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Seeing the forest through the trees

I made this comment to BSrout's earlier fanpost and at his request I'm reposting it here. 

In response to his question on how the MSM views our team in their power rankings, I responded this way:

the mindset of the MSM is as follows: hope that Denver folds during their upcoming stretch of better opponents. If that happens, then they can celebrate that they were right and that Denver is a pretender. I think the real issue for us fans, is that we’re evaluating the Broncos in the short-term and long-term, whereas the MSM is only looking for their next sound byte.

The Short-Term (the trees before us)

For us, the short-term is this: wow! our team is playing sound, fundemental football. We’re, in my opinion, ahead of schedule as far as implementing two news schemes (offensive and defense) and our team culture is already apparant (team first, aggressive, and tougher). This bodes well for us in the short-term, as it gives us fans the belief that we can truly compete for the division crown and get into the playoffs this year.  I think fans always have high-hopes each season (at least us Broncos fans!), but deep within us lies a "Zappa" who has been teased before with fast starts only to see our team fade down the stretch.  But when we start to see that "times are achanging" we start to take notice and--at least for me--get that old time feeling of being a perrenially good team again.  That leads me to the long-term view we, as fans, have....

The Long-Term (the forest)

As I stated in the other post, it's the long-term that has me even more excited!!!  I also think this is what the MSM fails to see the most.  McD and company are building something on par with the elite franchises (NE, Pitt, Indy, NYG), where we can compete for the playoffs/Super Bowl every year.  In a lot of ways, this season is all FUN for me, because I don’t have grand visions of Super Bowl this season. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be thrilled if we put together a Cinderella run, but for me, this year is all about improvement and building a new culture. Next year and the years that follow are when I started getting jacked up as we should be able to field perinial playoff teams!  As Guru and many others have pointed out, we have a great mix of young and rising stars (Doom, Moreno, Royal, Clady, The Phonz, Ayers etc), seasoned vets (Bailey, Dawkins, etc), previously untapped potential (Fields, Haggan, Reid, etc), and steady eddies who might not be "great" but who bring all the right "stuff" to build team chemistry (A. Davis, Orton, Buck, Goodman, etc). 

The MSM

But back to BShrout's post, I really don’t care where they rank us (part of being a Broncos fan is being disrespected by the media.  I wear it as a badge of honor!)  What I do care about, however, is where we stand in our division and conference.  I care about us staying healthy and winning the turn-over battle, beating the crap out our division and the continued emergence of Kyle Orton’s neckbeard and the superpowers therein!

Go Broncos!

This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR

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awesome BC, glad you decided to post this

I really do think your opinion is shared by a majority of us here at MHR.

The only thing I want to see is lots of wins racked up. And if other people disrespect the Broncos, it’s just one more thing that can be used as a motivator.

"The best defense is a good offense. Or is it the other way around." Wolverine
Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
Livin' in La La Land and Lovin' It

by BShrout on Sep 30, 2009 9:20 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Thx!

I think the older a fan gets, the more perspective they have on their team. I love the long-term direction our team is on. I think when we talk about the steal of the off-season our talk is centered on the players (e.g., Brian Dawkins), when in reality our biggest steal might be the head coach we hired. I’m not trying to knock the lack of success other new coaches are experiencing (Raheem Morris, Spags, etc), but I think we hired the gem of the class in McD.

I too hope we rack up a ton of wins. Will the MSM recognize us…maybe begrudingly, but I think we’ll hear more silence than anything…

"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Unknown, Hanlon's Razor

by bcfunk on Sep 30, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Their circular logic goes like this: (1) Denver is not a good team. (2) Denver beats Team X, so Team X must not be a good team. (3) Therefore, Denver is not a good team because they have not beaten any good teams.

by NDbronco on Sep 30, 2009 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

So true! It’s funny to see how Cincy is getting more respect than us even though we beat them.

"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Unknown, Hanlon's Razor

by bcfunk on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Revisionist History

MSM pre-pre-season assessment: We suck
Week 1: We beat Cincy ergo Cincy must suck therefore we still suck.
Week 2: Cincy beats GB but GB can’t suck, they are GB therefore Cincy must be great! We were lucky in week 1, Cleveland really sucks and therefore we still suck.

broncorat

by broncorat on Sep 30, 2009 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Fluky"

I hate that word. it’s as if it was college overtime, and only the last two possessions counted. You can’t discount 59.5 minutes of football.

I guess Carson Palmer was just rusty. I mean, look how bad he played against Denver!

by SkinnyPB on Sep 30, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Silence

I keep remembering Dukes interview with Rod Smith and his contempt for Smiths comment that Denver could win its first six games. Then to make his point that there was discontent in the locker room he gave Denver 2 wins at most. What do we hear from Dukes now about Denvers locker room? Its just funny!

"Sanity is the realization that everyone is insane to some degree." Me

by 3nS on Sep 30, 2009 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the only thing I care about, except that I hope you all are doing great too.

I love watching football and all the ins and outs of the game. I used to be a baseball fanatic going back to the 50’s and 60’s but as time went on baseball wore off some and football became more passionate to me. The msm can kiss my rosie red --. I don’t give a hoot or a holler what they think.

by bfree2bronc on Sep 30, 2009 10:18 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well you could look at this way, I know I do

There are only two seasons. Football season and off season.

by bchiper on Sep 30, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think there are four seasons...

Pre season
Regular season
Post season
Off season

Wherever you go, there you are.

by YosemiteSam on Sep 30, 2009 6:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps Kyle's neckbeard

is the offspring of Chuck Norris’ beard. If Orton can harness these powers…..well let’s just say fella’s hide your wives.

by T.Dot_Bronco on Sep 30, 2009 10:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

An unwinnable situation

CATCH 22: Broncos are a bad team cause we only beat teams that are worst. We will be bad until we play a “good” team but it we beat that team, that would mean that they really were not a good team. We must play and lose to a “good” team but then we will still be a bad team.

broncorat

by broncorat on Sep 30, 2009 10:56 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe if we can keep it close :)

"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.

by spock on Sep 30, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disrespected by the media?

If you are talking about this year, then I can agree with you…but even many of us here thought we were in for a rocky road – so far I am thrilled to be wrong. If you mean the Broncos have always been disrespected by the medial than I can’t agree with that. I honestly feel that we have been given too many free passes by the media in the recent past. The media always seemed to have us ranked higher than we really should have been. I suspect this is a direct result of the media’s love of Shanahan. Even when I read a bunch of recent posts here talking about what Shanahan did wrong and comparing him to McD (with the comparison benefiting McD), it seems that those people are also suspecting we may not have been as good as the medial seemed to think.

by bonaire on Sep 30, 2009 11:26 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Really?

Hmm…I guess I have a different opinion. I was talking about historically and I’ve always felt we never are the apple of the media’s eye. I could be wrong, though. I thought there were outlets that gave Shanny a hard time and then acted appalled when he was fired.

"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Unknown, Hanlon's Razor

by bcfunk on Sep 30, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said and rec'd

Further, the bigger problem with the MSM I think is that so many of them are paid to have opinions — and not just opinions but “strong” opinions. The further out they go, the more incendiary,superlative and/or hyperbolic, the “better” (from the standpoint of their employers bottom lines – viewers/buzz). Neither integrity nor thoughtful critical analysis rank high vs. money. The “experts” of the world would look pretty bad if they were constantly being held up to scrutiny for what they said on their respective networks. As those networks have invested in the brand name of these individuals as being experts (Clayton, Kiper, etc.), they will protect them.

All this being said, what is it to have their respect anyway? Who really cares about being the belle of their ball? They only have as much power as we give them and they get it if we’re praising or bashing.

Therefore, my rec: disconnect and enjoy the Broncos with our fellow fans here on the MHR. I am very thankful for this site.

by princemilo on Sep 30, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points. I dated a radio talk show host in Philly some years back – on air she was the most dispicable unmannored and over the top person you could imagine – at home she was sweet as a kitten – her excuse …. she was paid to attract an audiance and noone really wants to hear a well thought out and rational arguement – they want flames!

One time only I am going to stick up for the MSM. Since Elway retired how many times has it appeared we were on the verge of doing something good and the collapsed? Last year is a great point in case. Given the off season problems it is a huge claim to make that Denver is a contender, huge claims require huge evidence – and Denver has not yet provided the HUGE evidence that it is ready to be a contender.

by Flunkie on Sep 30, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was awesome...

The best part of this whole season (and, incidentally, the reason why I already think it’s a success) has been watching the changing culture. I love this team.

by MarshallMcCard on Sep 30, 2009 12:32 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice Post!

I too like to take the longer view – probably because I am old! For example, when many were screaming we needed a defensive head coach because our defense was so bad, I was saying, wait a minute – we want a coach for 15 years. They need to be good at both, not just solve our short-term problems.

I too am very excited about the fundamental structure and culture that is being installed here. I think we are positioning ourselves to get back to where we belong – a perennial powerhouse with legitimate SB aspirations.

by Bronco Fan Doug on Sep 30, 2009 1:14 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Great post!

I would have rec’d it even if you hadn’t mentioned me by name. ;-) heheh

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

by Tim Lynch on Sep 30, 2009 1:54 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

You noticed that? hehe….

"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Unknown, Hanlon's Razor

by bcfunk on Sep 30, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work

I really like your Long Term view and I totally agree. McDaniels is certainly baffling the MSM in the way he is putting together this team. I wouldn’t be surprised if he already has next years draft and FA figured out with all it’s contingencies.

by bchiper on Sep 30, 2009 2:55 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you...

The truth of the matter is that the media and us fans tend to want to build a team like a fantasy team: big/known names with hardware (SB rings, Pro Bowls, killer stats, etc). Not saying McD is using this, but his approach reminds me more of “Moneyball”, the “analytical, sabermetric approach to assembling a competitive baseball team.” That is why the media doesn’t get all worked up when we signed some of our lesser known Free Agents (see Reid, Fields, etc).

Even if he doesn’t have it all figured out, I bet he has personnel who are on top of it! I think the one thing we can expect from McD is that he’ll always be prepared for each game.

"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Unknown, Hanlon's Razor

by bcfunk on Sep 30, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't his name Josh I'm Prepared McDaniels?

Actually, his game planning so far is rock solid. And I love that he does it with the input of all his coaches.

by bchiper on Sep 30, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Short and Sweet:

I don’t want a winning season.

I want a dynasty!

Wherever you go, there you are.

by YosemiteSam on Sep 30, 2009 6:13 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I guess I'm greedy Sam, I want both...

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Sep 30, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what i'm talking about...

case in point: are we satisfied being the Arizona Cardinals or the Steelers/Patriots? I think we know the answer to that. Great comment!

"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Unknown, Hanlon's Razor

by bcfunk on Sep 30, 2009 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post bcfunk...

Speaking of forests, the following picture is the road to la la land:
.

.
On the way to ‘The Land’ you learn to enjoy the forest and its trees. Notice the haze towards the end of the road (study picture here its important) The haze is a mystical mist which accumulates then destroys lost hope, negative thoughts, and the tendancy of pessimistic out-bursts. When you look deeper in the pic you notice that the mist seems almost white. This is the result of the cleansing as well as a reflection of the brightness of the land. Once through the mist, and in ‘The Land’ you suddenley realize that all things are possible…………………until it isn’t.

Its unfortunate that most of the MSM only see forests from jets as they traverse the nation.

13-3 Baby!! Playoffs here we come.!!……………………… until we don’t

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on Sep 30, 2009 6:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said

Part of being a Broncos fan is being disrespected by the media.

“Respect isn’t given, it’s TAKEN!”
-B. Dawk

Go Broncos!

by Royal With Cheese on Sep 30, 2009 10:13 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Right on...

We at MHR have the antidote to the mSm. We ignore it the best that we can…except we can’t exactly…We have to know that they are what they are, after all, but beyond that? I don’t think that we as DB fans really give them much.

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Sep 30, 2009 10:28 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Smith

"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"

by littletinybroncos on Sep 30, 2009 11:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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