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Horse Tracks 9/30/09 - NFL study shows higher rate of dementia in former players; status of Hamilton, Harris unknown; A. Smith unlikely

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NYT - Study Indicates Higher Rate of Dementia in Former N.F.L. Players - Alan Schwarz
This is scary stuff with far-reaching implications. Folks, make sure your kids know the dangers associated with concussions. It's not about being tough; it's about keeping your brain intact and functioning into old age...

DB - Gearing Up For a Ground Game War - Patrick Smyth
Fun facts from the weekly press release.

DPP - Broncos' schedule takes turn for tougher starting with Cowboys on Sunday - Mike Klis

DPP - Mailbag: Denver brought in the right new players - Mike Klis
"Andra Davis, cornerback Andre' Goodman and safeties Brian Dawkins and Renaldo Hill...replaced Nate Webster, Dre' Bly, Marquand Manuel and Marlon McCree." Wow. Never looked it all those names side by side.

DPP - Broncos defensive backs coach lauds his veterans - Jeff Legwold
Sounds like Alphonso Smith is unlikely to play Sunday. Ben Hamilton and Ryan Harris are nursing injuries and their status is unknown. Ryan Torain worked out for the Dolphins, while Kory Lichtensteiger was waived by Minnesota.

CSG - Broncos are actually chameleons - Frank Schwab
Pardon the look ahead, but I wonder how much of a chess match the game versus Belichick and Co. will be...

PFW - Week Four matchup tidbits

Star-divide

DPP - Broncos primer: the Dallas Cowboys - Linday Jones

DPP - Q&A: Broncos make sure Dumervil plays to strength - Jeff Legwold

DPP - Analysis: Broncos' offensive line showing great depth - Lindsay Jones

CBS4 - Elway: Broncos Offensive Line Has Been Outstanding - Matthew Buettner

LTC - Dedication - Brian Howell
Daniel Graham is feeling the effects of playing 8 years down in the trenches. Anyone still wondering why we drafted Richard Quinn?

LTC - Broncos’ consistency bodes well for season - Brian Howell

DB - Awareness on Display - Zach Eisendrath
The NFL is helping put breast cancer awareness at the forefront in October.

DB - Ask Elvis Dumervil...

DB - Colorful Season At Home - Jim Saccomano

DB - 3-0 Makes For A Fun Start - Mark Cooper

DB - Buckhalter, Moreno Up For Awards - Gray Caldwell

TSN - AFC West: Unbeaten Broncos face uphill battle - Shawn Clarke

Cowboys News

NFP - Monday replay: Cowboys shut down deep threat - Matt Bowen
Plenty of good analysis which is relevant come Sunday.

ST - The smartest thing the Cowboys can do is let Romo be Romo - Jennifer Floyd Engel

ST - Broncos, Orton are a pair of surprises - Jeff Caplan

ST - Dallas Cowboys cornerback Mike Jenkins is stepping up - Clarence Hill

ST - Dallas Cowboys down to one healthy running back - Charean Williams

DMN - Rush weak? Dallas Cowboys' running back depth being tested - Todd Archer

DMN - No pass rush from Dallas Cowboys' Spencer making it tough be Ware - Jean-Jacques Taylor

DMN - Jenkins looks to have won job at right cornerback for Dallas Cowboys - David Moore

DMN - Dallas Cowboys scouting report: Denver Broncos - Rick Gosselin

AFC West

NFL - Chiefs sign former Cardinals TE Pope

KCS - Chiefs having trouble finding right combination on offensive line - Kent Babb

KCS - Chiefs trade Thigpen to Dolphins - Kent Babb

SDUT - Connected by Steel - CHris Jenkins

SDUT - Scouting the Steelers

NFP - Real Fake People: Very Fake Al Davis - Ray Gustini
Another gem from Gustini.

SFC - No tussle over Russell; he'll start - David White

SFG - Last word on Gannon - David White

OT - Poole: Raiders are historically horrendous

NFL News

NFL - Trotter back with Eagles after year out of league

NFL - Rams LB Vobora suspended four games

NFL - Saints place Pro Bowl left tackle Brown on IR

NFL - Rams release veteran DT Hollis Thomas

NFL - Tomlin may bench Steelers WR Sweed after drops

NFL - Police investigating case involving Patriots CB Wilhite

NFL Opinion

NFP - Diner morning news: Breaking down the teams - Mike Lombardi
Lombardi has a fair point (IMO) regarding the Broncos' prospects. It remains to be seen whether Kyle Orton can win a game for us when we need it...

SI - Indianapolis Colts, New York Giants are NFL elite through Week 3 - Don Banks
Banks thinks the Broncos will be 4-7 or worse after the next 8 games...

SI - Pittsburgh Steelers, Arizona Cardinals have hope despite records - John P. Lopez

FOX - Schein 9: Don't rule out Jets-Giants Super Bowl

PFW - Rookie Meter: Jury out on freshman backs - Matt Sohn

Y! - Latest injury could spell end for Pennington - Jason Cole

NFP - Tavern talk: Zorn’s game management - Mike Lombardi

CBS - Time for Zorn to prove he's worthy of Redskins gig - Clark Judge

NFP - NFL notebook: Bills’ offense needs T.O. - Matt Bowen

ESPN - T.O. wallowing in his own martyrdom - Tim Graham

SI - MMQB Mailbag - Peter King

NFL - One month into 2009 season, Steelers and Cardinals not so super - Vic Carucci

SN - Who Will Be The Last Unbeaten Standing? - Albert Breer

CBS - Bengals' turnaround has been long time coming - Charley Casserly

SI - Eric Mangini might be worst NFL coaching hire ever - Joe Posnanski

NFP - The contract conundrum - Jack Bechta

NFP - The NFP Power Rankings

NFL - Expert Rankings: Week 3

CBS - Power Rankings: Manning always gives Colts chance to win - Pete Prisco

Y! - Jets, Saints proper hosts for Bourbon St. party - Mike Silver

SN - NFL Power Poll: Redskins reeling after loss to Lions - Clifton Brown

NFP - Scout’s notebook: offensive review - Wes Bunting

NFP - Scout’s notebook: defensive review - Wes Bunting

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Thanks NYC... this is vague and a kinda unenlightening thing to post but...

I travel a lot for work so I can’t be too clear on this one… A few months back I was in some country, in some hotel, watching some science show on cable TV and there was this segment on a college system in the US that have installed helmet monitors for their players. All impacts are recorded and analysed and recommendations are made on a players suitability to continue playing in the current game and in following games.

It may be the way forward if reports such as the NYT article continue to raise questions about head injuries in the game…

I don’t know how you do it NYC… I’d love to see a post on what your morning entails while seeking out all these stories. Fabulous stuff.

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by orange&blue_aussie on Sep 30, 2009 6:00 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

From the excellent GQ story Diviesti linked to below...
Look, there was a seminal study published by the University of Oklahoma two years ago. They put accelerometers, which measure acceleration, in the helmets of University of Oklahoma players. And they documented the g-force. So we know the g-force for a football player being knocked out is about sixty to ninety g’s. To compare, a fighter pilot will pass out at five or six g’s, but that’s over a long period of time. These football g-forces are just a few milliseconds, very brief—boom! And they found that in the open field, the dramatic cases of a receiver getting blindsided is about one hundred g’s. It knocks them out. Very dramatic, everybody sees it. But the linemen? They were actually getting twenty to thirty g’s on every play. Because they start out and they bang heads. Every play.

by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 30, 2009 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Morning nyc Thanks as always...

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Sep 30, 2009 6:39 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Pete Prisco, et al

Clicking on the Prisco power rankings I see the Broncos have climbed to 15. Of course that’s behind the Bengals who apparently we only beat on one play (all the rest of the game we must have been being blown out, by the sound of it).

I really don’t mind being overlooked. I hope the Broncos are overlooked before every game. But it is annoying when reason isn’t ever used. Mike and Mike in the morning (and their guest) were all pretty convinced that Denver wasn’t for real (no reasons stated) while the Bengals are for real. Greenie made the statement that he thought the Chargers would have had the division locked up by Halloween. When discussing whether Tennessee could be the wildcard, Denver was listed as one of the teams in contention for that wild card spot (San Diego was not mentioned because apparently they will win the AFC West I guess). How can San Diego be assumed to be so great? Denver and San Diego have a common opponent in Oakland, who Denver dismantled while SD squeaked by. I just don’t get it.

by NDbronco on Sep 30, 2009 7:08 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Mike + Mike

Are just terrible. Really, really bad. I was hacked when they took away our local morning show, even if I frequently disagreed with those guys, just so they could give us a dose of this pabulum.

by Remember Keith Kartz! on Sep 30, 2009 7:18 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greenie and Golic

You know, I only believe about 1/4 of what they say, but they are entertaining to watch in the morning. I’ve also noticed, before the season started they were quick to say the Broncos were hopeless, more or less. But I did notice when the question was asked if we are for real or not, they all kind of went “eeeeehhhhhhhhhh I dont think so”. Which means they are debating it now after 3 games.

IF we beat the cowboys, which I believe we have a solid chance at doing, more so than the cowboys have a chance at beating us, I believe these commentators and so called ‘experts’ will start saying we have a chance. IF we continue on to beat either Baltimore or Pittsburgh, I believe they will say we are for real. I believe we can beat Pittsburgh, but the Ravens AT Baltimore would be extremely tough to do. Anything can happen, however, on any given Sunday, so we shall see!

by Broncs55 on Sep 30, 2009 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

New England vs Baltimore

I’m anxious to see how this game plays out. If NE beat them, we’ll have a blueprint to work from….unless of course it’s all done by spectacular throws by Tom Brady.

by NDbronco on Sep 30, 2009 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I heard that too

Blahblah, every other team is “for real”. Denver? Hahahaha, of course not. Yeah, OK, they’ve won, but that doesn’t really count because we all know they’re a fraud, because we said they were gonna suck for months. That’s our story, and we’re sticking to it. Until we don’t, and then we’ll pretend we knew it all the time. Now, let’s talk about the best team in the Universe- the JETS!

That show sucks, and I hardly ever listen to it.

by AllBroncsallday on Sep 30, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Nyc

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
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by KaptainKirk on Sep 30, 2009 7:34 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks NYC,

Here is another article on on the dementia from gq. It’s a great read, it’s about how a doctor first discovered the problem Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy in Iron Mike Websters(9 time pro bowler) brain, if you have some time it is definitely worth the read.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_10980

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Sep 30, 2009 7:50 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Thank You, diviesti

I’m going to include this link in tomorrow’s Tracks. I could edit today’s and add it, but I think everyone should at least see the link and (hopefully) read the article. Obviously not a pretty picture on the NFL, but it’s important…

by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 30, 2009 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem, glad I could add to Horse Tracks

I read it the other day and wanted to start a discussion on it, but I wasn’t sure this would have been the right forum for it. As much as I like watching bone crushing hits, it definitely changed the way I feel about how they are performed. Funny how in High School football I was taught to use my helmet as a tool, not as a protection device. Regardless of everyones POV on this subject, the research need to more readily accessible for all coaches and athletes in collision sports.

Denver rookie head coach Josh McDaniels doesn't have a grasp on how to build a team." - John Clayton, April 23rd, 2009

by diviesti on Sep 30, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

big +++ 1

thanks

"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí

by Colinski on Sep 30, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

I recall hearing something about boxers, who suffer even worse brain trauma in the course of their sport.

http://bit.ly/4wmTR4

The long list of boxers who have reportedly suffered brain damage includes some of history’s legendary champions – from Joe Louis, who developed dementia symptoms, to Sugar Ray Robinson, who died with Alzheimer’s disease.

Today experts use a variety of terms in lieu of punch-drunk syndrome: chronic traumatic brain injury, chronic traumatic encephalopathy, boxer’s encephalopathy and dementia pugilistica, which was coined as a medical term to describe the most severe cases.

The connection between chronic brain trauma and dementia is the most important medical issue concerning that sport. Most of us have heard the term “punch drunk” but few understand that it was a description of a type of dementia effecting boxers.

The term punch drunk entered the medical lexicon in 1928 when pathologist Harrison Martland, M.D., first described this syndrome in the Journal of the American Medical Association. For some time, he wrote, fans and promoters have recognized a peculiar condition occurring among prize fighters which, in ring parlance, they speak of as ‘punch drunk.’

"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí

by Colinski on Sep 30, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lombardi!!

It’s ticks me off that Lombardi has the nerve to list Pittsburgh as having “that look”! Look of what? A losing streak?!?! Who pays this guy?

by DaLostBoy4 on Sep 30, 2009 8:26 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Circular logic

I saw this elsewhere:

Their circular logic goes like this: (1) Denver is not a good team. (2) Denver beats Team X, so Team X must not be a good team. (3) Therefore, Denver is not a good team because they have not beaten any good teams.

by NDbronco on Sep 30, 2009 9:25 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Good thing for the Cowboys they're

not overlooking the Broncos (presumably) the way their fans seem to be. Read in a few places fans saying things like, Good thing about Jones’ injury is it comes before the bye and the hard part of the schedule, because you know the Broncos and the Chiefs are both equally easy games. I’ll be stoked if the Cowboys the team have the same attitude because they’ll get popped next Sunday in Denver. Alas, they are likely not that dense.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Sep 30, 2009 9:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks NYC

I hope our injuries on Smith, Hamilton, and Harris heal soon, however this means other guys will have to step up. Smith out for Sunday will mean that Jack Williams will get some playing time and I am sure he will do fine. Our line was fine after Hamilton and Harris left. I know a lot of people will say it was the Raiders, however we have some good depth and Sunday will be a challenge. However I really hope they can play though. On a side note, the Cowboys got their first sack of the season Monday night against the Panthers.

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by weazel on Sep 30, 2009 10:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, So disproportionately many ex football players have cerebral problems

but what does that prove? We have all heard that every alcoholic started with milk but none of us believe that milk leads to alcoholism. Former football players, as a group, may enjoy relative low mental acumen but is that because of football? Many were not that bright to begin with. The only way to become a pro player is to first play in college. Consequently, a lot of retired pro players came out of schools they would have had no chance of getting in to, if they couldn’t play ball.

Could the effects of continuously having to adjust for jet lag have an impact? How about friends and colleagues constantly trying to get your job? Perhaps the strain of knowing you are always within one play from a potential career ending injury can affect you. A fighter pilot is subjected to g-forces causing him to pass out momentarily every time he takes off from a carrier. Do retired pilots have the same problems as former footbal players? One needs to be very careful when assessing cause and consequences.

by warmick on Sep 30, 2009 11:01 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The question has NOTHING to do with intelligence. The question is why do so many former players become crazy, not dumb.

Intelligence and sanity have nothing to do with each other…

by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 30, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew someone would try to slam me for being politically incorrect

The question has EVERYTHING to do with mental capacity. It doesn’t matter how intelligent you are if you are in a coma. What matters is your ability to use what you have. What matters in THIS discussion is whether what you have is affected by what you do. I merely proposed it is difficult to quantify reduced capability of someone who might well have been thus affected from the beginning.

It was suggested that being subjected to g-forces encountered when taking hits was a cause for reduced capacity. Thus my analogy to fighter pilots similarly subjected. Note: Every single fighter pilot to ever have received the training started with cerebral capacity well in excess of the population at large. That is why they would be very pertinent as a control group when examining this issue.

by warmick on Sep 30, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm, what about my response has anything to do with being PC?

This is a matter of people no longer being able to function normally in society. Please read the GQ article.

The comparison with fighter pilots showed that the g-force associated with football collisions is much greater than that which fighter pilots experience (and black out from), although in much briefer doses.

by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 30, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shifting the focus to intelligence is playing the PC card

I was questioning whether a cerebral change was actually even taking place. Just where on an IQ scale the potential change occurs is irrelevant.

by warmick on Sep 30, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read the GQ article. There is physical, actual, real change going on in the brains of NFL players.

by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 30, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

not surprising

I look at this research as an addition to recent study done on concussions, which is another area that the NFL has been looking at very seriously.

Repeated brain trauma ‘should’ have consequences, so I’m not sure why objections are being raised since it looks like a fairly obvious etiology.

"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí

by Colinski on Sep 30, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read the article,nycbroncofan

I did so seeking information rather than entertainment, so I wasn’t really looking for a novel. I therefore limited myself to the first 5 and last couple of pages. It is a sad story indeed. There is obviously proof of brain damage and little doubt it was caused by playing football. Mike Webster appears to have been eligible for compensation, which cannot be negated by the likelihood that this would go where the many millions he made during his career went. If his case is common among retired football players, however, the answer is not to compensate the players further nor to institute new improved helmet requirements but rather to outlaw the sport.

by warmick on Sep 30, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for reading it, Warmick. The saddest/most disturbing part is how the NFL has moved constantly to discredit these scientists. I think the solution lies in changing rules, not helmets.

by Douglas A. Lee on Oct 1, 2009 4:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry, but you're talking about a field that you don't seem to be familiar with

Please read my response below, warmick. This has nothing at all to do with any ‘PC card’. The cerebral changes are clear, very well documented and extremely concerning.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 30, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't understand dementia

You’re misunderstanding the issue- it’s about physical change in the brain, and the effect of that.

by AllBroncsallday on Sep 30, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your stuff, warmick, but you're missing the point

Part of my professional life involved developing a treatment for mild to moderate brain contusions, which we managed to do successfully. I’m writing from that viewpoint as a healthcare professional who has reviewed the available information at length. The mass of clinical evidence that indicates that we need to be far more proactive with regards to post-concussive syndrome issues and pro football players is overwhelming.

I understand that warmick’s comment was simply a fan’s viewpoint and I hope that he won’t take offense, but the degree of cerebral impact that players experience cannot be denied or ignored. Despite this, the perspective of the NFL was made clear in this quote:

"Memory disorders affect many people who never played football or other sports," Mr. Aiello said. "We are trying to understand it as it relates to our retired players."

What Aiello is really saying, past the double-speak and the insertion of a pointless and meaningless statement regarding ‘many people’ is that the NFL is unhappy about his information and will go to the farthest possible length to avoid the issue. The potential liability of the NFL in terms of dollars could be very substantial. That’s not going to be an easy thing for the league to accept, but they are foot-dragging. They’ve known about the facts of the issue for a long time. More information, including this study, is coming in all the time.

You can confirm whether or not the cognitive issues arise from repetitive impact though appropriate testing. The fact that other folks may develop dementia has nothing to do with this problem, and the NFL knows that. There are a lot of dollars at stake, and it’s been my experience that there will be a long fight before any serious action is taken. That’s a shame. The newer helmets are a good step towards minimizing the effects of those impacts. The NFL can make them mandatory, and they should. This problem needs a lot more attention that it’s currently getting, at every level from Pop Warner on up.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 30, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: helmets

I’m not ignoring your other points, which I’ve addressed in other posts throughout this topic, but improving helmets is an easy way to go regarding finding a partial solution to the head trauma problem.

I would be remiss if I didn’t mention rule changes, however. There’s no need to destroy your opponent, and that style of play may have even led to sloppy tacking techniques. We’ve seen a change in the rules over the course of the last few years, starting with the helmet to helmet rule, and last year’s banning of the wedge and devastating hits on unprotected receivers. Football doesn’t have to be brutal to be good. I’d like to see more emphasis on proficiency and less on producing monster, highlight reel, hits. The game is still quite physical when well-played, my feeling is that some of the brutal aspects are merely a substitute for skill.

"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí

by Colinski on Sep 30, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes, I generally agree, Colinski

Rational limits won’t always be popular with some fans, but there are just that – rational. We continue to make rule changes that benefit players, and we should.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 30, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like your stuff too, broncobear

It may in fact be the most worthwhile on this site, as I have alluded to previously (even though your avatar had me question your loyalties at first:).
You are right that I know absolutely nothing about head trauma. That is why I have rescinded from offering an opinion on the subject. Perhaps I should have expressed myself better but all I tried to convey was that there is inherent difficulty in establishing brain damage in an individual whose brain function may not have been all that astute to begin with and also to caution against drawing hasty conclusions from potentially extraneous data.

by warmick on Sep 30, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I get that

Keep in mind, though, that the article isn’t about ‘intelligence’ and that the point that you raise is unintentionally off subject. There actually isn’t any difficulty at all in establishing brain function issues as opposed to being ‘astute’. You can be as dumb as the day is long and have perfectly normal brain function as long as you haven’t seen or been subjected to a specific injury pattern. You can be incredibly smart but suffer brain injury – and, those injuries can be easily diagnosed by proper testing. The article only deals with injury patterns and that was clear in reading it. I appreciate your concerns, but they are unfounded.

These are two utterly different subjects and should be considered as such. Again – this is just a matter of being more familiar with the field.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 30, 2009 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

OK

Maybe I should

by warmick on Sep 30, 2009 1:12 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

On a totally different subject

Legwold’s article on Doom was poorly researched. If he’d done a little more checking, he would have found that Doom has been lauded for making the transition to OLB very quickly and that while it’s true that he mostly covers by zone, he has already impressed with his coverage abilities. Of course we use him to rush the passer – but he’s also doing a good job overall against the run and covering pretty well. He’s rapidly becoming a well rounded player

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 30, 2009 2:36 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh sure, change the subject.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
Breaking jaws or the NFL in Oakland who cares? Fall on your pirate’s sword - Ponderosa

by KaptainKirk on Sep 30, 2009 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grin

No point in grinding anyone’s face into anything, Kap!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Emmett Smith on Sep 30, 2009 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Casson's "analysis by paralysis" response

I can’t help but conclude that the NFL’s position — or Casson’s, of the concussion committee — is more lip service (although not completely) than they’d like it to appear. Further study is always indicated but Cason’s comments and apparent denial of the connection between head trauma and forms of dementia is not a tenable medical position — if indeed that is his position, but there’s little reason to doubt that it is.

Dr. Ira Casson, a co-chairman of the concussions committee who has been the league’s primary voice denying any evidence connecting N.F.L. football and dementia, said: "What I take from this report is there’s a need for further studies to see whether or not this finding is going to pan out, if it’s really there or not. I can see that the respondents believe they have been diagnosed. But the next step is to determine whether that is so." — N.Y.Times article linked above

It would be premature to conclude too much at this point; but it would dishonest or worse to pretend the connection between brain trauma and the later development of forms of dementia is an unknown question. My comments earlier in this topic on boxing are pertinent here, and evidence produced in the study of brain injury in boxing supports findings in football.

"spontaneous method of irrational knowledge based on the critical and systematic objectivity of the associations and interpretations of delirious phenomena." - Dalí

by Colinski on Sep 30, 2009 2:48 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for Tracks, NYC!

always great to have my Bronco and NFL news all lined up in a merry little row each morning! :-)

Liked the Chameleon piece in the CSG. IT’s no wonder that McD wanted smart, versitile players for his team. Completely changing the offense from week to week must be a challenge to keep up with…and will also slow the learning curve a bit. But a better way to exploit the oppositions weakness while also giving them less of an idea of what they can game-plan for. Although perhaps oppositions will learn that the best way to predict what we will do is to look within and “know thyself.”

"Take what you can. Give nothing back!"

by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 30, 2009 3:42 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Would anyone else

want to see stokley as a receiving coach? He is a hell of a smart reciever(cini and Atl game last year(Marshall celebration)) and i do not know how long he can play with his 12 or whatever concussions

HILLIS

by robbo650 on Sep 30, 2009 6:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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