The WR Position is Incomplete with or without Marshall
True or false: If the Broncos trade Brandon Marshall, they'll need to draft a wide receiver in 2010.
Trick question. They'll need to either way. Keeping Marshall in town and getting him happy doesn't complete the WR position. Even if Marshall and Royal stay happy, health and members of the Broncos for the next 10 years, there's still work to do. And I think we'd be nuts not to keep this in mind as we sort through the latest melodrama.
There are two main reasons why.
I'll start with the obvious one. If Marshall plays this year and plays well, the Broncos have gained nothing in terms of long-term certainty at the position. To state the obvious, would you count on this guy long-term? Let's say he plays well and they even negotiate a team-friendly, incentives-based contract (unlikely under any collective bargaining agreement). If my team depends on that guy enough to give him a big contract, they'd better have a stellar back-up plan in place. He's the solution who's not a solution, the player whose presence virtually requires the team to handcuff another talented receiver in anticipation that he gets suspended, ends up in the clink, loses flexibility in his hip, loses feeling in his right hand, or walks out on the team.
That the obvious argument. But there's another one that I think is more potent. As they're built right now, the Broncos are a team stacked with possession receivers. Last year, Marshall played in a pass-centric offense that emphasized the medium- and long-range passing games. Apparently he also played with a quarterback who's arm was so strong, the earth's axis shifted each time he threw. Playing in that offense, Marshall led Broncos' receivers with 12.2 yards per reception -- the 33rd highest number in the NFL. 33rd. I love Eddie Royal and Brandon Stokely. But they were good for about 8 yards per reception. Kenny McKinley looks good, but he's the same kind or receiver.
The Broncos need a field-stretching receiver in their arsenal, and keeping Marshall happy, healthy and free doesn't solve that problem. Hmm, excuse me? Yes, you in the back? OK, you're asking what good it does to have a field-stretching wide receiver when the quarterback's arm is so weak, his deep balls go backwards. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the offense will not consist entirely of bubble screens, that the one and only Devin Hester averaged more yards per catch than Marshall last year despite a supposedly Jell-O armed quarterback, and that a stronger-armed quarterback awaits in the future. The Broncos need a deep threat one way or another.
This brings us, inevitably, to the salary cap. First, teams that dish out multiple cap-busting contracts to wide receivers find themselves pinched for cap space at other positions. If you had to give out two high-dollar contracts to wide receivers, would you give them to receivers who are both possession receivers? If you only decided to give out one big WR contract, as Xanders almost surely will do, who would you give it to? Don't think too hard.
As a quick addendum, I know that some folks around here are big at pointing out that 2010 will most likely be an uncapped season. Let's start with "most likely." If a new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) is worked out in advance, then it will be a capped season, and a big contract to Marshall would be a problem. Now let's move on to the 2010 part. As stands, that season will be uncapped. But just that season -- the salary cap will come back in 2011. Why do I say that? Well, the 2010 season will be uncapped only because that condition was written into the previous CBA, as recompense for the owners terminating it early. That's a sign of strength, not weakness, on the owner's part, and the NFLPA is not a particularly hard-fighting union. The owners remain in the driver's seat, and when the new CBA is settled, it will bring back the salary cap. To state the obvious, the salary cap benefits management, not labor, and we can count on management to push it through (heck, the NHL management was willing to kill their sport to get one).
So we're looking at an uncapped season and a free-agent spending bonanza next year. Followed by the resinstitution of a cap of uncertain size. If there's one thing I know, it's that I want my team to keep its commitments low and let other spend like drunken sailors -- they'll have to make some big cuts when the cap comes back and their 2010 contracts count against it. I want the team with the flexibility and low cap commitments to pick up the many good players who are cut. The Broncos won't be that team if they're committed to two possession receivers long-term. And, just to twist the knife, they also wouldn't be that team if they had two first-round draft picks in 2010 -- those first-rounders are going to get crazy contracts in the uncapped season.
All things being equal, I'd prefer David Harris and a pick. The upgrade over Andra Davis would far outweigh the downgrade from Marshall to Stokley in 3-receiver sets. The salary cap situation would be better. But whatever they do, they need a deep-threat receiver. We can't lose sight of that.
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Entertaining read and insightful, Chibronx.
Covered all the angles, and concisely pulled together a lot of angles on the WR position (roster, game planning, financial). Nice stat: Hester had more YPC than Marsh.
Maybe Lelie will be available next year. He can stretch the field, and catch those backwards passes. If Orton plays well, and throws good balls, though: well, Ashely can’t catch those.
by MakeCents on Sep 3, 2009 9:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
New model post
I agree, very nicely done. I like this post because it’s so GMeee – I can imagine these points being raised by Xanders. I haven’t really seen a lot of posts like this on MHR, and I hope you do other posts like this. Rec’d.
by Snaggins on Sep 3, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree to disagree I think.
I don’t believe trading Marshall is the answer and after watching 3 pre-season games the Broncos are starting to take on a persona of it’s own. We’ll only a couple of clicks off the target, maybe like 3 inches low and to the left 4 inches. Fine tuning this rifle will get it on target and it will shoot right on, say around mid season when some teams have peaked and start to decline.
by bfree2bronc on Sep 3, 2009 9:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we agree; the trade comment wasn't really the point
I threw that in at the end because it’s hard not to comment on it. I’d be happy to keep him on the team this year. But either way, the team needs to add a different type of receiver.
by Chibronx on Sep 3, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I’m on the record across the Internets as stating that WR is something the broncos could look at early in the upcoming draft. I still think DE and perhaps OLB (depending on the transition of some DEs to full LB duties) are more pressing, as well as maybe some interior line depth. That said, I would not be surprised if we took a stud WR because the value was just too good to pass up. Not with all the spread looks in McDaniels’ offense…
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by ejruiz on Sep 3, 2009 10:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Do people think that Royal's future
is as a slot receiver (once Stokes hangs em up)?
Assuming so, how sweet would it be to have a happy 2008-edition Brandon Marshall on one side, a legitimate field-stretcher opposite, and Eddie in the slot?
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by Broncs Cheer on Sep 3, 2009 10:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not see Roayl as slot only.
Case in point, watch Raider game, first game of the season. He ruined a man’s career as a WR1
by Mhantra on Sep 4, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice But Not Necessary
I agree that we do not have and could use a field-stretching receiver. But I don’t think it is necessary. McD’s plan does not emphasize the deep ball. I don’t think it is even required to have the threat of a deep pass. I think it more important to have WR’s who run great routes, actually catch the ball (unlike BMarsh), can be more physical than the defenders, and can run after the catch.
by Endzone on Sep 3, 2009 11:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a good way to put it
I agree that an offense can put up huge numbers without a downfield streaker. I just think it’s an important part of the conversation, since the WR unit is considered a strength, and since the Broncs have two guys with big paydays in the future. Sure, it’s better to have an Eddie Royal than a guy who gets open deep, but once the team has 2 or even 3 stellar short-route guys, the best bang for the buck comes from getting the long-distance runner.
It would be useful to prioritize the team’s needs over the short and medium term. I wouldn’t spend a 1st-round draft pick on a wideout, and I don’t think McXanders would either. But I’m curious as to how many other holes the team would have to plug before a deep threat was a good option.
by Chibronx on Sep 3, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a large fast downfield threat.
It creates great opportunities for the offense and prevents stacking the line against the run when used correctly.
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by Ponderosa on Sep 3, 2009 11:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
We may already have a downfield threat.
We just need a brutal running game. Or frustrate the defense with dink and dunk until they start creeping up.
My point is, that the other elements of our offense directly correlate with the opening of downfield passing.
Strangely, Lloyd seems to be the best at it (a great fight-for-it receiver), it just seems that he is very inconsistent.
by Mhantra on Sep 4, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny McKinley?
anyone? anyone?
he’s not the fastest guy, but he’s done a pretty good job on the deep routes so far, when the QB actually throws it down field anyway
by lolcopter on Sep 3, 2009 12:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
How big is McKinley?
So far i have been pretty impressed with him, but is he big enough to be the spread the ball down the field guy? Don’t you want someone whose pretty tall? I’m not saying he couldnt do it, I just really dont know how big this guy is or if that is even what were after.
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by Bronctillidie on Sep 3, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
6’0" 189lbs
I don’t think you necessarily need a tall receiver in order to stretch the field. I think Royal could be extremely effective in that role
by lolcopter on Sep 3, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 more questions
1) If Royal would fill the “need” (if you will use that term lightly) to stretch the field and all of our other receivers are capable, what would be the need for BM? I mean I know he is talented, and we could use him, but other than the jump ball, what “purpose” would he serve? I dont see McD’s offense using a lot of jump balls, he seems sneaker than that and would just get someone open.
2) Lets say McKinley comes out and has a day like Royal had his first day. (highly unlikely I know) Do you think that Gaffney moves down to backup? I dont know alot about this guy and still trying to figure him out? Is Gaffney going to be ready for opening day?
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by Bronctillidie on Sep 3, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here are some numbers
Eddie Royal 5-10 184 40 Time: 4.39 Low: 4.32
Kenny McKinley 6-0 3/8 189 40-Time: 4.44 Low 4.40
these two could be considered for stretching the field.
By comparison:
Jerry Rice 40 Time:4.5
A legitimate deep threat:
Randy Moss 40 Time:4.25
A couple of significant others:
Brandon Marshall 6-4 1/2 229 lbs. 40 Time: 4.57
Tony Scheffler 6-5 250 lbs. 40 Time:4.54
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by KaptainKirk on Sep 3, 2009 2:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this threat has expired, but for posterity:
Agreed on the times, Kirk. It’s also a matter of training and skills though, right? Speed aaside, Royal and McKinley are slottish guys.
by Chibronx on Sep 3, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gaffney as well IMO
It seems we have an abundance at that position.
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by KaptainKirk on Sep 4, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
middle routes
i doubt gaffney is ready for the opener. a broken thumb can set back a receiver just as much as a dislocated index finger can set back a QB
by lolcopter on Sep 3, 2009 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admit I didn't read all of this
but two points: 1) Why is it assumed that short yardage passes are bad? 2) McKinnely—the majority of his passing yards have come from two 50+ yard receptions, no? His YPC so far in the preseason is 18 1/3.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Sep 3, 2009 1:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Again, the thread is expired, but:
I don’t think that short-yardage passes are bad. The argument here is really a salary-cap argument. How many guys do you want to pay big $$ to who do more or less the same thing? I love the slot guys and I’m big on McKinley’s potential. I’m just saying the receiving corps is incomplete — not bad, incomplete — in the absence of the deep threat.
by Chibronx on Sep 3, 2009 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will beg to differ
I think Royal is too good for the slot. He appears to be a durable receiver who is already the best route runner on the team (or at least at the level of the Stoke), catches everything that comes his way, and has the speed to get downfield. He’s not the downfield threat of Randy Moss, who you just chuck the ball at and he uses his stature to just own the DB, he’s the downfield threat of a double move which leaves the DB 5 yards behind him, helpless to defense the pass. I’m worried about Jabar’s injury, it leaves us with much fewer options at WR.
I hope Marshall gets a giant boot up his rear which gets his thoughts in line, but at this point I’m assuming we won’t have him for the year.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Sep 4, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree with willy
Royal looks very much like Steve Smith of CAR. He has all the skills you need to be a very good #1 receiver. McKinley looks to be a natural in the slot – Lloyd doesn’t seem to have the ‘guts’ to go over the middle and make the tough catch in traffic, knowing that you’ll pay for it. I wish he did – he’s got a ton of natural talent
For an expired thread, this one is going nicely!
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 4, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our QBs can't throw that far, willy
You must have your facts wrong…lol. McKinley is being groomed as a slot receiver but he has deep threat as well.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 3, 2009 4:55 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
nice
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Sep 4, 2009 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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