Horse Tracks - 9/6/09 - Broncos trim roster to 53 with more changes to come
by John Bena on Sep 6, 2009 6:34 AM MDT
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Moss surprisingly makes Broncos roster - Frank Schwab(Gazette.com)
The biggest surprise among Saturday’s final cuts by the Denver Broncos might have been one of the players that survived.
Crowder goes, Moss stays for Broncos - Lindsay Jones(DP)
Two years ago, the Broncos used their top two draft picks on Jarvis Moss and Tim Crowder, with the hope the defensive ends would energize the team's pass rush.
Kiszla's Mailbag
Feel free to skip over this...Oy Ve!
Broncos roster takes shape - Mike Klis(DP)
Veteran coach, rookie coach. Apparently, it doesn't matter. After the Broncos temporarily set their 53-man roster Saturday, they once again wound up with players at every position.
Roster Limit Reached; Holliday Signed - Chris Gentilviso(DB.com)
Saturday's regular-season roster deadline brought several shuffles by the Broncos to reduce the team to 53 players.
NFL: Broncos in a fix as season looms - Jeff Legwold(Salt Lake Trib)
Now on the doorstep to his first regular season as the Broncos head coach, McDaniels still has decisions to make. It's just a whole different set of problems on offense right now.
Broncos release final 12, add Holliday to get to 53(SeattlePI.com)
Defensive linemen Tim Crowder and Nic Clemons were among the players listed on the Denver Broncos' final list of cuts, while veteran end Vonnie Holliday was added to the roster as the team established its 53-man roster.
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Yesterday’s Bronco cut downs were the least controversial I can remember in years, maybe decades. I’m not exactly crestfallen over anyone that got axed. Somehow I think we’ll manage to still field an NFL football team without Walker, the invisible Crowder and Clemons. When we release Gorin or Chad Jackson today, that won’t cut me too deep either.
Really glad to see Barrett make the team after the offseason work he put in. Moss earned it with a monster game vs Arizona.
As for the practice squad: I’m hoping we bring back Peds, Lee Robinson, Tony Carter, and DJ Johnson. I vot no Swift. I like Swift, but Denver needs to sign a deep threat to the PS and Swift aint that guy. Maybe we can sign Rhett Bomar to the PS. Also a speed back and Center.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Hoping for Robinson and Pedescleaux, in particular
Meanwhile, what I liked about Moss Thursday was that he looked comfortable rushing from the end position opposite Elvis.
If he can keep that up, he could be a force in passing downs — and part of a terrific pressure tandem.
I should add
that one reason I was high on Moss heading into OTAs is the length of his arms, which I reckoned could make up for being a half step slow in coverage (which I assumed many of the converted DEs would be, at least initially).
So I was happy to see him get his hands on a pass Thursday evening, as well.
He still needs lots of work — he sometimes tends to slow down after his initial moves are stuffed — but here’s hoping the extended play time gives him plenty of film to look at, and that he makes the necessary adjustments in order to begin a climb up the depth chart.
Yeah Moss has that quick first step
But he seems somewhat flummoxed after his first move is defeated/countered. Hopefully he can learn to link 2 or 3 moves together and just get better- I have hopes that the new coaching staff can do this.
I was encouraged by his game on Thursday, but not so pleased with the way he whiffed on at least 2 sacks- sorta seemed to run past them…. like to see him finish those plays.
by AllBroncsallday on Sep 6, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Same here
Mr. McGeorge, I am not surprised by any of the cuts. I like Josh Barrett as well.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Kizla did have this little gem in his mailbag.
“McDaniels is inaccurately portrayed as a little dictator because that caricature fits the broad strokes of his critics. Does McD have much to learn? Sure. But tell you what: The new Broncos coach doesn’t have nearly as much ego as the man who previously held the job in Denver.”
klis or kiszla??
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 6, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Mail bag
I rarely read Kizla’s articles as my perception is he too often tries to be a mini Cossell, meaning reaching for controversy in order to sell news papers and get personal attention. However, his mail bag is far more balanced and unbiased so that is a regular read for me. The man can be a great writer when he gets off the negative kick and focuses on the underlying stories: like the borderline brilliant team construction plan of McDaniels that only gets attention at MHR.
by BroncoCUbuffs on Sep 6, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
borderline yes
brilliant? er seriously?
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 6, 2009 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Guru
None of the moves really shocked me, which is a good thing. Jordan knows the system thats why I think he made the team. Im sure the coach is going thru all the other cuts yesterday to see if anyone out there could help us
live and die blue and orange
Tidbit from SportsCenter here
Richard Seymour was traded to the Raiders from the Patriots for a first round draft pick today.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
Woah
"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com
by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 6, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
WOW!
I just about spit water all over my laptop!
That’s most likely a very high first-round pick!
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
Frankly
Does he even fit in Oakland?
I guess if you get a big contract in New England and your name isn’t Brady you better watch out.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Even Brady’s contract is a bit below what “elite” QBs are making…so he might be considered inexpensive.
Wish my version of “inexpensive” was at that level…
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
True Enough
Although isn’t this the last year of it? I know he is up for a new contract soon. Plus they have Vince. I bet this played a part.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Wilfork
Yeah, I bet you’re right. They may have been hoping Ron Brace would provide some leverage…perhaps he didn’t show enough. Very, very interesting…
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
If only I could be so inexpensive
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
this move
Makes my heart melt….go Raiders! to Infinity and beyond!
No matter how bad this season looks and what happened with the management moves we can be thankful we dont have Al Davis for an owner…so.so.so.so.so….glad!!!!!!
"Iron sharpens Iron."
My favorite teams are:
Broncos
and anyone playing against Da Bears!
I would check Suicide Watch for Seymour's name
How do you go from there to Jokeland?
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
It's not just a first round pick.....
……….. It’s a first round pick in 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Double WoW!
Heres the link for it now
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4450767
Looks like its pick in the 2011 draft. I guess Oakland is tired of having high draft picks, and want a player they know will help IMO.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
Not defending it
Just how many Jamarcus Russells, Darren Mcfadden’s can you promise the fans with a winning season before you realize your not good at selecting draft picks. Or they’re going to prove that they are good at doing nothing, and this will just salt the wound.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
Voting for dumb
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
So Seymour
is a Free Agent after this season?? So one year of Seymour in exchange for a future 1st round draft pick. Wow.
Now, in defense of acquiring him, he’s still a good player and he’s only 29 going on 30. And they have been terrible in the preseason on the DL. But still, one year of him for a future 1st rounder seems a steep price to pay, considering they likely won’t be able to resign him.
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If I didn’t hate the Patriots, I’d love to be a fan of that team. What a great trade for NE. Trading an aging, injury prone star at the tail end of his prime for what will likely be a very high 1st round pick? Sheesh.
I’m glad I hate the Faiders and their fans because this one would be tough to swallow as an Oakland fan.
I’m vocally against the Alphonso Smith trade, but at least Smith is an inexpensive young talent with untapped potential.
I know Seymore has three Super Bowl rings, but his best games (for the most part) are in the rear view mirror. 2011 is a long time away, but that day will roll around. And on that day, me thinks the Raiders will be kicking themselves (hard to the groin) for this trade.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Shouldn’t the NFL be watching this stuff? I mean really…this isn’t even fair. After the Randy Moss trade, shouldn’t oakland stay FAR away from any NE offer?
If I’m reading this right, the Patriots picked up Derrick Burgess and a 2011 1st round pick for Richard Seymour and a 4th round pick, which later became a 5th round pick.
Like taking candy from an undead baby…
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
Maybe Al Davis is trying
to make the Raiders value so low that he will own the team even when he is dead. The Coliseum will become his personal Pyramid, with a tomb for the Crypt Keeper under the field.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
Kicks to the groin shall heretofore be described as
High velocity applications of pressure to the lower extremities – or – “another masterful personnel move by Oakland”. Same difference no matter how you look at it.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Sep 6, 2009 10:01 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Or just
In the case of McDaniels’ great info to the frustrated media dogs: “An injury to the lower extremity.”
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
We're on the same page on this one.
What a horrible move for the oakland! You would think that the Madden AI is making the offseason moves for Al Davis. You could build the future of the team with a very high pick, or take a player that isn’t going to be around for long, and isn’t elite anyomore. Astonishingly foolish!
The Patriots hit a home run on this one. Perhaps we can get a 2012 1st rounder for one of our second stringers?
"Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep" Defoe
by Steve Nichols on Sep 6, 2009 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions
you have it backwards
we trade 1st rounders for seconds!
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 6, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Trade Value
If next year’s 1st is worth a high 2nd in this year, what does a 1st two years from now equal this year? Would it be a high 3rd?
next year
isn’t this next year’s first? 2010 is this year’s draft, 2011 is next year’s, right?
On another note about the Raiders
They also released Jeff Garcia, so I guess they think Russell is really improving. It is all on him now.
Week 1: @ Bengals
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Told ya Garcia would be out there...
But did I really see Harrington’s name go by on the ticker just now? There’s two QB’s who are both better than all three of ours!!
Other stuff to filter through
NFL Team Reports: AFC West on Cutdown Day – Yahoo
This comes from Sporting News. Do yourself a favor and don’t read the comments.
Cut down day: NFL teams pare rosters to 53 – AP
Don’t worry, it’s just the preseason? Think again, there’s reason to panic – Vic Carucci – NFL.com
MHR link listed on Sports Illustrated Bronco Team Page
This will take you to other Broncos news listings as well.
Raiders cut Garcia, 21 others – PFW
Projected starters LB Thomas, SS Pollard don’t make Chiefs’ final roster – PFW
OG Forney among Chargers’ 21 cuts; DE Bingham put on IR – PFW
"You give 100 percent in the first half of the game, and if that isn't enough, in the second half you give what's left." – Yogi Berra
"We don't stop playing because we grow old; We grow old because we stop playing." -- George Bernard Shaw
it looks like the chiefs also cut Lelie
Which is hardly surprising. But I wonder which desperate team might now pick him up? Chcago perhaps?
"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers
Shawne Merriman
San Diego may have a big problem. Shawne Merriman was arrested for assaulting his girlfriend, Tila Tequila. (nice pics via Google or Bing or whatever you use)
oh that shawne...
he’s still on the roids?
by RockyMountainHigh on Sep 6, 2009 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Suspension
I see a suspension around mid-season for Merriman for this. The reports lead me to believe that Merriman will have few defenses against the battery & false imprisonment charges.
lol
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
by broncosmontana on Sep 6, 2009 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions
There Goes
The Defense picking it up this year for San Diego. Man the west is so ripe for the taking if we could just play disciplined, smart football. We will see but I bet this seals the deal for Merriman leaving San Diego.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Limps Out
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
by broncosmontana on Sep 6, 2009 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions
a fly in the chargers ointment! Yeehaw!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The AFC west just got EVEN WEAKER! Very good for us indeed. Distraction. Turmoil. One less star on an enemy roster.
Odd trade
speaking of someone who was discussed here a few days ago (via Adam Schefter)
Jets make a trade (not for Brandon Marshall). Jets trade for QB Kevin O’Connell, whom Detroit claimed on waivers from New England.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
Scary...
Ok, what do we know about O’Connell?
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 6, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
He hasn't looked all that dominant
so far in pre season either. Looks like a problem for the Bolts. Too bad, so sad. Gonna be hard to gloat their way past this one.
"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers
such bummer .... darn ;-)
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Great Job
Great job to all those who made the team. Good luck to those who didn’t. I really like seeing Moss making this team. I Just think he can be something special. Keep it up Broncos.
For the love of the animals. 24
A.J. Feeley
A.J. Feeley was released today by the Eagles. He might be an interesting pickup. I liked him better than O’Connell.
We wont be getting a QB!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
why not?
We couldn’t promise JC we wouldn’t trade him if it improved the team… why not look at some of our options now?
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 6, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions
the Broncos got a one day exemption for roster cuts after taking away the Marshall suspension
A truth can only be expressed and enveloped in words if it is one-sided. Everything that is thought and expressed in words is one-sided, only half the truth; it all lacks totality, completeness, unity.
They have.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
boydy
Do you have the link? I have not seen anything about lifting his suspension nor have I seen anything about any roster move required to permit him on the active roster.
No Problem
I saw this article indicating the Broncos turned in paperwork to lift his suspension and got a 1-day exemption. That article had not been posted when I first commented.
Nice parting comments from Crowder
(from the CSG):
"I just want to thank the fans, and organization," Crowder said. "I learned a lot these two years about not only me but also the business side of things. Everything will not go the way you want it all the time, so you have to accept it, and turn the page to another chapter. Hopefully, I will get the opportunity somewhere else and show them that I can play this game at a very high level."
Pretty classy. Wish him the best.
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