Let's not romanticize the past

At this very moment, I only want Mr. B to open his checkbook to keep DOOM around. The other guys can take a hike.

After today’s developments, anyway.

Sacks have much more value than people realize. Scheffler’s attitude is strange, because his numbers are not that far away than they were last year.

What I will say is the past three draft classes at least are what I would consider decent, Shanahan and Goodman could spot some talent, the thing that always comes into play is wether you can get the talent to buy in and play up to their abilities.

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Lots of talent, but about 80% of the players selected have questionable character. The only thing I give Shanny credit for is being able to spot talent. Unfortunately for him, that talent has come with a lot of character issues. Funny how lots of other teams don’t run into this same issues nearly as much.

At this point in time, I would say that Mike Shanahan was a glutton for making questionable decisions and now those poor draft decisions are something that McDaniels and his staff have to clean up. No one likes placing blame where it should be. Did Josh McDaniels make some questionable coaching decisions this year? Sure he did. Why should he be put on the cross for it? After all, if it weren’t for Mike Shanahan’s piss poor personnel decisions, none of these problems would be here in the first place.

I think any time a coach picks a player he is taking a crap shoot that that player will succeed in their system and help the team win games. Kinda like Cracker Jacks, you never know what your going to get in every box.

Ask not what the team can do for you…Rather
What can you do for the team…. = }
By the way I voted no, like most above..
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Go Broncos

But I don’t agree with lettin BMarsh go so easily. I say we put the franchise tag on him and then trade him or something. I know not every team wants him, but I bet we can find a team willing to give a first rounder for him and tryin to make him a team player. I just think he’s too talented to let him go with nothing in return

The 2008 class looked good because three late-round guys got PT. Lichtensteiger and JMFW never worked, and the rest (after Clady and Royal) is spare parts. Not that good a draft.

I want to see Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders continue to remold the roster in their image

I agree with this completely, Doug. And I believe that is what’s taking place.

“Plenty of folks pointed to their 2008 draft class and were baffled (to put it mildly) that McDaniels would muscle them out after bringing in such a deep and talented class”

Are you talking about the 2009 NFL draft class when you say “deep and talented”. I hope not and if so, you must be joking or smoking some strong stuff.

Throw up the 2009 draft and we’ll be extremely lucky to get anything as good as 2008. 2009 brought no Clady type. It’s not often you draft a HofF talent.

Moreno, the jewel of the class, has five fumbles and has yet to crack a 1,000 yards. RB is the easiest position for an NFL rookie to make an impact. Well Moreno has long stretches of bad play, he sucks in pass protection, doesn’t look like he has grasped the play book and hit the rookie wall harder than any rookie I ever remember. Is he not watching film, is he lazy with his playbook, is he dumb?

Robert Ayers with his no sacks and 1 tackle per game. Just awesome. His rookie year has been about as impactful as Marcus Thomas’s or Josh Barretts. Thus far, Orton made the Cutler trade, not this guy. He is rarely even talked about by the MSM and for good reason. He is not doing much except getting too much credit at MHR for helping collapse the pocket on passing downs. Haggen deserves to have that starting spot and I don’t see Ayers winning it any time soon based on Ayers play. He looks like a situational role player to me. Kind of like what you’d expect for a 4th or 5th round pick.

Alphonso Smith was brought in to be a play maker. He was a versatile McDaniels kind of guy. Now all he does is ride pine all day long behind Tony Carter and the second Smith is in the game, other teams find him and throw at him with ease and success. A few at MHR were ready to explode with joy because he made one ST tackle against Philly, which meant he had a great game by his low standards. We used a high 2nd round pick on this guy?

McBath had a decent rookie season. I have hopes he turns into a real player next season. He seems to have the ball skills that Smith lacks. Don’t know if he is good enough to beat out R Hill, but should be a battle to watch next preseason.

Quinn got arrested and doesn’t play much except on our disappointing ST. When he does play O, he looks like a one dimensional guy that is years away from being an NFL impact player, if ever. We traded up for this guy? We used a 2nd round pick on this guy?
 
Bruton looks like a decent ST player on another disappointing ST unit. I was hoping he block a kick this year. He let an easy onside kick slip through his fingers. Maybe next season.

Olsen doesn’t play when the only guys ahead of him a jokers Ben Hamilton and Hochstein. That says it all.

McKinley made zero impact his rookie season. He basically injured himself with one of the most inept and hesitant looking kick returns I’ve seen.

Brandstater, who knows? He looked awesome vs 3rd stringers but so did Darius Walker. If we don’t draft a QB, I hope he takes over for Simms as the 2010 backup.

The 7th round pick was cut in preseason.

So I don’t see the 2009 draft as the backbone of the Broncos future and it’s a draft that included TWO of our 2010 draft picks (one being a Top 20 overall pick). Based on year 1 results. This draft gets a C- or D+.

I’d take any one of Shanahan’s last three drafts over this.

Although you didn’t use the word “all”, there are way too many people on this board that oversimplify the position of us that criticisize McD. I always hear we want Shanny back, or we will never like McD, or he will won’t play Shanny’s guys…this is such an oversimplification and blanket statement that it is getting old.

I have a better question, how can you think that a 33 year old first time head coach is above criticism. Is it really a stretch that he can make mistakes….and maybe by the bucket load? Because I crticisize him does not mean I hate him or want Shanny back so lets please stop these tiresome oversimplifications. McD is going to make mistakes, and many of us here will call him out for them. If my daughter makes a mistake, I’ll point those out as well…I promise you it doesn’t mean I hate her.

I do think he has overreacted in many instances and I do think that a seasoned coach may handled these situations better. He is 33, we shouldn’t be surprised, nor am I calling for his head.

I do think it was right to part ways with Shanny.

I do think that McD is not utilizing the players he should. I believe he should use Hillis and Scheffer more. And I do not think he game plans with enough diversity. How many of you McD apologist say it is Royal’s fault he isn’t getting touches on offense? As if he has suddenly forgot to play. I choose to believe he hasn’t forgotten how to play and that Hillis and Sheffler haven’t forgotten to play and that a young coach is making mistakes. It doesn’t mean I hate McD. I don’t even mind that he is the coach….but he has plenty to learn and learn quickly and I will hold him accountable for that.

you give Peyton Manning the likes of Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon, who are good young players, but they don’t miss a beat. This is primarily because of their character. Manning is constantly chewing out Collie but you never see Austin pouting. I think McDaniels realizes that if you can find both character and talent, you greatly increase your chances of winning.

There is no denying the guys talent for a 4th round pick…………………………………..I just wish he wanted to stay.

I watch BMarsh’s “mic’d” up session and Peyton Hillis seems to dislike him. lol

We need to draft a #1WR so BM can assume the #2 “possession” WR role, and Eddie Royal can play in the slot. Eddie has had trouble getting separation and the only thing that could’ve prevented his troubles is more height. Since he doesn’t have that, I welcome the opportunity to see him in that role next year, exclusively.

Of course, BM needs to stay in Denver and the #1 needs to be drafted, for this to be possible.

there’s a solid percentage overall of guys who can play in the NFL; some as role players, some starters and some even better. the issue to me seems to be that apparently these guys don’t fit into mcdaniels’ system. now, what that system is (at least on offense), i’m not quite sure. it doesn’t look amoebic right yet…

anyway, i’m betting that the NFL outside of the Broncos is salivating as they wait for the upcoming fire sale of “bad characters” and “non system players”.