on John Elway that was not reciprocated? Is he a member of PETA and is still pissed about Bowlen parading around the sidelines in a mink coat?).

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 2:41 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Did you really just take your comment posted in the “MSM:Some Ground Rules” thread and cut/paste it over here pretty much verbatim as a new post? To get more exposure, maybe? More “clicks”? You know that is considered in truly bad taste? It’s also bad taste to start a comment with “I’m going to say it again Since clearly nobody pays attention:”. Don’t talk down to us. We don’t like it. I notice that you left that part out when you cut/pasted it over in this new post. I guess you figured out that was indeed in poor taste.

I also note that Endzone cut and pasted his response verbatim. That, on the other hand, is subtle sarcasm at its best.

And in the interests of proper quality control in editing, your original comment over in the other post still contains vulgarities. That’s one problem with verbatim cut/pasting. You have to be sure to cover ALL your bases.

That said, please continue posting. Even if I don’t agree with you, you present your ideas in a clear, concise, and organized manner. I can appreciate that.

Wherever you go, there you are.

by YosemiteSam on Sep 29, 2009 1:42 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I did? I didn’t mean to post it over there, I promise. I started writing it out over there and decided to post it here instead because it was so darned long.

Apologies.

I wasn’t intending to speak down to anyone… You have to admit, though, that the level of vitriol and personal attacks can get a tad out of hand toward the media, particularly when some of them are so baseless and unfounded.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 2:28 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're fighting a losing battle.

I understand that you’re here to read about the Broncos and only the Broncos, but to many of the fans here, the way they follow and analyze their team is inextricable from the way their team is represented in the MSM (an acronym I will continue to use for its efficiency; I don’t really see what there is to hate about it) and beyond. It’s a pretty human tendency I’d say. Some people want everyone else to see what they see—MHR members see something special in this Broncos team, so it’s difficult to see a sports pundit (who in most likelihood has not done nearly as much research as those on this site) dismiss the team for surface-level reasons. Sometimes the enjoyment of sports comes directly from that sense of retribution, of knowing that we proved all the naysayers wrong. It’s like bulletin board material—teams are known to take headlines that doubt them and use the words as motivation. Why should fans not do likewise?

I strongly suggest you learn to cope with MSM references on this site. I’m not big on them either, but they’re a necessary part of sports discourse, and that won’t change no matter how modest your proposal is. If you don’t like MSM references then you should do what you want us to do—ignore it. And if it makes the site completely unreadable for you, then you should probably move on. I hope you don’t, but I just know the things you dislike won’t change; they don’t really need to.

by bowma101 on Sep 29, 2009 2:23 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Again

I’m not really sure why it’s necessary. If we were truly analyzing the MSM (I know I use it too. The problem I have with it, though, is that it’s so broad. What qualifies? The Gazette in the Springs? Daily Camera? Yahoo!?), I would have no problem with it.

But that’s not what is going on. What’s going on is that, on a daily basis, the comments and posts from staff members are filled with unnecessary snark. I can be as scathing as anyone, but what started out as a harmless level of criticism has turned into a pall over the site.

All I’m asking is that we talk about the team for one day without putting in a comment about how badly the media treats the team.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 2:32 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last comment for now

Let me say that my goal was not to antagonize people. I promise.

I was merely trying to help set us back on the correct course. If this team continues to win, it would be a crying shame to spend as much time as is spent here discussing the MSM. I’d hate to look back in the archives in 20 years at this season, hoping to re-remember the team and be subjected to 500 posts about how much of an idiot John Clayton is and how fat Bill Williamson is. I’d rather read about how much Wesley Woodyard grew as a player and how important Brian Dawkins’ addition to the team was.

And let me again apologize for my poor language. I probably swear too much and one of my goals in writing this was to come off not in an antagonizing manner. Talking about a cow’s feces didn’t help me in that goal.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 2:53 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, go take a peek

at my post over in the MSM thread regardin Mr. Dukes. It’s supposed to make you smile.

Wherever you go, there you are.

by YosemiteSam on Sep 29, 2009 2:55 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this.

Having glossed over some of the comments, I’m not sure why people are upset. Almost everyday now we have someone putting up a FanPost essentially telling the MSM to beg for our forgiveness and to suck it.

Can we as a fanbase not shut the hell up about what people are saying about us on TV or the radio or the internets and concentrate on our team? If you don’t want to hear the MSM talking any nonsense about the Broncos, then don’t listen to them. Stop watching/listening/reading and go about your life as Broncos fan and enjoy the team. If you’re looking for a place where the Broncos are continually cast in a positive light and the mood is generally upbeat at all times, YOU’RE ALREADY HERE.

Why is there some constant need for validation from the MSM? Why should John Clayton come onto ESPN and proclaim that he was wrong about the Broncos and the entire situation? What’s it going to accomplish? If Jamie Dukes wrote a letter to every Broncos fan saying how sorry he was for bashing the team during it’s most tumultuous off-season in recent memory, would THAT make you guys feel better? If this season turns out to be a smashing success and we win 10 games and make the playoffs and win a game or two, would you REALLY need the MSM talking heads to come out and say “OIMAIGAWSH WE WERE SOOOOOOO WRONG ABOUT THE BRONCOS!!!!1111OEN” ?? Couldn’t you just revel in the fact we had a great season? Can’t people just enjoy being 3-0 as we hurtle headlong into the meat of our schedule and find out the true nature of this beast we all love?

What the hell is the MSM going to do for us that we haven’t already done for ourselves?

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Sep 29, 2009 4:48 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

It's all about ACCESS

I see your bullet points amount to this: if a team establishes a new regime, it’d better give press full access or it will be badmouthed. Nice and amazingly self-serving.

by si_ice on Sep 29, 2009 7:51 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That's not what I was suggesting

It was one of many reasons why the Broncos were picked to finish poorly. I find it a little bit interesting that you chose to focus on such a minor detail.

And, like I said above: People picking a 3-13 finish (or whatever they predicted) wasn’t done out of malice. It’s not like any journalists sat at home trying to concoct reasons to write something negative about the team. Frankly, I’m guessing the bulk of the media would prefer to write positive things all of the time as that would make their job s’much easier.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The MSM (ha)

Stinks in so many ways. From them controlling politics with their redacted news, to their biased “Big Market” coverage of every sport in America. The first commenter is correct, the big media is a bunch of greedy partisan hacks.

Not all change is good, just as not all movement is forward.

by Trogdoor on Sep 29, 2009 11:46 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Unsubstantiated, baseless, broad, generalized attack on an entire group of professionals? What news do they ‘redact’?

Journalists DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH REVENUE. THEY MERELY REPORT THE NEWS.

I’ve spent more time in newsrooms than you have. I promise you that I have never encountered a journalist with a vendetta.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be OK with the msm

if they left out the predictions. Bring me solid news and not projections. The facts will aways outweigh any untruth and predicting something or projecting something is not journalism. It’s an unfounded biased opinion of one’s thoughts and that is why a lot of people get upset with. Bring the facts, the news, the truth and then their would be no hate for the msm. Jamie Dukes IMO is an enterainer not a journalist. Solomon Wilcots is an entertainer not a journalist and the list goes on. What gripes me and so many others is the biased opinion of the likes at the Denver Post. Portray the facts and leave the opinion for another column. That’s all, pretty simple huh?

by bfree2bronc on Sep 29, 2009 12:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

They hate predictions, too, by-and-large. But people want them. The readership demands them.

As far as the opinion, I suppose that’s an interesting query. Should newspapers have columnists? You’re essentially arguing that they should not. I happen to think columnists are an important part of a newsroom, but perhaps folks should examine that. I wonder, however, if that would be the opinion if Kiszla had the same “support the team no matter what” philosophy that is expressed here. I happen to think that attitude is more dangerous than criticism.

by LawrenceDavis on Sep 29, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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