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The Test of an Organization


"The true test of an organization is not how it fares one year. It's building a competitive team year after year and competing for championships. It's what Indianapolis, New England and Pittsburgh have done. It's not one year of glory. We will see how Atlanta and Miami do this year. They started fast, but can they sustain success? That is the most difficult thing to do in this business." Anonymous Head Coach, August 2009

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It may surprise the folks who adamantly believe that the people on staff of MHR are a monolithic whole and that all of us are a group of choate positivists, but that's really not the case. As a single example, I don't have any sense that the Broncos will be a team to beat in 2009. I don't even worry about whether we will reach .500 this season. We might, I hope that we do, but it isn't a concern to me. I think that there is a bigger issue.

Too often, people everywhere believe that their team must be instantly respectable or that those who are guiding the team through a major period of change aren't doing their jobs. I'm finding that to be short-sighted. I've heard a lot of statements such as, "If we don't go at least 8-8, we would have been better off keeping Shanahan," and "McDaniels has to win this year or he's going to be gone." I sympathize with those who feel this way. I don't agree. This has nothing to do with holding or not holding the team to a high standard. It has a lot to do with what I perceive a high standard to be and how I believe that you get from here to there.

Star-divide

There has been a lot of discussion centering around the performance of the Denver Broncos over the past three years. I won't belabor it, but there are a few things that I think are central to understanding just where the team was when this transition began. After all, a belief that a painful transition is required and even beneficial - a belief that I share - requires certain key elements to be true, to be worthy of the pain of acting on it. With regard to an NFL team, the qualifications to recognize in terms of needing to rebuild would go much like this:

  1. Does the performance of the team as it is structured indicate a trend towards success, a holding pattern or a trend toward failure? You don't make major changes if you're heading in the right direction. If you're treading water, finding the positives, accentuating them and reversing some negatives may be all that is required. If you're going downhill, it may be time to blow up the team and start anew.
  2. Second - Can you make wholesale changes within your current organizational model? Is the management team flexible enough and motivated enough to respond to what needs to be done?
  3. Last - Is there a plan for making change when it's required? These are the three questions that will establish what your needs are as an organization.

I. The Problem

Assessing the first question is easy: I doubt that anyone would seriously argue that the Broncos were doing well, or even holding steady. Look at the situation as it stood on defense:  Not only did our defensive points per game rise like mercury in the summer, for the past three years, there was no plan for that to change. Bob Slowik was the third new coordinator in as many years, and it was painfully obvious that he had no innate grasp of how to remedy the situation. He was Mike Shanahan's guy, yet Shanahan had already decided to keep him another year. The roster was threadbare. Special teams were among the worst in the league, and all the fans heard about was the beautiful computer models that the ST coach was creating while their production was among the worst in the league.

And offense? Despite the '2nd in the league' story of offensive yardage, we had a lot of problems. The O line was great but Jay Cutler wasn't progressing, the running back position was decimated by scheme long before it was decimated by injuries and after the first 3 games, the Broncos weren't even scoring points. Red zone play was terrible and Cutler had too many turnovers in the RZ (7 plus a fumble that Hoculi gave him back). Wide receiver was looking pretty good, but our scoring was mediocre at best and more importantly - there was a palpable sense that no one was minding the store. Why was a young, inexperienced quarterbacks coach even calling the plays? Was Mike Shanahan even paying attention?What was going on?

The second point in the numbered list above is essential - Mike Shanahan wasn't making good changes. He made a lot of them, but they tended to be ineffective - the revolving door at defensive coordinator, the fliers we took on free agents and in the draft, the promotion of Jeremy Bates and the terrible special teams play were starting to show an uncomfortable sameness. After he toured other programs this summer, Shanahan was mentioned as looking into learning again, developing new approaches and doing the kinds of things that he hadn't done for years - and it showed, in his performance and the team's, that he hadn't. Few coaches are successful after a decade in the same place.

That led to the third issue - at no point in the past few years did I ever get a sense that Mike was clear on both where we were going and how we would get there. If that doesn't come from the head coach, it doesn't come into fruition. Bill Walsh, who took a 2-14 SF 49ers organization and turned it into a perennial contender and repeat Super Bowl champion, had a few rules that apply here. He said:

  • Mold, refine and re-define the job you have.
  • Skill, tradition of the organization you work for…Marines fight for Marines, no matter who they are. Develop a foundation for the organization; how we do things is critical.
  • Do not expect players to be leaders. You must make sure that you develop the leaders. It’s an extension of you -- promote from within.
  • Involve everyone in making the decision. Make sure everyone has an opinion. You must be a good listener
  • Must be able to exact detail from everyone in the organization. Must be a network of longevity.

By these standards, the Broncos were in deep trouble. Given all of this information, Pat Bowlen made a tough decision. He decided to fire a well-respected coach and a personal friend.

II. The Change

At this point, a couple of facts of human life come into play. The first is this - everyone has an opinion. No matter what Pat Bowlen did, a lot of fans were going to dislike it. Mike Shanahan did a lot of great things with the Denver Broncos organization, but he hadn't done anything remotely great since 2005. The ship of state appeared to be drifting, the players were uninspired and the locker room was getting downright ugly, especially on defense, where players felt slighted and poorly used. Bowlen's decision was to bring on a young man who had unusually deep experience in coaching - Josh McDaniels.

The second deals with certain specifics of the process of creating change. This isn't about what particular changes have been made so far. There's no point in rehashing people's opinions about what has been done and what hasn't, who was and wasn't 'right' or what someone would do instead. In the final analysis - the person at the top has to implement the changes to the organization that he deems necessary to turn the ship around. People do not like change. It challenges their assumptions, it feels out of control and it always is - that's the nature of change. Change isn't simple and it isn't neat. It's messy. People will react to it. They will feel threatened by it. And, inevitably, the human ego-mind will rise to the forefront.

After one change in the organization, a fan wrote me and said, "I don't know what's wrong with this guy. You or I wouldn't have made that mistake!" I wrote back and agreed.  We would have made a slew of other ones instead. I ran companies for most of my professional life, and one thing I became clear on was this: If you're at the helm, when you make decisions, many people will assure themselves that they would do things differently. They would, too. They will also assure themselves that their decisions would have worked out better than yours, which is debatable. And they will make the inevitable mistakes that people in new situations make, just like you do. But while they would ask for understanding and support for themselves, those same folks aren't going to give any to you. It's just the nature of mind-ego, and it hasn't changed since the first tribe had a conflict of leadership that was settled with a handy rock.

But when you make a change, you have to accept both problems and successes as part of the package. If a team goes through a crisis that requires wholesale change, it will be a rare situation that will suddenly and magically turn all around. You can't have a long memory in the leadership business. You have to accept your own human frailties and move on after each decision is made. I love Bill Walsh and all he gave football, but he also suffered terribly because he truly, deeply cared about what other people said about him and what was printed in the media. Josh McDaniels has said that he doesn't read the papers or other forms of the media. He really doesn't care what people think. He's hired to do a job to the best of his abilities. He's going to do just that. From an organiizational theory viewpoint he's done a lot of very good things, but that isn't going to convince anyone who dislikes him or disagrees with his decisions. And that's fine. The measure of his success will be his W-L record in 2010 and 2011 and that means that a lot of folks will stay angry during 2009.

III. 2009


That brings us to this season. I don't tend to do much predicting. My crystal ball is permanently at the shop and I don't read minds nor tea leaves. The factors that will dictate wins and losses in November will be very different from what we might project right now. They will be affected by injuries that haven't manifested yet, both ours and our opponents. They will be affected by which games we lose and win between now and them, by trials and benefits in each organization that haven't yet occurred. But here's what matters most to me.

I believe that the Broncos were a team on their way to the cellar.

The players were disheartened, especially on defense. The schemes on both offense and defense were often strange and lacked apparent cohesion. There seemed to be gaps in the coaching on both offense and defense (particularly between Bates and Cutler, on offense) that didn't bode well for the future. We lacked a coherent strategy for changing our direction and seemed to float on the wind with regard to coaching. There was no over-arcing approach that the organization could hold on to or stick to. Now, for better or worse, there is.

Coach McDaniels brought in some extremely good coaches. Wayne Nunnely, as an example, has seen it all and he's a treasure. Mike Nolan has already brought a different theory, formation, scheme and attitude to the defense. The scheme that Coach McDaniels used on offense in New England has been one of the most productive in football, but NE didn't suddenly and magically have a great team. They had to build it. The Broncos' organization has brought in capable veterans. Some folks won't like any approach to the draft, but there's early evidence that players like Knowshon Moreno, Darcel McBath, Richard Quinn, David Bruton and even Tom Brandstater will work out well. I have yet to hear a good argument that our current roster isn't a big improvement over last season's. Sure, there will be arguments on certain players and deals that have occurred, but overall? Overall, we have more talent on the roster. We've jettisoned some bad contracts and some bad players. We've gotten bigger, tougher and more physical.

I've heard a lot of people assert, rightfully, that you have to build through the draft. I agree, but doing so takes years and most of those same folks want to see wins this year. I do too, but it's hard to have both. You have to bring in payers who can contribute right away. You have to replace them, over time, with young talent, players who will be better at their jobs and who will fit the scheme even better. You can reasonably ask for 4-6 good players per draft and with a team of 53, that's a lot of drafting. NFL coaches don't have long to show results. Asking too much, too fast, has killed a lot of teams.

My own feeling is that people need to be a little more realistic. A bad game or two (especially if it's preseason) isn't a reason to jump off a bridge. You don't jump from one approach to another - that's how we got into this mess. If you're a coach, you have to work with the players you have, develop them and have faith in the system. It takes time. There are no shortcuts.You have to take a group of man who have never worked together. They need to get to know each other, trust each other and believe in themselves as a group. There are no simple answers.

If you're a fan, it's your life and it's your liver. Passion is beautiful. Too frequent complaining and too much anger are hard on the heart and bad for the health and don't help anyone much. Patience is a virtue, but it's often a rarity. If you expect a team with this much change to be good immediately, I think that you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Excellence takes time, effort and consistency. It won't happen quickly. There are things that are happening quickly, though. HT noted a few of them in the comments to his (danged brilliant) 5-2 article:

  • Much less missed tackles,
  • Much less over pursuit,
  • Much more effort.

These aren't small differences. They go beyond scheme and into the realm of pure coaching. They are among the things that we've lacked and that needed to be changed.They will give us better chances to win in the future.

We've needed to accept that the only way to turn a team around in the short run is to improve the schemes, improve the coaching and to bring in a lot of free agents. Free agency is  a poor approach to overall team building but we were left with little choice, really. With such disparate defensive schemes as Larry Coyers', Jim Bates' and Bob Slowik's, you aren't going to have much of a nucleus of players to work with and that was true. The cupboard was bare. That's a huge problem that isn't going to be solved in one offseason. There are going to be gaps in our rebuilding this year and other teams are going to exploit them.

We now have new schemes on offense, defense and special teams. It takes time to learn them, to produce within them and to excel at them.  The defense already looks better than last year, which is faint praise but true. The offensive scheme is one of the most complex in football and it won't emerge overnight (And yes, it's a lot more than screen passes and dumpoffs). Look at what NE did even with Matt Cassel at the helm.Complex offenses don't evolve overnight, and you can't teach them overnight, either. Different players are going to make mistakes each week as they are mastering the schemes and their responsibilities in them.

Pat Bowlen has already mentioned publicly that they've talked about the possibility of a slow start to the season, they recognize what it could mean and they are going to move forward. I suspect that the Broncos fans may go ballistic if it happens. I won't. I know that creating long term change is difficult. It's messy. You're going to be questioned, disliked, hated and reviled, but that if you're the head of a team, you can't listen and you can't let it dictate your decisions. You have to look within yourself and make the decisions, accept that some will be right and some wrong and move forward. If you're a fan, seeing that might make this process a little less painful.

When Bill Belichick took over the New England Patriots, he would frequently say, "We're not assembling talent. We're building a team." It's a good point.  You really are as good as your worst players. Developing that kind of depth requires time. Bill Walsh went 2-14 in his first season with the 49ers, but he won the Super Bowl two years after that. Bill Belichick had a 5-11 record in his first season with the now-perennial playoff contender squad in New England. Personally, I'm looking at a similar season for the Broncos.  I'd be glad if I'm wrong, but if I'm right, it doesn't dishearten me.

There's been a saying going around that if we don't at least reach 8-8, there was no reason to make these changes. My own feeling is that if a few calls had been accurate last season, we would have gone 5-11, not 8-8. That kind of production is a very good reason to create wholesale change. It's unreasonable to expect those kinds of gifts to flow from the officiating two season in a row. If we end up 5-11, we'll be maintaining the same level of production for this season. If we do better than that, we're going to be accomplishing two things - stopping the slide we were in, and turning around our momentum. It won't be easy.

I'll be looking toward December more than anything. If you can see an improvement in the way we play later in the season, there is a huge change in the wind. Keep in mind our record over the past three Decembers - 1-3 last year, 2-3 in 2007 and 2-3 in 2006. We were a team that started well and failed miserably. We need to grow, develop and improve over the course of the season. It's something we haven't done in a few years. 

We might look at something that's been happening in San Diego. They have been starting out poorly, perhaps reading their own press clippings and then settling down, stiffening up as the season goes on. That's one big reason that they've been winning the division. Some Super Bowl winners have started 1-3, 1-4, but they finished strongly. Arizona had a mediocre year in 2008, but they got hot when it counted and went to the SB as a wildcard team. How you play in winter dictates what direction you are moving in as a team. If we play .500 ball in December of this year, we'll have improved on our late season record of each year since 2005. That should give every fan a little pause.

There's nothing tougher than change. It challenges our beliefs, summons our most fearful thoughts and can always - always - go wrong on you. You can't know if you're on the right track in preseason - they don't count those games for a reason. Detroit goes 4-0 in preseason because no one else really cares if they win. You can't know if you're making the right changes in the first quarter or even the first half of your first season. Some of the best teams in history had lousy first seasons under new coaches and they, too, heard the boos, the demands for their heads and the bitter complaints of the fans who knew in their hearts that they could do better than the bum on the sidelines. Josh McDaniels isn't the first and he won't be the last.

When Belichick took over in New England, he had a few things going for him. One was that no one expected instant results that would manifest in the wins column. You rarely make wholesale changes in coaching, personnel and scheme and expect a quick improvement i the record - it isn't usually going to happen, and it places an unrealistic burden on the new order. Broncos fans aren't used to losing and they shouldn't be, but this season might be an exception. Will Bowlen fire McDaniels if they have a bad season? I doubt it. Will people scream, yell and curse his name? A lot of them are already doing that now, so there won't be that much of a difference if they do.  But are those expectations of instant success reasonable? I'd argue that they're not. If the fans don't give the new systems a chance to develop, they'll be working themselves up for nothing. McDaniels is here for 2-3 years at the least.

By the way, Coach Belichick also had a degree in economics. He understood the 'new order' of the NFL with the salary cap better than nearly any other coach, and it's shown. While some folks have tried to dismiss Brian Xanders as a 'nobody', 'unimportant' and 'a tool', he's an expert on the cap and on contracts. Every team in the modern era has or needs such a person.  Coaches coach, and general managers handle personnel matters, by which I mean the negotiation of contracts and the management of the cap.  Xanders is well suited to the job and has been highly regarded in that respect around the league (there's no shortage of articles mentioning this, for those who want to look a little more closely). That's also in the Broncos favor. In an era where one bad contract can hamstring a club for half a decade, contracts are an essential ingredient in brewing a winner. If you look at history, becoming a winning franchise, a perennial playoff contender, is a job that takes at least 2-3 seasons.

How you see this is an individual thing. I wouldn't presume to tell someone else how to see the situation. I'm just telling you how I see it. More often than not, it's been my experience that people show a projection of other things in their personality when they decide how to respond to change, but as fans we have every right to cheer, to boo and to let our feelings be known. But I will say this - try to keep a sense of history. Big changes offer big challenges and huge opportunities. Don't give in to your greatest fears, your inner demons or a rampaging mind-ego. Try to find a sense of comfort. It isn't all bad. I promise you that it could be worse.

We could be sitting here and debating the oncoming season including Bob Slowik's role in it. We could be running a scheme that isn't a 5-2, 3-4 or even a realistic 4-3. Jeremy Bates could be calling the plays on offense. Nate Webster could be starting at middle linebacker. Think about that.  Now, realize that it's only a bad dream.

Doesn't that feel better?

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The voice of reason once again my friend!

I wish I could find something to debate with you in this post, but we seem to see things the same way. Getting older has given me a lot more patience and perspective. Give this organization some time and I think we’ll be able to say “I told you so back in 2009!”

Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein

by Ponderosa on Sep 3, 2009 2:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent

This was an excellent piece. I believe it is spot on and I wish some of the “Bronco Fans” I’ve talked to – one in particular – would read this with an open mind.

We were not a good team last year of the year before. We were getting worse with no apparent change on the horizon.

Excellent work…

"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge

by SSMT on Sep 3, 2009 2:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Read!

Wow…thank you! I suddenly feel light and peaceful…BRING ON THE REGULAR SEASON!!

There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now

by sirsam on Sep 3, 2009 2:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

what's that sound?

that’s the sound of peace.

Rec’d

"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu

by Joe Medina on Sep 3, 2009 2:45 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

that last paragraph is hilarious

easiest rec of the month!

One thing you don’t mention regarding managing expectations is that McD himself has laid down a “I’ve never been under .500 at any level” gauntlet.

by CoastalBronco on Sep 3, 2009 2:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

This needs to be on the front page...

There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now

by sirsam on Sep 3, 2009 2:51 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Outstanding article.

I have bits and pieces of many posts floating through my head. Of course at my age, retaining any of them long enough to work them into tomorrows radom thoughts is a chore failed at more often than not.

But this touches on many of them and I found myself just noddding my head up and down a lot as I read this. Wonderful effort and rec’d of course.

"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers

by AlanC11 on Sep 3, 2009 2:54 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Got goosebumps reading this one

Start the damned season already. ;-)

by ShawnDenver on Sep 3, 2009 2:57 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Incredible, Bear!

What a reasoned take on the future of this team. If the patient approach continues, this may be a team that no one wants to play in November and December.

As AlanC11 commented, I also found that my head was nodding up and down as I read your post, twice. At my age, I actually didn’t nod off, either!

Thanks, Bear! Double rations of Salmon! Rec’d of course.

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Sep 3, 2009 3:03 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Bravo!

"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton

by diviesti on Sep 3, 2009 3:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

rec'd
We need to grow, develop and improve over the course of the season. It’s something we haven’t done in a few years.

Or the entire Mike Shanahan era, even the Superbowl years.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Sep 3, 2009 3:28 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree with you...

Though I tend to get shouted down when I talk about how bad the broncos are going to do this year.

The problem that I see with your scenario is…I don’t know if the coach believes it.

I think we all recognized that the ‘08 broncos were a mess that needed to be rebuilt. I’m pretty sure that we all would have given the new coach time to do that right…including some mediocre years till it got done.

But McDaniels won’t let us. He has gone on the record to say.

" We are not rebuilding."
“I am not here to build a culture, I am here to win games.”

I would love to believe that he is here to build team like Belicheck or Walsh did…but he just won’t let me.

I am afraid that the man honestly drinks enough of his own Koolaid to believe that he can rebuild a team in one year with just a change in system. That is my biggest fear…

by miner00 on Sep 3, 2009 3:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a fair point Miner...

  and quite a dilemna. For any coach to concede they are rebuilding tends to create a perception that they know their team will not be good. That perception among the players can create a self-fulfilling prophecy that they’re just not good enough and will dramatically impcat their performance especially in tight situations. IMHO MCdaniels knows that they aren’t as good as they will be or in some cases need to be but he’s also smart enough to know that his best chance for optimizing this teams performance is to expect them to perform at their very best and coach them accordingly. There’s also the element of being able to attract better players to consider. Do you really think a top player wants to go to a team that is “rebuilding” ? I definitely understand your concern but trust me when I say I’d much rather have a leader who walks on the field expecting to win every game than one who concedes defeat in advance. Is he putting the pressure on himself by making statements like"i’ve never had a losing season" ? absolutely and it may very well become his downfall as far as fan credibility or even cost him his job. But I can tell you this as an evaluator of leadership talent for over 20 years, that’s the kind of guy you want to go to battle with.

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Sep 3, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

Great point

Look at how many coaches in any sport will try and deflect the heat from the team to themselves. It is not a case of ego, more of managing a set of situations. Consequently McDaniels puts the pressure on himself as coach and not the players by his statement. A real mark of leadership in my book.

I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet

by BlobTheMagnificent on Sep 4, 2009 5:02 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

The coach can’t say he is planning to lose…but there are ways to avoid making winning the only metric.

There is a reason that “one game at a time” is a cliche…it truly is the mantle of the rebuilding team.

IMO – He would have been better served to say:

 "I’m not making any predictions for this year. We will prepare for each game individually and I expect to see this team get better every week.

We’ve got a tough schedule this year and we know that most weeks we will be underdogs. I tell you what, those teams better not look past us because I plan to take some bites out of the favorites.

If you want to put a metric on wins…I wan to win more games in the last month of the year than I do in the first month."

Any of these statements would be acceptable for a team in our position and would emphasize the progress that we should expect during the regular season. Setting up expectations for the playoffs this year is just crazy. A team can be extremely motivated in the underdog role where they aren’t expecting to win every game.

I played on a number of crappy teams, and I can tell you that when the coach played it as McD seems to be, the season went down the tubes in a hurry. When the coach played up the underdog role though, it created an Us against the world mentality that really brought the teams together.

Again, just my opinion.

by miner00 on Sep 4, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

As a coach...

You can’t go in to a game or season saying you are planning to lose. It sets the wrong expectation. Settling for anything other than a win is unacceptable. As a team you will lose and you have to learn and move forward from that, but you can’t settle or expect to lose.

by jayrocksd on Sep 3, 2009 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cut him some slack.

Detroit has just come off a winless season, they are without a doubt ‘rebuilding’, but does that mean that Jim Schwartz is not trying to win football games. Haley and Cable must know that their teams aren’t going to win the superbowl this year, does that mean they aren’t trying to win games. As McDaniels said himself there are 32 teams trying to win football games and 32 HCs whose job it is to win football games.

If he declared this to be a ‘rebuilding year’, people would damn him for not intending to win, but when he says he wants to win know and is working towards that people still damn him for not building a team. Why is it that intending to building a team and intending to win games mutually exclusive?

by Timimus on Sep 3, 2009 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant article, Bear

Thank you very much.

This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624

by solace on Sep 3, 2009 3:34 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Bear, seriously...

You need to be making money for this level of writing. This one in particular should be paid attention to by the preseason prognosticators. and rec’d of course.

There’s nothing tougher than change. It challenges our beliefs, summons our most fearful thoughts and can always – always – go wrong on you. You can’t know if you’re on the right track in preseason – they don’t count those games for a reason.

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Sep 3, 2009 3:36 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I read nearly every DP and RMN article on the Broncos for 45 years

and never did the quality of writing come close to what we see on the MHR. broncobear, Zappa, stug50, HT, and of course Guru are outstnding thinkers and writers. We here on the MHR are just plain lucky to have such a site. Tip of the old firstfan cap to Guru, the staff and all of the posters and contributors to this site. Goos comment asinsoin

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Sep 3, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is supposed to be good comment.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Sep 3, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shanahan's offense

Bear wrote: “And offense? Despite the ‘2nd in the league’ story of offensive yardage, we had a lot of problems. The O line was great but Jay Cutler wasn’t progressing,…”
After reading this I went and checked the stats. Cutler’s first year as a full time starter he threw 20 TD’s—13th in the NFL 2007. Last year he threw 25 TD’s—7th best in the NFL 2008. That looks like progression to me. How many running backs did Denver go through last year, and their rushing still ranked 12th in the NFL for TD’s. In 2007 Denver ranked 20th in the NFL for rushing TD’s. I’ll agree on the red zone—not good and the defense was horrible. Shanahan’s offense was progressing—stats don’t lie.

by lars94 on Sep 3, 2009 3:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Will you do a quick bit of math for me?

Instead of just pointing out how many TD per year as growth, will you divide number of pass attempts by number of touchdowns for each year?

This will reflect the number, on average, of pass attempts it took for Jay to throw a touchdown.

by Mhantra on Sep 3, 2009 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Answer:

In 2008, he passed 616 times, for 25 touchdowns.

He needed 24.64 passes to throw a touchdown.

In 2007, he passed 467 times and had 20 touchdowns.

He threw a touchdown every 23.35 attempts.

Now, those are fairly close, but still, it is a regression, or at least, stagnancy.

(now if anyone else wants to play “color-me-with-stats!” they can factor in drops in the end zone, for example…stats are fun!)

by Mhantra on Sep 3, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicley done, Mhantra

My point was actually this – jay didn’t improve in several ways. He continued to lock on a primary receiver, he threw into heavy coverage, he had an unconscionably high number of red zone turnovers – including not one but two phantom fumbles, where not one even touched him – and he seemed to rattle when he made a mistake, unable to focus. I commented on these at the time – this isn’t revisionist history.

But i the final analysis, Pat Bowlen went before the media and said, “I decided to trade Jay Cutler”. Not Coach McD or Xanders and anyone else. Jay disrespected a man who has done more for football in Denver than Jay can imagine and it was a danged shame, but that was Jay’s choice and Pat’s choice in response. It’s time to put it behind us and move one.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

How many PATT per TD did Orton get in the last two full seasons he played?

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Sep 3, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

PATT?

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orton Pass ATTempts

Kyle Orton in:
2008— he passed 465 times for 18 touchdowns
He needed 25.83 passes to throw a touchdown in 15 games

2007— he passed 80 times for 3 touchdowns
He needed 26.66 passes to throw a touchdown—but only played 3 games

2006—no stats

2005—he passed 368 times for 9 touchdowns
He needed 40.88 passes to throw a touchdown in 15 games

by lars94 on Sep 3, 2009 6:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So,

Jay had to throw one more pass to get a TD in 2008 than in 2007, while

Kyle had to throw about 1 less (and 15 less than he did in his first year)?

Not that much can be made out of it, but it’s a tad interesting.

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Sep 3, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Run friendly vs pass friendly

Differences in offensive schemes. This would make a difference in those types of states. Cutler was in an offense that was better suited. to his throwing abilities. His problem was locking in one reciever and forcing throws into coverage. Orton had very little support as far as WR talent goes. This makes a difference also.

by papasteven on Sep 3, 2009 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention

His O line was porous, to put it politely

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats ALWAYS never tell the whole truth

Thats the great thing about sports and stats, you can have an opinion and always find some stat somewhere that supports it. I once took 5 years of 50 different stats from NFL games, ran them through a statistical analysis and found that Offensive penalty yards was the most important stat of the 50 in terms of splitting winning teams from losing teams. Using that stat I can say that teaching your O-line to not hold during the game is the best way for a coach to turn a losing team around. Somehow I think a few people might disagree with me….

by gOOn on Sep 3, 2009 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree...

not after the pre-season against the Bears. Those O-line penatlies killed all our drives.

"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com

by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 3, 2009 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally awesome, bear

thanks for the extremely well worded analysis.

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Sep 3, 2009 3:54 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

phenomenal post... i actually feel smarter after reading it

a simple rec doesn’t seem like enough, but there it is…

"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington

by Broncs Cheer on Sep 3, 2009 4:04 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Factors...
“The factors that will dictate wins and losses”

Hmm, you mean like how loud I can scream at the TV, or how I wear my hate or shirt or where I sit in accordance with the light? There are many…many factors that go into me helping the Broncos win games. I have failed at my duty in recent years, but I will try harder to find the right combo in 2009! You can count on me Pat Bowlen!!

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Sep 3, 2009 4:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Be careful

how you wear your hate, Zappa. It doesn’t look good on you.

"Remember, it's only a game."

by robswenson on Sep 3, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hate...I was thinking about change...

I do hate change. More so in politics since that kind of change is always lined with bullshit.

I believe we are rebuilding, but doing so much in the same way KC did last year. Except we didn’t get rid of all of our best players…only some. :P

hate=hat in any case. lol

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Sep 3, 2009 4:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hate doesn't look good on anyone.

Especially when it’s directed at our Broncos by our ownb fans. :)

by Dwhite on Sep 3, 2009 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another outstanding article

with implications far beyond football. It’s deep treatise on organisational development, in my opinion.

I’m not sure what “choate positivists” in the second paragraph meant, though.

But I did laugh out load at the final paragraph. Thank you!

"Remember, it's only a game."

by robswenson on Sep 3, 2009 4:39 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Choate is a synonym for well organized. while positivists are just – positive. But for the record – it’s what it often takes to turn around a franchise going in the wrong direction and the evidence that we were is, to me, overwhelming.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 4:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent - love to improve my vocabulary

Inchoate, as in “incompletely formed” shows up in all my dictionaries, but none of them even mention choate. I don’t have an OED though, which probably would.

Once a person said to me “I remember you, we’ve dialogued” (as in exchanged emails). I responded “Wow, you’ve just verbed a noun.” Isn’t language fun. George Carlin and Emo Philips make such a game of it.

"Remember, it's only a game."

by robswenson on Sep 3, 2009 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's in the online dictonary

If you got to it and then click ‘Thesaurus’ you get the synonyms. It’s odd that they have a lot of them but hardly any definition, but that’s life. The root word comes from a man’s name, etc, etc…..

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Carlin Football vs. Baseball

is absoluterly outstanding. I use it in toastmasters to illustrate the power of vocal variety. The man was a master.

It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09

by firstfan on Sep 3, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot to mention...

That change can be exciting, can bring out passion, and I’m hoping to see some of that passion in the fan base at the that stadium that has been way too quiet of late.

by gOOn on Sep 3, 2009 4:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW Bear...Really impressive

I am really at peace with whatever happens this year…

But I still want me some 13-3 Baby (until otherwise reported)

by BroncoSense72 on Sep 3, 2009 5:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done....

New member here. Bear this an exceptional post, and I think you have highlighted some very important points. Shanahan, and I am a fan of the man who banished the Broncos Super Bowl demons , had been assembling talent, maybe from day one, and not building a true team. The coaching in recent years, especially on defense, was horrible. You need only look as far as the blowouts and their inability, in stretches, to get the right defensive personnel on and off the field. McDaniels clearly has a plan, has assembled a great coaching staff, and has brought in players that I feel much more comfortable with on and off the field. I hope there is enough success and patience all around, so I can see this thing play out for a few seasons. Oh, and I almost spit beer all over my laptop when you mentioned Webster. I am so so glad he is no longer manning the middle for us.

by OrangeandBlue27 on Sep 3, 2009 5:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Welcome!

Glad that you enjoyed it, my friend. Yes, when someone starts to talk about why we shouldn’t have changed, I like to mention Slowik/Webster and watch their eyes change….

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

welcome, keep on posting.

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Sep 3, 2009 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks and did you hear .....

a recent interview with Dre Bly—yeah yeah I know he could have played better? I believe it was on Sirius NFL Radio. He basically said the Broncos didn’t have the personnel to run Slowik’s system, but Slowik didn’t adjust to their talents. On the same station, Champ also alluded to there being little accountability or effort to correct the same mistakes that were being made over and over again. I can’t imagine those little details were lost on Pat Bowlen.

by OrangeandBlue27 on Sep 3, 2009 5:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

on the topic of change

a tongue in cheek website markets a poster with the following inscription:

“Change (Winds): When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can turn into deadly projectiles "

Sounds kinda like what’s been happening to us, huh?

Once again, BB, terrifically awesome post. Wish I could rec it more than once.

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Sep 3, 2009 5:29 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Bear, you are a gift to MHR - Thank You!

I’d rather have the shock of blowing everthing up now, and suffer through the growing pains of building from scratch knowing we are actually truly addressing the problems, than slowly suffocate from inevitable mediocrity that we, with our orange-colored glasses, didn’t want to see because it was so much easier to believe we were only one or two pieces away…
What finally sobered me was what, I imagine, finalized things for Bowlen. In a weak division with a weak schedule and the playoffs gifted to us by our only true divisional competition, we still couldn’t get it done. Watching the lack of fire from our players was stomach churning. If ever I become nervous about this change, then I’ve only to remember our home game that cold cold November Sunday against the Raiders. No, Bear. Give me the growing pains of 2009 if it means we are doing just that…GROWING. Give me a losing season now with promise for 2010, rather than the illusion of mediocrity that was 2008.

"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com

by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 3, 2009 5:34 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks Bear!

I’m very excited for this organization’s future. We fans are going to have a “contender” to cheer for year in and year out.

by chopperpilot on Sep 3, 2009 5:54 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, CK

That’s a great comment, and I rec’d it. You’re so right – we weren’t even mediocre. We set a record for futility. It’s not a nice thing for the fans.

It’s hard to go through change and few people seem to enjoy it much, but we have to to get to the other side. Thanks to you, too, chopper!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 5:55 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Love the article

This line:
Do not expect players to be leaders. You must make sure that you develop the leaders. It’s an extension of you — promote from within.

Very true, in sports organizations, other organizations—anywhere really.

Only qualm I had (and I apologize in advance—I cannot help myself) was:

“Much less missed tackles”

Should be “many fewer missed tackles”.

"according to the map, we've only gone 4 inches"

by MikeD55 on Sep 3, 2009 6:15 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I never edit the Prof

lol. HT’s too valuable for me to be a nebbish, but of course, you’re right.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 6:20 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Posts like this keep me coming back

I had to break down and register. I love the stuff on MHR because of posts like yours. Well done, well written, reasonable and rational. You and others present a lot of great information I’ve never considered or thought about. I’m far from a football expert.

I find it refreshing to finally find a spot that is educational, spirited, and respectful. Although, I have to say I’m sick of the labels of koolaid and derogatory comments from the pessimists. The majority of disagreements here respect the other persons opinion. That’s awesome and I’m learning or re-learning a number of things.

Nice work.

by RealismReigns on Sep 3, 2009 6:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, RR

Great to have you on the site, my friend. You’re hardly alone on your feelings on the labeling phenomena. That kind of shorthand shows a short mind as well. Good to have you here

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, Bear

I love your work, as usual. However, I have trouble with one point. I don’t recall whether it was you or not, but someone posted with some regularity about last season being year 3 in a 5-year rebuilding process for Shanahan. I had totally bought into that (come to think of it, I’m pretty sure it was Guru). To say now that we were headed in the totally wrong direction leaves me feeling sadly mislead. I wish I knew enough about football not to follow the ideas of others, but I really thought we were all on the same page with the rebuilding idea. Am I wrong? Or did we all just immediately begin to justify every disappointing change this offseason?

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Sep 3, 2009 6:32 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't me

Actually, it wouldn’t be. I don’t think that in today’s world, you can take more than 3 years to rebuild. The outcome of the situation was that we continued to quickly get much worse on defense and offense had some bothersome holes as well (including red zone performance). I think we’d waited as long as was reasonable. The team had stopped responding, the big blowouts were becoming too common and it was time to make a change. We did.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is precisely correct

if you recall, one of the more accepted premises on this board was the “we’re in a 3-5 year rebuilding stage”. Interesting how that’s never brought up anymore and now it was so quite clear and elementary that whole-sale change be made. Riiight….

Our offense had all the makings of a dominant, for the ages kind of offense. And under MS, that offense was rebuilt in 3 years. I think the original premise, that after 2005, the team had to be completely rebuilt, can be well supported and accepted.

It sort of changes how you look at our record from 06-08.

Interesting that MS gets blamed for bieng a poor GM when you look at the young talent he drafted offensively.

if he had been given the chance he deserved to see this thing through, I’d fully expect that he could have built a defense good enough to complement an offense that was going to be on of the best in the game.

by rururuland784 on Sep 3, 2009 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I recall the idea about the 3-5 year rebuilding stage

it was based off the premise that our offensive talent was set, but our defense was still to be completed. I never fully bought into that idea because I never really thought our offense was “there” by any means. There always seemed to be a discrepancy between what I thought the O was capable of, and how they actually performed on the field.

In hindsight, I almost think those first three games of 2008, where our Offense looked nearly unstoppable, were more the function of surprise than pure talent. After those three games, the other teams caught up with us, and we were never able to adapt. In 7 games that season we scored under 20 points. In 11 games we scored under 25 points. To me, that does not sound like an offense with all the makings of a “for the ages” unit. It looks like a unit that started strong then petered off once other teams figured out how to counter us.

The common maxim of football is that it takes 3 years for a player to finally be comfortable in the game, for the plays to be purely instinctual and less intellectual. Well, 2008 was year 3 for a lot of our key players and as the season wore on, I saw no signs of improvement. I saw regression on all sides of the ball.

Sorry, but I think the Broncos in the middle and the end of the season were more reflective of how the team really was and where they were headed. It wasn’t a dominant offense marred by a terrible defense. It was a mediocre O, still terrible D, and reprehensible ST. Just my opinion.

by bowma101 on Sep 4, 2009 1:54 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd Bear, Great points

Appreciate your effort and insight.

I think that there are going to be many tests for McDaniels this year, who he deals with these tests will shape his career here in Denver. If he is able to stand by his principles despite the constant stream of negativity and second guessing then i think he will have gone a long way towards maturing as a NFL head coach..

^^ That is me pretending i have an idea what it takes to be a HC.. realistically that is not the case…

I’m not as worried as some others seem to be about this season.. but really could things be any worse than this offseason.. i mean there will actually be football to watch to take our minds of all the drama!

I expect teething pains for a new team with newly gelling players and new scheme but i am optimistic because i like you like the direction we are heading!

by HorseStance on Sep 3, 2009 6:41 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

unbelievably excellent

I am THIS close to mailing you some salmon….

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 3, 2009 6:56 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

erm...

you may want to be VERY vigilant about checking your mail….

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 3, 2009 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get closer....

lol

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well done.

like was mentioned above this is what brings me back.

Highly Rec’d of course

by papasteven on Sep 3, 2009 7:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmmm.... excellent and provocative!!!

Provocative in that there are soooooo many of your paragraphs I wanted to respond to and excellent because I totally agree in so many ways…. I disagree in a few insignificant things but I have to say that overall I have never felt so comfortable with change!!! Question if your still watching this thread? How would you have felt if Shanny had dumped the DC and got Nolan? Do you still think this squad would have sucked that bad? I think I know what you will say before you say it!!!!! Cuz I am kinda thinking that way too now. Thanks and by the way, that is the longest post I have ever read all the way through!!!! My son has gone through a whole Sponge Bob episode while I was reading and re-reading!!!

"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam

by lovewatchinthegame on Sep 3, 2009 9:49 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that's insightful, lwtg

I’m not at all convinced that if Mike had taken any of several opportunities to change and to initiate effective change, that he still would have had to go. I do think, however, that he had to drop his obsession with being GM, VP, Prez and all around everything. He wasn’t going to, and that ultimately was his downfall.

I’ve said it before – No one is good at everything. Mike wasn’t a good GM. He had poor instincts as far as personnel, and he never let go enough to let someone else (like Jim Goodman) handle the GM duties. Sad. I loved much of Mike’s work.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

I have lamented the passing of “Mike the coach” at least when it comes to the offense and I too wonder what could be… but after reading your post I am more convinced than ever that change… big change was needed… yet while change can be so painful in the moment it can be so amazingly liberating in the end… I have experienced so much painful change… but I would never, ever, take it back… it was change and pain that needed to take place…thank you for your post in so many ways… it has reminded me of who I am and who I want to want to be. Not just as a Denver Bronco Fan but really as a human being… a father… a husband… and a friend… the moment does not matter the memories do…. you only remember the best of times anyway why be a part of the bad!!! Props to MHR

"even a stopped clock is right twice a day" Yosemite Sam

by lovewatchinthegame on Sep 3, 2009 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

This seems like a PR piece

which is understandeable given the role this board has in the fanbase in general and the scrutiny that the team is in and in for. But while I agree with some of the points, I disagree with many others.

There’s no question that changes of some sort had to be made after last year. And I think it’s clear that from a cultural stand-point positive changes were made. However, the notion that this this offense wasn’t going in an extremely positive direction is offensive. The ppg stuff and red-zone deficiencies are often cited by those who were, are have become, extemely favorable to the new regime. But that logic if flawed for many reasons I don’t have the space to respond with.

by rururuland784 on Sep 3, 2009 10:25 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't do PR

Your opinion is your own business, but you’re being rude. One of my hobbies is organizational theory. Another is football history. If you don’t like it – hey, don’t read it

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take it easy

It’s 100-1 in terms of compliments to negative feedback. My God this board is so sensitive. It wasn’t really negative either. it was very well-written, but again it fits right into the mold of what this board has become.

And I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all. The problem is that many of you folks can’t accept it for what it is, you’ve got this need to establish yourselves as the authority.

by rururuland784 on Sep 3, 2009 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

ruru

Take your time. There’s plenty of space to respond. But remember please that the point of the article is not about last year’s offense. It is not about MHR or broncobear. It is about organizational change.

by Endzone on Sep 3, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's sensitive...

Becuase you can’t just disagree and state your case. It has to be predicated with a caveat first, “This is a PR piece, which is understandable given the role this board has in the fanbase…”

What?

There is no role. At any time, feel free to take the time to right your thoughts and ideas down. All I ask is that is is something deeper than Mc"derogatory term" sucks…..

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by John Bena on Sep 4, 2009 3:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contrast of styles

Bear writes an amazing piece…its well written…it addresses a significant issue…and it goes into depth. How would you grade your own writing?

MHR...and proud of it!

by MHRsGirl on Sep 4, 2009 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

A little Freudian ‘projection’, maybe?

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 4, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The Tipping Point"

   Is a book by Malcolm Gladwell that I would highly recomend to everyone regarding organizational behaviour. The Tipping Point is also what we all experienced the last three games of last season.
   You see RuRu it really wasn’t a question so much about, is the offense moving in the right direction, but more about is the entire organization moving in the right direction. To Mr. Bowlen’s credit he realized that the time for change was now.
   Bear’s article was an excellent treatise on how “he” felt the organization got to where it was and how “he” felt about the changes that were made. Quite honestly I think it’s a bit of a cheap shot to pop on say you disagree and then hide behind the “this is a PR article and it’s understandable given the role this board has” remark in an attempt to marginalize the article.
  You state that there are many points that you disagree with so name them. I actually enjoy much of your counterpoint posts so please don’t take this as a koolaide attack, but also remember to bring your big game rifle if you’re going to hunt BEAR!

"as in football so in life"

by asinsoin on Sep 4, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, here's the thing

Negative feedback – On this site, folks are generally into rational, civil discourse. You don’t give an intelligent reason, just a sneering remark. Those who disagree with me are welcome. Those who just like to hear themselves take cheap shots are welcome to leave.

Think of it this way. I learned a long time ago that it’s a lot easier to make snide remarks than to write intelligent articles. So, next time, you write one and I’ll show up and sneer at you, Ok? Not so good?

Make intelligent disagreements, and I’ll be glad to read them and have you comment. It’s not about that, and you know that. If you don’t ‘have time’ to make a sensible point, just don’t bother to post.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 10:49 PM MDT reply actions   3 recs

Very well written

It’s articles like this that make me miss the RMN just a little bit less. What can I say, you can’t teach common sense. You either have it or you don’t.

My only wish in terms of how these many changes had occurred, is I wish Bowlen would have hired a GM first, then had that man hire a HC. This is the reason why I along with some others are on the fence when it comes to Xanders exact involvement. Not to mention the suspiciously long list of ex-Pats players that are being brought over.

Perhaps in the long run, it won’t matter. The changes on this team for the most part, are definitely positive. Our stock value was falling last year and the year before. This year, while our team’s value may be about the same, at least our stock is rising.

by Horsepower on Sep 3, 2009 11:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent work, Bear. Rec'd.

You hit the nail on the head. I am an optimist – and even tho we are rebuilding – I think that we will win better than half of our games in the season. I like the stress on the fundamentals: blocking, tackling, discipline and working together as a team. Sorely needed in building a football team.

Thanks for a well thought-out dissertation.

by Blackknigh on Sep 3, 2009 11:58 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Another effusive rec

Bear, at the risk of repeating myself, I find you work amazing. This little nugget you have set before us is outstanding and worthy of a much wider audience. The problem is I genuinely think it is far too good for the MSM in general.

Over the last few years I have undergone radical change in my business life and consequently know only too well the uncertainty than many fans feel. The last time the business changed its culture and outlook we were all given a copy of Spencer Johnson’s “Who Moved My Cheese?”. That in itself is worth a read.

Thanks for the post Bear and thanks for another new word … “choate”

I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet

by BlobTheMagnificent on Sep 4, 2009 5:21 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

You must be the first bear I've met that DOESN'T read tea leaves

Seriously though, those are excellent bullet-points from Mr. Walsh.

As you said, the best measure for McDaniels’ success won’t necessarily be this year’s W/L record but the following years (although many will measure it by this year’s – and I’ll admit, if it’s an unprecedented GREAT year, it will be hard to argue against that being success for me)

Stellar post – much appreciated!

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 4, 2009 9:29 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

There’s nothing like being able to contribute.

By the way, a HUGE thank you to everyone who took the time to read this piece and legendarywalton’s as well. Out of scores of posters, almost every one kept to the MHR goal of rational civil discourse and I think that we’re all better for that. Congratulations to all of you, and than you for participating.

If you’re not feeling a little better after watching last night’s game, you probably didn’t watch the 1st half. Great game, great job, top to bottom.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

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