Tight end Tony Scheffler also has been told he will not dress Sunday against the Chiefs, in his case because of his attitude.
about 2 years ago
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This stuff is sooo confusing...
I wish I had something useful to do rather than be online and read every comment on this… just makes me feel bad anyway…
What a crappy start of 2010
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
My guess
Gaffney, Hochstein, Jordan….
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
this was supposed to be a reply to Todd, albeit a sad attempt at humor...
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
lol, I laughed
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
hahahahha, thanks
I’m grasping at straws this morning….
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Ummm... Helllooooo...... what about Clady? LOL
as I cry.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jan 1, 2010 4:40 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, now, it's not quite the off season yet, but looks like things are already off to a
bangin’ start!!!!
Let’s roll with the guys who want to be around.
Don’t count Eddie out, my friends. He is still a good receiver
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
Actually I think the wrting-on-the-wall for Sheff was there when shanny left.
McD has never been involved with a scheme where the TE (with limited blocking skills) was a main receiver, Shanny had several years to figure out to use Shannon Sharpe.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Agreed Mike
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
I'm with ya Dude...
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Jan 1, 2010 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken, Scheffler has had a "controlled" attitude ever since the cutler decisions were made...
-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
I'll bet his complaint was not being used more in the passing game
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
and Josh doesn't know how to use him
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Josh coaches a short passing game
but in reality it’s main theme is old school smash mouth football on offense and defense. How to use him might not be it as much as there is no way to use him most of the time in this scheme. I like Tony but Broncosense is right, Tony has been on watch since the Cutler fiasco.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
now lets just say we make the playoffs.....
wonder if they are still going to be bench for not going balls out for the last game of the year
that's a fair question
Dear Rockies-Thank you for a wonderful rollercoaster season! Best turnaround in MLB history to become NL Wild Card Champs.
Garrett Atkins-So Long, Farewell, Auf weidersehen, Goodbye!! You were a great Rockie! GOOD LUCK!
Troy Tulowitzki-MLB's BEST shortstop..nuff said
Yorvit Torrealba- Re-sign!! he's en Fuego!!
Brad Hawpe- I hope I get to see you in a Rockies uniform again!
Dexter Fowler - prowling CF, WC in his talons, leaping Utleys in a single bound!
awww for major F's sake....
DAMNIT!!~!!!!
they sure are trying their best to top last season’s epic collapse aren’t they?
UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by RockyMountainHigh on Jan 1, 2010 12:50 PM MST reply actions
its for the best
Unless the team reigns in players with bad attitudes, we will just have epic collapse after epic collapse.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Jan 1, 2010 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Dallas Cowboys?
mmmhhhhmmmmm
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
Siiiigh
Siiigh, it wouldn’t be new year’s without some bad dysfunction happening to my Broncos. At least no one’s been shot or fired this time! {bright side?}
Oh well, happy birthday to me! :-/
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Psh...who cares about Scheffler?
I’ve had the feeling all year that he’s just a straggler that missed his first bus out of town months ago.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
by Joe Medina on Jan 1, 2010 1:13 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Yup...You are correct sir!
-Richee
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Jan 1, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
Starting to feel the same
way about him. Graham has contributed a more all around game this season without the attitude. And Quinn seems like he will be good in the future, in a Graham kind of way.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Why do some people
have such strong emotional ties to players who have won NOTHING as Broncos? Yes, the 2006 Draft Class is/was loaded with talent. How many times have they reached the playoffs? How many playoff games have they won?
Maybe it’s not just about talent. We can talk all we want about how great that 2006 Class was, but talent only brings you so far in the NFL (or any other sport, for that matter). The only guy from that group I want to see return at this point is Elvis Dumervil.
formerly known around these parts as nycbroncosfan
+1 lol
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Why do some people
have such strong emotional ties to coaches who have won NOTHING as Broncos?
… or does that go against common sense?
It's not an "emotional" tie
McDaniels has a three year contract to get the team where he wants it to be. There is going to be turnover and those guys getting phased out are not happy about it. Are we supposed to get a new head coach every time a popular player is unhappy with the current head coach and his direction? I’m willing to support this head coach until the end of that three year rebuilding period and then take a look back at what he has accomplished or failed to accomplish. I don’t have emotional ties to any particular player or the coach. I do have an emotional tie to the team I’ve followed for decades and want to see them succeed. Having a revolving door with the HC position isn’t going to accomplish that goal.
Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.
by MrFNSunshine on Jan 1, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
ask the raiders
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
didn't say i wanted a new coach.
what i am saying is that for the constant umbrage over player problems and emotional ties to players, there’s nothing asked about mcdaniels’ part in it. so, what, he’s new and therefore gets a free pass? folks, he makes mistakes too. maybe one (or more) of these player problems is at least partly on him. at least i think that’s a question that should at least be posited for discussion.
good question.
and i dont think it is a mistake.
"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.
by Jay Fin Anderson on Jan 1, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
Actually, it's a 4 year deal
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
I stand corrected. Could have sworn it was three.
Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.
by MrFNSunshine on Jan 2, 2010 12:26 AM MST up reply actions
ummm...like maybe look at this season and last season?
dont mean to point to another post…and it is way not cool cuz its mine….so…sorry if im being bad
but……….weve played better against better opponents with a team that jedi and dr x had to tear down and start to rebuild and picked lots of quality attitude guys
so….jedi might get us into the playoffs this year…and Mike S wasnt very lucky at without big john
MHR...and proud of it!
by MHRsGirl on Jan 1, 2010 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
re: tough (rhetorical) question on why we lionize them
It’s a big subject and way too big for me, but it seems clear that players are symbolic of what we’d ‘like to see’ and attitudes towards them become resistant to refutation because of the irrational way we attach our hopes to them.
I realize you weren’t asking a real question, Douglas, but it’s such an interesting subject.
A digression — I’ve often wondered about the escapist mentality that existed during the depression (as seen in Busby Berkely musicals) and in the late 19th century U.S. People cling to certain dreamlike beliefs at these times even though it might seem logical to abandon faith in certain enterprises. Late 19th workers suffered horrific conditions but continued in their belief that hard work would pay off. Their faith (not religious, but that’s all you can call it) became strengthened despite evidence that they were engaging in a failed enterprise.
Certain dynamics lend themselves to these kinds of irrational attachments. The stretch from late 2005 to late 2008 for the Broncos was conducive to a ‘I want to believe’ mentality, which isn’t really surprising if you look at how long the “only one more player” will take us to the SB belief persisted. Our hopes were vested in the 2006 draft class (and 2008’s, too) and anyone who questioned their value was the “killer of the dream” (Hugh Dalziel Duncan). What’s odd about attitudes during these instances is that people become more enamored of the dream when evidence accumulates that it’s a failed enterprise rather than less.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Jan 1, 2010 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 7 recs
Colinski
You are an interesting creature, dude. I rather enjoyed this digression.
I find this digression consistent with many things that the populations drinks like Kool-Aid.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
I think Colinski
Is a Philosophy Professor. =)
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
re: the Kool-aid
The Kool-aid was clearly being drunken before McDaniels arrived, and that’s what confuses people. McDaniels and the 09 draft class were subject to a far different standard than Shanahan and his drafts, and the criticism of those who are more supportive of the team as Kool-aid drinkers in exactly backward. We’re in the post-Koolaid era and neither McDaniels nor the current draft class has been given the exemptions that Shanny and the 2006 & 08 draft classes enjoyed.
It’s hard not to notice that the 08 draft was treated very differently than the 09 crop was. For example, the signing of Law was interpreted as a knock against Smith instead of against Williams, the player who was cut.
Reactionary opposition to McDaniels and the 09 class are new developments. Few people would have dared to criticize back then in the way that they do now. Defamatory comments against McDaniels are now made routinely without any pretense of having evidence to support these claims.
I’ve treated this general subject lately under the umbrella term of motivated cognitions, and I also talk about the area of cognitive heuristics and biases. Current attitudes are partly negativism that’s enabled by the Internet and partly a change brought on by the firing of Shanny & Cutlergate.
There’s an Orwellian flavor to much of the criticism since the charge of bias is used prophylactically by posters who, in most cases, are uniformly against anything that McDaniels does. I’m reminded of the hedgehog bias (from Tetlock) or the All-roads-lead-to-Rome argument. The conclusion is that McDaniels is some kind of nefarious character and every single piece of evidence somehow leads to this and only this conclusion.
no goats, no glory.
Colinski, I find fascinating that sports' fans tend to mythologize both the past and potential
with respect to players and teams. I wouldn’t know the official term for these biases, but I would guess they would be like an impact bias or historical/confirmation bias
By this I mean, we tend to magnify previous accomplishments in ways that perhaps are not realistic. For example, John Elway’s career takes on mammoth proportions now that he’s been retired for awhile. You would swear the guy never threw an interception and that Dan Reeves was the stupidest coach who ever came to Denver.
At the same time, we tend to project all of our hopes into players with “potential.” This is specifically true with respect to the “gunslinger” QB or the guy who has all the “physical tools.”
With respect to this latest situation, we have both working at the same time. The previous biases won’t allow for a fair assessment of the current context, and the the impact bias that we project into these draft picks (which are party influenced by our previous biases for Shanny) does not allow us to fairly assess the current draft class.
Of course we are all human, but that doesn’t mean it’s any less interesting. The NFL marketing people know this, and therefore, market the hell out of the draft. And our impact biases lead us to believe that Mr. Cutler Mr. Think-Like-A-Champion were really only one free agent away.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
comment on mythological pasts
Good pick up. The past is hardly the fixed event that people imagine it to be.
I have to be careful here not to get into a political discussion here, but mythologizing the past is common amongst people who criticize their political opponents for not adopting a sober view towards current and future events. Romanticizing the past is quite common for one political persuasion while the other could be accused of romanticizing the future.
The most obvious example of romanticizing the past is the “Old West.” What does it say about our psychology when post-Civil war guerrillas are lionized, such as members of Quantrill’s raiders? And the lynchings and continued resistance in the south and genocide against American Indians in the west hardly seem like events that mark an era we’d romanticize. It would be easy to understand if there was a desire to erase guilt over the events of that era but the fascination with that period began immediately upon its conclusion and repeatedly depicted that time in glowing terms.
Oddly, most cowboys were black and many were hispanic, but that fact is almost never portrayed in the narrative of those times.
no goats, no glory.
Colinski, I could read your stuff all day, man. Please post more of it.
Given that we took about half of Mexico in the Mexican-American war, which now includes Nevada, NM, Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Texas, California, some of Wyoming, etc. I would tend to believe your last statement.
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
most cowboys were black?
man, I want to see an old west movie that takes that into account. are there any?
people romantasize the past
Awww, life was never sweeter (begin old story) awww those were the days. But people gloss over the negatives that may have happened during those good ol days because most of the feared events or fearful emotions of those current times never came to be realized.
Dan Reeves wasted offensive opportunities. Shannahan wiped all those memories away. When you think of Elway, do you think of him hoisting the trophy or lying on his back from another sack?
I would love to hear Colinski write about the psychology of fans and analysis. When I turned on NFL network to see the Marsh reaction, low and behold all the player “analysis” skewed towards the player perspective. It would also be interesting to see people’s bias in regards to their job position. I.E. employees tend to be critical of bosses (epsecially when their real life one sucks) where as business owners tend to be sensitive to outrage against an owner or coach. Just a thought.
I'm glad we had this talk.
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by BroncoInExile on Jan 2, 2010 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
Good Stuff BIE
"But I hate the way our identity has changed..Kyle Orton might not be the flashiest quarterback, but the guy is a winner, and that formula worked for us. I hate to say it, but that’s the truth." --Brian Urlacher
That is true (for me anyway)
I’ve been a Kool-Aid drinker since Day 1 of my fandom. That’s just how I roll. I am not being unrealistic, just optimistic. I generally see the writing on the wall and keep an open view on where we will end up each season. Simply meaning, “13-3 and Super Bowl bound” is the rallying cry, but 8-10 wins was the expectation this year. Otherwise, it would be delusional and deeply disappointing, especially the last 3 years.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Wow, great take
Very interesting.
Can we have a bit of perspective here?
20 weeks ago, Dever was definitely not a Super Bowl team, and at best, a fringe playoff team. We can quote Denny Green and say ‘they are who we thought they were’, but most of us would have been pleased as punch with an 8-8 or 9-7 season especially if we’d been told that Denver would be in the playoff hunt all year.
Denver has a slim (okay, VERY slim, svelt, flaco, skinny) chance at the playoffs this year. Let’s see what the players who the coach percieves to really WANT to be in Denver can do in a (mostly) meaningless game agains a decidely inferior opponent.
I, for one, am dying to see Brandon Lloyd show us the Ringling Bros. catches he showed in past years. Who knows, maybe the Sports Guy’s Ewing theory will manifest it’s self in Cutler & Marshall’s exits. Maybe Eddie Royal and Richard Quinn become stars, who knows. But we have to see what these guys have going forward. I’d bet that guys like Dawkins and Champ are SO not surprised at Marshall & Scheff’s benching.
Keep your nose to the grindstone, coach! Good things happen when you do THE RIGHT THING for your team. The truth hurts.
GO BRONCOS!
by super7 on Jan 1, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions 5 recs
You, know, super7
I often get about 1/2 way through one of your comments and then know who it is without looking – it’s nicely thought out, well phrased, intellectual without being stuffy and a lot of fun to read. Nice to see you post again. I really enjoyed the comment, by the way – well said.
Moreno/Buckhalter in '09
being positive
and honest is worth its weight in gold on here. rec’d
"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.
by Jay Fin Anderson on Jan 1, 2010 11:03 PM MST up reply actions
hmm... very... intellectual.
what about the McDaniels Dream? is anyone enamored of that? or is it just the people we disagree with that are enamored of dreams?
Th reason it is more acceptable
to support the coach than the players in any given disagreement is that the coach is the impetus of vision within the organization. He must have an internal picture of his ideal team, and we must trust him to attempt to realize that ideal. By supporting the players vs. the coach, one is pushing for a dichotomy of ideas that is unlikely to lead to positive results. One player does not a winning team make. One coach CAN make a difference, if he doesn’t allow fans or players to taint his attempts to actualize a pure visionary goal.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Jan 2, 2010 9:37 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Denver-living Seahawk fan and occasional viewer moseying in to read about your WR/TE issues...
This is a fascinating take, and I certainly see parallels in the Seahawks offseason movements the last 2-3 years in it.
Well said and good effort. Rec’d from a rival.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 1, 2010 8:51 PM MST up reply actions
What's up whiskey...
for what it’s worth, I wish the seahawks stayed in the AFC West and the dolts should have been shipped off to the nethers of the NFC.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
Appreciate that.
I miss the AFC West rivalries, grew up hating your boys and dem raiders.
And Deron Cherry. He used to just KILL us… and several years in, I still don’t have any real animosity toward AZ or StL, but Niner fans can get on a guy’s nerves pretty easily. Must be a Bay area thing.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 1, 2010 9:02 PM MST up reply actions
ahaha I know exactly what you mean
I used to live in raider/niner country and those people are obnoxious.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
I still live in Niner country
and still find their fans obnoxious, even with the losing seasons (or maybe even more so due to that), and have had Niner fans be obnoxious to me for being a Broncos fan for no reasons I could fathom. Like, they beat up on Denver in our one super bowl matchup and we’re not in the same division so I don’t get it.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Excellent Post Doug
I loved Scheffler and Marshall as players. But I am a Broncos fan, first and foremost. Long after those 2 guys are gone I will be rooting for the Broncos.
I liked the playoffs and Super Bowls, not stats.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
So, uh, living in Dallas....
I don’t hear nearly as much stuff, but I have a question:
Was this team an even bigger disaster than anyone thought it was?
I am just sick to my stomach right now.
by quinnsdad on Jan 1, 2010 1:37 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
no...
the team isn’t as bad as you think it is. This is largely a knee-jerk reaction to something that isn’t really that big of a deal to begin with…
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
by Joe Medina on Jan 1, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
i think what this shows
is that team until this year, became much worse than we thought.
the new staff and culture is bringing it to the surface.
"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.
by Jay Fin Anderson on Jan 1, 2010 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
We are having to face, hopefully for the last time
The Prima Donna syndrome created in the last 5 years.
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
Someone posted this on PFT comments and it made me laugh
I wanted to share, but not sure if it belongs in a fanpost or somewhere instead. Anyway, here it is:
“the way this day is going in Denver i will check PFT later to see if Peyton Hillis has been busted for speeding while eating pizza in a pick up truck filled with hookers & cocaine…”
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Take it McD!
Ship these sniffling panty-waste players out of town…
talent is wasted on these children…
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Jan 1, 2010 1:55 PM MST reply actions
Walter
Well said. Totally agree. (I’d have done this as a reply, but when I hit the reply button, it just bumps me to the top of the page.) Anyway, I hope they have played their last game in blue and orange, whether we make the playoffs or not. I don’t suffer fools gladly, and neither does McD.
War is behavior with its roots in the primal sea - eat whatever you touch, or it will eat you. John Fowles
I say, get started with another eventful and productive off-season
There is a bigger picture here that McD and Xanders have in mind. If I’ve learned anything at all about McD, its that he’s going to make the tough decisions that need to be made- lets get on with it…
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Jan 1, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
and I love that about McD- he's got balls.
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Jan 1, 2010 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
I still think he should keep Marshall next year
just to prove a point—again. You don’t whine your way out of this town.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
yeah, maybe you do though...
McD is drawing the line in the sand early- if you don’t want to be here, then leave….
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Jan 1, 2010 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
I do tend to like this idea though- but is there ever any way to really prove a point to Marshall?
He’s too dumb and selfish to get it I think.
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Jan 1, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to Marshall
This is a point to anyone who would like to follow his script.
well
At this point I have to say that McDaniels has earned my trust more than Scheffler has. Nothing against Scheffler… I might have doubted McDaniels more at the beginning of the season.
Any chance McD featured Marshall so much
the last few weeks to help boost his trade potential. He may have been planning to get rid of him all along, and this injury just sped things up? Just a thought.
Heard this
MCD wanted 2 get Matt Cassel from NE, he got Gaffney from NE… Cutler is gone, and Gaffney will be the #1 WR Sunday… Probably means nothing
Marshall is a ME first guy.
This is all you need to read to know what kind of player Marshall is:
“Every game I go out there playing to give it my all because of trying to achieve my goals. For me not to be out there probably hurts me more than anybody else. I have a lot of things that I want to achieve, a lot of things that I want to do, and it’s not just for this game. It’s every game that I’ve played in this year.”
What about the TEAMS GOALS Mr. Marshall!
I Read Daniel Graham's Quote
and it appears he was angry with Marshall as well. Let’s be honest, Graham, Eddie Royal (please play Eddie, you’re my favorite Bronco!), Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney and Brandon Stokley are all solid veterans whose credentials and integrity speak for themselves. I am a big Tony Scheffler guy, I feel about him the way many of you do about Hillis (or at least I did). There is still plenty of talent out here to beat the Chiefs. Need I remind everyone the Steelers (who suck without Polamalu) have to beat a pretty good Dolphins team to qualify for the playoffs and the Jets, coached by clueless Rex Ryan, have to beat the Bengals. Let’s take care of business, buy into the TEAM concept and try to procure a playoff berth. I believe perpetually in my Broncos, especially in times of adversity.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2010 3:30 PM MST reply actions
OK, if that's what we got, then...
What can the team get for these guys? No sense wringing your hands. What can the team get in return? They have to deal with the cards they’re dealt. You have the option to bemoan the loss, or you can get excited at what trades and prospects might bring.
What was Daniel Graham's Quote???
Can someone please post it or steer me in the right direction. Thanks.
@rdolgoff
I read it on some other thread, I think that this Klis fellow interviewed him and Graham said that it was frustrating how Marshall didn’t have the fire his other teammates did, something to that effect.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jan 1, 2010 4:02 PM MST reply actions
Raelly.....DAMN!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
The Arizona-Denver connection
last season, i vaguely recall Arizona threatened to bench anyone for the playoffs (superstars to benchwarmers) dogging it in the final game. Arizona went to the superbowl..
this is a good move. not saying this means we will go to the superbowl, just that the bar won’t raise itself.
"I just looked across the huddle to see the guys in the huddle with me: great offensive line, great talent at wide receiver, great tight ends, great running backs. If we execute and play the way that we should, it should be tough to stop us."
-K.O.
by Jay Fin Anderson on Jan 1, 2010 5:04 PM MST reply actions
I'm beginning to smell a 2006 draft class thing going on.
Good Lord I hope Doom isn’t next to “go bad”
The only thing that will save Doom is himself
and his growing sacks count. I wonder if McD will accuse him of being selfish if he goes after more sacks.
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Question:
Forgive me if this has already been addressed elsewhere, but what kind of value do you guys think Denver can get for Marshall and Scheffler now via trade? I would hope it’s more than just draft picks, I’d like to see value for value. Maybe even package both of them for a quality D lineman or linebacker?
It can’t be soon enough in my opinion. I’m tired of these guys and all of their problems whether attitude or legal.
by Gristle McThornbody on Jan 1, 2010 6:34 PM MST reply actions
Looking around the league I see one excellent fit--
Baltimore. They are an old team defensively and solid offensively but need WR help in the worst possible way. If it took a playoff level (20’s— back half of first round) pick for a proven WR1, I don’t see how they don’t make that move. Of course, I’m sure being able to lock Marshall up multi-year would have a great deal to do with it.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 1, 2010 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
I didn't answer you that well, since you were hoping for more than a pick.
Not sure you can get more though— player for player trades are generally not that common. It would also make sense for McDaniels to draft “his guys” instead of getting vets as he is in the process of rebuilding with a young team, and he would want to impose his will on the construction of the team. That means younger players in my eyes, and guys he and his people have scouted and like.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 1, 2010 8:59 PM MST up reply actions
I hate that this kind of things happen with this team, but
I really enjoyed reading the comment thread! Very interesting takes from everyone at MHR. My take is; I like TScheff as a player (don’t personally know him) but it had been said from the beginning that McD’s offense doesn’t lend well to his skills as a receiving tight end, so the writing had been sort of on the wall from the beginning. I thought they/he had incorporated nicely into the offense, lining up as a WR fairly often. The truth if the matter is that we are going to be better off long term without these guys. I always thought that a guy’s first interview for his next job was the way he left his old one. Tony (via Buss Cook; “turd” is a complement for this steaming heap of…), is NOT interviewing well.
The “new” guys that McD brought in have mostly been good locker room guys. I like this approach. I’d rather miss the playoffs short term; than squeak in with guys that don’t want to be here next year and beyond. It seems to me that Josh have a long term perspective, much further beyond 2009 (emphasis on this being his first year). I do not plan on going anywhere with my support of this team, so I line up with what he is doing. This was only the beginning if building a stong foundation for this teams future. It can’t be completed in less than one season and expected to stand in the future. I look forward to the offseason moves and the years to come.
by RalphW on Jan 2, 2010 6:44 AM MST via mobile reply actions
absolutely.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Jan 2, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions
Both are out Sunday.....WTF!
I hope Eddie Royal is healthy. So I guess the next question is have they both played their last day as a Denver Bronco……..hope not.
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