Broncos, Brandon Marshall talking contract extension
by John Bena on Sep 9, 2009 3:27 PM MDT
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Perhaps a few days away were exactly what both sides needed. Brandon Marshall returned on Sunday from a team-induced exile. His attitude since returning has been "great" according to Head Coach Josh McDaniels.
Great indeed.
Adam Schefter is reporting that the Broncos and Marshall are in the process of working on a contract extension.
The potential new deal would put Marshall's salary more in line with some of the game's other highly-paid receivers.
Due to the fact he has been unable to get a long-term deal, Marshall has been clinging to the hopes that Denver would deal him. But now, in a new approach, the deal Denver might make is not for Marshall, but rather with Marshall.
The fact that they are even talking is an encouraging sign, sources said, and there is some optimism that a deal could be struck that could keep Marshall in Denver long term.
This is obviously a good sign for the team, and for Marshall. It also is a sign that the Broncos are willing to meet a player in the middle, IF that player is willing as well.
Let's hope the fruit of these talks gets Marshall a contract that will get him the money he's earned while protecting the Broncos from the inherent risks associated with Marshall.
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Good news,
I guess I can delelete my fanshot now. Same heading, lol. Hope this is true and works out for the best.
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by diviesti on Sep 9, 2009 3:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for getting this...
We are all doing it at the same time and show just how damn much we care about the team and the site!!! Never a bad thing!
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by John Bena on Sep 9, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A big +1 on that!
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by KaptainKirk on Sep 9, 2009 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw your post first and almost put it up on the front page, then sai
“I better check to see if John isn’t already all over this news.”
I guess this post answers my question.
I am glad to hear BMarsh and the Broncos are reconciling. I was ready to cut my losses, but truth be told, we are better with Marshall than without.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Sep 9, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhhhhh
I still don’t know about this. As much as I want him on our team, I want to make sure he can stay healthy and out of trouble before giving him the extension…
by Bustafluff on Sep 9, 2009 3:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm With You Bustafluff
I hope the extension, if true, is heavily incentive laden.
Incidentally, having a player under contract for more than one year makes a player more marketable. In other words, if he performs well this year then the team will have better bargaining position to trade him.
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough call on this one
Don’t think it’s gonna be incentive laden as should be. They probably will meet somewhere in the middle to “gain” Marsh’s trust back and get him onboard.
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
by diviesti on Sep 9, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
X-Man and McD will do what is right for the Broncos first, and then BM
JMO…Hope BM will continue to work with Smith…He (and the Broncos) can only benefit from that relationship
by BroncoSense72 on Sep 9, 2009 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rod got into Brandons head...
then got back to management on Marshal’s “new frame of mind”…then maybe this is all going to B good!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2009 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Healthy
Just speculating, BMarsh must have demonstrated that he is healthy or an extension would not be offered.
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Sep 9, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
if this deal goes through how many ESPN analysts who said that McDaniels was a moron because of this will admit their mistake?
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Sep 9, 2009 3:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Slim to none....
…..and slim doesn’t work for ESPN anymore. LOL
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by weazel on Sep 9, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
+1
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Sep 9, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Mr. Dukes attests to, weasel...
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 9, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Count that hack Clayton out
by TheMastermind on Sep 9, 2009 4:26 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You've got it all wrong
This is obviously McDaniels capitulating in the face of masterful trade negotiations on the part of the long suffering and woefully misunderstood Brandon Marshall.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 9, 2009 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
how many people here would? Half the regulars here have damned Marshall in ten different ways! Now see how they fall into lock step together! How perfect to turn it around on the anylists!! The ones who said McD needed to do something to fix this!!! It’s makes them RIGHT ALL ALONG, why would they admit being wrong? For calling him a moron? They didn’t actually …did they? (even tho they’re thinking it)
How many of you are going to change your tune now?!! If you do, how many will admit YOU"RE wrong? hypocrites.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough. Though I think a lot of people were angry from the implication that McDaniels was the root cause of the contract dispute, rather than the idea that he needed to fix it.
It is the case that my attitude towards Marshall has changed a little bit at the idea of him being willing to work out a way to get on the field for the Broncos. I am still of the opinion that he handled himself and his negogitaions incredibly poorly, and did not act like a professional at all. I would much rather these talks be contingent on 8 games of solid team first performance.
My hope is that McDaniels has agreed to talk about extension contracts primarily from Marshall and his agent realizing that the suspention and practice behavior on film put them in a no win situation, and that the Broncos’ existing offers started to look much better. I would like to think that Marshall is trying to see how much of the previous offer is still on the table, and that he is ready to deal.
I realize Marshall’s underlying self can not have changed during his suspention, but I still want this to be a start ( or re- re- re- re- re-start) of a better Brandon.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 9, 2009 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing
it’s a re-re-re-re-re start. Marshall always says the right things in the immediate aftermath of an event. But give him time, and he screws up again. His actions negate his words in many cases. We all hope this will be the last such event, and that our phenomenal receiver will have no more off-field problems or selfish antics. Sadly, I’ll believe it when I see it. I wish I could take it on faith, but that simply isn’t justified given Marshall’s track record. Here’s hoping I can say Marshall has turned a corner by the end of the season.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Sep 9, 2009 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A test of 'high character' lockeroom philosophy
Assuming that a roster is nearly all high character players who have bought-in to the team, the idea that a few players can get turned around through the example set by their teamates. Maybe it will work. Sounds good at least.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 9, 2009 11:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll know soon
Either Brandon is a decent fellow who was pressured by an agent and the whole WR “thing”, or he is putting on a brave face and remains a time bomb…but there is a funny thing about “putting on a brave face” – if you act right long enough, you start to BE right. This team, and its character, will be tested within the next two months. If that character (anchored by O, D, and coaching leaders) is sound, the Broncos will just get better this season; if it is unsound, then Brandon will be just one of a long list of problems.
I think he’s going to find out that being a rising star on a rising team with an innovative mind calling the plays, and an owner who is still at the table is the best place for him to be; that switch might have clicked already, or it might have to wait until week 3 – but when it does, I think we’ll know by the way he plays the game.
I give him the benefit of the doubt for now – let’s have some fun out there and put the other team in some deep, early holes.
"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace
by PositivIntegral on Sep 10, 2009 1:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends
Marshall dissing the organization deserves ire and consternation. However, if he comes back to the table respectfully then who wouldn’t want to give him a reward.
The details will be in the contract.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Sep 10, 2009 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!
BEST NEWS since shanny was fired. im pumped up!
by mcDah on Sep 9, 2009 3:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
sure thing there buddy.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
by Tim Lynch on Sep 9, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Problem with Extension
As long as it means 2 things:
1) Marshall is buying in and settling down.
2) We don’t give him too much money and will have enough to give Royal a new contract in 1-2 years.
by studbucket on Sep 9, 2009 3:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great to hear!
If BMarsh has a new contract he will definately be a beast for us on the field. This is excellent news.
People can use statistics to prove anything, 87% of all people know that.
by c_style on Sep 9, 2009 3:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
i do like marshall’s updated photo. doesn’t look like he’s going to stab you anymore
by lolcopter on Sep 9, 2009 3:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
that looks like a mugshot
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
by Darin H on Sep 9, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought it was
It isnt? ;)
by AllBroncsallday on Sep 9, 2009 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no kidding.
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by weazel on Sep 9, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beauty Parlor
Looks like he visited a beauty parlor to get his eyebrows shaped.
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah before he looked more like this
The commenter formerly known as "Dashiell".
by underdog on Sep 9, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
You can't deny
that his on field play has warranted the extension.
by Future Bronco DC on Sep 9, 2009 3:38 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Superb news
As long as the contract protects the team, this is great in my opinion.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
by sadaraine on Sep 9, 2009 3:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I just wonder...
If everything leading up to this was engineered by someone (McD, Marshall). It seems to me that just a couple of “great” days of attitude doesn’t automatically warrant a new and improved contract when one of the main reasons for not wanting to give him raise or another contract was that his off the field problems for the last few YEARS made him a risky long-term proposition. I’m sure we will never really know what the truth was behind this whole Marshall mess, if there ever really was one.
I would be glad to get this over with and get to the business of watching Bronco football.
by gcman on Sep 9, 2009 3:41 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I Bet
Marshall came to the bargaining table with unrealistic expectations and it has taken this long and a suspension to show him the team had all the leverage all along.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Sep 9, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
They had to show him they weren’t messing around, and pulling a “#6 Special” wouldn’t work twice in the same offseason.
by aLuffabo on Sep 9, 2009 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
A deal a week ago was at gunpoint, and would have meant the team will cave at the first tantrum. A deal next week is a fair compromise, with the team in the position of benefactor. Trust me as someone who deals with difficult youth: even if Marshall gets an eye-popping contract he will not have “won” the showdown, because of the way the front office played their hand.
We will never know the truth, but we can take comfort in the outcome, which if Marshall comes on the field to play Sunday, has to go down as a major success in the young coach’s tenure.
"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace
by PositivIntegral on Sep 10, 2009 1:34 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, his ultimate goal was to get traded and that didn’t happen. We wanted him on the field and playing happy the whole time, that was our goal. His actions point toward that happening.
The front office stood firm, suspended him when they needed to, and he got the message. Now, the contract is on the Broncos’ terms, not his.
by aLuffabo on Sep 10, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The proverbial two by four
They got his attention. Now they’re ready to talk turkey.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Sep 9, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Perfect analogy.
"Life is a daring adventure or nothing" - Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace
by PositivIntegral on Sep 10, 2009 1:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told everyone it was a ruse.
It’s been planned all along. Why do you think every photo of Marshall and McDaniels talking there all smiles and laughing. Now there going to come out the gates firing on all cylinders.
Well… at least it’s a theory. ;)
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Sep 9, 2009 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I was one of the folks shouting for them to keep him on the bench if he didn’t want to play, and not give him a new contract even if he did decide to show up… I’m starting to come around on this idea. If, and only if, the contract is laden with clauses that protect the team:
I know next to nothing about contracts, but what do you guys think?
1. I see no problem paying him north of $6 Million per year, but less than $8.
2. Clause for any arrest or any action resulting in suspension forfeits signing bonus and large portions of the contract.
3. Injury clause? Is that legal/possible/likely?
As EndZone said above, this strengthens our bargaining position at the end of the season if BM doesn’t want to stick around long-term.
by aLuffabo on Sep 9, 2009 3:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm along for the ride
If McXanders know what they’re doing things will work out in the long run, even if there are temporary setbacks. If they don’t we’ll eventually start over with new leadership. Meanwhile, analyses are a way of understanding, hopefully with admiration, what they’re doing.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Sep 9, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 is against the CBA despite what Jamie Dukes thinks
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
by Darin H on Sep 9, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breach of Contract
DarinH, it would be covered under the breach of contract clause(s) of the CBA.
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
as long as he doesn’t make more money than you, right?
"Remember, it's only a game."
by robswenson on Sep 9, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news to hear.
I mentioned that if a suspension doesn’t wake you up then nothing will. Looks like Marshall came back with a different attitude on things. I hope they both agree on whatever the terms are and that the Broncos put some kind of clause in there regarding off the field issues.
PLEASE….PLEASE….PLEASE….Let this work out.
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by weazel on Sep 9, 2009 3:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
This is Awesome!
But like everyone else I’m with the team. As long as the team is protected then it works. Personally I’m over Brandon until he proves he loves his team. The “I hate this city” comment doesn’t sit well with me.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
Vince Lombardi
by Denver_Native on Sep 9, 2009 3:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
that wasn't the only comment he made...
If you remember back a couple of years ago when we lost to the Chargers here…in extremely bad fashion…Marshall called out Denver’s fans as being poor. Apparently even in a 41-3 loss at home when not one Bronco showed up to play…we as fans need to stay until the bitter end. I for one couldn’t stomach any more of it after 3 1/2 quarters and left with 80% of the fans in the stadium. To remember what he said…go here:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=271007007
Needless to say, I don’t have much respect for Marshall as a person or a professional. He is a very good player and I will root for him to do well for the Broncos, but he is the last person I would like representing my team. Just my opinion.
by gcman on Sep 9, 2009 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Don’t boo us when we’re down,” he [Marshall] pleaded. “That’s bandwagon. … I love you all to death, but at the same time, that’s not first class.”
…he has a point
by lolcopter on Sep 9, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll have to agree to disagree...
contrast what he said to what Brandon Stokely said…much more professional…""I don’t blame them at all," Stokley said. “I wouldn’t have stayed around to watch that.”
Booing, in my opinion, when deserved, is one of the few things that fans can do to show their displeasure. The other of course is not go/watch games…but then, they wouldn’t really be a fan would they?
And I did go to the next game with all required enthusiasm.
by gcman on Sep 9, 2009 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
The team threw in the towel. Not reasonable to expect the fans to do less. Brandon doesn’t handle frustration well and lacks impulse control. Maybe he needs tough love. Maybe that’s what he’s getting now. The other Brandon is cool and I hope the man-child learns from him.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Sep 9, 2009 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can throw batteries...
But I’d like to think we’re a classier bunch than out in Jokeland.
by TheMastermind on Sep 9, 2009 4:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we don't even throw snowballs at a drunken Santa
No wonder they don’t think we’re good fans….
Hillis/Moreno in '09
by Emmett Smith on Sep 9, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Why stick around to freeze your butt off, to watch that? That really rubbed me the wrong way too, but I guess I’ve gotten over it since I hadn’t thought about it until you brought it up.
Hopefully Brandon’s figuring some things out, finally. <>
by AllBroncsallday on Sep 9, 2009 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fans spend plenty of money purchasing the right to boo.
They don’t WANT to hate on their team. Any boos a team receives, it earns.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Sep 9, 2009 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
very big of you to say copter
rarely do I see a point conceded here.
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They day I met him he showed nothing but class...
It was at fan fair and instead of packing up and leaving right at five he stayed twenty minutes later to make sure that everyone in line got a picture. Even the professional photographer packed up and left but BMarsh was still there smiling for every picture. The securtiy guards were rushing people but he wasn’t at all. Not a huge deal but he clearly could have left right at five they even told people in the back of the line they may not get a picture cause he was leaving at five. I am not saying he is a saint he has made many mistakes but I respect that he does care about the fans. I will agree calling out your own fans not the best or smartest thing to do but I can understand the frustration. We have all said things that we shouldn’t have when frustrated the difference is his lives on forever on the internet.
by FlaBRONCO on Sep 9, 2009 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give him that...
…and I will try not to be so hasty to write him off completely, but in my eyes he still has a lot of work to do to prove himself to be a classy guy. I think it’s very easy to be classy when all is going well (and i would consider an event that basically shoves glory and fame in each players face to be easy to show class). The true test of class and grace comes when things are not going well…as in these last few months. Not that I know for sure, but I imagine there are now times when people who meet Randy Moss say he is all class. Does that override his actions while he was with the Raiders…or towards the end of his time with the Vikings? I don’t know. I’m sure we will get a much more happy and classy Marshall now that he will have his money.
by gcman on Sep 9, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, nice story.
I have gotten autographs from athletes that kept signing when they needed to be somewhere else at the moment and it is really good to see that.
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by weazel on Sep 9, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, that comment was when he got pulled over for DUI or DWI...`
I would/have said the same thing when the po-po finally catches up to you.
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Sep 9, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wanna see him run some fellas over Sun!
"Kool-Aid Kool Aid, Tastes Great, We Want Kool Aid, Can't Wait"
by littletinybroncos on Sep 9, 2009 3:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good news
I just hope he will stay out of trouble.
"Really, I'm a high-motor guy. Tough, hard-nosed, a hard runner, can make you miss at times. And just competitive. I love to play the game and I bring that energy to my team. So, we'll see how that goes." - Knowshon Moreno
Knowshon Moreno=ROY
by stedtfeld on Sep 9, 2009 3:56 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Given McDaniels' Track Record
if he says Marshall’s attitude is “great,” then I take back my call to trade him. Welcome back, now shut up, do not stay out late, find a girlfriend who is not crazy, meet with Rod Smith daily, and play some great football. Glad the drama is ending if nothing else.
by phondonkey on Sep 9, 2009 4:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything
except I think he needs to stay away from having a relationship with a woman for now. Focus on football and staying in line right now.
Week 1: @ Bengals
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2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Sep 9, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Engaged
BMarsh is engaged. To a different woman than Rasheeda but BMarsh still got in a shouting match with the new gal Michi Nogami. Tough one there.
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough one indeed.
For the millionth time, I hope he gets it…….for his sake at least.
Week 1: @ Bengals
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2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
by weazel on Sep 9, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, but not a boxing match
Which maybe shows improved conflict resolution?
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 9, 2009 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing this is happening.
Now I don’t have to dump off my authentic that I just bought last year. :D
"FLAG! Fail on the field. Re-do." -Disco_Stu
by Joe Medina on Sep 9, 2009 4:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
i had plans
to pick up a white authentic this entire offseason. Obvoiusly that was on hold for a bit but now i think its time to put in the order!
by 3rdegree on Sep 9, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I have to fear
the teams with Brandon Marshall in FFL…at least I have Eddie in one league.
by Trogdoor on Sep 9, 2009 4:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
my draft is tonight. i’m avoiding all players from the afc west so as not to have a conflict of interest…
by lolcopter on Sep 9, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have Greg Olsen
Tell me about conflict of interest
"Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for to many men on the field?" - Jim Bouton
by diviesti on Sep 9, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m thinking about picking up olsen also, but only if witten is off the board already
by lolcopter on Sep 9, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
I also picked up Hester. Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikes.
by AllBroncsallday on Sep 9, 2009 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I look like a fantasy football genius...
snagged BMarsh in the 13th round…
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Sep 9, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
As per Bronco policy
details of the contract are being kept private. Don’t think we will know for a while what it is going to entail.
by papasteven on Sep 9, 2009 4:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Let us hope that the contract is in-line with
Top-20 WRs and not Larry Fitzgerald-esque, heck, even Roddy White-esque.
Marshall surely does deserve a raise, but overpaying him could be even more detrimental in the long term. We still have to pay the better WR; Eddie Royal and the best LT; Clady. I for one hope that Marshalls contract is in the $25-30 million range. Because quite honestly, he has not proven to be worth more.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Sep 9, 2009 4:09 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW >>>WOW
ALL I CAN SAY IS WOW…what a turn of events. Do you think Rod Smith got in his head????
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
by Broncobh on Sep 9, 2009 4:10 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think a two-week suspension
coupled with a willingness to let bygones be bygones got in his head. But keeping company with Rod Smith can’t hurt.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Sep 9, 2009 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should write Rod Smith into his new contract...
A phone call with Rod on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
A dinner with Rod on Saturday Nights…
And workouts with Rod at least twice a week.
Sounds about right.
"So tell me what happened."
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by HillisRanUover on Sep 9, 2009 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like a dating relationship...
not sure that Rod would be into that. :-)
by gcman on Sep 9, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just pay Rod 1M contract to teach ALL the guys what it means to be a Bronco!!!
by BroncoSense72 on Sep 9, 2009 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
no joke
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by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2009 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2009 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man........
if we keep him i will have to restart my Madden Franshise mode again! The pain! the agony!
But seriously, if he gets his crap together I will be glad to have him, if he continues to be a moron, then……
"No matter how far a Jackass travels it will never come back a horse"
by SpaceCowboyInLG on Sep 9, 2009 4:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like his time spendt
with Rod Smith may have helped his attitude. I love the way the man plays and want to see him succeed as a Bronco.
by bchiper on Sep 9, 2009 4:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yay
Also, I like your understatement, Guru. “This is obviously a good sign for the team, and for Marshall.” ;-)
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by underdog on Sep 9, 2009 4:13 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe both sides realized they are better together
There is no denying that we are a better offense with him on the field and if we go ahead and pay him he is not focused on getting stats and can focus on helping the Broncos win. Obviously he realized the public perception of him has hurt his trade value and his best chance for a big payday is with the Broncos right now. So during his vacation he mastered the playbook and came ready to work and ready to rebuild his rep. with McD. I think doing this now makes this season much better for all involved.
by FlaBRONCO on Sep 9, 2009 4:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
My understanding
is he didn’t have a playbook during his vacation. I thought it was said that he had ti turn it in.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Sep 9, 2009 4:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
Asking for his playbook sends a much stronger message. ’we’re not sure the team is going to let you come back’
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 9, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
you r right about the playbook spock
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2009 5:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the odds......
Of Denver finishing 1st in the West have changed in vegas now?
Brandon Marshall, like him or not, is a big part of a sucessful year for us. I hope he can stay healthy and keep that nose clean. They should give him a 3 year deal for like 24 million, 10 mil guarantee.
by _Atwater27 on Sep 9, 2009 4:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good news.
I’d still like to have the middle ground they meet at be bye week to make sure he’s bought in and healthy. I totally understand him wanting the contract before games though. The quick attitude turn around is hard to trust, but seeing how the coaches were able to change Jarvis Moss’s attitude from ‘no more for me thanks’ to working hard and making the 53 man roster, maybe they (and Mr Smith) were able to work their magic on Marshall to.
Here’s hoping he’s got another great year, but with more TD catches.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 9, 2009 4:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
Your point about Moss coming around is very good.
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Moss story (little as a really know about it) speaks volumes for the defensive coaches. Not only getting him over his self-doubt but to start to realize his potential? Awesome!
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 9, 2009 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t see it as an attitude change for Moss…more of an introspection. But in the end, I’m with you in giving credit to the coaching staff on whatever it was. The easy opinion would be to say Moss didn’t have the drive or desire, so cut him. Instead, the coaches understood the conflict, gave him some time to think it through, then gave him the opportunity to prove himself. Now he’s on the team…kudos to the coaches AND to Moss.
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by Disco_Stu on Sep 9, 2009 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally some GOOD news
Funny how everyone is worried about incentives and the club protecting himself. THEY’re the ones writing his checks, not us. I am sure, based on the no BS attitude we’ve seen from McXanders so far they will make sure they take care of business. I just want that kid on the field and this mess over with. We need him and I want to have the Smack Talk upper hand on Raider Fan again. LOL
by TheMastermind on Sep 9, 2009 4:30 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
What?
BS attitude we’ve seen from McXanders
What are you talking about????
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the full quote is
the no BS attitude we’ve seen from McXanders so far
TheMastermind was onboard
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by Disco_Stu on Sep 9, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhh, yeah, my bad. Wish I could delete some of my bonehead posts!
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, it happens…we’ve all skimmed and misread at some point. :o)
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by Disco_Stu on Sep 9, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said NO BS
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Sep 9, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few points...
I have kept the position that we needed to keep Marshall and play him. Even after his fit, I called him an idiot, but I wanted him on the team. He commands attention from opposing teams. This frees up Royal and Co. to do what they do best.
That being said I’m not totally for this move. It doesn’t make any sense right now. If you had concerns before the suspension what has made those concerns disappear? Were there ever concerns? Did McD offer him an extension already and Marshall didn’t accept? Either way there are major concerns here, health, maturity, attitude, effort. These didn’t just disappear in 9 days. I think a reasonable deal would be 4 years 22 million, with heavy behavioral clauses.
Do his team-mates even want him on the team? Does this extension create locker-room issues?
I was of the wait and see approach and I would have liked to see this happen in the 6th to 8th week of the season depending on performances and attitude.
My last point (excuse the longwindedness) something about this seems very fishy to me. It overall just doesn’t add up.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 4:34 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, T.Dot..
And what happened to those “trust issues” that he was talking about. Agreed, there is something very fishy here. My poop detector is wailing at full volume.
" Life is what happens while you're making other plans "
by hairybear on Sep 9, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't say I disagree
The wild conspiracy theorist side of me thinks the whole Marshall saga from this offseason was ploy by Marshall and McDaniels, kinda like all the reports of Moss not working out in his first camp with New England.
I know, I know…the majority of my brain is laughing at the conspiracy part of my brain. But what if…
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by Disco_Stu on Sep 9, 2009 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the Broncos' concerns or stance have changed
But we already know they offered him something before anyway. I suspect he’s just coming to realize that what they offered him was more reasonable than he originally gave it credit for.
Perhaps he’s thought a little harder about it after talking with Rod Smith.
by ShawnDenver on Sep 9, 2009 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one is tough
Because we’re looking from outside through a really cloudy window. That said…
Assuming Marshall showed up to play (which I didn’t really expect), I certainly had a concern that Marshall won’t get nearly the stats in this offense that he’s had. So, even if he started off “on the team”, how soon would it be before he gets “frustrated” with not getting the ball enough – i.e. not building the resume he can cash in with?
Perhaps this is something to forestall that. Pay him this year based on the last couple, with the incentives in there if he stays clean. Assuming he’s healthy, he’s no less valuable on the field than before. If this offense is working, though, I don’t expect the same big stats from him. Well, unless we score 600 points or something!
by MakeCents on Sep 9, 2009 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
fishy? & a mistake.
I only wish we would have paid him before the tantrums, it makes Josh look weak that he’s given in twice now. (Too bad Cut didn’t stay after Josh caved)
One of the few things I’ve liked about Josh is the attempt to run the NE style TEAM attitude down our throats! We all wish for that. We’re all tired of the BS rich athlete attitudes! We’re all tired of the off the field issues. Sadly it doesn’t happen over night and we’re still just like every other team …with our share of all the things we’re all sick of. I won’t say Josh has utterly failed at this yet but certainly we can all stop talking about his success in this noble endeavor!
Rookie coach. Rookie mistakes. As much as I want BM on our team, I think if McD was going to take the hard line with BM …he should have stuck with it. …as opposed to giving in to the spoiled brat side of BM after only a few days of any behavior change.
really? Everything’s all peaches now? Really?
by Whidbey Bronco on Sep 9, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but
Do we know for certain that the choice to offer a contract extension was made by McDaniels?
Could this be something that originated with Bowlen, Ellis or Xanders & McDaniels was overruled on it?
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by BShrout on Sep 9, 2009 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or could be something that was already on the table that Marshall and agent originally ignored. It may be that post suspention and practice video, the offer started to look much better and they are trying to see if the offer still stands.
Don’t know if previous offere was made, but I thought that Marshall said his actions at practice were in frustration with negotiations with the team.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Sep 9, 2009 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my understanding too
Don’t know why Marshall returning to the negotiating table after being insubordinate and getting suspended is seen as a victory for him and weakness by the Broncos. If my dad spanked me for spurning my peas and I then went back to the table and ate them does that mean I won? Neener, neener, neener. You made me eat my peas and I did it. Guess I showed you.
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by spock on Sep 12, 2009 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Usual Suspect(s)
Contract negotiations are typically handled by the GM (Xanders) with approval of the owner (Bowlen) and CEO (Ellis). The Shanahan model of doing all of the above is an anomoly. While McD would of course have input, the primary negotiating is most likely between Xanders and BMarsh’s agent.
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's wait
and see the terms of the contract before you start considering Josh or Xanders success or failure. Remember pre-incident the talk was that BM would get somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-10m a year + a pretty hefty signing bonus. If they get him signed for less as a result of utilizing the leverage they have acquired then your comments are premature and expose your true feelings about the coach. If they sign him within the original projections then you will be proven correct and can claim your high ground. It’s important to remember that in addition to being a great game it’s still a business…
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Sep 9, 2009 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels
gets slammed for not negotiating and running players out of town, then he gets slammed for negotiating with crybabies. He can’t be both “resonably willing to compromise” and “weak” simultaneously. Choose a side. Paying a guy who is inclined to have tantrums in the first place is ridiculous.
The bottom line is no one here STILL knows the whole story, because no one has the inside track like the coach and the players who are actually involved in these situations. So to presume that one knows more about what is really going on than the coach is arrogant and misinformed. Let the guy do his job. He is the only one currently qualified to make these decisions. And THAT is under the assumption that McDaniels has anything to do with this anyway. Isn’t the new front office handling all this contract stuff? Everything I have read indicates McDaniels coaches them up when they’re on the field. Beyond that, the front office takes care of negotiations, etc. I just fail to see how Brandon Marshall’s contract situation constantly becomes a referendum on McDaniels’ coaching skills. It’s asinine.
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by HarvJNep2n on Sep 9, 2009 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes, but...
I’m kidding, Harv. Of course you’re right. It’s gotten ridiculous.
I’m interested in the number of times I still hear “McDaniels shouldn’t have traded Cutler”. McDaniels didn’t make that decision. Pat B did. Pat refused to tolerate the refusal to return his call and ordered McD to trade him. Still, peolpe almost daily decry McD for that decision. The facts don’t seem that important.
A lot of folks are just generally angry. Some just like to try to irritate others and go to other blogs to brag about it. You can’t win with them and it’s best to not try. That doesn’t man that there are no reasons to dislike the coach, just that it’s sensible to make sure that yours are actually based on fact.
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by Emmett Smith on Sep 10, 2009 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Contract
Will say if it was a cave or not. However, if it is less than Roddy White or has protections for the team it isn’t a cave.
Tis better not to throw it to the deep receiver but the open receiver.
by Kfustud on Sep 10, 2009 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extension a new development?
Apologies if someone else posted this, but didn’t Marshall say that the reason for his “antics” was due to his frustration with the Broncos latest extension proposal. So, the fact that they are talking extension may not be new news.
Keep Moving Forward.
by ColoradoOwl on Sep 9, 2009 4:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The fact that they are talking
is a good sign. Maybe with the suspension and the recent extension proposal both sides might be able to talk peacefully and get something worked out that they both agree with. Time off sometimes can do a person some good.
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by weazel on Sep 9, 2009 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
More positive spin
Certainly Schefter’s report is the most positive news about the situation in a while.
Keep Moving Forward.
by ColoradoOwl on Sep 9, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
BMarsh has the maturity level of a candlestick but...
if he can negotiate a new contract that will appease him and keep the Broncos out of salary-cap trouble then McDaniels will have redeemed himself to some extent and maybe, just maybe the Broncos will be able to restore a little credibility to the organization…
by Brooks1 on Sep 9, 2009 5:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
huh?
I didn’t think that Here at MHR that our Broncos had lost their credibility.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Sep 9, 2009 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, Credibility may not have been the correct word here...
I guess I should have said that McD can restore some R-E-S-P-E-C-T to the organization if he can resolve this BMarsh fiasco without further incident. Just frustrated with all the drama associated with this team. Just play the game…
by Brooks1 on Sep 12, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only one
who lost any credibility was Brandon Marshall, not the Broncos organization
by papasteven on Sep 9, 2009 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This makes me happy!
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Sep 9, 2009 6:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm....
Brandon reminds me of the that girl (or boy for the ladies) who says they’ve changed their ways only to break your heart again. I’m going to focus on the positive (i.e., Brandon giving opposing teams headaches), but the reality is this, people DO NOT change overnight (sorry, they don’t…or at least rarely do). The fact is, someone like Brandon has to show me more than a week back in practice. Seriously, whoop-dee-doo, Brandon, you’re practicing hard and with a good attitude now. Sure would’ve been nice if you did that earlier… I still think we have an immature player who needs to be held on a short leash.
That being said, go get em Brandon et al. Take all your crazy ass frustrations out on the Bungels this Sunday.
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by bcfunk on Sep 9, 2009 7:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Great conclusion, Funk
Seriously; nothing like an endzone stroll in hostile territory to clean out the cobwebs.
Excellent tagline by the way; Hanlon’s Razor…ha!
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by PositivIntegral on Sep 10, 2009 1:50 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably somebody has already said this, but DP is now reporting that the Big Baby contract negotiations have been placed on hold to see how Marshall plays.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Sep 9, 2009 8:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
the DP is reporting on a contract offer
that was made prior to Marshall’s suspension.
Schefter’s article suggests that a new offer has been made.
DP is once again not bothering to check their facts.
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by BShrout on Sep 9, 2009 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether Old Or New
I hope the proposed extension is contingent on how he plays. (e.g. incentive laden)
I predict that BMarsh will accept, and he should, a reasonable extension.
by Endzone on Sep 9, 2009 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so, so that we can put all this behind us
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Pray for the best, prepare for the worst, and know you will come down somewhere between the two.
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by BShrout on Sep 9, 2009 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the smart thing to do...
Re-opening contract talks with Brandon Marshall is the smart thing for the Broncos front office to do.
The Broncos already hold a strong negotiating position over his contract and the last two weeks should have clearly demonstrated two things to Marshall and his agent.
1. Marshall seriously over-estimated his trade value and nothing kills trade value like disciplinary action and a slew of attitutude, health, and legal issues – pro bowler or not.
2. 31 other NFL teams were unwilling to (a) meet the Broncos asking price and (b) risk blowing up their locker rooms by rewarding a guy with a reputation for disruption.
Extending the olive leaf of contract talks also allows the Broncos to test how a newly contrite and incentivized Marshall performs without them committing to anything beyond negotiations. If Marshall manages to (a) stay healthy (b) productive and © out of trouble then look out this December for McDaniels and Marshall to be hugging and kissing for the cameras as a lucrative new contract extension is announced. If Marshall can’t keep up his end of the deal, opening negotiations has cost the Broncos nothing extra and given them more time to line up options for Marshall.
Bottom line – regardless of what the “MSM echo chamber” (TM Ted Bartlett) says, the Broncos have been given an industrial scale upgrade and will become a winning team under McDaniels and it’s time for Marshall to play a full part in it.
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by orangecrush22 on Sep 10, 2009 5:13 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
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