Shallow Thoughts & Nearsighted Observations
It's a regular season Football Tuesday, friends. What could be better? Welcome to another edition of ST&NO. I didn't watch a lot of Week 4 preseason football this week, because, let's face it, most of those games feature very little play by regulars. I did get into college football though, and I did put together some thoughts toward a season preview. Without further ado, let's jump right into it. Ready......... BEGIN!!!
1. You have to love the MSM echo chamber. A couple of these guys get to saying something, and next thing you know, the (mostly uneducated) opinion of a few becomes FACT. The funniest example to me was the 2006 Draft. The evening before the big day, the Texans, who had been assumed by everybody in the media to be preparing to draft Reggie Bush first overall, announced that they had agreed to terms with Mario Williams, and would be picking the Defensive End first the next day.
The Texans got brutally hammered by the instant analysis, as you'd expect. This must be about money, the punditry said. Charley Casserly must be cheap and/or out of his mind. Why would Bob McNair even let him run this draft, when he knew he was being let go? Was Casserly trying to sabotage the team on his way out?
After one year, it was ACCEPTED FACT that the Texans had screwed up. Williams struggled a bit, like young defensive linemen usually do, and Bush showed some flashes, especially in a playoff game against the Bears. The Texans screwed up, and they should serve as a lesson to other teams who are blessed have the first overall pick, and who don't want to screw it up themselves.
A funny thing happened in 2007, though. Mario Williams turned into (and continues to be) the best Defensive End in the NFL, and Reggie Bush proved to to be an injury-prone, part-time player. You haven't heard any mea culpas from Len Pasquarelli or John Clayton, in the aftermath of this. They were sure, and they had it DEAD WRONG, and there's no acknowledgment of that fact, whatsoever. I personally think that makes them cowards, and I remember it as an example of how not to behave, when I get something wrong, which I do from time to time (but far less often than they do.)
Remember when Bill Belichick stuck with Tom Brady for the playoffs, even when Drew Bledsoe got healthy back in 2001? He got killed, until Brady won their first Super Bowl against the mighty St. Louis Rams. This happens all the time.
Fast-forward to 2009. Clayton projects that the Broncos will go 3-13 this season, and be the second worst team in the NFL, behind Detroit. Unless a New York Mets-like spate of injuries befalls the team, he is DEAD WRONG. If I am wrong, and he is right, I will man up to it publically, like I always do, but that's not going to happen. The 2009 Denver Broncos are a competitive football team, I am sure of it.
I fancy myself, among other things, to be something of a football philosopher. The following beliefs dominate my thinking about the game.
a. The most important determinant in winning or losing football games is turnovers. The second most important determinant is field position. (Turnovers get the edge, because they usually afford the opponent excellent field position, in addiiton to the ball.)
b. Successful offensive teams must be able to pass the ball in the first half to get leads in games, and run the ball in the second half to protect leads. The ability to throw is of foremost importance, though.
c. Successful defensive teams must understand item b. and be prepared to act accordingly.
d. Scoring area offense and defense are always the difference between average teams and excellent teams. At the end of the day, your offense needs to score more points than your defense allows.
This 2009 Denver Broncos team has been put together brilliantly, and it adheres very closely to the philosophy which I just laid out. Consider the following facts about the Broncos, as presently constructed:
a. Kyle Orton has a pretty good history of protecting the football, where the previous Quarterback had a history of giving the ball to the defense a lot.
b. The Broncos, in the preseason, at least, showed better punt and kick coverage outcomes than we've seen in years, the one long Devin Hester return notwithstanding.
c. Alphonso Smith didn't get to return a lot of kicks, but he looked explosive every time he touched the ball, and that's something to be excited about. We know Eddie Royal can make plays in the return game, as well.
d. This team will pass the ball very well, regardless of who is doing the throwing. The offensive line is outstanding in pass protection, and there is no better group of players catching the ball (between WR, TE, and RB) in the NFL. Trust me, the ball is going to move through the air, and a lot of teams who rely heavily on rushing the passer are going to struggle to contain the Broncos, when their guys don't get close to Orton.
e. I believe the Broncos are going to run the ball very effectively as well. We didn't get to see Knowshon Moreno much in the preseason, but he looked tremendous when we did. Peyton Hillis and Correll Buckhalter are also capable runners, and Lamont Jordan at least used to be one.
f. The defense, which was one of the worst in NFL history last season, is much improved, against both run and pass. I particularly like the physicality I see from the front 5 in the running game, and Elvis Dumervil's ability to get pressure off the offense's left edge. Robert Ayers has been steadily improving too, and it won't be long before he starts on the left side of the defense. The secondary is older, obviously, but has shown a very nice ability to cover on the outside. If we see a lot of Wesley Woodyard in for Andra Davis in second-and-long situations, this can be an above-average defense, against both run and pass.
g. The scoring-area performance is the wild card. This is an 8-8 team with average performance there, and a better team with better performance. I believe that scoring area defense will be excellent, and that scoring area offense will be above average, and improve as the season goes on.
This is an 11-5 football team, and it's one that is only going to improve as it adds more quality talent in the next few years. I put my money where my mouth is too, donating $11 to the Susan G. Komen Race For The Cure, on John Bena's wife's behalf. Please do the same thing, if you can, by donating $1 for every win you think the Broncos will get this season. Things have to break right for that to happen, sure, but I think they will. Forget last season, this is a totally different thing.
"Professor" John Clayton thinks that so much roster turnover is bad, but when you were terrible on one side of the ball, it's actually really good. I personally like having 8 new starters on defense, from last season. And remember, there's only 1-2 new starters on offense, depending on how RB works out. And, by the way, Clayton couldn't be a professor at The College of Wig Design and Basket Weaving. Knowledge doesn't come with looking like a complete nerd, I'm sorry. He is going to be proven wrong again, and all anybody in the MSM will say is "They came out of nowhere. Who could have possibly seen it coming?"
2. Wow, 11-5, huh? I actually went through the entire NFL schedule, and picked it game by game for all teams. It satsified my accountant's need to have the total wins equal the total losses, and it seemed more scientific than just throwing a high-level WAG (accountant-speak for Wild-Ass Guess) at each record. The following is my prediction for team records.
As I indicated, I did this game-by-game, with no thought given to what final records should end up being. For example, I thought Green Bay might have the best record in the NFC, but their schedule played out to 11-5, the way I figured it. I feel like I have the Jets, Bengals, and 49ers somewhat too low, but that's how it came out.
By the way, the Broncos five losses are to the Patriots, Giants, and Raiders at home, and the Chargers and Eagles on the road. I know a lot of people will groan at the thought of losing to Oakland at home, but let's face it, the Broncos annually lose a game they have no business losing, and I had a feeling that that would be the one. I think they can beat Baltimore and Pittsburgh, because they protect the QB, and will be strong defensively against the run. It's about matchups, in those cases. Really, I believe that the Broncos can beat any team on their schedule if they execute, and consistently do the things you need to do to win football games.
At a league-wide level, give me Pittsburgh and Indianapolis as AFC Wild Cards, and Philadelphia and Minnesota in the NFC. I'll take the Eagles to beat the Titans in the Super Bowl, as things stand today. Of course, I speculated all of this, but I think I put more time into it than most MSMers did, and I feel pretty good about the results, for the most part.
3. Some random college football thoughts, from the opening weekend:
a. Notre Dame is a lot better than I thought they were. They have a lot of speed on defense, now, and I think they're primed for a big season. Of course, as we know, anybody who ever worked under Bill Belichick is doomed to failure, but expect Charlie Weis' seat to cool considerably, because the Irish should be in a BCS bowl game this year.
b. How about BYU, beating Oklahoma? People will point to the Bradford injury, and they have a point, but the Cougar defense was fast and physical, and they won the game. BYU may have a shot to play in the National Championship game, if you look at their fairly-strong schedule, and consider the credibility that Utah gave the Mountain West Conference last season.
c. Greg Paulus is a good QB for Syracuse. He may even emerge as a decent NFL prospect, though I am not ready to call him that yet. Remember, the Packers looked at him this offseason, before he decided to go to grad school at Syracuse.
d. Florida is still definitely the team to beat, and only Alabama looks like they have a chance of doing it, in the SEC. They wouldn't see each other until the SEC Championship game, which would be a rematch of a pretty tense, close game from last December, if it happened.
e. I'd like to see USC's restocked defense against a real team. Since there aren't any on their schedule until they play California the first weeknd in October, and there are none after that, Ohio State will have to do, this weekend.
f. Big up the Naval Academy for going toe-to-toe with the Buckeyes in Columbus, which is a really tough place to play. I expect the Midshipmen to have a nice year, and play in a solid bowl game. Their QB, Ricky Dobbs, might be the best one they've ever had.
g. I don't mind beating up on ESPN from time to time, but I do give them a lot of credit for being progressive with gender roles on their broadcast teams. I watched a lot of the Syracuse-Minnesota game on Saturday, because I was curious about Paulus, and Pam Ward did a fantastic job on play-by-play. She and Ray Bentley make a very nice team, and really, they should be on some better games, instead of the terrible Mike Patrick and the just-OK Craig James.
ESPN also has Doris Burke as an analyst for men's college and pro basketball, which is even more progressive. She does a great job too, and she really knows the game, having been a coach in the past. Despite the sort of chauvinistic slant of sports media over the years, it's good to see women who have something to contribute being given the chance to do so. Here at MHR, we get outstanding contributions from women like Colorado Kitten, mhrsgirl, batgirl, Silverblood, and others, and it's great to see that happening in the broadcast media, as well.
h. I'm with SI.com's Stewart Mandel on one thing at least:
Only one weekend in, and I already want to pound my head into a wall every time I hear that Kenny Chesney snippet. Why, ESPN? Why?
I think Kenny Chesney totally sucks anyway, but usually I can just choose not to listen to him. Now, ESPN/ABC is forcing him on me. I hate this song already, like Bill Simmons quickly came to hate "Use Somebody" by Kings of Leon over a recent weekend in Vegas. You see that, Kenny? I compared your awful song to the vacuous, peppy nonsense they play in casinos to keep people smiling and playing. I'll just need to have a steady supply of minimal-damage things on hand to throw on Saturdays, I guess. Sigh. Why can't these producer types just let football be FOOTBALL? I tell you, the best telecasts are the standard Sunday afternoon NFL games on CBS, where they just have a football game.
4. Having watched a bunch of college football on Saturday, I had occasion to see several future professional QBs play. It got me thinking that there were a lot of guys playing college football right now who can be first or second round picks in the NFL Draft, and challenge for starting jobs. You always hear that all of the spread-out schemes that are being used nowadays dilute the ranks, but I really disagree. I think that kids are getting better coaching at younger ages, and it's resulting in a lot of them maximizing their natural ability. Consider the following list:
a. Sam Bradford Oklahoma Junior 2010 Draft - The leader in the clubhouse right now to be the first pick in the 2010 Draft, if his shoulder injury isn't too serious. (As of Monday night, it sounds like it isn't, in the long-term sense.) Bradford is tall and very accurate, and has an average NFL arm. I like him, but don't love him, personally.
b. Jevan Snead Ole Miss 4th year Junior 2010 Draft - Snead flashes outstanding ability as a passer, and is a pretty good athlete. He's not as experienced as the other big name guys, because this will only be his second season as a starter. (He backed up Colt McCoy at Texas as a freshman.) Snead has all the tools you look for, and somebody will draft him very high. He looked rusty on Sunday, but you can see the nice ball he throws.
c. Tim Tebow Florida Senior 2010 Draft - Tim Tebow is almost certainly going to finish up his career being known as the greatest player in college football history. A lot of MSMers say he can't play QB in the NFL. They are wrong, and I am 100% sure that time is going to prove me right. Unlike most unconventional QBs who think they're going to change the QB position in the NFL, (think Vince Young or Michael Vick,) Tebow is humble enough to let the QB position in the NFL change him. Tebow has better arm strength than any of these 2010 guys, except Snead, and he's a huge threat on the ground, as everybody knows. He is the best short yardage runner I have ever seen, and is just different than any other QB to play the game in the modern era. The downside of Tebow is a slowness in his delivery, but that's coachable, and it's being worked on by his new QB coach, Scott Loeffler. Scouts are going to come around to this, and realize that Tebow is very similar to Donovan McNabb, when he was coming out of Syracuse 10 years ago. He is from a college-only system, and needs NFL coaching, but has all the tools. The MSM will still say that he should be an H-Back, which nobody even uses in the NFL, but they're wrong. Tebow is going to be a first round pick, and he'll win championships in the NFL, because a winner is a winner.
d. Jimmy Clausen Notre Dame Junior 2010 Draft - It's kind of hard to imagine a Notre Dame QB who was a top recruit being under-the-radar, but Clausen really fits that description, due to the Irish being down in recent years. He is poised for a huge junior season, having gotten started Saturday against Nevada (15-18, 315 yards, 4 TDs.) Clausen has been coached by a pro coach, (don't forget that Charlie Weis is excellent as a QB coach) and he is the most ready to run a pro system of any of these guys. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Clausen ends up actually being the first pick in 2010, if he measures OK at the combine. He'll leave, and Weis won't try to stop him, because he has a really good backup in Dayne Crist, waiting for his own chance.
e. Colt McCoy Texas 5th-year Senior 2010 Draft - McCoy is accurate, athletic, and has had an excellent career at Texas. His arm is the weakest of this 5 man group, he's thinly built, and I personally like him the least. He will probably shake out with a Jake Plummer or Drew Brees-like grade, and be a late first or early second rounder. If he can maximize his talent, like Plummer and Brees did, some team will have something. McCoy could also easily end up being a career backup in the NFL, though, like Kellen Clemens or Patrick Ramsey.
f. Tim Hiller Western Michigan Senior 2010 Draft - I got to watch Hiller some on Saturday against Michigan, and while he is said to be well-regarded by scouts, I didn't love him, from what I saw. He has a strong arm, and good pocket awareness, but he didn't look like a playmaker to me. I will be keeping an eye on him, as the season progresses.
g. Dan Lefevour Central Michigan Senior 2010 Draft - A highly productive run-pass player from another directional Michigan school. I like his quickness, and his ability to throw the ball is solid. Lefevour may rise into the bottom of the first round, once he gets tested at the combine, because he's just behind Tebow as an athlete, and ahead of the rest of the 2010 guys.
h. Terrelle Pryor Ohio State Sophomore 2011 Draft - This guy is going to be the first pick in the 2011 Draft, and you can almost write it in ink now. He can throw it, and run it, and he's not a spread guy. He plays under center a lot at OSU, in a pro-ish scheme. There's never been a 6-6 guy who is so fast and fuid with the ball, and he can really fire it down the field, with both strength and accuracy.
i. Jake Locker Washington Junior 2011 Draft - Locker is another first round lock, if he waits until 2011. He's a junior, but he missed most of last season, so he'd probably be best served to do so. He has a fantastic arm, and excellent athleticism. He's also going to get excellent coaching from Steve Sarkisian, and I expect big things from him.
j. Ryan Mallett Arkansas Third-Year Sophomore 2011 Draft - Mallett started a lot of games as a freshman at Michigan, and transferred to Arkansas when Rich Rodriguez brought in his option offense. Mallett is 6-7 and 238 pounds, and is a prototype NFL thrower. Nobody thinks much of Bobby Petrino as a man in the NFL, but everybody remembers that he can coach the hell out of the QB position, though.
k. Matt Barkley USC Freshman 2012 Draft - Will probably be the first pick in 2012. Barkley is the first true freshman to start at QB for USC in more than 30 years, and he looks like the real deal already.
l. Dayne Crist Notre Dame Sophomore 2012 Draft - He played some snaps on Saturday, and completed both throws he attempted. He has all the ability, and will get the benefit of outstanding coaching from Weis. He's eventually a first round pick, after starting for 2 years once Clausen leaves.
m. John Brantley Florida Third-Year Sophomore 2012 Draft - Brantley is much more of a Pro-style prospect than Tebow, and he projects very well to the NFL. He'll have the same college system concerns, but he's a good-sized player who can throw the ball with strength and accuracy. After 2 years as a starter, he'll be well-regarded by NFL scouts.
That's 13 guys playing college football right now, and probably 10-11 will be first round picks in the next 3 years. Are there 13 current NFL starters who are on their way out during that time? You'd have to say the answer is yes, because the talent replenishes itself. You can make a case for some other guys emerging as prospects, like Zac Robinson, Jonathan Crompton, Jacory Harris, Christian Ponder, Greg Paulus, Greg McElroy, Kevin Riley, Aaron Murray, Zach Mettenberger, Tom Savage, and Tate Forcier too. There is plenty of talent on the way in the next 3 years.
5. Welcome back, Brandon Marshall. Now, don't screw it up. Really, it's pretty simple with Marshall at this point. He needs to swallow his pride, work hard, and produce at a high level on the field, while staying out of trouble off of it. It is the only way he is going to get what he wants, be it from the Broncos or another team. Since I am not the arbiter of what is right and wrong, I am happy with him if he plays well and helps the team win. Hopefully, he can do that, because he'll be a Bronco all year, that much is clear.
6. Speaking of people who have been alleged to assault their girlfriends, we should all remember that we weren't there when whatever happened, happened, between Shawne Merriman and Tila Tequila. If he's guilty, I hope justice is done, at both the NFL level, and the judicial level. We just can't know whether he is or not, until a judge and jury say so, so please resist the temptation to gloat or moralize about it. It will work itself out, with or without any of us paying attention to it. Remember that each of us would appreciate the presumption of innocence, until proven guilty, if we were accused of a crime.
The same obviously goes for RIchard Quinn, who got arrested Monday, and spent the night in jail.
7. Retired for John Elway
8. Really interesting stuff going on with Offensive Coordinators getting canned lately, on the eve of the season.
a. First, Chan Gailey got whacked in Kansas City. The surprise was that Todd Haley kept him from the previous staff in the first place, not that he got fired. Haley wants to call the plays, and now, it seems that he'll get a chance to do so. It's clear that Scott Pioli is in charge in Kansas City, so the timing of the decision strikes me as a little strange.
b. Jeff Jagodzinski being canned in Tampa Bay was also interesting. Have you ever heard of an Offensive Coordinator delegating the play-calling to a position coach (RB coach Steve Logan, who was his corrdinator at Boston College)? It's bizarre, almost like Jagodzinski thought he was the head coach. It's clear that Raheem Morris didn't quite know what he was getting with Jagodzinski, and he acted decisively to correct a mistake from the past. Morris and GM Mark Domenik, two young guys, have been getting beat up in the MSM for this, but correcting a mistake is always better than living with one to avoid criticism. It shows me that Morris has strength in his convictions, an essential character trait for success as a head coach. A LOT of people, in all professions, stick with mistakes rather than admitting making them, and cutting their losses, which is always the right thing to do. Now, Morris will just have to get better at interviewing assistants, but that comes with experience. I'm not particularly high on Tampa's chances this season, but I think they and Morris have a bright future, once they get some more talent in there.
As for Jagodzinski, he might be out of work for awhile. He left Boston College, on bad terms, because he wanted to get back into the NFL. Now, the NFL found him to be lacking as a coordinator, so where does he go? He could maybe be an NFL Tight Ends coach again, like was at Green Bay. More likely, he tries to get back into the college ranks after this season, and lands somewhere less prestigious than BC.
c. The most Jerry Springer-ish divorce comes from Buffalo, where Dick Jauron let Turk Schonert go this week. Schonert claims that Jauron wanted a Pop Warner offense, and handcuffed his ability to be successful, by limiting the number of formations and plays he could use. Going public with that stuff is juicy for the fans, but may get him black-balled for awhile in the NFL. Look for Schonert to possibly re-materialize in college next season.
9. This is going to sound contrarian, but I actually like the Raiders trading for Richard Seymour. Even at Silver and Black Pride, SBNation's Raiders blog, the opinions are wildly mixed.
Only 42% like it there, so why do I? I doubt anybody in Oakland is thinking really far ahead, because if Michael Lombardi is to be believed, only Al Davis does any thinking that counts there. The long-term is why I like the move, however. To get there, I will start with the here-and-now, though.
In the last 6 years, the Raiders have selected Robert Gallery (2nd), Michael Huff (7th), JaMarcus Russell (1st), Darren McFadden (4th), and Darrius Heyward-Bey (7th.) They paid huge money for these players, and have gotten minimal Return On Investment. Their salary structure dictates that they quit making Top 10 picks, because with a salary cap, (and with the small-market economic reality of Oakland, even absent a cap,) they can't build a team full of those high-priced guys.
Seymour comes to Oakland, with a chance to help them be more competitive than they've been in recent years. That would get them out of the Top 10 business, anyway. He'll personally be motivated to produce at a high level, because he's in a contract year. The Raiders can franchise him after the season, they could overpay to keep him, or they could let him walk, and get a pretty sure 3rd round compensatory pick for him.
As for the price Oakland paid, it sounds steep, but remember that you have to discount the pick one round per year of waiting for it. That makes it worth a 3rd rounder in today's dollars, and it also prevents the Raiders from having to exercise another high pick in 2011, if their efforts to improve fail.
So, you get a chance to be better this year and for the next few years, with at least a 3rd rounder coming back, for the price of a 3rd rounder today. That makes sense to me, for the Raiders. (Admittedly, it would make less sense for the Broncos.)
I like Oakland making a move to be better now, because they've sure been terrible and irrelevant for a long time now, and what they've been doing just hasn't been working.
That's all I've got for now, but I'll be working on Lighting Up The Scoreboard, to run on Friday night, for the Bengals game. Have a great week, friends, and let's get fired up for some regular season Broncos football.
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Wow Ted!
You’ve really set the water mark high for youself. Brilliant piece!
As for your prognostication of the Broncos season, let’s just say I donated $13 dollars to Susan G. Komen Race For The Cure. ;)
GO BRONCOS!!
by pshin8670 on Sep 8, 2009 6:59 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Great Post
I need some time to digest this, there is a lot there. 11-5? I can see it happening.
It was good to hear some people other than Mountain West fans finally giving props to a team that deservs it. Being from Wyoming, you can imagine the pain that I have been going thru lately. And maybe I shouldnt root for teams like Utah and BYU, but if they can forge the way thru the BCS bologna, then when Wyoming does decide to play football (which I think may be sooner rather than later) we will have an easier time with it.
This is going to be a long agonizing week as I wait for the game, and when it comes I know they will make it worth the wait. GO BRONCOS!!
There is no charge for awesomeness, or attractiveness!!
I remember the whole Williams/Bush fiasco
That may have been the first time I started to see the MSM as a ratings obsessed whore with little regard for actual insight, because I saw Bush as nothing more than a change of pace back. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there has only ever been one Barry Sanders, and Bush was not the second coming as many believed at the time. I don’t know if there ever will be a second B.S., but ever is a long time, so it’s very possible. I was happy with the move by the Texans, as an interested outside observer. I still remember the crowd booing because they were all sold on the Bush hype machine.
In another aspect, I saw it as a good thing because RB’s, in general, do not last longer than 4 seasons. I don’t know what the numbers are for DE’s, but I believe that they simply have longer careers in the NFL, if they are good. They are not being hit on every play and driven to the ground all the time. Knee issues can derail a career pretty quickly, but other than that I think they are fairly solid picks. So from aspect alone, even if Bush was a star for four seasons, I saw it as a win for Houston because they should have, at least, a very solid player for many years to come.
I, too, have predicted an 11 win season to my friends, while secretly harboring a more realistic (I think) 7 to 9 win season. I don’t think that we beat Pittsburgh in any scenario.
Nice article again, Ted, thanks for all of your contributions.
This is our team, let's have fun with it! - dmitchell624
Reggie Bush was one of the most explosive college running backs of all time
And his inability between the tackles was hardly a known fact. Mario Williams was very unproven for a #1 overall pick. Skepticism regarding the pick seems well-reasoned.
by rururuland784 on Sep 8, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice article man!
Love that you did every team and had the standings!
"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"
by littletinybroncos on Sep 8, 2009 7:52 AM MDT reply actions
The U
When the Pats are drafting T Prior with the 1st pick in 2011, the Seymour trade won’t seem like a very good idea from Oakland’s perspective. There could be a rookie wage scale by 2011 so that pick might be even more valuable after the CBA is put to paper.
You are saying Denver will win their regular season game in Indy? That’s bold.
Go Canes. Miami is BACK!
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Two words: Brian Griese
If we didn’t go 3-13 with him, we ain’t going to under Orton… (okay so the worst we did with him was only marginally better…) What has to be understood is that half the AFC West is in way worse shape than the Broncos. The Raiders’ coach is the subject of a criminal investigation while the Chiefs just canned their OC just days before the regular season. 3-13 just doesn’t make any sense when you look at our schedule. There is just too much talent on the roster to simply write off the season before having ever played a game. 3-13? Get out of here with that crap.
With eveything I’ve heard this season, I’m surprised that the MSM hasn’t predicted the stadium would crumple in on itself ala the house at the end of POLTERGEIST and the Broncos franchise disappear from existance all together. My friends, it’s time for the pundrity to end and the football to begin.
Rod bless us everyone.
J
9-7
I think we could go 9 and 7 this year, which would be (in my estimation) a huge success for Mickey D. And that could be enough to win the West if Norv Turner does his usual coaching. If the defense plays well, maybe we win one or two more games. If Orton struggles, maybe we lose one or five more games. However, if Orton plays up to expectations (doesn’t make mistakes and manages games well), there’s no reason we shouldn’t be one of the top offenses.
Even if we only win three games, however, I think this can be a fun year as we watch the progression and see Mickey D’s philosophy start to take hold. Of course, if there is no noticeable progression through the year, well, then ….
I would prefer a better home record myself. 7-1 with our only defeat coming against Pit. :P
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
That's the recipe for success in any sport.
Take care of business at home, go .500 on the road. That’ll get you a shot at championship every year.
by legendarywalton on Sep 8, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Really good stuff there Ted, thanks.
I’m in the 9-7 crowd myself, but, naturally would be estatic at 11-5. Would love to see how you played out each game to come up with those standings. Now let’s get the season started.
I have to agree Notre Dame looked a lot better than I expected as well. I think Charlie finally has it going there. Best game of the weekend was last night, between Florida State and Miami, what a barn burner that was, fun to watch. The Buffs looked horrid against the Rams, who looked okay at best.
while I will agree that the Buffs looked horrible
I think the Rams played some solid ball for their part. Especially considering all the new skill position players under Fairchild’s (only) second year as HC and playing at Folsom where we hadn’t won since 1986. Wasn’t the Miami game, granted, but as an unapologetic Rammie, I’ll take it. :-)
"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com
by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 8, 2009 9:12 AM MDT up reply actions
Kitten
Just looking at this from an impartial view. I follow both the Rams and the Buffs throughout the year as I grew up inbetween the two schools. The Rams played well, but, there are a few things they could improve on offensively in the passing game. Lots of potential there for sure. The running game looks solid if they can keep Mosure healthy. The Dline was a huge surprise and I hope they can keep it up….should be another bowl bound year for them. They should be competitive in the MWC as well.
speaking of the Rocky Mountain Showdown
They would occasionally show Mark Sanchez on the CU sidelines. I swear the guy next to him was our own Tom Brandstater! I would know that schnoz anywhere! Did anyone else see that?
"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com
by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 8, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions
just answered my own question
this from the Bleacher Report
Sanchez was seen on the University of Colorado sidelines during the CU-CSU game all decked out in Buffs gear. He was there supporting his longtime friend, CU wideout Scotty McKnight. Sanchez was standing alongside, ironically enough, Broncos third stringer and fellow rookie Tom Brandstater.
"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com
by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 8, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
It's like that at my house, too CK
When she wants my opinion, she tells me what it is…..lol
Hillis/Moreno in '09
lol
"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com
by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 9, 2009 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes I did see that and just didn't think anything of it...
Fox sports needs to get some better play-by-play and color guys if they are going to compete in the college game. I can’t remember game called as badly as that one was. I ended up turning off the sound.
I do that for the Broncos.
I turn down the sound and turn the Radio to KOA, much better analysis.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 8, 2009 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd have to go online for
the KOA broadcast, if they do that, to get the radio coverage. Don’t get KOA here in the Sacramento area needless to say. For years I’d watch games with not sound and just have music on in the background, doing the play by play in my head.
Thanks Ted,
I really like what we have done so far this preseason, on all 3 phases of the ball. The turnovers got better every game we played, plus Orton isn’t known for int’s. We only stopped ourselves in most cases with penalties, or turnovers(things we can fix, and have been getting better at weekly). Our defense does not resemble anything we have fielded in 3 years or so, tired of articles comparing this years D to previous years D’s. I’m even more impressed with Mike Nolan. I would like to see Alphonso taking over on returns. I love to watch Royal return, but I squirm every time he takes a big hit returning the ball.
I believe we will no longer loose to the worst teams in the NFL anymore however, or be blown out. Those losses fell onto the coaching staff preparing the team IMO, not the players. Division games are usually harder to win than non divisional games so I do agree with loosing one game to the Chiefs or Raiders.
One college prospect that stood out to me was DT Gerald McCoy Jr: 6’4, 297 lbs from Oklahoma. That kid was everywhere. If we have a chance at drafting him, we shouldn’t hesitate. He will be a game changer, so here’s to Chicago going 4-12 to give us a chance at him.
Finally I strongly feel we will go 9-7, an educated WAG. Feel we will loose one or two games we should win, and also win a few games we should loose. A strong start to our season is a must, if we can have a strong start it will give us momentum to propel us into that brutal stretch of games.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
You really like what we've done in all 3 phases this pre-season
Look, I get the optimism but good lord guys.
by rururuland784 on Sep 8, 2009 11:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Great Post
I’m with the 8-8 believers and believe I’m pretty happy with that. I really wanna see the team playing better and I really like what our coaches are doing.
Regarding the QB prospects, I’m paying attention to the 2011/2012 classes (I really like McCoy, but don’t think we will pick a QB next year that early in the Draft), since that’s when I think if Orton/Simms don’t work and TB isn’t ready we will get a QB with a high pick.
But really enjoy the reading.
Extensive post.
A lot to digest. Well done. I am not sure everyone realizes how long it probably takes to put this thing together.
not counting the hours of watching football? :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Great read as always!
But 11-5? Wow, I can only dream! And “We didn’t get to see Knowshon Moreno much in the preseason, but he looked tremendous when we did.” Dude, we saw him for 3 plays – we have no idea how he’s going to perform – really well I hope! Once again, very nice job!
Go Broncs!
It's "just" football
" Dude, we saw him for 3 plays"
…and in those plays, he looked tremendous: burst, leg drive, vision, power.
A small sample, sure. But we do have his college career to go on, for backup.
I’ve been a 9-7 / 10-6 guy since April (as McGeorge can attest) — with the understanding that we could look a lot like last season’s Packers at 6-10, losing close games but still showing great improvement.
What’s astounding is we lost Cutler and gained Moreno and Gaffney on offense; and on defense, we are MUCH stronger in the secondary, much heavier on the d-line, and much bigger at linebacker — and yet guys like Clayton do the math and come away seeing a team going in the wrong direction.
That boggles the mind, frankly. And that guys like this get paid to spout such nonsense boggles the mind ever more.
All you have to do is watch Knowshon's college tapes.
There is no doubt he is one of the most versatile backs in the last several years. LT is the only one I could even recall that runs like Moreno.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Moreno runs harder than LT
and doesn’t have LTs gifts of lateral escapism. That said, LT is proven and KM has a long ways to go, but he could be one of the best ever, for the Broncos, which means he could be one of the best ever.
Precision in thought, concision in style, decision in life.
by Jeremy Bolander on Sep 8, 2009 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Lateral Escapism
LT is phenomenal at lateral escapism in a pack, but imo KM may be better in the open field at lateral escapism.
Sprained Knee
might hinder this for a little while but hopefully they can start him out slow. If Buck stays healthy for 6 or 8 weeks and Hillis the human battering ram can plow into the endzone, Knowshon will be able to grow this year.
I also think
Buck can be a valuable pick in a PPR Fantasy League if you are looking for weeks 1-5 production.
Great thoughts on the redzone offense being the ?
I stated after the draft in April that we would be 10-6. I stand by that now.
The only difference we have in games lost are:
I have us losing to Bal and Indy, but not losing to the Raiders…. :)
Marshall is now on his own……he steps up or good riddance whenever we lose him….I hope the former is true…
A proud prognostication of 10-6 in 2009!!!
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Thanks, Ted!
Great post! I always enjoy reading something that is well thought out rather than simply the ramblings of someone who’s too lazy to do the work required for a good piece. Maybe that’s why I quit reading the Denver Post. But I digress… I have thought for a while now that Denver would be an 8-8 or 9-7 team, but your post today gave me a reason for greater optimism. Even when the team looked bad during the pre-season, they looked better than last year’s model, and you made some comments, especially about Orton and special teams, that really got my blood pumping. I don’t see Orton making as many “big” plays as Cutler, but I don’t see him making as many bone-headed plays, either; especially from the opponent’s 20 in [I refuse to say “red zone” any more]. Special teams looked great in pre-season, even with Hester’s return. Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to an opponent. On the majority of occasions, kickoffs went into the end zone, punts were long and stayed up in the air for a long time, and the tackling was fierce and accurate. I thought I saw a couple of guys miss their gaps on Hester’s return, but that could have had more to do with Hester than with the Broncos. My prayer, for his sake and the team’s, is that Brandon Marshall gets his stuff together and plays like an animal this season. Then I hope he gets his big money with some other team and we take their 1st and 3rd round draft picks and do something that’ll make John clayton’s eyes bug out.
Bruton was held all the way down the field on Hester's return
"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"
by littletinybroncos on Sep 8, 2009 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions
It's simple and complicated, all at once
Great synthesis, TB. The X’s and O’x on the field — the tactics — are pretty complicated for the new administration. But the strategy, like you say, is simple. Win the turnover battle, improve field position, execute in the red zone. The simplest insights are often the most profound.
I think our collective emotional investment in the Bears preseason game has really shifted perceptions about the coming year. Like you say, the coverage teams have been much, much improved. Over the years, we came to expect at least one 30-40 yard return per game from the other team. The Hester return doesn’t negate those results — it just hurt. A lot.
And I’m positive the offense is going to control the ball and play the short-to-mid-range passing game effectively. They moved down the field so well in the first 2 games. But after that Bears game, it was hard to recall an offensive play that wasn’t a screen pass. We know otherwise, but the memories linger.
As for Clayton, I love that a) he’s laying the roster turnover at McDaniels’ doorstep and giving the guy with the horrible draft classes a pass, and b) he’s implying the Broncos would somehow be better off holding onto the duds from last year. I have a post coming later this week, in which I look at the current employers of everyone who was booted from last year’s team. it’s so, so much worse than you thought.
Hear hear
What everyone above said. (Sorry, I haven’t had coffee yet; that’s the extent of my feedback. ;-) ) As I said in the draft chat last night, it’s only too bad someone like Clayton won’t see your piece, and “hear” it, too. He’s just one example of many, many in the sports media who arrogantly make predictions, because that’s what they’re paid to do, even if they’re also paid to make smart analysis. And they will never come back and take a look at how they did, after the season, and try to learn from their own mistakes. It’s all about filling airspace, making waves, getting people to call in or write in with anger, and instead of having a dialogue it’s who can yell the loudest. Don’t want to get too political but I see this same lack of critical thinking skills demonstrated in the public and political arena these days, too. Let’s just shout down everyone else, whoever is loudest wins, never mind whoever had the best most reasoned analysis.
Anyway… spot on.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
Btw
I do think 11 & 5 is probably a little too optimistic imho, I’m more in the 8 or 9 wins camp, based on schedule, though I think they will be perfectly capable of beating anyone. One big question as you note will be how effective they become at punching it in for scores. Something they weren’t great at last year. I expect improvement there but it is a wild card and the sched ain’t easy. I’m gonna go a couple wins down from your prediction but I think we can all agree 3 wins is, well, borderline retarded.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
Awesome Ted! Rec'd
I’ve been saying it for months. The Broncos will win 10 games this year. 11 sounds better.
I’m in no way a scout for football players so I will take your word on the QB evaluations. On the other hand though, I consider myself a really good scout of females. That puts Colt McCoy #1 with the absolute most beautiful girlfriend. She is smmmmokin!
All you get from drafting the "best player available" is a team full of good football players.
Your 11-5 prediction is a bit startling, Ted, but
I haven’t seen many break down and detail your reasoning as you did here. I have had the Broncos at 9-7 this year, and you make me feel better about what I have thought might be more of a “homer” opinion, despite my efforts to analyze similarly to you.
I especially appreciate your caveat in your #6 point, where you caution us to withhold our opinions on Merriman’s and Quinn’s guilt innocence. I’m just glad some of the posters, whose remarks I have viewed on the various boards, are not on any jury that might be selected. There are so many “experts” who know nothing of the respective situations.
Good job, as usual, Ted. Thanks again.
Never argue with a fool, lest you take on his appearance. - my daddy
It's called over-rationalizing
It’s what this board does.
by rururuland784 on Sep 8, 2009 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm still not convinced
that this team has improved enough in the critical areas it lacked in last year: field position and red-zone scoring. The kick coverage is noticeably improved, and the turnovers are starting to come, but we’re still settling for too many field goals.
This comment also raised an eyebrow:
Their QB, Ricky Dobbs, might be the best one they’ve ever had.
Perhaps you’ve forgotten a pretty good quarterback named Roger Staubach?
This team is better than I thought, but breaking even against the schedule we’ve got would be quite an accomplishment. I don’t think we’re there yet.
by db8632 on Sep 8, 2009 10:24 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah good call there on Staubach.
I was born in 1977, so I forgot Staubach
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Sep 8, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Glad you brought that up cb. I was just about to.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 8, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
FWIW
I was over at WCG where they were discussing strength of schedule, and A BEARS FAN said denver has a shot at 11 wins
Wow, dallas? get in line with the rest of America every year, sucking on the cowboy teet. they suck, accept it.
Indy has peyton manning, and no coaching, they should be beatable. along with the skins, and the eagles. so that would but your un highlighted wins plus three, allowing for up to 11 wins.

You lost me at
‘I fancy myself, among other things, to be something of a football philosopher.’
Not that I have an issue with it because I like your stuff but a little humility would take you a lot further with the “cool-aid” crowd I’m thinking.
Anyway I like all the points but I too feel based on what I’ve seen in the PS that 11-5 is too optimistic, although we’re on the right track for sure. I’m an 8-8 guy this year myself, mostly because 1. I have not seen enough of Orton to get excited about him putting the ball in the center of the field 2. I think our O-Line will have a hard time duplicating the excellence of last year (people often forget that Cutler’s mobility bailed them out a lot) 3. I think our linebackers will have issues in coverage until they learn the system better.
No slam on Denver and what they’ve done, but back to your analogy I think we’re in the Mario Williams rookie season type of results this year, with good things to follow down the road.;
All I meant by the football philosopher thing
was that I have ideas about how winning football is played. I didn’t mean that I think I am Socrates or something, just that I try to think of the game at a philosophical level.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Sep 8, 2009 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Proclaiming yourself a philosopher of sorts is not an arrogant statement...
A philosopher means you are always learning and have a strong desire to learn. At least that’s how I view the term. In a way, we all are philosophers of the game..
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Yeah, totally not meant arrogantly
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
Just to be clear I didn't take it that way
But when I read that I thought, oh boy here we go again with the “cool-aid” gang trashing the writers because they know better…blah blah blah.
I look forward to the ST&NO each week so keep er up, great work!
Ah ok, I think I took your meaning out of context then. :)
I’m on the kool-aid this week. But only because I want the Broncos to win.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Somehow, knowing Ted...
I can’t see him editing his comments based on what some other folks might say. And, he’d be right to not bother. It was once said that fundamentalism is the deep seated fear that somewhere, somehow, some way, someone is enjoying themselves. The same goes for some posters – you can’t please everyone, and it’s best to not try.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
I liked the college quarterbacks section
I think you left out one guy who will be a stud in a couple of years.
Landry Jones, yes the guy that people are freaking out about because Bradford’s hurt, this guy has all of the tools of an NFL quarterback. He is tall, athletic, accurate, and has a real cannon for an arm (possibly the strongest in college football right now). Coming out of high school he was portrayed as a much more athletic Jason White, because he was big and had a strong arm. He obviously wont be playing once Bradford is back, but I expect hell show flashes of brilliance until Bradford is back. Jones will be a top 10 pick in the 2013 draft possibly the 2012.
On To Victory!!!
I don't know him at all, other than what i saw Saturday
and he looked out of his element there. I will keep an eye on him, thanks,
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
by Ted Bartlett on Sep 8, 2009 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
I wish I could borrow your orange tinted glasess.
Colt would be best for our offense. Most accurate college QB in history. Great feet. Great leader. Extremely hard worker. Better mechanics than Tebow. Snead left UT becasue he couldn’t beat out McCoy, who was in contention for the Heisman as a Freshman.
Hope you’re right about Alphonso on returns. I haven’t seen anything resembling explosiveness. In fact, he has seemed realtively slow to me on returns. He also seems tentative.
You left off Garrett Gilbert, true freshman backup QB at Texas. He’ll be a top 10 pick the same year as Barkley, after he wins a Heisman.
Disagree about the value of the Raiders’ first rounder. You don’t “have” to discount it one round per year. That is an extraordinarily high discount rate. Ask New England if they think they have a brand new 3rd round pick. Also, no mention of Seymour’s health issues the last few years, including finishing last season on injured reserve.
It wasn’t just the “MSM” that bashed the Willims over Bush decision. A ton of NFL personnel people felt the same way. In fact, MSM opinion on the matter was largely shaped by the opinions of NFL front office types. The decision Casserly made to draft Williams ended up being about the only thing he did right. They’re still trying to recover from his reign.
That Chesney song is the worst piece of trash ever recorded.
In your prediction, you seem to have glossed over the fact that we could not score in the preseason. It’s apparent that we are still deep in the learning curve of our new offensive system. How do you see us winning our first 2 games, given the fact that our 2 main QBs have missed a lot of practice time recently and that we are still trying to learn this offense? Even before the 2 injuries, our first team offense simply could not score TDs. I don’t see how we could have possibly moved to the fun side of the learning curve so quickly, with the QBs not able to practice or play for a while.
It's awesome
that you didn’t just estimate the number of wins we’d get, but actually crunched the whole schedule, game by game. It’s not possible, of course, to guess the ups and downs, the games when a team is relatively flat and those when it’s relatively sharp, but they average out. One thing that might justify your 11-5 prediction, despite a fairly tough schedule, is we’re going to sneak up on a lot of teams because the perception is so widespread that the Broncos are mediocre and in disarray. The evidence that a team (the 2008 Dolphins and Falcons, this year’s Broncos) is better than expected isn’t hard to come by, but human nature is such that the weight of consensus makes it hard for others to see and believe it. The Dolphins and Falcons probably weren’t quite as good as their records, but they were so much better than expected that team after team couldn’t get up for them as much as they needed to. That will work for us, too, and will help counter the effect of a schedule that’s tougher than last year’s.
I can’t escape the impression, too, that McDaniels has been sandbagging somewhat, in addition to having priorities that don’t engender winning preseason games and complex systems to learn that make it probable that the Broncos will be a better team at the end of the season than at the beginning. The analyses that make most sense are those which, position by position, show that the Broncos are at least as good and in many places better, sometimes greatly so, than last year’s equivalents. But what’s less obvious is the effect of coaching and personnel choice on team play, such that the 2009 edition will be greater than rather than less than the sum of its parts.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
I agree McDaniels didn't show everything, just like all teams.
However, his first team offense coulnd’t score. That wasn’t intentional. I agree we’ll be much better on offese at the end of the season than the beginning. However, our 3 easiest games are at the beginning.
Couldn't Score
Here’s my one question about the first team (and by that, I mean 1st team with Kyle Orton as QB). Obviously, the lack of scoring wasn’t intentional, but was it a side-effect of another intentional goal?
With Simms or Brandstater, the playcalling was pretty well-rounded: both the running game and passing game were working well. With Orton, the playcalling went very pass-happy. One hypothesis would be that McDaniels was maximizing the number of passing reps in the preseason in an effort to advance Orton as much as possible.
The test of that hypothesis will begin as soon as Orton is starting in the regular season. Then we can watch McDaniels playcalling with Orton in games that matter, with the added benefit of seeing if such playcalling is resulting in points. Until then…just so many unknowns!
"Don't feed the trolls. Remember to be polite. And please show self-restraint in comment length!" -Me, to myself, because I need constant reminding.
Hard to know but
I got the sense that the playcalling was pretty vanilla in exhibition games. Which is pretty typical. Why tip your hand, show your best plays, before it counts? So it’s really hard to tell what to expect from the offense til the games mean anything.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
Another revelation about John Clayton
From The Onion. Never knew this!
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
amazing post....
I was working on trying to communicate why I think the Broncs are gonna do well this year, but you’ve done it so much better…..really appreciate your insight…..plan to forward this on to others that will benefit from your insight…….great stuff!
Keep the insights coming from whatever it is that you watch…..Even though I’m not into the college game, its good to hear what you like about some of these guys. Your detailed analysis is great for helping me understand the details that surround some of my hunches….thx!
Oh yeah, I like your full season analysis too…..however, I think you’re way off on Cleveland and San Francisco with 2 and 3 wins, respectively….I have them both as minimum 8-8 teams…..I’m a little more confident on Cleveland, but as you said, injuries can easily tip the win scale.
Cleveland looks bad to me
I still don’t like their OL. But maybe 6 or 7 wins isn’t crazy. Agree about the Niners, their D is good and they have a good running game. Still not sold on passing game. But 8 wins seems a reasonable guess,. esp playing in a division that may be as weak as the other Western division.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
I can buy into just about everything else you said,
but Kenny Chesney is O.K.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
Wow.
Nice article, Ted. I’ve got the Broncos at 7-9 right now, with only a slightly better upside.
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
I'd be thrilled to have a winning record
I can’t really look at the schedule and see what you see, Ted, though I’m willing to admit I’m letting last year’s powerhouses bias my view of the strength of schedule this year.
I’m rooting for 9 wins but expect 7. All the same, I admit I’d be mildly (though not distraughtedly) disappointed with a losing record this year. I see the potential, but potential doesn’t win games — execution does. If we can execute well, minimize penalties and turnovers, I see no reason to doubt your audacious prediction. ; )
Great post as always. Thanks for consistently providing a multifaceted world view!
Conversation nonstarters: hoping McDaniels fails, comparing Bears to Broncos, Cutler to Orton, apples to oranges, and casual drinkers to Raiders fans.
Another College QB for you
Riley Skinner of Wake Forest. (Not a bad program given that Curry and Smith emerged from there in this year’s draft).
He starts 2009 with a .673 completion percentage (639 from 949), which puts him in with a realistic chance of becoming the ACC’s all time record holder for completion percentages currently held by Matt Schaub at .670.
He compared favourably with both Bradford at .685 career percentage, and Tebow at .657.
His interceptions (25 in 949 attempts) are the fewest among all active players with at least 700 career passes, while his 26 – 11 record as a starter gives him the joint second highest wins among active players behind Texas’ Colt McCoy (32)
He has the intangibles too, a born leader, good work ethic, smarts and as his figures suggest, he protects the ball exceptionally well. He might not go under the radar as rumour has it that he is highly thought of in coaching circles. He just fails to get the media attention, probably because he seems to have been around since God was a boy. I expect him to go in the 2nd or maybe 3rd round of the 2010 draft His height (6’ 1" I think) will be against him as far as the draft “experts” are concerned.
As for your prediction? I am hovering at a minimum of 7 – 9, but I expect us to be a much better football team than last year by the end of this season. This, IMHO, will be our formative year, after that I am joining the kool aid crew.
I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet
by BlobTheMagnificent on Sep 8, 2009 1:37 PM MDT reply actions
I like Skinner too.
I think he projects more like a 3rd rounder, but he could emerge with strong play this year.
"I am not one of those who think that coming in second or third is winning." -- Robert F. Kennedy
I'm not a snickering type
But when I saw that Clayton was calling himself “The Professor” I had to snicker for a good while.
Chiiiiiiiiiiiild puuuuhhhleaaaze!!!
What a joke.
by RockyMountainHigh on Sep 8, 2009 1:53 PM MDT reply actions
+1
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 8, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions
I've got better credentials and I'm still somewhere between level one and two on HT's scale.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Sep 8, 2009 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not quite as zen as HT, but I am right around where you are. Maybe a couple of notches behind ya. ;-)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
It's only because he models himself after another
professor in his good looks and wherewithal.

The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
After watching the Chicago game, this is not an 11-5 team.
Mark me down for 6-10. We sweep KC and Oakland and we beat Cleveland and Dallas. I could see us winning in Washington and/or Cincy as underdogs. 8-8 is optimistic. I am far from sold on our QB play and three average to good opposing QBs lit us up pretty good in the preseason.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
I thought you said 8-8 a few days ago? 6-10 is where I come in, too. I think the QB play and special teams and goal-line efficiency will be there in November and December. But it’s inevitable that we’ll have lots and lots of rough spots in the early months. Turnovers in spots where the WRs or Orton are not familiar enough with a play, miscues on defensive assignments. I just don’t see a way to avoid it with change on this scale.
Think of it as the anti-Shanny season: Slow start, hopeful finish.
I see the opposite.
I think this team will start okay and stumble to the end. There is no vet leadership to right the ship when things go poorly in the middle of the schedule.
I foresee some key Broncos bailing out on kid McD when we prove to be a lower echelon team.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
I see leadership that will step up once games start being played and they can prove themselves to their teammates [Dawkins].
Who do you think would bail out on the coach? I don’t see anyone on the team other than Marshall who I think would do it.
A truth can only be expressed and enveloped in words if it is one-sided. Everything that is thought and expressed in words is one-sided, only half the truth; it all lacks totality, completeness, unity.
Nothing in their character or anything they have displayed has shown anything to me that would say they would bail out on the coach. What past instances have you seen where you would believe this? Perhaps I have missed something
A truth can only be expressed and enveloped in words if it is one-sided. Everything that is thought and expressed in words is one-sided, only half the truth; it all lacks totality, completeness, unity.
I didn’t see much leadership in Champ or DJ the past few years.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Where does leadership [or lack thereof] equate to bailing on the team?
I think I missed a step of your logic somewhere =)
A truth can only be expressed and enveloped in words if it is one-sided. Everything that is thought and expressed in words is one-sided, only half the truth; it all lacks totality, completeness, unity.
Instead of bailing out, how about the term cruise control.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
No....this is ridiculous....McG you bring so much good stuff and yet regress to crap like this...
This is an opinion you have formed in your own mind based on nothing but your will to make it true.
Its an absolutely INSANE premise to base an argument on.
Just saying……
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Sep 8, 2009 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
That is Ridiculous
None of those guys are head cases. They have each shown themselves to be very professional and professionals go out and do their job. I can’t fathom your concern over this.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
We shall see. Denver has not fielded on uncompetitive football team in a long long time. I could see the 2009 team being the worst one since 1991.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
I Agree That
there is speculation over the competitiveness of the team. I don’t see any players bailing on the team regardless and that is just pure speculation.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Last year's team
was uncompetitive because it’s defense was the worst one I’ve seen since I’ve been a fan. The year before’s team wasn’t so competitive either. How can this team look worse than last year’s model, which got blown out in quite a few games and couldn’t win one of the last 3 to make the playoffs? This seems like the most negative possible guess to take about a team before the season starts.
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
6-10
That would be 1 better than his mentor. Maybe he could manage 1 more Super Bowl than his mentor too.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Did his mentor trade away his 1st round pick the year before his 5-11 campaign?
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Only if you want the best chance to plug blue chip talent back into your program.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
You
Make several assumptions when you say this all of them too long to describe and I am sure you have heard.
Simply put it isn’t a factor, we are discussing record and history. It is foolish to turn it into an Alphonso Smith debate.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
It won’t be foolish to question the trade if Seattle is picking an Eric Berry or Sam Bradford type with our draft pick.
Smith is a decent prospect. But there are much better prospects than he.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Speculative
Smith is a very good prospect and who or who not may be there is an unknown. In fact who or who would have been there now that we have traded our pick will forever be an unknown.
Your obsession with the Smith trade isn’t warranted and shouldn’t be injected into each discussion. If we do go 6-10 it could very well be that we would have gone 5-11 without Smith so this conjecture does nothing for our discussion at hand.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Don’t kid yourself. Smith is a decent prospect. A marginal 1st/2nd round talent in this draft and most others.
We traded a 2010 draft pick for Smith. It’s not just how we do in 2009, it’s how we do in 2010 and beyond.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Seriously
I am being very neutral towards the deal right now because I keep saying that we were talking about seasonal records.
I have no idea why you inject the Smith trade into this. There are plenty of reasons why you would do a deal like that. You have heard them all. You disagree fine.
Lets continue talking record this year without going off on some jaunt.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Okay. I see Denver finishing between 6-10 to 8-8. Leaning towards 6-10.
If we don’t finish in this range, I suspect it will be because we have five or few wins.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
I have had
5-11 since the beginning of the offseason. I just think it takes a year to get all the pieces in place and fear our schedule will crush many.
That said I think that 5-11 isn’t the end of the world use his mentor’s schedule in NE as evidence to that fact.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
We sweep Kansas City? Now your on the kool-aid.
Man we are 13-40 all-time against KC on their home turf. And none of those 13 wins have come in the last couple of years!
We go 7-9 or better. I guarantee it.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
This Annoys Me More than Anything
Losing at Arrowhead drives me nuts. A culture that I am hoping McDaniels can break with disciplined football.
Maybe we should change the slogan to be more specific:
“Do Your Job…Even at Arrowhead”
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Dude, if Elway couldn't do it McD's got a snowballs chance in hell to do it.
I wish it could be changed…but we are talking 50 years of history. lmao
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Oh I Don't Know
I think focus on strict execution time and time again may be key. In the past I would see more game planning and a lack of planning for a weak KC team and then getting taken by surprise by them at home.
In any event, as much as I like Elway I would phrase it as of Reeves or Shanahan couldn’t…
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Reeves, Shanny. Phillips, Miller, ect ect all the way down to Frank Filchock couldn't do it.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
This→ "Annoys Me More than Anything
I dread the game at KC every year, and yet I have to watch it. One of the few things that you have to salute KC for, no matter how much adversity they endure, they stand up and punch us in the mouth at home.
I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal
So we win 25% of our games at Arrowhead and the 2009 version will be another awful Chiefs team.
It’s not impossible to win there and those fans are not nearly as loud (or in attendance) as they used to be.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Dude, the Chiefs went 2-14...one of those was against us in Arrowhead. lol
How much worse do they have to be?!?!? Plus we had the all-might Jay Cutler who can win championships by himself, leap tall buildings in a single bound, and rescue baby kittens from the clutches of curious toddlers. Come on!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Yeah
But Larry Johnson proved to be Kryptonite. Harmless to everyone else but deadly to us.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
KC didn’t win that game as much as Denver mailed it in. The lack of leadership on our team was very evident in 2007 and 2008. Other than Dawkins, whom fills that void? Royal and Clady appear to be quiet studs in the mold of Bailey (I’ll let my play do the talking). Cutler is a vocal leader, but in big time need of a leadership mentor that Denver lacked.
Love the Broncos, don't like their Coach.
Point is, the Chiefs figure out ways to beat us on their home ground and have done so since the dawn of time.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
I’ll take a stab at this… Other than BDawk, we have McDaniels installing a completely new culture. I would still love to see someone stand up and assume the Al Wilson role, but I think the new culture will compensate for the quiet nature of some of our stars. And I have to say, you might underestimate BDawk. Some one who will come out of the gate capering on all fours and slapping himself in the head, while still dressing while injured because he hasn’t earned anything should not be taken lightly. (On a side note, can ANYONE picture BDawk on our team during the SB run? I just can’t do it, lol)
I'm tired of hearing about money, money, money, money, money. I just want to play the game, drink Pepsi, wear Reebok.
Shaquille O'Neal
i have my moments.
My wife asserts that those moments are far and few between. I disagree.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
no offense to MHR's kitten.
In a way thought, the kitten was being abused by the toddler. So no insult there really for Colorado_Kitten.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
haha much appreciated, Zappa.
No offense taken. :-)
I lol’d.
"When a new coach comes in and expects hard work, a team attitude and personal accountability over a personal thirst for glory, I won’t fault him for the reactions of a few selfish individual." ~Hunter Ansley, InDenverTimes.com
by Colorado_Kitten on Sep 9, 2009 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Not sure when you went to Arrowhead last
but I went there to one game last season. Not only was it packed, but it was so loud I couldn’t think straight.
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King
Yeah, but do you realize that that was only the second time this decade we won in Arrowhead?
Was the other time in 2005 when we went 13-3? nope. It was in 2002 when we beat the Chiefs 37-34 in Overtime. lmao My point is we suck against KC. The only time we dominated KC on their home turf was a 4 year period in the late 70’s when our Orange Crush defense helped us win 4 straight years in KC.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
We Should
Start a movement to get KC a new stadium. I mean that thing is old and outdated. Time to update.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
Arrowhead was built in like 1971 wasn't it?
We were like 1-11 in their old stadium….I would like to see a university do a comprehensive research study on why the Broncos are unable to win in Kansas City…or Dallas when they were the Texans.
Hell, our first game in KC was a 59-7 drubbing back in the 60’s
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Probably has something to do with...
Its ALWAYS a November or December game. Schedule makers love sending Denver into KC in the winter for some reason. You’ll also notice SD rarely plays there late in the year. Or maybe my memory is shiv.
Well I feel as though I should donate somewhere in the $7-$9 range I am going to be optomistic and donate $17.
(I guess Ted see’s us losing in the first round of the playoffs…)
;)
If hope produced wins
The Broncos would go undefeated.Seriously 6-10 is the BEST Denver can hope for. First of all the schedule is brutal. Secondly, with key starters missing preseason and camp time, the easy part of the schedule(the first 3 games) will be a test. 3rd, Denver rarely sweeps KC and/or Oakland. 4th, this is the first year of the 3-4. As good as Nolan is, he needs better players up front to make this work. The 3-4 isn’t a quick fix like the Packers think, it takes a couple years to adapt.
The biggest problem for Denver is the run defense. Not just because last year’s(and the previous year, and the one before that) were bad, but because they lack the personnel to be effective. Playing the NFC East will not be fun with all the running they do, not to mention the other 3 AFC West teams.
moderated 7-9 comment
I apologize if my legitimate criticism of Susan G. Komen got my post removed, that being the case, I think writers might refrain from using ultimate moral authority in promoting their charities.
I apologize for you not reading the terms and conditions. This isn't a political forum
and the writers here weren’t triyng to peddle their ideology. There is a good mix of “conservatives” and “liberals”. Again, this is a Broncos fan website.
John or Ted weren’t demanding people support a political organization. All I saw was a statement of support for finding a cure for breast cancer. Just let it go please.
There really isn’t anything more to say about this.
btw, your 7-9 prediction is right around where I think we’ll end up.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
I contributed with my explanation towards someone who questioned his statement — sorry for that
A truth can only be expressed and enveloped in words if it is one-sided. Everything that is thought and expressed in words is one-sided, only half the truth; it all lacks totality, completeness, unity.
I don't know who said what and when...all I know is that all of the comments were removed. :)
Including my own…
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
Name Calling
If I remember your post Trogdoor, I flagged it as inappropriate. You engaged in name calling. I did not remove it.
The only person who deletes posts or comments is John
If he feels that something is inappropriate – and, in this case, inaccurate and utterly without foundation, medically speaking – he deletes it. Check in with him if you want to.
Hillis/Moreno in '09
strongbad e-mail
Yo Trogdoor. Looks like you got burninated this time. Guess you better get a new lappy eh?
Eagles
I’m predicting it here. There is no way the eagles go to the superbowl or even the playoffs.
This will be the year that Andy Reid gets canned. McNabb and Vick will be searching for a different team in 2010.
Excellent post, Ted. Rec'd.
I like your prediction of 11 wins. I have been getting somewhere around there. IMO our defense is going to win some games for us – unlike what we saw last year. I am going to assume the black hole at RB is gone.
When Kubiak/Casserly picked Mario Williams, I said “those guys know how to build a football team”. Remember the Dolts of old? They never saw a WR or RB they didn’t like? Their defense was porous as heck. The Texans had that lesson down. I think that they picked 2 OTs in that 06 draft as well, if I remember correctly? I think that the later pick turned out better?
Thanks for your efforts, Ted.
Ted, did you watch the Whoregon v BSU game last thursday?
Looks like Oregon is going to really suck this year, and oh yeah what were your thoughts on the whole Blount Force Tantrum :)
Go Broncs!
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Go M's
Ted for President!
Outstanding comments and agree with the majority of your thoughts.
I will say I hope they beat 8-8 this year, but with all the change I will be happy with 8-8.
If last years schedule played against this New and Improved Broncos team I would say 10 wins. However we need to remember we are not the only ones who have improved or adapted better to their players.
Turnovers, Turnovers, Turnovers…… “3 & out Baby” Thanks partially to Mike Clark!.
"3 and Out Baby" I ride the short bus!
The roster has been put together brilliantly
IS hyperbole really the best defense against this “MSM agenda against the Broncos”?
Also, Jay Cutler career int rate: .0303
Kyle Orton: .0295

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