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Hard words on Brandon Marshall and an update on Le Kevin Smith

Whether you believe Josina Anderson or not, there is no denying she always has something interesting to say.  With aparrent inside sources throughout virtually ever locker room and the League office, Anderson always claims to have the inside info. 

Another example came today on Anderson's blog, which included updates on Le Kevin Smith's injury and Brandon Marshall's mental condition.  Here is what she had to say -

Broncos defensive end Le Kevin Smith is currently rehabilitating a torn meniscus, according to sources with knowledge of Smith's injury situation.

Smith, who did not participate in the team’s last 2 preseason games, was brought in to bolster the depth along the defensive line.

However sources tell me that Smith’s kind of injury can keep players out four to six weeks.  Specifically, the same sources say Smith should miss at least two more games given his own current prognosis. Whether he’ll be allowed that remaining minimum healing team remains to be seen.

Will that affect Smith's roster position?  The fact that the Broncos gave up a 5th-round pick for Smith tells me he is likely to be safe.

Star-divide

Then there is the update Anderson gives on Brandon Marshall.  First, Anderson talks of how Marshall is handling his suspension -

I have talked to multiple people who have talked to Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall in the midst of his team-imposed suspension for an outside perspective on Marshall’s mental status during his punishment.

These sources tell me uniformly that in their own conversations Marshall’s tone indicates a measure of sincerity and contrition, and that he’s appreciative of the people who’ve reached out to him. They say Marshall sounds like he plans to humbly reintegrate himself back into the team; however as one guy told me, "I am beyond the point of listening to what Brandon says, I only watch what he does now." The weight of mistrust in many of their reports is very heavy.

Perhaps the most telling parts of her Marshall update were the reported words of some of Marshall's teammates, both on and off the record -

Privately Marshall is drawing a lot of strong criticism, particularly from a number of his fellow starting teammates on both sides of the ball. Off the record, significant players have said things like: "he is killing his image;" "We don’t know what he is doing. Sometimes you can’t tell whether he’s coming or going;" "He can’t be trusted. I can’t put my name to vouch for how he’s acting right now;" "He’s acting like an idiot, this is not the way to get his money."

More specifically one defensive starter said, "Brandon is (edit) up, because if you look at it this is his contract year and he could be playing in a system totally geared around him. He is such a stupid (edit)."

Of course, they also know what we know - there simply isn't an easy way to replace what Marshall can do on the field so the hope is the two sides can come to some kind of accord.

There is also a tidbit about the reported contract the Broncos offered Marshall which alledgedly led to his pathetic behavior in practice last week -

According to these trusted sources, Marshall told them directly his videotaped frustration was partly connected to his disappointment with the terms of an extension the Broncos recently offered him. Sources were told by Marshall in his own words that this supposed deal averaged nine million dollars a year, but that his frustration stemmed from it being back-loaded as a result of his high risk behavior. Specifically, these sources say Marshall mentioned that this deal could have given him as little as three million in the first year, and that this detail was clearly not satisfactory to him and his statistical resume.  In conclusion, these sources who’ve talked directly to Marshall told me to take this information with caution because it was only his version of events as they relay it.

Call me crazy, but if Marshall in fact was offered an extension with details similar to what is described above he should have jumped at it.  Sure, the $3 million to start would be below market, but at least there is a golden nugget at the end.  Unless, of course, Marshall knows he'll never see it because of health concerns.

There are interesting tidbits about LaMont Jordan and Jarvis Moss as well which are right in line with the thinking here at MHR - Jordan might be in trouble (he is off my Final-53) and Moss could be in a last-minute battle with draft-mate Tim Crowder for a roster spot.  Check it out.

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Marshall's extension

I truly believe it has nothing to do with McDaniels, Bowlen or the training staff. Marshall does not want to play in Denver because he thinks he can make more money elsewhere. That’s why I’m not shocked that he supposedly turned down a contract extension. I think someone got in Marshall’s head about bigger city = bigger pay and endorsement contracts. Marshall wants to end up somewhere not with a winning culture, but with supposedly way better economic opportunities.

by Korilla on Sep 4, 2009 12:52 PM MDT reply actions  

With the Salary Cap market size shouldn't matter.

There are always extra ways to make some money, but I don’t think those amount to a great deal in a relative sense.

by MTBroncoFan on Sep 4, 2009 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Visibility

I don’t disagree with you re: salary cap. But I do think visibility helps for getting better endorsement opportunities on a national level. And it’s hard to argue that players are as visible from a national perspective in Denver as they would be in say, New York, Philadelphia or Chicago, particularly if the Broncos aren’t winning.

I’m not saying that Marshall would be right in thinking this, just that he might be thinking this. I heard it bandied about a little regarding Cutler, too.

If it is indeed a money thing, more money will not make Marshall a better teammate/football player/citizen. As the old saying goes, “money can’t buy class.”

by Korilla on Sep 4, 2009 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also

It should be noted that Cutler hasn’t wasted any time gaining media exposure in Chicago, lest we forget the magazine photo shoot he recently did there.

by Korilla on Sep 4, 2009 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Pretty Gay

Cutler looked pretty gay, charitably metrosexual, in that spread.

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I live in CT

We always get the giants, jests and patriot news where I’m at. Right in the center of them all. If he is looking at gaining some type of endorsement contracts NYC is the one of the best places to be. Provided he produces moderatly big numbers and stays out of trouble.

For what ever that’s worth.

by papasteven on Sep 4, 2009 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess

But you know, I see people here in Brooklyn wearing Marshall jerseys from time to time.

If he would just freakin’ puts up, he’ll get plenty of money and exposure. He was on the cover of SI.com today. People are watching. Jay is super high profile because of all the noise from the trade, and he was on an upswing even in Denver with the pro bowl berths, etc.

The solution to all of Marshall’s problems is to put up.

Although I do agree, the contract of $3 million is low. I just don’t understand why the Broncos just don’t incentivize the heck out of his contract. To backload is an insult. Attach significant portions to performance and behavior clauses, with a modicum of guaranteed money to start.

Anyone have any insight on what that’s not the obvious contract solution here?

by jvill on Sep 4, 2009 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Marshall

There are two sides to every contract.

Marshall’s emotive requirement=I want all the money now.
Team’s business requirement=show us that you’re worth it first

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Popeye

In the movie Popeye, there’s a great line by Wimpy. I’ll give you a $1 tomorrow for hamburger today. That’s Marshall’s position. If it was your money and your team, would you do it? Personally, I’d be reluctant given his shenanigans.

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

arent most contracts heavily backloaded?

he is probably just afraid that he’ll mess us again and he wants his big money up front

by purplesocks on Sep 4, 2009 12:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Only the salaries are backloaded

What we don’t know is how much was guaranteed, which is the only thing that matters in an NFL contract. If it was only $3 million or so, then of course Marshall wouldn’t sign.

by Douglas A. Lee on Sep 4, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I had heard

that there was no guaranteed money in the new contract offer. But then that was the super blimp from NFLTA talking also. For whatever that is worth.

by papasteven on Sep 4, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's What I Heard, Too

The report I saw was that there’s no guaranteed money. Which supposedly is why Marshall turned it down (he said he couldn’t accept no guaranteed money) and is also why he behaved the way he did in practice last Thursday.

by CompUser on Sep 4, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

NFL Contracts are very misleading.

It is usually only the guaranteed money that is paid, when it runs out, contracts are renegotiated. Backloading usually has more to do with Ego (like $93M Rivers) than what they’ll realistically earn.

by MTBroncoFan on Sep 4, 2009 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sound about right with ego marshall

give me the big ego money and i’ll play hard for you

by papasteven on Sep 4, 2009 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Marshall in McD's system
More specifically one defensive starter said, “Brandon is (edit) up, because if you look at it this is his contract year and he could be playing in a system totally geared around him. He is such a stupid (edit).”

I couldn’t agree more with this. I’ve said before, he could absolutely blow up in McD’s offense. Hope he does.

This is what we wanted...
Hey, look what we got!

by pubkeeper on Sep 4, 2009 12:56 PM MDT reply actions  

What bona fide for real upper eschelon WR would NOT want to play in the NE-style offense

and try to meet or beat Randy Moss’s production!?? B Marsh must really want that money because he’s certainly not going to go anywhere that will give him anything near this opportunity again, IMO.

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is what confuses me.

I mean if he didn’t like the contract extension that the Broncos gave him then why not work hard and play in McDaniels’ system. He could possibly have a good year and then the Broncos might sign him for what he wants…..then we are both happy. He has the chance, just needs to take advantage of it.

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by weazel on Sep 4, 2009 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that is what confuses everyone

Only Brandon can possibly know what’s goes on inside his head at times like this, and honestly I’m not sure he gives it that much consideration.

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Marshall = highly skilled "Thug"....

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by Hogblog on Sep 4, 2009 1:01 PM MDT reply actions  

I say

if he plays every game , and plays at his standards, we slap the franchise tag on him, give him a pretty decent amount of money for that 1 year. And then if he continues to be good and perform offer him a deal, if he declines, he declines, we move on.

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by BDAWKisaBRONC on Sep 4, 2009 1:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Even if the sources are a stretch

I still loving reading insider quotes. I really hate the media, it’d be so refreshing if people could just speak their mind.

by legendarywalton on Sep 4, 2009 1:08 PM MDT reply actions  

it's...

… not the media’s fault that people don’t speak their minds. and it’s the media that just supplied these insider quotes.

by jvill on Sep 4, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

What's believable?

I am totally in line with believing what this kid (term intended) does, and not whatever he says. Until he actually DOES something positive, I won’t believe a word out of his mouth, good or bad. IF he said this or that about a possible contract, I wouldn’t believe it. IF he didn’t sign something, I would base my opinion on that action. He has got to DO something positive for his teammates and this organization, not SAY, until I would place any trust in him going to battle with me. And if I can’t trust him, I don’t want him around. IMHO. Trade value is squat, so let’s hear what a good option would be, I’m not smart enough to know those options.

by azbroncomaniac on Sep 4, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions  

On a different angle...

if I was speaking to a reporter “off the record”, I’d be upset that I was quoted word for word with only the cover of “one defensive player said.” It should have been AT THE MINIMUM, “one teammate said.”

IMO, though, off the record is off the record. It’s for background info and locker room/team “feel” for the benefit of the reporter. You don’t then go out and provide a word for word quote. Again, IMO, this is one of the reasons why players don’t like talking to the media…

Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."

by BroncTastic on Sep 4, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree with you

Off the record is off the record. As a former journalism student, I flinched when I read that.

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by underdog on Sep 4, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Off the record

I am in the PR buisness and I can tell you it is fairly common for reporters use direct quotes given in “off-the-record” interviews — but only after they negotiate with the source on the degree of attribution. A reporter and source may begin the conversation as a completely background discussion, but if the source says something the reporter wants to report, the reporter will ask if the quote can be used, and the reporter and source will agree on how it can be used. In this instance, I’m sure Josina and the player were both comfortable with the way the source was identified in the story. Otherwise, she just burned a source for a not-all-that significant quote, and she is too good of a reporter to do that.

by DCbroncfan on Sep 4, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

The journalist...

… will usually make an agreement with the source on how to be identified. Off the record just means without a sources name. How that anonymity is masked varies.

Do you know for sure that the source did not agree to be identified as “one defensive player”?

Why would a reporter deliberately mislead her sources when she covers such a small world as the Denver Broncos? She certainly won’t get many tips afterward. Doesn’t make much sense.

by jvill on Sep 4, 2009 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Smith

I’ll bet he starts the season on the PUP list, with either Askew or Clemons making the final 53. Also, it should bode well for Pedescleaux making the practice squad. I still don’t see both Moss and Crowder making the team.

by ButteBronco on Sep 4, 2009 1:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm glad that the other players said those things about Brandon...

he needs to get his head on straight. Those comments tell me that this team wants to win with or without him.

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by broncoholic on Sep 4, 2009 1:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Players with heavily backloaded contracts...

rarely end up seeing the last few years. I’m not surprised Marshall wasn’t thrilled with the offer. On the other hand, it seems like he and his agent should have been able to negotiate for a better contract, so long as he played nice… d’oh!

by jack_ on Sep 4, 2009 1:55 PM MDT reply actions  

First cuts

made today, according to Denver Post blog:

On Friday, the team released center Kory Lichtensteiger, a fourth-round draft pick in 2008, undrafted rookie linebacker Lee Robinson and running back Marcus Thomas; offensive lineman Clint Oldenburg; defensive end Matthias Askew. The team is also working on an injury settlement to release offensive lineman Matt McChesney, who didn’t play in Thursday’s game because of a sprained ankle.

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by underdog on Sep 4, 2009 2:09 PM MDT reply actions  

oops saw your post one second to late

by GreasyQtip on Sep 4, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

They also just announced a bunch of cuts...

Lichtensteiger, Powell, Lee Robinson, Marcus Thomas, They are working out an injury settlement with McChesney… I forget the other names sorry.

by GreasyQtip on Sep 4, 2009 2:20 PM MDT reply actions  

Haha No worries

Only mildly surprised about Lichtensteiger, and not at all surprised about the other guys. More “surprising” names will come tomorrow.

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by underdog on Sep 4, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

You could see 'Steiger's cut coming

I wondered about his when they brought in Olsen. When they wanted Hochstein, I was fairly certain. ‘Steiger, much as a like him, is a ZB lighter, smaller center/guard. McD wants to increase the amount of man and gap blocking and decrease the ZB (while not dropping it). Kory just isn’t going to fit the ‘new look’ Broncos.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 4, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sort of agree

I don’t think McD wants to de-emphasize the ZB as much as he just wants to get bigger and stronger on the O-line.

by SlowWhiteGuy on Sep 4, 2009 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought we were struggling a little

running the man blocking scheme in preseason – do you think that was mostly game-situation practice, or will we run it that much more this year?

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 4, 2009 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Same Thing

I saw the OLine struggling primarily when they were running man/gap blocking rather than ZB. Regardless, Lick your whatever wasn’t cuttin’ it.

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

my two bits

We certainly haven’t looked proficient when run-blocking.

The ZB scheme is one thing I’m loath to see them de-emphasize but it’s misleading to identify our OL solely with ZB. All teams run ZB to some degree, the question is whether we’re able to do more than that. And my recent viewings of our OL make me worry about our interior OL’s ability to run block.

I think we can boil it down to whether we can do more; not a trade of ZB for something else. I’m also not happy seeing our OL being all too frequently pushed around. Road graders may never be our style but we don’t have to lose the physical battles on the line.

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by Colinski on Sep 4, 2009 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’ve been particularly concerned with our OLine guard play. They’re not opening Broncos football running lanes. Whatever the scheme!

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

Seems like he woulda been better suited to the ‘old look’ Broncos.

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by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

hopefully lee robinson drops to the PS

by lolcopter on Sep 4, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I had lichtensteiger getting dropped when we went from 80 to 75, so it isn’t that surprising to me — even though I figured I would be wrong about him getting dropped this time, so I kept him on my mock roster

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by Todd Jewell on Sep 4, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

yea agreed, Lich isnt really needed since Hamilton would be center if we Weigg went down. So really he was competing with some of our new upcoming guards and people McD brought with him.

Also would love to see Lee on the PS obviously we cant keep more inside backers over larsen and woodyard so he couldn’t outcompete the fact we need to keep alot of OLB.

by GreasyQtip on Sep 4, 2009 2:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I still say gaurantee Marshall free agency at the end of this season.

We can’t do that now of course or we would be rewarding his recent bad behavior but if say a month ago we had done that he would have played hard for us this year and if we decided we wanted to keep him we could still try to resign him after this season. We got his services cheap so far, we could have had one more year.

by Lisa FB on Sep 4, 2009 2:29 PM MDT reply actions  

And let him walk

With no compensation?

This would be a terrible move by the front office IMO, when they can slap a franchise tag on him, and get a 1st and 3rd.

by powderaddict on Sep 4, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

And you never know...

with all these teams desperate for a wide receiver this year, maybe someone will up the ante and make it a 1, 3 AND a player.

You just never know in this crazy world we live in.

Franchise his bum after the year.

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by Joe Medina on Sep 4, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gaurantee him nothing.

He needs to get the message loud and clear that we own him and his future. There is not much more for us to loose right now by giving him his 2,354th chance to show he’s either worth keeping or giving up picks and player for.

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by odarol on Sep 4, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let him play

show he is willing to help the team. Then trade him.

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by jerry251 on Sep 4, 2009 3:58 PM MDT reply actions  

I wonder what was guaranteed and how long it was for

3 mil his first year. wiith or without a bonus?
but if you assume with a bonus and a 5 year deal with him making say 900k the first year

the guaranteed bonus would be only around 9 to 10 million

Of course if the contract was so overly backloaded he knew he’d have to be cut I could see where his frustration is stemming from. Like if he is set to make 17 mil his last year theres a good chance he’d be cut used for the first 3 years then cut or traded with a smaller cap hit. Id be frustrated to if that was offered to me but Marshall should know to act better play a good year and get better terms

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by RiG on Sep 4, 2009 4:31 PM MDT reply actions  

McDaniels traded a 5th for LeKevin and a 7th, it wasn’t straight up.

by frontalobe on Sep 4, 2009 4:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Right

And then he used the pick back to NE to bring in Hochstein. A 5th for a possible starter, definite rotation DL player and a backup with experience at three positions on the line. Nice trade work

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 4, 2009 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

so far personally

I’m pretty impressed with what I’ve seen of X’s handiwork.

Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.

by broncosmontana on Sep 4, 2009 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ditto

Xander has been a busy man.

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

thank you for recognizing that

A certain poster — who shall remain nameless but doesn’t bother me, actually — thinks that McDaniels spends his break time arranging all these deals. If so, he must the most productive individual we’ve ever heard of because it actually takes a lot of time to conduct all this business.

The personnel side of the Broncos has been and continues to be very busy.

During Xanders’ first offseason as general manager in 2009, the Broncos led the NFL in both new player acquisitions (46) and unrestricted free agent signings (16).

I’m intrigued by tomorrow’s visit by Vonnie Holliday. LK Smith’s reported (although unconfirmed) knee problem leaves us thin. And thoughts on this subject?

Former Dolphins defensive lineman Vonnie Holliday, unsigned since the Dolphins cut him this offseason, may not be unemployed very much longer.

Holliday is tonight traveling to Denver to visit the Broncos about signing and becoming part of that team’s 53-man roster, according to an AFC West personnel source.

Holliday has visited the Broncos once already, that during the offseason. It is believed if the Broncos deem Holliday in good shape and health, they may offer him a contract. That team cut two defensive linemen — Matthias Askew and Carlton Powell — earlier Friday.

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by Colinski on Sep 4, 2009 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

The "Show Me" Contract

It sounds like the Broncos may have offered Marshall a “show me” contract. Show me you can perform and we’ll pay you handsomely. If not, we’ll pay you a little more than what we already owe you for this year.

If I were Marshall, I’d go for it Dude!

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 8:56 PM MDT reply actions  

or Cut Me Contract

if it so overly back-loaded where we’d have to cut him in three years

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by RiG on Sep 4, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

If He Proves Himself

We would not cut him. If he doesn’t, then yes because he could not or would not perform.

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 10:27 PM MDT reply actions  

shoot

meant as a reply to RIG

by Endzone on Sep 4, 2009 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

A word from Walsh

When Bill Walsh took over the 2-14 49ers and built them into a SB champ, he later claimed that September was the most important month fo team-building due to the waiver-wire. He claimed that if you could see how a certain guy fit into your system – and McD used to scheme against Vinnie, so he has some experience with him – you can improve your team much more quickly. It worked for him – it might work for us

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Sep 5, 2009 2:12 AM MDT reply actions  

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