Richard Quinn Arrested
by John Bena on Sep 7, 2009 5:46 PM MDT
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This is not the way to start your NFL career. Broncos rookie TE Richard Quinn was arrested earlier today on a harassment charge, according to 9News in Denver.
According to the report -
Richard Quinn is being held without bond on a harassment charge related to domestic violence until he can see the judge on Tuesday.
The Broncos traded into the second round for Quinn during the 2009 draft. He is a tight end out of North Carolina.
He is listed third on the depth chart behind Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler.
Here is more from Lindsay Jones and the DP's Broncos Blog -
According to an Arapahoe County Sheriff’s report, Quinn’s girlfriend called 911 from a neighbor’s house after the couple got into an argument. She told deputies that Quinn “grabbed her and shook her to the ground” and took her cell phone away to prevent her from calling police.
According to the report, Quinn admitted to taking the phone, but said he only grabbed the girlfriend after she “started hitting him in the face.”
The report says that Quinn had no sign of injuries to his face.
Of course, we are going to withhold any judgment until all the details come to light, but it sounds eerily similar to another Broncos' tale of self defense.
This is NOT they type of news the Broncos need heading into their season opener on Sunday.
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hmmmm
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Sep 7, 2009 5:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm indeed
I have had an abusive-when-drunk gf in the past. While she rarely did any damage to me, I did have to restrain her now and then for her own good and wait for her to calm down. Woulda definitely sucked if she called the cops on me because I wouldn’t allow her to keep hitting me. Who are the cops gonna believe?
by SinDonor on Sep 7, 2009 11:43 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh........
I wish these players would find something harmless to do with their time and energy. Oh well it’s their chance at making millions if they want to screw it up it’s their call.
by Swank1975 on Sep 7, 2009 5:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Do these kids not keep up with the news? Do they just think it won’t happen to them? Do they still not grasp the importance of conduct in the NFL? Sure, we don’t have details yet but needless to say this is the last thing we need right now.
At least by year two McD will have seen just about everything. Are you sure you still want this job, kid? LOL
by TheMastermind on Sep 7, 2009 5:52 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for keeping us up to date....
This probably means more in the way of bad media than actual ill effects on the team. Nevertheless, I am so tired of seeing negative headlines involving the Broncos. I suggest adding a countdown so we can monitor how many days it has been since a legit positive headline about the Broncos.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Sep 7, 2009 5:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I third that!
too bad we didn’t keep Jeb around.
by gcman on Sep 7, 2009 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hasn't this freakin moron been reading the Marshall catastrophe?
So much for drafting high for character!!!!!!
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
by Hogblog on Sep 7, 2009 5:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope McD has some choice words for Quinn.
If he places the premium on character as his reputation suggests, I’m sure this will not make him happy in the least, and I’ll bet Quinn hears about it. The question is, will it do any good? I’m waiting to see what McDaniels does.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Sep 7, 2009 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And of course...
…let’s wait to hear what happened, and give Quinn an opportunity to explain.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes lets see what comes out
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 7, 2009 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words...
Give him the benefit no one gives Marshall anymore. Good idea!!!
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and then used against you.
by improv88 on Sep 7, 2009 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one give Marshall ANYMORE.
To my knowledge, Quinn hasn’t had any other problems, so why not give him the benefit of the doubt?
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Sep 7, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see this to a degree, but
the fact that he was arrested means he was not checking his six. Many people manage to avoid getting arrested. If you don’t socialize with questionable individuals, and you don’t hang out in unsavory places, you won’t get arrested. Period. Sure, the facts need to be sorted out. But a guy with his nose clean wouldn’t have even BEEN in this situation.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Sep 8, 2009 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the AFC west is trying to outdo each other,
Well they traded away a Pro-Bowl QB so i think i’m gonna punch my offensive coordinator, well at least the coordinator still has his job I’m going to go ahead and fire mine right before the season. Well what can I do here… I know I’m gonna choke Tila Tequila in front of some people. “Quinn get your butt out there, don’t let Merriman outdo you!”
by GreasyQtip on Sep 7, 2009 5:57 PM MDT reply actions 4 recs
Roffle, no kidding. What could a major cable network title an AFC West drama series?
“As the Worst Division in Football Turns”
“Guiding Fights”
“Days of our Lives with Idiots”
“The Arrested and the Suspended”
by aLuffabo on Sep 8, 2009 12:57 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not possible.....
unless Quinn is dating Paris Hilton.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Sep 7, 2009 5:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Merriman....I take it back
there are more idiots than just you.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Sep 7, 2009 6:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, held without bond.
That is extra not good. Esp. as Merriman was back on the street in 3 hours.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 7, 2009 6:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
National holiday, no judge to set bail or bond, normal in a lot of circumstances…Incredibly ‘bad timing’ by Quinn for sure!
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by John Bena on Sep 7, 2009 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
just ‘cause I’m at work all the time doesn’t mean everybody else is…. :[
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 7, 2009 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad timing and bad decision it looks like
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 7, 2009 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhhh A friend of mine knows from experience
that what probably happened is Merriman got arrested when a judge was on duty, since it is a holiday Quinn would have to wait until a Judge is on duty in order to give him a price. Anyway that was in my friends experience.
by GreasyQtip on Sep 7, 2009 6:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your friend knows Tila Tequila too??
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Sep 7, 2009 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a 'Dick'!!!
Thank you folks….I’ll be here all week.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Sep 7, 2009 6:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
groan...; )
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Sep 7, 2009 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats hiLARious!!!
No inspirational quote here, just this...GO BRONCOS!!!
by Zogernaut on Sep 7, 2009 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I did not see this coming. Hopefully this is the last off-field incident involving any Bronco this season
by theflanman86 on Sep 7, 2009 6:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Broncos should start drafting Jesuits.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 6:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point - Everyone is afraid of them...lol
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 7, 2009 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ad maiorem Dei gloriam
time to send Rich to JUG at Regis, domestic violence has to count for a full demerit card.
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Sep 7, 2009 11:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can just sign all of Larsen’s Mormon friends and family? Judging by him, I bet Grandma can lay a hit on somebody.
by aLuffabo on Sep 8, 2009 12:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps not the best week to install a 3 TE set
good thing it´s CIN
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Sep 7, 2009 6:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This is weird
Richard’s a good guy, isn’t he?
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno=ROY
by stedtfeld on Sep 7, 2009 6:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
All evidence now to the contrary
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and then used against you.
by improv88 on Sep 7, 2009 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where's the evidence?
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Sep 7, 2009 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
all evidence??
NAzi
man restrains crazy bitch til she stops hitting him (without hurting her) then lets her go call 911 and put him in jail
Sounds like a real bad guy
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post has been updated with further info...
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by John Bena on Sep 7, 2009 6:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder how long she's been his girlfriend.
And I also wonder if there were any signs of bruising on her from where he allegedly grabbed and shook.
There is no excuse for laying hands on a woman, that’s a given. Having said that, these automatic arrests for domestic calls give (mostly) women way too much leverage.
Were I a pro athlete, I’d either get married or find myself a private, upscale escort service.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do u need to be an ahlete to hire an esort?
HILLIS
by robbo650 on Sep 7, 2009 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause then you'll have enough money to afford a good one?
IDK?
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Sep 7, 2009 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
TD didn't get very good press for following that path
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Sep 7, 2009 11:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And who says Brandon isn't a role model on this team
what a leader
by GreasyQtip on Sep 7, 2009 6:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
good point
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 7, 2009 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things
If the facts are as alleged, cold shower of staying in a cell might just shock him into sense.
On the other hand, police have no discretion in domestic violence cases – mandatory arrest. Sometimes this gives women a strong weapon against men.
by si_ice on Sep 7, 2009 6:23 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Quinn have any sort of track record with off-field incidents?
by Timimus on Sep 7, 2009 6:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
not that I know of
he was considered to be a top character guy so this is surprising…
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Sep 7, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprising?
He was arrested on telephone obstruction. I had no idea one had a right to their cell phone.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but...
Yes but can he catch the football??
Oh, sorry… I mean I hope his girlfriend’s okay. Time to get a new girlfriend too.
by McgarnagleDB on Sep 7, 2009 6:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Promote Marquez Branson!
Why not cut Quinn and sign him to the Practice Squad? Would it be too likely he wouldn’t clear waivers?
by Velveeta on Sep 7, 2009 6:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
typical cheese.
cut the guy we traded up to get? over …well we don’t even know do we?
All the saint-hype of the McD picks… BS they’re football players not angels OR criminals ok? They’re young. They drink and carouse about a bit! They tend to like the crazy dame now and again…
I live in the Seattle area. I get quite enough of the vaginized status quo, mocha-PC BS thank you!
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
“vaginized?” That’s a new one!!! =-)(
by Endzone on Sep 7, 2009 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
wish i could claim it
It’s a common local term for the model Seattle-ites we’re plagued by up here…
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
New to Seatown
I have noticed what you’re talking about. Lots of guys around here that just seem to act a little soft.
It still beats Orlando and its high quota of overly-macho, Jerry Springer-approved, “Idiocratic” citizens.
by SinDonor on Sep 7, 2009 11:58 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
lol maybe but these are pretty bad.
I’m up on Whidbey are you in the city?
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 8, 2009 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here in Redmond
With all the $ofties
by SinDonor on Sep 8, 2009 12:09 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
welcome
caught the pre-season game at quest, great place to see a game. Sat right in the Hawks nest. Good place to live too. …even with the above issues.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 8, 2009 12:17 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the plus side, there was no allegation of striking
… That may not seem like a big deal to some, but to me it says something.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 6:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
well
the one McD move ive hated more than any now just sucks. I never though selecting Quinn was a good pick, second round pick is way to high value for a blocking TE when we already have the best and a very good recieving TE. We could have gotten a good d lineman…but we’ll see, good look richard.
Dawkins/Hillis Bad @ss' for life
by BDAWKisaBRONC on Sep 7, 2009 6:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe he was just getting the cell phone off her to call information to get the number for 911
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 7, 2009 6:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
There are some fights you will never win.
I hope Coach nips this one in the bud. No excuse.
How hard is to call anyone on the team hey dude I’m thinking about hitting my girlfriend can I come to your house and cool off. Seriously.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Sep 7, 2009 6:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
GREAT advice
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 7, 2009 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that even a thought?
“Dude I’m thinking of hitting my gf” why do these guys even think like that in the first place. Why don’t these dudes just exercise the slightest bit of restraint and not do anything to their gf’s. If she’s a psyco or going apeshit, then just bounce. How hard is that?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Order of possibilities
Here’s the order I would take if I Was Quinn.
One, dump the girlfriend. If she’s telling the truth and you’re guilty, you don’t need her getting you mad again and calling for help. And you know she will.
Two, if she’s telling the truth, seek help yourself or you will have a real short NFL career.
Three, if she’s not telling the truth and all you did was get your phone back, you definitely need a new girl friend. And oh BTW buy them their own phone and don’t take it away from them.
Four, if she’s not telling the truth, dump her anyway because she has the advantage and she’s going to get your money sooner or later.
I agree with Endzone, let’s not rush to judgement. Maybe I’m cynical but in today’s world there seem to be a lot of “out for myself people” and this could possibly be such a case. I think, if it is, you will hear her pleading her case in the public television interviews, newpapers interviews, etc. etc. If she’s not out for the money, you won’t see or hear all the public interviews, she’ll simply work on getting him out of her life. Innocent until proven guilty for the both of them is my stance.
by DBCLASS on Sep 7, 2009 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
DB
It’s clear from this article that he at least grabbed her, it looks like he said as much.
Your stance is a good legal stance, but not a stance that should be your moral one.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Sep 7, 2009 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't making a moral one
Perhaps that’s the problem. Too many people are. That said, just walk away isn’t going to work now-a-days. She can still call the police and say, he shoved me to the floor and took off. My only point is, there are too many possibilities here and we don’t know the whole story. As for a moral one.
Mine is never hit a woman. That’s always been my stance even though I did once. When I was 16 my sister came up behind me and hit me side the head when I was looking another direction. On instinct I turned with an open fist ready to smack whoever hit me when I saw it was her and opened my hand just before connecting. I slapped her. It was too late too stop. I am now 61 and have never hit another woman but if someone came up behind me and hit me side the head I might. But my moral stance wouldn’t like it.
by DBCLASS on Sep 7, 2009 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all BS.
Women need to toughen up.
I’m a lot bigger andf stronger than my wife, but if we ever got into a physical fight (which we won’t) she’d win. You know why? Men have a lot more areas on there body that when hit/kicked/etc will stop them dead in there tracks.
And this is all meanat as a funny (except the lat part, getting hit/kickec/etc in certain places is never funny)
But in all seriousness, my bigest issue with domestic violence is the same with custody. If your male, your up the creek without a paddle in 99% of the cases.
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Sep 7, 2009 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, at least give him a chance to tell his side.
Does anyone know if he has a track record?
by Timimus on Sep 7, 2009 6:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't believe so.
"Misunderstatements."
by Tempestuous Binary on Sep 7, 2009 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
EZ
I agree with you 100% of the time…
…except right now…..don’t even grab her. Just leave…immediately.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Sep 7, 2009 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point Is
We don’t know if he grabbed her. We don’t know much right now. Therefore, no judging right now. But I am with you. NEVER EVER resort to physical violence. Just leave!
I had a client once whose girlfriend physically restrained him from leaving the house. Like I told him, call the police and get witnesses. PS, she was about 40lbs bigger and 4" taller than him. Who says men can’t be battered?
by Endzone on Sep 7, 2009 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has admitted to grabbing her, but it sounds like that was to stop her hitting him, and as JeffG posted below, Quinn apparently has scratch marks on his back.
by Timimus on Sep 7, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That must have been some woman
…perhaps he did not grab her, but it looks like he admitted to doing it.
Well the facts will come out, anyway. I was trying to make the point, just get the hell out is all….I always abide with EZ!
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Sep 7, 2009 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Lebowski Quote
“It’s like what Lenin said… you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh…”
It is usually beneficial to get out.
BTW, news reports are usually not completely accurate? Gee whiz! Can we relate to that?
by Endzone on Sep 7, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am the Walrus
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Sep 7, 2009 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic! Traded up for this. What a waste.
by dr.mort on Sep 7, 2009 6:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was just trying to keep her from drinking and driving.....
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Sep 7, 2009 6:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No...
I think she just slipped on a McDonald’s bag.
BADA BOOM
Thanks everyone, you don’t have to go home but you can’t stay here.
by TheMastermind on Sep 7, 2009 6:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
I’m not laughing at the McDonalds bag…I’m laughing at the rest. Pulling the old Costanza and leaving on a high note.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reserving judgement until I know more.
"Misunderstatements."
by Tempestuous Binary on Sep 7, 2009 6:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
+1…
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
by BroncosNL on Sep 7, 2009 11:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to judge.
But you CAN comment.
by TheMastermind on Sep 8, 2009 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Friends, We all Love the Broncos....but
Let me say, “shaking the baby” is wrong…always.
Reserving judgement….the dude can’t abide on that.
Remember when you dad told you to never hit a woman….
DON’T HIT WOMEN…ever, don’t shake her, don’t touch her…just get the hell out of dodge, I don’t care what the hell she does to you.
Smokey, my friend, you are entering a world of pain.
by TJ Johnson on Sep 7, 2009 6:59 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Yep, that's the way it needs to be...
Regardless of who’s “right”:, that’s the only appropriate action. (And though it really doesn’t matter: what’s he weigh? 250-260? I don’t think ‘she was hitting me’ would be a real mitigating factor.)
by MakeCents on Sep 7, 2009 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree, just walk away,
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Sep 7, 2009 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
When I was married my wife and I had a good one once, and she started pounding on me. I grabbed her wrists and restrained her. I wasn’t about to hit her back, but I wasn’t going to just stand there and let her beat the hell out of me. And we lived at 9200 feet. Where the hell was I going to go?
She calmed down, I calmed down, the problem was resolved. In fact we made up and…well, never mind.
Point is if you’re mature you can overcome. I am not sure many of these players and their baby mommas quite fit into that category. We’ll see what comes out of this over the next few days.
by TheMastermind on Sep 8, 2009 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Lot of saints in this thread. Sorry, but of a woman is hitting you and you grab her arms to stop her, calling that domestic violence is a perversion of the term and renders it all but meaningless.
Too easy to game that system. Again, this kid has no history of violence, and even in this case, he didn’t strike his girlfriend.
This kind of mandatory arrest law is silly, because it turns what should be minor disputes into major issues.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 7:14 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
My science teacher once told me that if a woman hits you, you hit back.
I never really followed that advice, but always found it interesting that a feminist-type woman would tell me that.
"Misunderstatements."
by Tempestuous Binary on Sep 7, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Can’t rec cause I am on my iPod, but yeah. Equal rights my ass. If a 5’4" 120lbs wimpy guys starts throwing punches at me, I can wipe the floor with him and no charges filed since he attacked first. But if my 5’10" 140lbs kickboxing-trained gf tries to whoop my rump and all I do is restrain her till she poops out; is it fair I go to jail for that?
by SinDonor on Sep 8, 2009 12:05 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
Actually she’d tap out first since I’d be sweating all over her and prolly let a fart or two slip out during the struggle.
Kinda like my sex life.
by SinDonor on Sep 8, 2009 12:12 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahahaha....
that’s freaking funny.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attorney says Quinn did nothing wrong
Denver-based attorney and NFL agent Peter Schaffer said his client, Broncos tight end Richard Quinn, will be held in jail overnight even though the rookie did all he could to diffuse a hostile situation involving the mother of Quinn’s 1-year-old daughter.
""This was an unfortunate personal situation," Schaffer said. ""However I’m very proud the way Richard handled this delicate situation by diffusing what otherwise could have been a potentially dangerous situation.
""When all the facts come out, people will find out Richard’s done nothing wrong. Richard’s No. 1 concern right now is the welfare of his daughter and to avoid any negative light brought to the Denver Broncos, Richard and his family."
Quinn was arrested Monday and is currently held without bond in the Arapahoe County jail on a harassment charge of obstruction of phone services/domestic violence. He will be held overnight and will appear before a judge at 8:30 a.m. Tuesday.
Arapahoe County deputies responded to a "verbal disturbance that had been physical" between Tiffany Merritt and Quinn, who Merritt described as her live-in boyfriend.
According to an Arapahoe County Sheriff’s report, Quinn’s girlfriend called 911 from a neighbor’s house after the couple got into an argument. She told deputies that Quinn "grabbed her and shook her to the ground" and took her cell phone away to prevent her from calling police.
According to the report, Quinn admitted to taking the phone, but said he only grabbed the girlfriend after she "started hitting him in the face."
The report says that Quinn had no sign of injuries to his face. Schaffer said there are multiple scratches on Quinn’s back.
"Richard did everything he was taught to do (through various NFL rookie programs that deal with potential off-field siutuations) to diffuse an otherwise irrational person and he’s the person sitting in jail," Schaffer said.
The Broncos were off Monday but resume practice Tuesday in preparation for the season opener at Cincinnati Sept. 13.
Quinn was a second-round pick in April out of North Carolina. He played in all of the Broncos’ preseason games and is listed third on the depth chart behind Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler.
From Klis, here.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 7:18 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No Bond
The fact that he is being held without bond should have no importance. The courts and judges are not available on Labor Day.
by Endzone on Sep 7, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
correct
No bond hearings on the holiday. His bond will be set once the court convenes for a bond hearing in the morning (I’m not a lawyer).
Quinn’s arrest was dictated by Colorado’s Domestic Violence statute, which takes discretionary ability away from the police. Someone is always arrested (a statutory requirement) when a certain threshold of violent behavior is reached. The belief behind the statute is that it’s better to diffuse the situation than to let events escalate into more serious violence, and this is why an arrest is dictated.
It’s appears that the alleged victim, his girlfriend, filed charges, which is another reason the police handled it in this way. Making a complaint of domestic violence dictates how the police handle the situation, even when there is limited evidence of physical injury.
There doesn’t appear to be much for the D.A.‘s office to make a case out of. I make no assumptions as to guilt on either of the parties but the witness accounts to the police don’t indicate that there’s much here that could qualify as criminal behavior, and the girlfriend’s behavior (particularly the alleged striking on Quinn in the face) appears to be the more serious possible infraction. It’s not necessarily because the alleged events don’t qualify under a Colorado statutes’ interpretation of criminality but because there may be infractions by both parties, and being the victim of a crime can allow a party to make a positive defense (self-defense), which is a valid legal defense against the criminal charge. There is a burden of proof on the party using this type of defense.
Unfortunately, men are disproportionately the person arrested in domestic violence situations. Men are more likely to use physical force to resolve disputes and the police’s handling of these cases generally sides with the woman, both because the man is more likely to have used force and because the man is considered — rightly or wrongly — as a greater potential threat.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 7, 2009 8:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
In Klis' updated version
…he says being kept overnight in jail is Colorado state law.
This seems crazy to me, if true.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sounds right
A sort of cooling off period, then a no contact stipulation is usually a condition of bond (they can get their stuff if they call and have the police present) — I believe. I think the legislature wanted to get the discretion out of police hands after poorly handled incidents turned tragic.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 7, 2009 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXCERPT
Yes, the domestic violence statute appears harsh. It’s has a laudable goal and the thinking behind it is good — even though it’s often unfair to whoever is jailed.
Per Colorado state law in domestic cases, Quinn was held overnight without bond and will appear before a judge at 8:30 a.m. Tuesday.
Normally, getting arrested on a weekend, especially a holiday weekend, would mean that it takes longer before you get a bond hearing.
BTW — harassment is a charge I’m familiar with but “obstruction of telephone service harrassment?” I don’t want to make light of the situation but that’s not exactly a capital crime. It could be a low level misdemeanor (I think there are 3 levels of misdemeanors). The point is they didn’t hit him with much, and that’s a sign of how the police are looking at the case. The D.A.‘s could still file other charges but they usually plea bargain for lesser crimes and there isn’t anywhere to go with this one.
There’s no good legal reason for Quinn not to fight this, IMO. And his lawyer is treating it as if he’s the victim (and I realize that lawyers are not a good source of infomation). Reading between the lines on his lawyer’s comments (and he has a good one), this case isn’t going anywhere.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 7, 2009 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obstruction of Telephone Service
Colorado Revised Statutes 18-9-306.5. Quinn is guilty if he knowingly obstructed or delayed the woman from making a phone call. It’s a class 1 misdemeanor (the most serious of three classes) punishable by 6 – 18 months in jail and a fine of from $500 to $5,000, or both jail and fine.
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
by bradley on Sep 8, 2009 6:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that makes sense
I knew that simple harassment was a class 1, so that makes sense. The fines and possible jail time sound more ominous than what’s probably generally meted out, I would gather, and that’s assuming there are some prosecutions. I’m having a hard time believing this is a serious statute, despite it’s class 1 status. It sounds like something a D.A. uses whenever he or she is seeking reelection. The only situation that I can see for this statute is the political phone jamming case in New England. The intent behind the act would seem to be a relevant issue since the motive for the act can vary. Attempting to calm an irrational person down is a reasonable act; taking a crime victim’s phone away to prevent them from calling the police is not.
The problem of the “legal fiction” comes to mind. Quinn may have been behaving in what he considered a lawful and prudent manner and only took actions that he considered necessary given the unusual circumstances, and perhaps to prevent a greater harm.
To my knowledge, ordinary harassment was difficult to defend against because — in effect — it required the accused disprove the alleged victim’s state of mind. It had essentially shifted the burden of proof onto the defendant, and provided no mechanism for disproving charges against him or herself.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 8, 2009 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
….Harrassment (18-9-111) is a class 3 misdemeanor (unless it’s a race crime, in which case it is a class 1). A class 3 misdemeanor is punishable by a $50 fine, or up to 6 months in jail plus a $750 fine. But you’re right – only in rare cases are sentences like these maximums handed out.
And actually, the victim’s state of mind is not relevant. The only mental state that the prosecution needs to prove is that the defendant intended to annoy, harrass or alarm the victim by striking, shoving, kicking etc. So a defendant can be guilty of Harrassment even if the victim suffers no bodily injury.
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
by bradley on Sep 8, 2009 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
just doing a review of my past posts
I don’t know if you’ll see this but…….
To clarify: “feeling threatened” is the mental state I was referring to so I have to disagree somewhat. From what I understand, the statute reads — essentially — that causing someone to be fearful is harassment, so the victim’s state of mind is an issue. The primary issue is still what the alleged perpetrator intended, since intimidation would and should qualify but mere carelessness wouldn’t.
My understanding, which is obviously not ‘lawyerly,’ is that a (supposed) victim could merely say that he or she felt intimidated and it’s difficult to refute since it’s largely a mental state. What I perceived about the use of the statute ( in Boulder by the former D.A.) was that it was a catch-all statute that could be used to prosecute anyone involved in a fight. Brawling had been the charge of choice previously, and it stated that you were guilty if you weren’t attempting to flee.
The problem with these statutes is that there are instances where they are appropriate but the D.A.‘s office often used them somewhat indiscriminately because they were easy to prosecute (or rather to offer as a plea bargain), and this was because it set a high standard of behavior (fleeing often isn’t possible unless you believe you can escape, nor would many choose this option under many circumstances) and because the standard of proof is so low (no jury would disbelieve a victim who said he or she felt intimidated).
These type of statutes provide a tool for cutting through the intricacies of ‘he said/she said’ altercations but they result in a quasi-arbitrariness when D.A.s use them a convenient plea bargaining tool to ‘scoop up’ these type of cases. Since — frequently — both participants agree that there was an argument, but neither agrees on who’s to blame, the D.A.‘s office doesn’t need to prove fault and can use statutory language that only requires proof that the perpetrator was in the fight. The problem is a "hide behind the skirt’ phenomenon where people can provoke fights and use the authorities to ‘fight their fights.’ Traditional victims (women, etc.) can manipulate the system to their advantage, and this unquestionably happens. It also results in a ‘race to complain’ phenomenon, since whoever calls the police first gains victim status because of the quasi-arbitrary decision-making process used by the D.A.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 11, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this sounds harsh but...
if he is found guilty… I say cut him. Enough with this crap. I don’t care if he was a first rounder. Call up Jeb.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Sep 7, 2009 7:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
Guilty of grabbing?
Yeah. Hang him.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
is that one of the options on the Jump to Conclusions Mat?
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Sep 7, 2009 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 (to your sig too ! Atwater vs the nightmare right?)
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My grandpa replaying that clip over and over is one of my first Bronco memories
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Sep 8, 2009 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Used to have the poster
right beside KJ dunking over the dream & Cheryl Ladd!
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 8, 2009 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did Cheryl play?
Power forward?
"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway
by jibbons on Sep 8, 2009 12:29 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I go away for 4 hours and you guys can't help yourselves.
What in the world is going on? Where’s Putzier? I need a Jack and coke. Listen…one thing you don’t do in like is mess with the PHONE!!! They will hang you from the go-nads for that, hopefully he has witnesses to the assault from the girlfriend because you are still intitled to defend yourself in America. But PHONES…leave them alone!
by bfree2bronc on Sep 7, 2009 7:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
rotfl b2b
I raced to this site cuz I just had to see to the sheep mob’s reaction. Hilarious. Thank God all Broncos fans aren’t represented here!
Guilty!
Cut him!
Woman beater! While I’d….!!
Sheesh!
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry Thank God all of you here aren't like this...
I didn’t mean to imply such a thing… (before I offend the wrong fan)
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 8:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My son had a simular incident with his girl friend.
He was trying to leave, she was beating him on the back and he took the PHONE. Guess who went to jail. That’s right, my son. She didn’t have a mark on her anywhere, he had abrasions on his neck and back, but he took the PHONE away…he went to jail, she didn’t…hmmm. Tampering with a life saving device (PHONE) will get you throwed in jail, bottom line. So, my advoce to anybody is, don’t mess with the PHONE.
by bfree2bronc on Sep 7, 2009 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just one thing: THIS SUCKS.
Week 1: @ Bengals
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Sep 7, 2009 8:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
atleast we have some depth at TE
but for some strange reason i wanna watch inside the NFL on showtime….
"Have you ever heard of the emancipation proclamation?"
- "I don't listen to hip-hop"
"Born like this / Into this"
by BroncoJoe311 on Sep 7, 2009 8:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hangin on pins and needles
For the wisdom of Jamie Dukes. NOT
by Endzone on Sep 7, 2009 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked it when it was on HBO
The guys were better then the ones in the picture at the top of the post.
Week 1: @ Bengals
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Sep 7, 2009 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I don’t see him as a terrible player, I read somewhere that he really is a pretty good receiver, (even though his blocking skills are questionable) but Damn! what a poor pick! A second rounder for a third string TE that would surely have been available later. !#$%!!
Note that I really like our other two TEs
Way to go McD.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 8:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Questionable blocking?
Funny, I remember most analyst questioning his receiving abilities but declaring him the best blocking TE in the draft. He was used mostly as a blocking TE in college despite having decent (if not good) receiving abilities, because his team had 3 WRs who were drafted this year. I don’t remember anyone questioning his blocking.
by Timimus on Sep 7, 2009 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, Timimus
I don’t know what WB has heard, but two facts stand out. Quinn is the best or one of the best blocking TEs in the draft, and today the TSN daily noted that several teams are now looking frantically for a blocking TE.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 7, 2009 9:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized this comment was from Broncobear...!!
seriously? quoting analysts and the “facts stand out” comment? unlike you bear. You might try “predicted to be” or something along those lines…
I’m more inclined to call the camp results closer to the fact than anything else at this point. Even so, he’s a rookie. I like him so far.
…Certainly not worth a 2nd rounder for a third string TE behind two pretty damn good ones!! Nice pick McD!
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
The facts do show that yes, he was a superior blocker in college. Not sure what you’re seeing or hearing. I’ve heard and seen that he’s a pretty good blocker at this point and has “surprisingly” good hands. But, as a rook, needs work.
Don’t think they ever thought he’d be a starter this year, so even though you may have had certain expectations, it doesn’t appear that the coaching staff shares them.
by AllBroncsallday on Sep 7, 2009 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, he's a rookie
I expect his blocking will be very good in time and I like that his hands are surprisingly good. Don’t like his value at that pick… That’s all.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't make the pick
The guy planning to use him did. Which is why where you’d pick him is irrelevant.
And he was the last pick of the second round. We got that pick and a 4 for two 3s. So stop making it sound like we could have grabbed Maualuga or some such instead of Quinn.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
quiet, I wasn't implying anything of the sort
Am I not allowed to have an opinion?
That opinion is that “the guy planning to use him”
Picked a good TE (that we didn’t need) too early.
OK?
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you know we didn't need him?
by prototype on Sep 7, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have two very good TE's already
where would you draft a third stringer when our team has so many glaring needs?
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 10:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can understand what you're saying....
but how do we know who they valued on their draft board that was still available at that point in the draft……we don’t.
by prototype on Sep 7, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, therein lies the rub...
“who they valued”
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a fan
we need to understand that the coaches are paid millions to coach, the players are paid millions to play. They coach because they are better and more knowledgeable at it than us. They play because they are more physically capable to play than us.
The fans aren’t paid jack to be fans…..that’s the real rub.
by prototype on Sep 7, 2009 11:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
coaches are fired every day
Hopefully McD learns quick and isn’t fired as one of the hundreds of coaches who’ve collected the big money to coach but proved only to be as knowledgeable as you!
…or me.
rub that.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 11:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's with the personal barbs brah?
by prototype on Sep 7, 2009 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
good work! never concede a point
never mind that you already said my opinion was irrelevant!
nite proto
Go Broncos!!
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 11:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
just went back and checked what i wrote. sorry i don’t see where I said your opinion is irrelevant.
by prototype on Sep 7, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Which is why where you’d pick him is irrelevant."
?? Obviously as I couldn’t actually pick him, it’d be my opinion of where I’d pick him, right?
??
it’s ok I’m tired too
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
For one thing...
We have two very good TE’s already where would you draft
…Scheffler is a free agent at the end of this year.
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
by bradley on Sep 8, 2009 6:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I'm reporting what I've seen
It’s true that Quinn’s scouting reports unanimously listed him as an excellent blocker. It’s also true that there were many more such reports in camp, but it was his play in games that creates my statement. Your feelings on the draft are fine – opinions vary and I’m not interested in rehashing the arguments other than to point out that trading two third round picks for the final second round pick and and the final fourth (which we were still able to use to pick up our backup guard, Seth Olsen) has misled some folks. It’s still worth considering that several teams are now scraping for a blocking TE right now, and the Broncos now have a good one in Quinn. Scarcity drives the market
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 8, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
judging from several folks who watched him in camp and have commented...
Surprisingly poor blocking equally surprisingly good receiving.
Shame on you quoting the analysts!!
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected then...
I honestly don’t remember hearing much about Quinn through training camp and not much about poor blocking, off the top of my head I could recall numerous scouting reports praising his blocking, so just going by what I personally could remember.
by Timimus on Sep 7, 2009 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you have a source?
It’s the first time I’ve heard that. In fact, I do recall laudatory comments on his blocking.
After the fact revelations of this sort have a defamatory appearance. Can you back up your comment?
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 7, 2009 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
crap I lost my comment...
Anyway, I most recently heard this from Kyle @BT (a valued source) but I’ve heard similar from others lucky enough to see them in practice… I wasn’t able to see enough myself to judge… regardless, as I said, he’s a rookie with rookie adjustments to make. Hopefully it says much that not only was he drafted high but he made the team…
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they say his blocking was poor overall, or that he wasn't as good as Graham?
Personally, I would expect him to struggle against a guy like Dumervil, but is his blocking poor for an experienced TE or for a rookie TE?
by Timimus on Sep 7, 2009 11:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
for a rookie I'm sure...
worse than Graham ?? as I recall they thought it was pretty damn bad but who knows? This has gone pretty far down the thread for a comment that questioned his draft position more so than the offhand ? of his skill. …
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 8, 2009 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the value of the opinion
The fact that someone said it is unremarkable, although they appear to be in a small minority. A better question is: did their opinion have much value? You say it did but it’s hard to confirm that without a source. I distinctly recall live game analysis (Denver’s announcers) that lauded his blocking ability. I also recall the reading about him being beaten by Dumervil (which Timimus references above). Being beaten hardly makes someone a bad blocker. Clady is beaten at times, but it isn’t very often.
Convenient recollections that serve to exacerbate an issue (piling on, so to speak) are often a “motivated cognition.” Memory is a reconstructive process that attempts to account for recent events. I don’t necessarily disbelieve that the “poor blocker” comment was made by someone but I wonder whether they’re well informed. And it’s hard not to suspect that this opinion is merely an attempt to justify bias against Quinn. There was unanimity on his blocking ability in the scouting reports, and the team also brought him in and observed him. The fact that someone held a different view doesn’t mean much.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 8, 2009 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chill Widbey
He made the team. Time will tell off and on the field. I’d hate to be judged using your criteria.
by Endzone on Sep 7, 2009 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
okok
just a comment, not a final judgment.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Line I heard was
From ProFootballTAlk
PatricktheDookie says:
September 7, 2009 9:24 PM
He was drafted to be a blocking tight end, and he couldn’t even block his own face?
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Sep 7, 2009 8:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't persume guilt or innoance, but why did he take her phone and put his hands on her
There are some simple things he could do, walk out of the house and leave, go into another room away from her and lock the door, but I don’t understand how taking a cell phone and restraining an adult solves anything. She wants to hit you so be it, you are 6’ 6" 260 lbs, you play in the NFL, how much damage could she really do.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Sep 7, 2009 9:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
First we had internet tough guys. Now we have internet Knights Errant.
Getting hit in the face hurts. Getting scratched hurts. If you grab somebody’s arms to keep that person from striking you, it isn’t you who should be arrested.
And I don’t care how big he is. He has the same rights as she does, whether he’s a football player or a concert violinist.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
internet Knights Errant
IKEs
funny, I like it. well said.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're called Internet White Knights.
Gosh.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Sep 7, 2009 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
IWK doesn't roll off the tongue like IKE...
I think we need a ruling here
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about your silly abbreviations
It’s an Internet White Knight. That’s just what they’re called.
GILLY GOSH, GAISE.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Sep 8, 2009 1:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
reframe that, JeffG
Certain applications of force are appropriate. One issue is commensurate use of force. Another issue is whether he was fearful for the welfare of his daughter. Another issue is whether he could avoid the conflict, perhaps by running away. He may not have been able to abandon his daughter so this may not have been reasonably possible. It should be noted that children are sometimes victimized by a spouse as a way of getting back at their partner, so his daughter’s welfare is an important legal issue.
He does have as much right as this girlfriend not to be hit, and he has the right to use commensurate force to stop an attack if it’s the only reasonable way to end that attack. You do have a right to self defense, but the burden of proof is on the defense (on Quinn) to prove that this was the case. You even have a right to come to someone’s aid and use severe measures if you believe that a person is in great danger.
Again, I am not a lawyer. I do have some familiarity with the legal issues though.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 7, 2009 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It hurts, big F-ing deal
Put your hands up to block, I am guessing he could out run her (if he can’t he shouldn’t be on the team), the point is grabbing someone, especicially a women is a no-no, he should understand that, and when you rip her phone, you obviously give the look of guilt becuase you did not want her calling the police.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Sep 8, 2009 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Police use reasonable force all the time
The legal issue is similar for Quinn.
Your comments about gender indicate that you consider women to have rights that men don’t have. I don’t agree. Shouldn’t people be considered equal under the law?
Quinn, according to his testimony, was the victim of a criminal act at the time he took the phone, so it’s quite likely he wasn’t clear headed at that point — which is understandable. It’s hard enough to train police to react coolly under the stress of this kind of situation, and use of excessive force by them is common. The reported information doesn’t appear to show that Quinn acted rashly. Compare this situation to Marshall’s case. Marshall struck Watley but wasn’t guilty because she attacked him. Marshall’s use of force was excessive whereas Quinn’s appears proportional.
I notice that no one here seems to think it’s wrong for Quinn’s girlfriend to attack him. I think that says something about many of your attitudes.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 8, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool.
glad we did our homework on this guy before we traded up for him. at worst, he’s an abuser. at best, he can’t pick the right people to be close to him. i mean, what can you do but just sigh anymore.
the worst offseason in history got worse! :(
by thedoctor on Sep 7, 2009 9:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
HOW DARE McDANIELS NOT FORESEE
“Telephone obstruction” charges in Quinn’s future!
Some of you people are downright scary. Quinn didn’t hit the woman. Let me say that again: he specifically, in a heated confrontation, DID NOT STRIKE this woman.
And yet some of you want him cut — or are writing him off — because his girlfriend called the police and claimed she’d been grabbed?
Funny. I bet some of the same people complaining are the same people who were calling for the Broncos to sign Vick.
by JeffG on Sep 7, 2009 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i’ve been screaming for them to sign Vick and want Quinn cut immediately. /rolleyes let’s not generalize and straw-man, shall we? I want neither of those things.
I never said this was McDaniels fault either. If what’s come out and been confirmed by both parties already is true, this is an organizational failing — McDaniels included at some level since he’s the king, but more the scouting and player development departments. The fact that he’s in this sort of situation speaks poorly of the company he’s keeping and his decision making at least. He should have a) been coached in how to select friends better and b) been taught what to do if things go south, cause this ain’t it (NEVER LAY HANDS ON ANYONE).
This isn’t like playing football or rocket science, this is really something we can all do. I never get in trouble with the law. If I have a disagreement with someone, I never let it get to 911 calls. I select my friends better than that, and I know when to walk away. I’d venture a guess that most people on here never have trouble with this either. I question how someone that can’t do this basic stuff was given millions by the organization, let alone sought out to the point of a trade-up in the draft.
by thedoctor on Sep 7, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're lucky to have such a saint posting here. /rolleyes
If what we have been reading is true, Richard could have made much much worse mistakes than attempting to restrain an attacker and taking a cell phone in an poorly thought out attempt to keep the incident from affecting his job. Just ask Shawne Merriman and Tila Tequila.
I’m sure you never had to face this type of situation either, but a lot of people wouldn’t pick their baby mama if they had a second chance, especially at his age. He might not have handled this situation perfectly, but deciding to leave the mother of your child, rather than pursuing the relationship, is not as easy of a decision as selecting his friends.
Is your logic really, ‘if the average person hasn’t done something then no individual should do so?’
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by jibbons on Sep 8, 2009 12:22 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it’s millionaire athletes should be held to a higher standard than the average person by both the fans and the organization.
look, im not writing this guy off yet. he screwed up, he’ll probably get a second chance, and I hope he makes the best of it. I’m just very upset at the breakdown at so many levels that got us here.
by thedoctor on Sep 8, 2009 8:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same old same old
Another reason for Fans to be happy. More crap from another Bronco, but this time Its a McD draftee.
So what if he was drafted too high and beats on Women, at least he can block…right?
About playing against Joe Namath "He's the best in the Business, he can do everything, but I've never seen a Quarterback yet that can throw on his back." - Dave Costa 1969
by Denver Diehard on Sep 7, 2009 9:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes, we see that the usual suspects are well represented here
Firing away with their comments about draft position. How unexpected.
by AllBroncsallday on Sep 7, 2009 10:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
As are the baseless retorts equally expected!
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think of certain movies
Twelve angry men. The Ox-bow incident. To kill a mockingbird. Admittedly, they’re old movies.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 7, 2009 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But brilliant ones.
And that’s what matters most. (Glances at copy of Modern Times.)
"Wow."
by Tempestuous Binary on Sep 8, 2009 3:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I'm saying
Is let the facts come out before roasting 1) Quinn 2) McDaniels 3) The team
Whether or not one likes the Quinn pick where it happened has little to do with the current situation, imo. If one chooses to use this situation as “confirmation” that the Quinn pick was somehow “wrong”, one reveals one’s bias, imo, since there’s no history here.
Let’s just see, is all I’m saying.
by AllBroncsallday on Sep 7, 2009 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't agree more
Let’s not ship the guy out to Leavenworth before we know what happened. Has a right to let the facts get out.
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by underdog on Sep 7, 2009 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
this type of incident is extremely common
I’ll make a prediction — this case is going down quickly.
Domestic violence statutes bring the police and courts into an area where they didn’t go nearly as often in past. Spousal abuse has a high incidence rate but it’s likely (judging from analysis) been decreased because of the mandatory police intervention now required by law. That’s good, but it brings the case to our attention and thus increases public awareness.
This case — judging by the police reports and the charges — looks very minor. It’s even possible that Quinn did nothing wrong (perhaps in a technical sense, or has a legal defense that nullifies the charges). It’s even possible that the girlfriend is at fault and will be charged.
The fact that this incident occurred does not necessarily reflect on either Quinn nor his girlfriend, but we hope that people can avoid these incidents — that’ not always possible, nor is it always realistic. The courts take domestic violence very seriously — however. The study of violence shows that it’s part of the landscape for many people, so their best strategy is to practice active avoidance.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 8, 2009 12:23 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually my sarcasm got the best of me
And yes, I believe he was drafted too high, hands down. I did not mean I didnt like the player, I just didnt like him at that pick. As far as the McD comment, well, we will have plenty more off field issues from Pro Atheletes no matter who drafts them.
I like great players on my team, but have a hard time finding heros when they make the news because of the Police, rather than a game saving play on the field.
About playing against Joe Namath "He's the best in the Business, he can do everything, but I've never seen a Quarterback yet that can throw on his back." - Dave Costa 1969
by Denver Diehard on Sep 22, 2009 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I hear ya.
My comments on the actual situation are above, sorry for letting the old topic bleed in, my bad.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 7, 2009 10:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
According to the report in the NFP, "Quinn called 911 after Quinn allegedly, 'grabbed her and shook her to the ground'."
This appeared in the Wilson wire – Wilson: Quinn’s attorney says…..
In the other reports it says that the girlfriend called 911 from a neighbor’s house. Something is not right here. If he called 911 first, it puts quite a different light on this. Hopefully the truth will come out.
by Blackknigh on Sep 7, 2009 10:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
it appears to be an error on the part of NFP
The Denver Post story says she called from a neighbor’s house. I think NFP was mistaken.
"If people define situations as real, they are real in their consequences". W. I. Thomas
by Colinski on Sep 8, 2009 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe being over 60 makes me a little old-fashioned,
but doesn’t Quinn and his girlfriend have a child together? I would think that the most important thing for both of them was their kid. That should mean some anger management and counseling for both of them.
by Blackknigh on Sep 7, 2009 10:31 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
plus didn’t the report say he had scratches on his back? Doesn’t that tell a part of the story in itself?
by prototype on Sep 7, 2009 10:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ internet draft experts
by lolcopter on Sep 8, 2009 12:06 AM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
and tears for the so called experts who weigh their team with poor picks
The line between expert and wanna be is pretty thin …and really hard to prove! Mel Kiper? Al Davis? Whidbey Bronco? I could be great and we may never know.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 8, 2009 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
concentrate on your fantasy team and let the professionals do their job
by lolcopter on Sep 8, 2009 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, you may be right, but judging college players on their ability to play in the NFL before they even take a snap isn’t the best way to access talent
Terrell Davis would have been worth a 1st round pick. Was Jarvis Moss? We still don’t know…
by lolcopter on Sep 8, 2009 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this blows over.
Every time I think I have the upper hand on Raider Fan in my office, something like this comes up. I can’t make fun of Tom Cable trying to kill his assistants when we have a top draft pick beating up his girlfriend. Ridiculous.
by TheMastermind on Sep 8, 2009 12:45 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If you can't one-up a Raiders fan
then you’re doing something very, very wrong. That team is a GOLDMINE of comedy.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Sep 8, 2009 1:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOO!
One more reason to roast McD, count me in!
I cannot believe that this crap happens over and over again, maybe there should be girlfriend background checks or interviews to go along with the players. Merriman made a questionable decision by dating or associating with a known deviant and attention who-orse hockey in Tila, but Quinn? Do we need to talk about another suspension for actions detrimental to the team? Is there a need to cut these guys off from society from the beginning of their careers until retirement in order to safeguard them from these situations? Or is it, as stated above, just the laughing stock of the NFL also known as the AFC West, trying to trump one another one stupid action at a time.
Even if Quinn is found to be cleared of all fault, if his relationship with this particular women can escalate to these levels he would be better off avoiding her altogether, babies momma or not. These are career threatening situations these men (yes they are men, and should know right from wrong) get themselves into, but for whatever reason, it does not register that, just like hanging around with your old drinking buddies, hanging around with volatile women will only lead to bad decisions, situations and either the ultimate action or mistake.
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by Choochoobonewagon on Sep 8, 2009 4:51 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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