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9/4/09 Horse Tracks - Broncos shut out Cards 19-0; No known injuries, plus 4 Turnovers for the D

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Good Morning, MHR Friends! Remember, it was just preseason. A win is just as unimportant as the three losses that preceded it. Most importantly, it didn't seem there were any new injuries. Another impressive night from Tom Brandstater, huh? Sure, he was only 16 of 30, but you've got to like his poise in the pocket and his arm strength. At least I do. Plus, four takeaways for the defense. Probably not important, but still nice to get off the schneid so we don't have to hear any more about that. Same for the result - the win doesn't matter to anyone but us. Of course, that brings us to final cuts either today or tomorrow (I believe the deadline is tomorrow at 2pm Eastern?). Meanwhile, this will be my last Horse Tracks until next Thursday, as my wife and I are taking a much-needed getaway. Who goes to Florida in September? Apparently, this dope. I hope you all have a great Labor Day Weekend; be safe and enjoy it!

NFL - Videos: Broncos 19, Cardinals 0 - Game Highlights

NFL - Arizona Cardinals at Denver Broncos - Box Score

DB - Cardinals Postgame: McDaniels - Broncos TV

DB - Cardinals Postgame: Brandstater - Broncos TV

DP - Broncos' backups salvage finale - Mike Klis

CSG - Broncos coach McDaniels takes relationship with QBs to new level - Frank Schwab
The Schwab takes a deeper look into how Josh McDaniels is coaching up the QBs

Y! - '09 owner rankings, 1-16; Kraft-y payoff - Mike Silver
According to Silver, Pat Bowlen was unaware he had to give the NFL a full deposit of $21 million to cover the balance of Shanny's contract. Whoops. I wonder if that's a rule that resulted in part from Shanny's dispute with The Crypt Keeper...This would explain some of the cash flow issues we've heard about...

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DB - Putting it Together - Gray Caldwell

DB - The Best of the Best - Mike Rice
Rice shares his picks for the Broncos' all-time time. Today is the last day to vote, folks!

DB - Momentum for the Long Haul - Chris Gentilviso

DP - Kiszla: McD needs to learn Tracy's human touch

DP - Four turnovers major feast for Broncos - Lindsay Jones

DP - Broncos still have more questions than answers - Jeff Legwold
Oddly, Legwold makes it sound like Tom Brandstater's roster spot was in doubt before last night.

DP - Defense rallies to make things interesting - Staff notes

DP - Cardinals-Broncos preseason game breakdown - Lindsay Jones

CSG - Rookie QB leads Broncos to win over Cardinals - Frank Schwab

CSG - Broncos starters play sparingly - Frank Schwab

CSG - Review: Broncos 3 things to watch - Frank Schwab

AP - Denver Broncos' Brandstater solid in 19-0 win over Arizona Cardinals - Pat Graham

DB - Cardinals vs. Broncos: First Half Live Blog - Zach Eisendrath

DB - Cardinals vs. Broncos: Second Half Live Blog - Zach Eisendrath

NFP - Diner morning news: Jets should avoid Marshall - Mike Lombardi

NFL - NFLTA: What to do with Marshall
Rich Eisen talks to Jason La Canfora, who says Brian Xanders is not bringing up BMarsh in any conversations with other GMs. Plus, he hears the front office thinks they can win the division this year. And then he talks to Rod Woodson and Jamie Dukes. Not fun.

DB - The Best of the Best - Mike Rice
Rice shares his picks for the Broncos' all-time time. Today is the last day to vote, folks!

CSG - QB-coach relationships in today's NFL - Frank Schwab

CSG - Relationships between QBs, coaches not always fun - Frank Schwab

NFL Results

NFL - Kansas City Chiefs 9 at St. Louis Rams 17
Tyler Thigpen had a night to forget, going 2 for 9 with two picks.

NFL - Oakland Raiders 21 at Seattle Seahawks 31
The Sea Chickens got big games from rookies Aaron Curry and QB Mike Teel

NFL - Indianapolis Colts 7 at Cincinnati Bengals 38
The Bangles' backups rushed for 296 yards and Carson's little brother had two TD passes.

NFL - Detroit Lions 17 at Buffalo Bills 6
Matthew Stafford struggled for the Lions.

NFL - Philadelphia Eagles 27 at New York Jets 38
Michael Vick was put down, I mean sacked four times last night. Mark Sanchez was a perfect 5-for-5 with a TD pass in his final prep. Huge night for Jets RB Danny Woodhead.

NFL - Baltimore Ravens 20 at Atlanta Falcons 3
Ravens QB John Beck saw plenty of action, throwing 28 passes including 2 TDs.

NFL - New York Giants 27 at New England Patriots 38
Pats QB Brian Hoyer played the entire game (and well), while BenJarvus Green-Ellis had a huge game. Young Giants WRs Moss, Manningham and Nicks all had big games.

NFL - Washington Redskins 17 at Jacksonville Jaguars 24
David Garrard was efficient in his final tuneup, while Skins WR Marko Mitchell caught a TD for the third straight game.

NFL - Cleveland Browns 23 at Chicago Bears 26
Neither Quinn nor Anderson played for the Brownies

NFL - Green Bay Packers 13 at Tennessee Titans 27
Vince Young continued his resurgence, while B.J. Raji had a big game (no, the Broncos could not have traded up for him).

NFL - Miami Dolphins 10 at New Orleans Saints 7
The Fish racked up 8 sacks, and Ted's favorite CB from the draft (Sean Smith) made another big play.

NFL - Pittsburgh Steelers 21 at Carolina Panthers 10
Isaac Redman and Stefan Logan came through for the Stillers, while Marcus Goodson was productive for the Panthers.

AFC West News

KCS - KC defense fares well against Rams - Adam Teicher

KCS - Chiefs can’t find their way to end zone in 17-9 loss - Kent Babb

KCS - These quarterbacks are terrible - Jason Whitlock

KCS - Preseason blitz - Adam Teicher

KCS - Haley splits time as head coach, offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach - Kent Babb

NFP - NFL notes: Haley taking charge in K.C. - Matt Bowen

SDUT - Chargers hopefuls eye final audition - Kevin Acee

SDUT - NFL commissioner raises possibility of renovating the Q - Matthew Hall

SFG - Raiders Silver and Black Blog : Russell or Rankin? - David White

CCT - In short, Raiders starters give a much better effort - Steve Corkran

NFL News

NFL - Goodell: Slow labor negotiations likely mean no salary cap in 2010

NFL - Buccaneers fire offensive coordinator Jagodzinski, promote Olson

NFL - Saints lose veteran TE Miller to apparent leg injury vs. Dolphins

NFL - Bruised leg causes Jaguars RB Jones-Drew to leave game vs. Redskins

NFL - Bears RB Jones exits game vs. Browns after injuring ankle

NFL - Titans choose not to sign QB Lemon, WRs Jones and Parker after workout

NFL Opinion

Y! - Goodell displays good judgment with Vick ruling - Dan Wetzel

FOX - 7 Points: Favre is far from shaking the rust - Ed Thompson

FOX - The Scheiners: 2009 NFL award predictions

FOX - Top 10 bold NFL predictions for 2009 - Peter Schrager
Schrager thinks the Broncos will continue their free fall from last year.

SI - Jay Cutler, Darren Sharper among NFL storylines to watch - Kerry J. Byrne

PFW - Five Rams players on the spot - Dan Arkush

NFP - Transition time in Carolina - Robert Boland

NFL - Big opening weekend highlights college football season for NFL scouts - Bucky Brooks

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Thanks NYC

and thanks NFLN for rebroadcasting the game just as I finished packing the kids lunches for tomorrow. I missed the first go around due to school meetings, but what a happy way to end the evening. Team looked really good, very few mistakes/penalties, and of course a positive turnover differential. I could tell the D had been practicing runbacks — none of them seemed astonished to end up with the ball or tentative about running with it at all. Say what you want about the Cards going 0-4 in the preseason — that team was in the last SB, people, and we just blanked them!!!

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 6:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Oh yeah, and have a great well earned vacation, nyc!

We’ll miss ya!

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 6:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Hey, I'm in Florida EVERY September

And it sucks about as much as you think it does. :)

Come back around November or December… much better weather. Have fun! You goin to see the Mouse?

by BroncosBassist on Sep 4, 2009 7:18 AM MDT reply actions  

There’s just two of us, no little ones for a while. So no to the Mouse; we’re going to Sarasota, and Thanks!

by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 4, 2009 7:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Got friends there

and we’re spending time in St. Pete beach over the weekend. Enjoy the beach — it’ll probably rain, but not all day.

by BroncosBassist on Sep 4, 2009 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

went to

USN Boot Campin Orlando in 1987 in Sept and Oct and it was brutal. Seeing up to that point I had never left Colorado. Thye humdity was awful

somethings wrong, Trying to conquer these fears i thought were gone. And it's been so long, I'm dying to live in a world i don't belong

by broncfanstuckinsd on Sep 4, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's freaking hot down here. Just say no.

You are a dope for coming down to Florida right now. Don’t do it. It’s stifling, it’s humid and it has been raining ridiculously hard every other day.

It’s September, you should be headed to Colorado for a trip into the mountains. Indian Summer, deep blue skies, changing Aspen trees and very few crowds to contend with. Colorado is the greatest place on the planet in September. September in Florida is Hurricane season. BTW GO CANES!

Come back to Florida in late January when we’re enjoying our sixty third consecutive day of 70 degrees and a light sea breeze.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Sep 4, 2009 7:19 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, I would have to say we didn’t truly think this one through. But come January we’ll be looking for 80s and 90s, not 70s. Your CO advice is noted, McG.

by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 4, 2009 7:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well, it’s not all bad.

Remember to bring a pair of sunglasses so you can scope the never-ending pipeline of bikini clad talent without your wife noticing.

Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.

by McGeorge on Sep 4, 2009 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol

Ah yes, how fondly I remember the spectacular talent at Cedar Key. But I was a younger, stronger man back then — I’d probably have a heart attack if I took a walk down there today! ^^

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks nyc!

Hope you and the Mrs. have plenty o’ good times.

Leavin’ on a good note too – Great tracks (as always)

First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and we oughtta let someone else have a fair shot : )

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Sep 4, 2009 7:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks nyc for tracks,

enjoy the get-a-way, what ever the weather…

Real Power, comes with the realization that One cannot change the Moment;
only ones perception of it: Atitude! JQM

by UB3 on Sep 4, 2009 7:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks, UB3 – Hoping to just lay on the beach and vegetate, basically…

by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 4, 2009 7:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks NYC

Broncs do good for a change, but little news on it. I guess the reason is it’s just preseason, but that didn’t protect them from criticism either, hmmmm.

Have fun in Florida

"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton

by diviesti on Sep 4, 2009 7:57 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks NYC

Have a safe and fun trip. We will miss you

live and die blue and orange

by jerry251 on Sep 4, 2009 8:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks Nyc

Enjoy your R&R.

"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw

by KaptainKirk on Sep 4, 2009 9:08 AM MDT reply actions  

I give the Broncos an A- last night

as exhibition games go. (watched it late at night rerun on the NFLN.) The expected flatness later in the game and of course it’s exhibition and yadda yadda. But D looks better and better. Special teams coverage was better. OL play was better. Brandstater did a good job leading the offense for a good while, even if he reminded us at times he is a rookie. And those turnovers were a rare pleasure. A meaningless game but a good way to lead into the real ones.

I don’t think it’s that weird to think Brandstater’s spot might not have been secure; it’s not always a given teams carry 3 QB’s, though with Simms and Orton hurting it certainly makes more sense to do so!

Walker seemed to have solidified his spot over Jordan (unless they carry an extra back). Picking the backup safeties won’t be easy now either.

Glad they have ten days for the QBs to keep healing before the first game.

And happy travels, nyc!

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Sep 4, 2009 9:18 AM MDT reply actions  

the secondary looked great...

they were alover the field trying to make plays. there were quite a few balls that couldve been intercepted but were atleast knocked away. i thought the d looked a hell of a lot better.
 but man o man did i get hammered with texts last night asking if we paid off the refs last night. especially after the horsecollar and late hit. all on the same play. but over all i was impressed. i was hoping the cards would do a little better thatn they did seeing as how im from az but def glad to see we whooped the hell out of them.

by s.west.railroader on Sep 4, 2009 9:24 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

who texts a complaint during an exhibition game?

now that’s dedication!

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Sep 4, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

To pick a nit

To be a horse collar tackle, the player must immediately be brought to the ground. If the tackle is not complete (ie, the grip is released before completion of the tackle), it is not a horse collar. The QB stayed up, so I gues it was technically NOT a horse collar.

But that brings up a question. For some reason, I was under the impression that tackling by grabbing the back of the collar was legal, as long as the defender did not simultaneously fall on the back of the legs. Am I making this up, did they adjust the initial horse collar rules, or what? Someone help!

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on Sep 4, 2009 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

From Scout.com
• All players are prohibited from grabbing the inside collar of the back of the shoulder pads or jersey, or the inside collar of the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, and immediately pulling down the runner. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket. Previously, the "horse-collar" tackle rule did not include the back of the shoulder pads or jersey. This increases the scope of the rule. Penalty: Loss of 15 yards

I don’t think there’s anythign about falling on the legs.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Sep 4, 2009 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Found the same stuff on Wikipedia

I swear I heard something about not falling on legs when the rule was first created, but I haven’t found a single shred of evidence to back it up. That makes the conclusion pretty easy: it’s a vast, international conspiracy to discredit me. :oP

Thanks for double-check!

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on Sep 4, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

im gonna pass that on to my buddy.
  i work with him as well and he tried giving me a hard time about it again. knowing him tho, he wont care and just likes giving me a hard time because i defend anything and everything when it comes to the broncs. i take it a little too seriously sometimes. (dont know if thats a good thing or a bad thing).

by s.west.railroader on Sep 4, 2009 12:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Watching Aaron Curry btw

makes me feel even stronger (I did at the time) that the chiefs erred in picking Tyson Jackson over him. I understand needs and all that and Jackson will probably be fine but Curry is something special. Take the best player on defense, Chiefs.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Sep 4, 2009 9:28 AM MDT reply actions  

Hee hee

“while B.J. Raji had a big game (no, the Broncos could not have traded up for him).”

Nice, nyc. ;-)

Btw, just a pet peeve of mine but can we all try not to call the Dolphins the “fish”? The “phins” or “fins” sure. But not fish. Marlins are fish. Dolphins are mammals (and probably smarter than we are ;-) ) /pet peeve, off

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Sep 4, 2009 9:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Brandstater plays a lot like...

Big Ben. Naturally people assumed if McDaniels drafted him than he was destined to be the next Tom Brady, but I see a lot more Roethlisberger in his game. He’s more mobile than advertised.

Though it’s obvious why QBs don’t usually wear #3. You want 6 points every drive, not 3 :P

by ELGee on Sep 4, 2009 9:48 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

lol

"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com

by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 4, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd be okay with 6

but for some it might be too soon. ; )

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Reserve 6 for Thunder’s poo pail.

by ELGee on Sep 4, 2009 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol classic!!

Like the 7 they put on the fire hydrants all over Cleveland?

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well then wouldn't wearing #7 be a better...

… oh, right. That guy. Never mind.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".

by underdog on Sep 4, 2009 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

As always, NYC,

You give the MHR faithful more, better and faster than any other source.

Thanks

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Sep 4, 2009 9:58 AM MDT reply actions  

That's a heck of a 'Tracks', nyc

Is it coming out in paperback? The hard bound would take up too much room no my desk…..Have a great vacation, my friend!

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 4, 2009 10:00 AM MDT reply actions  

thx nyc

will miss your work….enjoy!

by BideshiBronco on Sep 4, 2009 10:22 AM MDT reply actions  

play those that play with fire

after watching last night against the cardinals, i noticed there was a lot of effort and excitement by several players trying to lock down a spot on the roster. if this is to be a rebuilding year that many prognosticators are calling for, why not play them and get some experience for the future. i like brandstaters progress through the preseason, i think he has the most upside of the qb’s.
thanks to nyc for the site. earlier poster was right, colorado in sept. is the best vacation, especially if you like a little fly-fishing.

by golfdoc on Sep 4, 2009 10:39 AM MDT reply actions  

Except that McD obviously doesn't think this year is a rebuilding year

Given the Phons trade and pick given to Seattle, McD obviously thinks this team can win, and win immediately.

Whether he’s right, or whether this really will be a rebuilding year, is why the debates get so intense at times around here…

But for right or wrong, playing young guys like this is a “rebuilding” year would be completely inconsistent with everything McD has done to date.

by cjfarls on Sep 4, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe it should just be called an "adjustment" year.

"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.

by Disco_Stu on Sep 4, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great Tracks

enjoy the vacation. You’ll be missed.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Sep 4, 2009 11:11 AM MDT reply actions  

MSM Prejudice

I just noted something. None of the major MSM outlets had any story about last night’s game.

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 11:15 AM MDT reply actions  

Why should they?

Just because the team so many are saying is in utter disarray and about to crater just blanked the starting O for the reigning NFC champions. You think we’d get a some play for that? ; )

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for a bulging Tracks, NYC!

Enjoy your deserved time off.. look forward to your return!

" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "

by hairybear on Sep 4, 2009 4:31 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm sure I'll still be reading these same links

until well after you are back…

Enjoy your vacation!

Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.

by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 4, 2009 10:29 PM MDT reply actions  

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